It's time for the circumcision thread!

MrsG1019 · July 2014

We have researched it extensively and decided to circ.

Maelara · July 2014

JMPrice said:

When I worked on the Peds floor we would actually encourage the parents to NOT go back with the baby's so that the baby does not have a negative image of mom/dad with a procedure. We brought the baby straight to parents as soon as we were finished so that mom/dad were the soothers and there were no associations with the parent and pain. And with the thousands of procedures my daughter with SN has had we've always followed this, and she calmed much much quicker.
I disagree with this. We are there for her shots to soothe her and it's the same thing. Negative associations with pain? Ridiculous.

Right. Lets go with what you THINK over someone that actually has experience with it. Makes ridiculous sense.

Maelara · July 2014

ColeyCannoli said:

I don't get the cleanliness argument. Wash what you see. I've washed both and it's not exactly rocket science. The circumcised kids look weird to me because they are scarred and the tip is all rough when it should be smooth. I will not being doing it because I honestly don't get it. None of the men in my family or DH's are and nothing has happened to them to make it seem necessary. I always thought it was just a religious thing. I'm sure it doesn't hurt them or anything but cutting off some of my baby's skin is just confusing to me. (Seems like a white American thing)

It started as a religious thing. I'm pretty sure it stems from being I'm the desert and it was a cleanliness issue all that long ago.

Also, I don't understand why you had to bring race into this. I'm white and if I was a boy my mom was very against circumcising. Even looking at the pictures on here you can plainly see we are all mixed races and some would some wouldn't circumcise. Bringing race into this is unnecessary.

Maelara · July 2014

KUinCBUS said:

ColeyCannoli said:

I don't get the cleanliness argument. Wash what you see. I've washed both and it's not exactly rocket science. The circumcised kids look weird to me because they are scarred and the tip is all rough when it should be smooth. I will not being doing it because I honestly don't get it. None of the men in my family or DH's are and nothing has happened to them to make it seem necessary. I always thought it was just a religious thing. I'm sure it doesn't hurt them or anything but cutting off some of my baby's skin is just confusing to me. (Seems like a white American thing)

It started as a religious thing. I'm pretty sure it stems from being I'm the desert and it was a cleanliness issue all that long ago.

Also, I don't understand why you had to bring race into this. I'm white and if I was a boy my mom was very against circumcising. Even looking at the pictures on here you can plainly see we are all mixed races and some would some wouldn't circumcise. Bringing race into this is unnecessary.
----quote fail--- +1 @Maelara‌ Also, I'll just toss out there that Muslims are the single largest religious group to circumcise. So it's really not exclusively "a white American" thing. ETA: An interesting read: https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/islamethics/malecircumcision.shtml

Thanks for that info! I would also like to add, to the poster that started this tree, I'm Canadian. So no, it's not a white American thing.

runningmama14 · July 2014

ColeyCannoli said:

I don't get the cleanliness argument. Wash what you see. I've washed both and it's not exactly rocket science. The circumcised kids look weird to me because they are scarred and the tip is all rough when it should be smooth. I will not being doing it because I honestly don't get it. None of the men in my family or DH's are and nothing has happened to them to make it seem necessary. I always thought it was just a religious thing. I'm sure it doesn't hurt them or anything but cutting off some of my baby's skin is just confusing to me. (Seems like a white American thing)

Seems like a very uninformed thing to say.

runningmama14 · July 2014

lisaren said:

When I worked on the Peds floor we would actually encourage the parents to NOT go back with the baby's so that the baby does not have a negative image of mom/dad with a procedure. We brought the baby straight to parents as soon as we were finished so that mom/dad were the soothers and there were no associations with the parent and pain. And with the thousands of procedures my daughter with SN has had we've always followed this, and she calmed much much quicker.
I disagree with this. We are there for her shots to soothe her and it's the same thing. Negative associations with pain? Ridiculous.
Ok, years of witnessing this along with countless physicians and my own daughter who has had one too many procedures to count all proves ridiculous. And soothing during a shot and soothing during a spinal tap... Not the same thing. But ok

@JMPrice - No need to just flippantly write off something that someone loads of experience on the topic shares. Feel free to share your own thoughts and experiences and disagree, by all means, but no need to be like that.

I would also add that IMO, some parents are probably very distressed to witness procedures and that babies and children sense that stress and feed off of it. If they know you are stressed, all the more reason for them to be stressed and upset.

Maelara · July 2014

lissydee said:

in the U.S., whites/Caucasians are the largest group who circumcise, which is where I am assuming that comment came from.

ETA: reference

https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(14)00036-6/fulltext

Race/ethnicity Prevalence (% [95% CI]) Change (%)
1999-2004 2005-2010
Overall 79 (77-80) 80.5 (78.4-82.5) +2.5
Non-Hispanic white 88 (87-90) 90.8 (89.1-92.6) +3.4
Non-Hispanic black 73 (69-77) 75.7 (72.0-79.4) +4.1
Mexican American 42 (43-57) 44.0 (41.0-46.9) +4.8
aNote that data for 1999 to 2004 were published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as whole numbers,² whereas data for 2005 to 2010 were published to 1 decimal point.¹

https://www.childtrends.org/?indicators=infant-male-circumcision

https://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0000861

That's all fine and dandy. You come on here and actually present the info in an intelligent way and back yourself up. Which is fantastic, I respect that and wouldnt have questioned or commented if your post was the original one. That other comment was a blanket comment and it was rude and unnecessary. We are a group of diverse and awesome women. The fact that I'm white plays no role in whether I choose to circumcise or not, my husbands past experience with it does.

FirstBabyDoyle · July 2014

Well hot damn! I'd better circumcise my white son.. I'd hate for him to be in the minority and since it's the "white American thing" to do.. Eyeroll. It's a personal decision and making a blanket statement about how it's just a white American thing is fucking ignorant. I do like reading stats @lissydee and like @maelara said if OP had been more informed in her post it wouldn't be so offensive.

FirstBabyDoyle · July 2014

JMPrice said:

Maelara said:

JMPrice said:

lisaren said:
When I worked on the Peds floor we would actually encourage the parents to NOT go back with the baby's so that the baby does not have a negative image of mom/dad with a procedure. We brought the baby straight to parents as soon as we were finished so that mom/dad were the soothers and there were no associations with the parent and pain.

And with the thousands of procedures my daughter with SN has had we've always followed this, and she calmed much much quicker.
I disagree with this. We are there for her shots to soothe her and it's the same thing. Negative associations with pain? Ridiculous.

Right. Lets go with what you THINK over someone that actually has experience with it. Makes ridiculous sense.

I don't give two shits what you go with. My DH is a well trained medical professional and I'm listening to him and my OB MD who recommended to be with DS during the procedure. I'm not listening to some mommy or CNA or LPN who thinks they know better.

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Hold up. No one asked you to alter your plans. They gave personal experiences and expertise. That response was just rude and uncalled for. This board is for shared experiences and advice. There are ways to disagree and add your 2 cents without coming off like a total B.

runningmama14 · July 2014

@JMPrice‌ - as stated previously, no reason to be insulting and offensive. Feel free to share your differing opinions.

There are two ways to have a discussion with someone who disagrees with you. 1) be an offensive asshole and alienate others and not actually invite any intelligent dialog to the matter. 2) respectfully state your opinion and reasons for how you feel and allow to others do the same.

No question as to which option you have chosen. Thankfully most women on this thread choose option 2.

lisaren · July 2014

JMPrice said:

Maelara said:

JMPrice said:

lisaren said:
When I worked on the Peds floor we would actually encourage the parents to NOT go back with the baby's so that the baby does not have a negative image of mom/dad with a procedure. We brought the baby straight to parents as soon as we were finished so that mom/dad were the soothers and there were no associations with the parent and pain.

And with the thousands of procedures my daughter with SN has had we've always followed this, and she calmed much much quicker.
I disagree with this. We are there for her shots to soothe her and it's the same thing. Negative associations with pain? Ridiculous.

Right. Lets go with what you THINK over someone that actually has experience with it. Makes ridiculous sense.

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I don't give two shits what you go with. My DH is a well trained medical professional and I'm listening to him and my OB MD who recommended to be with DS during the procedure. I'm not listening to some mommy or CNA or LPN who thinks they know better.

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How do you know what degrees any of us hold???

You're a peach.

runningmama14 · July 2014

lisaren said:

JMPrice said:

Maelara said:

JMPrice said:

lisaren said:
When I worked on the Peds floor we would actually encourage the parents to NOT go back with the baby's so that the baby does not have a negative image of mom/dad with a procedure. We brought the baby straight to parents as soon as we were finished so that mom/dad were the soothers and there were no associations with the parent and pain.

And with the thousands of procedures my daughter with SN has had we've always followed this, and she calmed much much quicker.
I disagree with this. We are there for her shots to soothe her and it's the same thing. Negative associations with pain? Ridiculous.

Right. Lets go with what you THINK over someone that actually has experience with it. Makes ridiculous sense.
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I don't give two shits what you go with. My DH is a well trained medical professional and I'm listening to him and my OB MD who recommended to be with DS during the procedure. I'm not listening to some mommy or CNA or LPN who thinks they know better.

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How do you know what degrees any of us hold???

You're a peach.

Or is it peesh?

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MrsG1019 · July 2014

KUinCBUS said:

JMPrice said:

Maelara said:

JMPrice said:

lisaren said:
When I worked on the Peds floor we would actually encourage the parents to NOT go back with the baby's so that the baby does not have a negative image of mom/dad with a procedure. We brought the baby straight to parents as soon as we were finished so that mom/dad were the soothers and there were no associations with the parent and pain.

And with the thousands of procedures my daughter with SN has had we've always followed this, and she calmed much much quicker.
I disagree with this. We are there for her shots to soothe her and it's the same thing. Negative associations with pain? Ridiculous.

Right. Lets go with what you THINK over someone that actually has experience with it. Makes ridiculous sense.
I don't give two shits what you go with. My DH is a well trained medical professional and I'm listening to him and my OB MD who recommended to be with DS during the procedure. I'm not listening to some mommy or CNA or LPN who thinks they know better.

This.

brooklyngirl18 · July 2014

JMPrice said:

JMPrice said:

When I worked on the Peds floor we would actually encourage the parents to NOT go back with the baby's so that the baby does not have a negative image of mom/dad with a procedure. We brought the baby straight to parents as soon as we were finished so that mom/dad were the soothers and there were no associations with the parent and pain. And with the thousands of procedures my daughter with SN has had we've always followed this, and she calmed much much quicker.
I disagree with this. We are there for her shots to soothe her and it's the same thing. Negative associations with pain? Ridiculous.

Right. Lets go with what you THINK over someone that actually has experience with it. Makes ridiculous sense.
I don't give two shits what you go with. My DH is a well trained medical professional and I'm listening to him and my OB MD who recommended to be with DS during the procedure. I'm not listening to some mommy or CNA or LPN who thinks they know better.

1. who are you?

2. your rude and inappropriate comments aren't welcome here.

3. learn how to have an educated discussion.

lisaren · July 2014

But guise, her husband is a nurse practitioner!!!!!!

silverwings72 · July 2014

@JMPrice‌ - frankly, I don't think anyone really cares what you decide to do with your son's penis. @lisaren‌ was just sharing her experience with the group- that's how we roll here.

Maelara · July 2014

JMPrice said:

JMPrice said:

When I worked on the Peds floor we would actually encourage the parents to NOT go back with the baby's so that the baby does not have a negative image of mom/dad with a procedure. We brought the baby straight to parents as soon as we were finished so that mom/dad were the soothers and there were no associations with the parent and pain. And with the thousands of procedures my daughter with SN has had we've always followed this, and she calmed much much quicker.
I disagree with this. We are there for her shots to soothe her and it's the same thing. Negative associations with pain? Ridiculous.

Right. Lets go with what you THINK over someone that actually has experience with it. Makes ridiculous sense.
I don't give two shits what you go with. My DH is a well trained medical professional and I'm listening to him and my OB MD who recommended to be with DS during the procedure. I'm not listening to some mommy or CNA or LPN who thinks they know better.

Aw! I go to costco to get my daughter milk for the week and I miss this gem!

Lady, I don't recognize you so anything you say to me I'm going to take with a grain of salt. I don't actually know if your husband is who you say he is. I do, however, know who @lisaren is and I talk to her daily on and off of here. I know what she has had to deal with in regards to her daughter and frankly, you have no clue. So Im going to take her advice over yours

ok? Ok!! Now, lets get back to our regularly scheduled snark instead of rude and unnecessary bullshit.

tamarnina · July 2014

We're Jewish, so it has never been a question for us. That said, I probably would not do it if we were not. For our older son we used a mohel who is also a doctor, and he was great. I hope he's still in business if this one turns out to be a boy.

lisaren · July 2014

JMPrice said:
Well, you are all welcome to read peer reviewed medical journals and form your own opinion. Most don't and listen to the mommy blogs or their "gut" that is actually not based on medical science.
Most doctors discourage parents to be there not because of any ridiculous notion that the infant will associate the parent with pain, but because it's distressing for the parent.
But if you'd like to flame me for supporting science and facts, flame away. I don't care if you take my opinion or not.

I have read. I've worked with. And I have personal experience.

There is evidence that shows the child can associate pain with parent just as parent can become overwhelmed.

And lovebug, you're the one who came into this thread with an attitude

Maelara · July 2014

JMPrice said:

Well, you are all welcome to read peer reviewed medical journals and form your own opinion. Most don't and listen to the mommy blogs or their "gut" that is actually not based on medical science. Most doctors discourage parents to be there not because of any ridiculous notion that the infant will associate the parent with pain, but because it's distressing for the parent. But if you'd like to flame me for supporting science and facts, flame away. I don't care if you take my opinion or not.

Lol! I think you are the one that needs to learn to read. Nobody is arguing science with you! All of your science has nothing to do with whether or not the parent should be there, your links were whether or not you should circumcise. Then when medical professionals disagree with you, you go all crazy. It's just FINE if you and your DH have made the decision for one of you to be there, however, I feel the need to point out that has more to do with 'gut' than it does science. Also, you will learn quickly as a parent, a lot of your decisions (Im talking day to day ones) will be from your 'gut' and instinctual. Welcome to parenthood!

silverwings72 · July 2014

JMPrice said:

silverwings72 said:
@JMPrice‌ - frankly, I don't think anyone really cares what you decide to do with your son's penis. @lisaren‌ was just sharing her experience with the group- that's how we roll here.
You do realize this is a circ thread? Reading is hard.

Nah. Reading is only hard when people are rude, condescending, and straight up bitchy. Again, I don't think we care what you do with your kid's penis. We do care that you treat the women in here (ahem, our mod in particular!) with respect.

Kristy774 · July 2014

JMPrice said:

silverwings72 said:
@JMPrice‌ - frankly, I don't think anyone really cares what you decide to do with your son's penis. @lisaren‌ was just sharing her experience with the group- that's how we roll here.
You do realize this is a circ thread? Reading is hard.

No one really cares what YOU have to say about circumcision. We want to hear what everyone had to say on it.

Figuring out when your not welcome is hard.

Maelara · July 2014

JMPrice said:

I'm not sure who's "going all crazy" here? Was it because I said shit in a post? Haha, really? You really should get used to people disagreeing with you. I never said anything remotely close to infants don't feel pain or that I was defending my position on the subject. And the only welcomed opinions were either anti-circ or with no mention of medical/scientific basis (which is totally fine).
And no one should take any of our opinions and form what they're going to do based upon it or just "go with your gut". Honestly, there are so many parenting books and research written every year. Read it and make a formed, educated decision. Don't just go with what your parents did or what some mommy did because you like her. How are we to advance as a society? Here's some links for those that would like to read them and form their own opinions. And if support of medical facts and science are so unwelcomed here, you are more than welcomed to ignore them. Unlike you, I fully support everyone to have their own opinions, whether I agree with them or not.
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From the CDC, a list of medical conditions prevented by circ.
"A large, retrospective study of circumcision in nearly 15,000 infants found neonatal circumcision to be highly cost-effective, considering the estimated number of averted cases of infant urinary tract infection and lifetime incidence of HIV infection, penile cancer, balanoposthitis (inflammation of the foreskin and glans), and phimosis (a condition where the male foreskin cannot be fully retracted from the head of the penis). The cost of postneonatal circumcision was 10-fold the cost of neonatal circumcision63. There are also studies showing very marginal cost-effectiveness."
From <https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/prevention/research/malecircumcision/>
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American Society for Pain Mgt Nursing (July 2011) recommending pain management for circumcised infants
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CEwQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aspmn.org%2Forganization%2Fdocuments%2Fcircumcision.pdf&ei=I9HDU6iECoqYyASVqIGgDg&usg=AFQjCNHYlo3hQI0JG-Jzj2SHZLhPOGJ3Qg&sig2=Qb5-sr6DjEJHcZTQLOf6oA
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From a study posted by the NIH, infants negatively associated pain with their parents when their parents were praising them through the procedure; they positively associated with parental distraction or reassurance. Recommendation was to modify parental behavior (to have them praise) - nothing recommended about parents NOT being present.
OBJECTIVE:
To examine the association of parent behavior with infant distress during a potentially painful medical procedure.
RESULTS:
Infants cried 58% of procedure duration. Parent reassuring occurred 34% of procedure duration, and parent distracting occurred 37% of procedure duration. Infant distress was positively related to parent reassuring and negatively related to parent praising. Parent chronic pain was related to increased parent distracting but not to parent reassuring.
CONCLUSION:
Parent behavior rather than psychological traits is related to increased venipuncture distress in young infants. This finding suggests that the focus should be on interventions based on behavior modification.
From <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19751087>

Holy crap, you just don't get it! Seriously, pull your head out of your ass. Most of the women here have done the research in regards to circumcision. They know all those fact. Part of being a parent is gathering the facts and then making a decision based on those facts. Just because people make different decisions than you doesn't make them 'unsupportive of medical facts' and a hater of science, that's ridiculous. That last article is about behaviour while being present, not about being present vs not. It's nice you're educating yourself on how you and your DH should behave while there but FTR, it's a parents natural instinct to reassure when their child is in pain. ETA - for the record, I'm pro-circ

Maelara · July 2014

lissydee said:

is anyone else under the impression that JMPrice was scrambling around all weekend to find the perfect examples to site to back up her position>

Look lady, no one was trying to argue with you about the research in favor of circumcision. Further, no one was really even arguing about the benefits of parents attending their child through painful procedures. What people had issue with was your delivery. You are arrogant, condescending and obviously think of yourself as above the rest of us "minions" here becuase you totes have a super educated husband because he is a nurse practicioner!

You need to get the fuck over yourself.

Love tit X 1 million!

krgriffin26 · July 2014

I'm just gonna leave these here.

lizgrace03 · July 2014

JMPrice said:

I'm not sure who's "going all crazy" here? Was it because I said shit in a post? Haha, really? You really should get used to people disagreeing with you. I never said anything remotely close to infants don't feel pain or that I was defending my position on the subject. And the only welcomed opinions were either anti-circ or with no mention of medical/scientific basis (which is totally fine).
And no one should take any of our opinions and form what they're going to do based upon it or just "go with your gut". Honestly, there are so many parenting books and research written every year. Read it and make a formed, educated decision. Don't just go with what your parents did or what some mommy did because you like her. How are we to advance as a society? Here's some links for those that would like to read them and form their own opinions.

I think you meant "an informed"? Why don't you proofread your own writing before you go bitchily correcting others' grammar?

missnacholover · July 2014

Well then.

I'm surprised so many folks are discussing this with family members. I feel like this is one of those things that DH and I are to decide on our own. I don't really want to talk about my kid's genitals with my parents or ILs.

In fact, DH and my mom had "words" last year about this. My mother was discussing her BFF's daughter's new baby and made a comment abut how they weren't circumcising him and DH was like, "WHOA, please don't talk about our future kid's genitals with people..."

Anyway, that being said, we are team circ.

abbyful · July 2014

About penile cancer, from the American Cancer Society: "Penile cancer is very rare in North America and Europe. Penile cancer occurs in less than 1 man in 100,000 and accounts for less than 1% of cancers in men in the United States."

Compare that with 1 in 8 women will get breast cancer. We don't do double-mastectomies on newborn girls.

lisaren · July 2014

missnacholover said:
Well then.

I'm surprised so many folks are discussing this with family members. I feel like this is one of those things that DH and I are to decide on our own. I don't really want to talk about my kid's genitals with my parents or ILs.

In fact, DH and my mom had "words" last year about this. My mother was discussing her BFF's daughter's new baby and made a comment abut how they weren't circumcising him and DH was like, "WHOA, please don't talk about our future kid's genitals with people..."

Anyway, that being said, we are team circ.

Does this mean baby nacho is a boy

Maelara · July 2014

abbyful said:

About penile cancer, from the American Cancer Society: "Penile cancer is very rare in North America and Europe. Penile cancer occurs in less than 1 man in 100,000 and accounts for less than 1% of cancers in men in the United States." Compare that with 1 in 8 women will get breast cancer. We don't do double-mastectomies on newborn girls.

While I totally agree with this and @lissydees research stating about circumcising having only a small or no health benefit, I can't get behind this comparison. The only way it would be simliar is if we were talking about cutting off entire organs for both sexes. Cutting off a piece of skin does not equal cutting off two breasts. If you were talking about cutting off the penis then I'd see that comparison.

Maelara · July 2014

lisaren said:

Well then.

I'm surprised so many folks are discussing this with family members. I feel like this is one of those things that DH and I are to decide on our own. I don't really want to talk about my kid's genitals with my parents or ILs.

In fact, DH and my mom had "words" last year about this. My mother was discussing her BFF's daughter's new baby and made a comment abut how they weren't circumcising him and DH was like, "WHOA, please don't talk about our future kid's genitals with people..."

Anyway, that being said, we are team circ.
Does this mean baby nacho is a boy

!!!! What was the heart beat anyway?

lizgrace03 · July 2014

JMPrice said:

lizgrace03 said:

JMPrice said:

I'm not sure who's "going all crazy" here? Was it because I said shit in a post? Haha, really? You really should get used to people disagreeing with you. I never said anything remotely close to infants don't feel pain or that I was defending my position on the subject. And the only welcomed opinions were either anti-circ or with no mention of medical/scientific basis (which is totally fine).
And no one should take any of our opinions and form what they're going to do based upon it or just "go with your gut". Honestly, there are so many parenting books and research written every year. Read it and make a formed, educated decision. Don't just go with what your parents did or what some mommy did because you like her. How are we to advance as a society? Here's some links for those that would like to read them and form their own opinions.

I think you meant "an informed"? Why don't you proofread your own writing before you go bitchily correcting others' grammar?

Touche. Actually I mean "a fully formed, educated decision." But thank you for bitchily correcting my grammar.

I wasn't trying to be bitchy about it, just pointing out that if you are going to correct someone else's grammar, which was likely a typo, you should also proofread your own writing! You certainly aren't trying to make friends here from what I can see. It's too bad. It's a nice group of women.

Maelara · July 2014

lissydee said:

abbyful said:

About penile cancer, from the American Cancer Society: "Penile cancer is very rare in North America and Europe. Penile cancer occurs in less than 1 man in 100,000 and accounts for less than 1% of cancers in men in the United States." Compare that with 1 in 8 women will get breast cancer. We don't do double-mastectomies on newborn girls.

While I totally agree with this and @lissydees research stating about circumcising having only a small or no health benefit, I can't get behind this comparison. The only way it would be simliar is if we were talking about cutting off entire organs for both sexes. Cutting off a piece of skin does not equal cutting off two breasts. If you were talking about cutting off the penis then I'd see that comparison.
--------- The cutting off the foreskin is the cutting off of a functional organ. It's has it's purpose, otherwise why else would all males be born with it?

I'm not saying it doesn't have a purpose. I'm saying it's part of an organ, not the entire organ itself. It's like saying we are are cutting off the nipple. It has a purpose and isn't the entire organ.

Maelara · July 2014

I would also like to add, we are team pro-circ because my opinion on it isn't strong enough to out weigh my husbands bad experience. It was a discussion we had before we even moved in together. He feels that strongly about it. If I was making the decision, we would not be circumcising any sons we have. I'm also in the camp of keeping them intact. They were born with it, why modify it.

Maelara · July 2014

lissydee said:

Maelara said:

lissydee said:

abbyful said:

About penile cancer, from the American Cancer Society: "Penile cancer is very rare in North America and Europe. Penile cancer occurs in less than 1 man in 100,000 and accounts for less than 1% of cancers in men in the United States." Compare that with 1 in 8 women will get breast cancer. We don't do double-mastectomies on newborn girls.

While I totally agree with this and @lissydees research stating about circumcising having only a small or no health benefit, I can't get behind this comparison. The only way it would be simliar is if we were talking about cutting off entire organs for both sexes. Cutting off a piece of skin does not equal cutting off two breasts. If you were talking about cutting off the penis then I'd see that comparison.
--------- The cutting off the foreskin is the cutting off of a functional organ. It's has it's purpose, otherwise why else would all males be born with it?

I'm not saying it doesn't have a purpose. I'm saying it's part of an organ, not the entire organ itself. It's like saying we are are cutting off the nipple. It has a purpose and isn't the entire organ.

it is its own organ. The definition of organ is something in which has a specific, defined function. The prepuce has just that.

ETA: words.

Because of the type of person I am, and I don't just go with my 'gut '

I looked it up. You're right, medically it is considered it's own organ.

Maelara · July 2014

@lissydee I should have known not to argue with a nurse

missnacholover · July 2014

lisaren said:

Well then.

I'm surprised so many folks are discussing this with family members. I feel like this is one of those things that DH and I are to decide on our own. I don't really want to talk about my kid's genitals with my parents or ILs.

In fact, DH and my mom had "words" last year about this. My mother was discussing her BFF's daughter's new baby and made a comment abut how they weren't circumcising him and DH was like, "WHOA, please don't talk about our future kid's genitals with people..."

Anyway, that being said, we are team circ.
Does this mean baby nacho is a boy

Hey I'm just saying what circumcision team we play for.

Could be for baby nacho or for baby nacho's future brother, baby taquito.

HR was "in the 140s" at my last appt.

Maelara · July 2014

missnacholover said:

lisaren said:

Well then.

I'm surprised so many folks are discussing this with family members. I feel like this is one of those things that DH and I are to decide on our own. I don't really want to talk about my kid's genitals with my parents or ILs.

In fact, DH and my mom had "words" last year about this. My mother was discussing her BFF's daughter's new baby and made a comment abut how they weren't circumcising him and DH was like, "WHOA, please don't talk about our future kid's genitals with people..."

Anyway, that being said, we are team circ.
Does this mean baby nacho is a boy

Hey I'm just saying what circumcision team we play for. Could be for baby nacho or for baby nacho's future brother, baby taquito.

HR was "in the 140s" at my last appt.

Hmm very interesting...

krgriffin26 · July 2014

lissydee said:

Maelara said:

@lissydee I should have known not to argue with a nurse

you can argue with me all you want! I just like discussing such things because a) I am a research junkie by nature and also by trade as I have my Masters in Nursing, focusing on research and quality improvement and b) love all things birth and breast feeding related (I'll throw circ's here too because while I do have a strong opinion on it, I also have first hand knowledge since I actually assist in the procedure).

so eat that JMPrice! :P

I have learned so much today lol You both crack me up on here. Gotta love a good debate with true facts that aren't shoved down each others throats

MrsG1019 · July 2014

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