Once again, this tends to be more the exception to the rule versus the rule. That is why we have safety nets for those that do fall on hard times even if they are temporary.
I have just met way too many that were on the other end where they would do just the bare minimum to keep all of their government aid. I try my best not to judge especially if it looks like they are trying but sometimes it is really hard.
Once again, this tends to be more the exception to the rule versus the rule. That is why we have safety nets for those that do fall on hard times even if they are temporary.
I have just met way too many that were on the other end where they would do just the bare minimum to keep all of their government aid. I try my best not to judge especially if it looks like they are trying but sometimes it is really hard.
What does someone who's "trying" look like? They have a beater and a crappy phone? And their nails aren't done? Then they deserve your sympathy?
Harry Styles = Life Ruiner
There’s a lightningin your eyes I can't deny Then there’s me inside a sinkingboat running out of time Without you I'll never make it out alive But I know, yes, I know we’ll be alright
The thought of our good friend @luckydad was basically the only thing that kept me in check. But I admit, the response from the wulf was much less shocking when I realized the demographic.
Meh. Don't let me hold you back.
-My son was born in April 2012. He pretty much rules.
it's not the exception to the rule. you only say that because you assume "normal" look joe shmo on that you interact with everyday, see everyday, and don't think less of them isn't on assistance. people you come in contact with everyday in every which way may be on assistance and going through a tough time. but you don't think "oh, look at that freeloader using my tax dollarz!" because they don't fit whatever welfare queen image that you have in your head.
exception to the rule. getthefuckouttahere with that nonsense.
I've known this writer for years (She even sent me Christmas fudge this year, haha) and I am going to share this with her. She is taking a pretty big beating in some places, so reading more support will help.
Also, she has a great vlog where she attempts pinterest ideas for fail-lol's.
This is the article I was trying to find months ago for this board.
ER, maybe not if they date is today. Weird. I know I have read something very similar before.
it had been posted on her blog before, Tales of an Unlikely Mother, or parentwin.com
I worked a well paying job, drove (drive) luxury cars, have nice diamonds and handbags, and iphones. Hair and Nails done and nice clothes. I lost my job the day I told them I was pregnant, it didn't fall into our strict plans and budget. My pregnancy was rough and I was on bed rest for most of it (14 weeks and on) but was fortunate enough to collect unemployment. It wasn't what I was used to but we made it work by cutting spending, selling things, and keeping baby expenses at bay. My DH owns a construction company, income isn't very consistent and this was as the market was just coming back in our shore town.
At 12 days old my DS was hospitalized and the conclusion was that he had a milk protein allergy as well as a stomach virus he picked up in the ER. They put him on Alimentum formula - I didn't know at the time but it is VERY expensive and being a first time mom I had no clue it was even a possibility. After mourning not being able to breastfeed and my child's medical emergency we were faced with a very real problem - we couldn't afford to feed him. A realization we found out on my first Mother's Day - the day we were released from the hospital in the aisle of Target. After calling my DR in hysterics we were told WIC would cover Alimentum if we qualified.
I was at the office the very next morning with all the paperwork on the website and a Dr's note in hand for the Alimentum. We actually made $25 a month more than what was allowed to qualify - a can of Alimentum was 2x that. I fought and fought and with my Dr's assistance we were given WIC. My Baby could eat.
I tried to sell my BMW but no one was buying so that's what i drove to get my WIC checks, my DH wasn't thrilled at the idea of me selling my engagement ring either (family heirloom) and my Iphone plan at the time wasn't any cheaper than the flip phone (I had paid for the phone when I was still working) I am SURE that I was judged every time I went in the grocery store line or pulled into the WIC office for my qualification meetings. I stopped using WIC the day DS was allowed to go off Alimentum but I have never felt more blessed in my life than being granted that assistance that day. I have to believe as I am in the grocery store and I see the tired mom putting up her month's supply of formula that she is feeling blessed to be able to feed her baby too - and maybe her Iphone, skittles, and ering are more a reminder of failure to her than of cheating the system.
Sorry for the long story but it's something that hits home hard.
Have you all read about the older couple in Tennessee who, after 33 years of marriage, is divorcing. They make too much as a couple to qualify for the government subsidy to buy health insurance and it is too high without it. They are among the 150,000+ in Tennessee who fall in the coverage gap. Tennessee is one of the states not expanding Medicaid.
This is actually my career, and I hate the stigma associated with it. I know so many people who won't come apply for assistance just because they don't want to be judged. I actually love that we have an online process now, so you don't have to actually come to an office. We still have a ton of kinks to work out, but I know it's helping people who would not apply otherwise.
I think the kicker of it is I had always been fortunate enough to never really have to give public assistance or those that get it a second thought. That's why it kills me that most people don't realize that no matter how good their job is, it really only takes one big event to set off the chain reaction of needing assistance. And that's only for the people that aren't in cycle of poverty, for them they never had a chance. The "welfare queen debate" just opens my eyes to how people of fortunate circumstances can be more ignorant than those they judge.
I'm far more concerned about people who need benefits (especially children) not getting them than an occasional person "scamming" the system.
I think about this all the time. For the first 6 months of my separation/divorce I was here. I made "too much money" yet I couldn't pay my bills and get food on my own. I was lucky enough to have friends and family step up, but what if they were not there? I would have lost my house. Then what? I was lucky.
I also work in a hospital so I see many patients with disabilities struggling. It always makes my heart hurt.
This. I'm not single, but we budget to the $ due to daycare costs. I can't qualify for daycare assistance due to making to much, but if I stopped working or worked less to meet the requirements I wouldn't need daycare( if I wasn't working) or wouldn't make enough to pay for other things. So instead we budget and scrape by.
Have you all read about the older couple in Tennessee who, after 33 years of marriage, is divorcing. They make too much as a couple to qualify for the government subsidy to buy health insurance and it is too high without it. They are among the 150,000+ in Tennessee who fall in the coverage gap. Tennessee is one of the states not expanding Medicaid.
But yeah. They aren't trying hard enough.
My BIL and SIL have seriously considered divorce on several occasions for this exact reason. SIL and my nephew have pretty severe health issues.
I could not find work after having E (my old job was not an option as they were not willing to work with me.) H's job barely paid the bills, and we were falling further and further behind every month I wasn't working. If not for WIC we probably would've starved, there were weeks that we were living off of what we got from those coupons every month and not much else. WIC is a GOOD program and no one should be judged for needing help.
Once again, this tends to be more the exception to the rule versus the rule. That is why we have safety nets for those that do fall on hard times even if they are temporary.
I have just met way too many that were on the other end where they would do just the bare minimum to keep all of their government aid. I try my best not to judge especially if it looks like they are trying but sometimes it is really hard.
I am curious as to how/ where you have met "too many" that were on the other end. I do this for a living and it has been my experience that the overwhelming majority do not want to be at DSS and do not want to on assistance. There are those who play the system, but in my profesional experience, they are the exception, not the rule.
It might do you good to research facts on SS/ Medicaid/ Medicare fraud. There is a wealth of legit info out there that can dispel some of your misconceptions.
I can also tell you that when I went to my first WIC appointment, it was the most eye opening and humbling experience of my life. Nobody there was judging anyone else, we were all embarrassingly staring at the ground and when we did make eye contact, it was knowing looks of apology and understanding.
I can also tell you that when I went to my first WIC appointment, it was the most eye opening and humbling experience of my life. Nobody there was judging anyone else, we were all embarrassingly staring at the ground and when we did make eye contact, it was knowing looks of apology and understanding.
My sister was so ashamed that she needed assistance, and she's one of the people that used to judge. I had to kind of bully her into going, because she wasn't producing enough milk, and she couldn't afford formula. Going to the WIC office changed her views a lot.
This is actually my career, and I hate the stigma associated with it. I know so many people who won't come apply for assistance just because they don't want to be judged. I actually love that we have an online process now, so you don't have to actually come to an office. We still have a ton of kinks to work out, but I know it's helping people who would not apply otherwise.
Thats me! Even though we re over income level, I qualify for WIC because I have documented issues with nutrient deficiencies. I havent signed up and I don't know if I will, because they still use paper checks here and I don't want to be judged.
OMG tell the writer to join us!!! We will give her all the love.
Reading the stories in this thread made me cry. This is one the heels of ugly crying to my boss yesterday. You bitches are strong and tough women and this kind of thing can truly happen to anyone.
A whole lotta shit changed from when I got then (for free) and when we went on WIC.
I tried multiple times to sell or give them away but, shocker, no one wanted a crippled horse or an ancient horse when rideable young horses were being abandoned.
We even looked into euthanasia but the vets wouldn't because the horses were healthy, even when I said I was afraid I wouldn't be able to afford to feed them.
This is actually my career, and I hate the stigma associated with it. I know so many people who won't come apply for assistance just because they don't want to be judged. I actually love that we have an online process now, so you don't have to actually come to an office. We still have a ton of kinks to work out, but I know it's helping people who would not apply otherwise.
Thats me! Even though we re over income level, I qualify for WIC because I have documented issues with nutrient deficiencies. I havent signed up and I don't know if I will, because they still use paper checks here and I don't want to be judged.
Do it and screw the judgers! It really is helpful, and who cares what a bunch of jerks think about it! I love our programs and really wish more people applied and qualified. Once you do it, you'll be glad you did, I think.
Right after having my DS I was on Medicaid and ended up qualifying for WIC. Sure, it hurt my pride, and going into that office every few weeks to pick up formula felt embarrassing to me, but it was a big help when we needed it. MH was laid off at the time, and I wasnt working bc I had just had DS (plus my job wasnt willing to work with me in changing my schedule, so they ended up laying me off).
After a few months, MH went back to work and we no longer qualified, so we phased out of the program.
The way I think of assistance, its focused around the kids. So I'm more concerned about babies and kids getting the food and other things they need than the occasional cheat who finds a loophole in the system. Bc what hhappens when a family doesnt get the assistance they need? Its mostly the kids who suffer. And that makes my heart hurt.
@JunkieBrewster I hear you on paper WIC checks being a PITA. When I was on WIC and would use them at the register at Wal-Mart or stop and shop, they'd have to stop, call the mgr to come and verify my identity to use the checks, and it was such a hassle. I remember feeling like everyone behind mw in line was staring at me like some charity case (even though I'm sure it was all in my head). Id say the paper checks/process that comes along with them is the one downside. But please dont let that deter you from getting the help you need! Fuck the people who judge.
Where I got some of my information was sitting in the kitchen of my ex-wife's work friend's house who was also on public assistance. She informed me that most of the people living in her trailer park did bare minimum to keep on public assistance and that the adults would buy food for themselves but allow their children to have any.
I also worked with another person who told me to my face that he knew exactly to the penny how much he could make a year and maximize government aid.
My mom was a social worker and she also told me stories about how a lot of the people that she dealt with would have had more productive lives if they would take their prescribed medicine and stay off of the drugs and alcohol.
I also know of people who have successfully transitioned off of welfare through hard work at making themselves more employable including a co-worker who has told me stories also from when she was on welfare.
When I was married to my ex-wife, I was making roughly $6.00 to $12.00 an hour and me ex-wife started out at around $8 and kept going down. I was working full time, going to school almost full time and I always made it a priority to have car insurance and health insurance. There was times that it was rough to go to the dentist or the doctor's office.
Hopefully this will give everyone here more information on where my initial answer came from. I have lived among the working poor and was one of them for a good while myself, it is rough but people can escape from it. I also have relatives that hate the ACA because they make too much for subsidies but don't have the money to cover the price for even bronze level coverage.
Where I got some of my information was sitting in the kitchen of my ex-wife's work friend's house who was also on public assistance. She informed me that most of the people living in her trailer park did bare minimum to keep on public assistance and that the adults would buy food for themselves but allow their children to have any.
I also worked with another person who told me to my face that he knew exactly to the penny how much he could make a year and maximize government aid.
My mom was a social worker and she also told me stories about how a lot of the people that she dealt with would have had more productive lives if they would take their prescribed medicine and stay off of the drugs and alcohol.
I also know of people who have successfully transitioned off of welfare through hard work at making themselves more employable including a co-worker who has told me stories also from when she was on welfare.
When I was married to my ex-wife, I was making roughly $6.00 to $12.00 an hour and me ex-wife started out at around $8 and kept going down. I was working full time, going to school almost full time and I always made it a priority to have car insurance and health insurance. There was times that it was rough to go to the dentist or the doctor's office.
Hopefully this will give everyone here more information on where my initial answer came from. I have lived among the working poor and was one of them for a good while myself, it is rough but people can escape from it. I also have relatives that hate the ACA because they make too much for subsidies but don't have the money to cover the price for even bronze level coverage.
Your first point... Did you read the thread? Doing more than the bare minimum and losing assistance could mean you can't pay for food or housing. It's great to want to get off assistance, but not being able to feed yourself makes working hard to improve your life kind of hard. I'd know to the penny what I could make and not lose my assistance as well. If that's the difference between surviving and starving, of course I'd know.
As for the second point... You do realize that staying off the drugs and alcohol isn't that easy, right? And that taking pills isn't super simple for someone with a mental illness, right?
I'm glad you made it out but there are people who work JUST AS HARD AS YOU and don't make it.
As for the kids not being fed, you did call CPS, didn't you?
@Wulfgar are you being fucking serious? You got your info from a friend who got it from a friend? Or that one person you know, who told a story that supported your preconceived ideas?
You have no hard facts to back up any of your claims. And your shit about "staying off pills and booze" Ugh. Have you ever been an addict? Do you have any idea what it's like to try and stay away from things like that? Have you ever been depressed or bipolar or schizophrenic? My guess is no, if you think it's so goddamn easy.
Then again for all I know you're one of those idiots that tell people to just get over it. Until you having something substantial to add to the conversation (like...oh...I don't know- facts) why don't you just STFU?
So, wulfgar is a white dude, right? I can't remember if that was covered earlier in the thread. It's just as hard for white dudes to pull themselves up by their boot straps as everyone else, right?
Re: I drove my Mercedes to pick up my food stamps
I have just met way too many that were on the other end where they would do just the bare minimum to keep all of their government aid. I try my best not to judge especially if it looks like they are trying but sometimes it is really hard.
Harry Styles = Life Ruiner
There’s a lightning in your eyes I can't deny
Then there’s me inside a sinking boat running out of time
Without you I'll never make it out alive
But I know, yes, I know we’ll be alright
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J. 1.14.13 my reason for breathing
it's not the exception to the rule. you only say that because you assume "normal" look joe shmo on that you interact with everyday, see everyday, and don't think less of them isn't on assistance. people you come in contact with everyday in every which way may be on assistance and going through a tough time. but you don't think "oh, look at that freeloader using my tax dollarz!" because they don't fit whatever welfare queen image that you have in your head.
exception to the rule. getthefuckouttahere with that nonsense.
NO RULZ.
I worked a well paying job, drove (drive) luxury cars, have nice diamonds and handbags, and iphones. Hair and Nails done and nice clothes. I lost my job the day I told them I was pregnant, it didn't fall into our strict plans and budget. My pregnancy was rough and I was on bed rest for most of it (14 weeks and on) but was fortunate enough to collect unemployment. It wasn't what I was used to but we made it work by cutting spending, selling things, and keeping baby expenses at bay. My DH owns a construction company, income isn't very consistent and this was as the market was just coming back in our shore town.
At 12 days old my DS was hospitalized and the conclusion was that he had a milk protein allergy as well as a stomach virus he picked up in the ER. They put him on Alimentum formula - I didn't know at the time but it is VERY expensive and being a first time mom I had no clue it was even a possibility. After mourning not being able to breastfeed and my child's medical emergency we were faced with a very real problem - we couldn't afford to feed him. A realization we found out on my first Mother's Day - the day we were released from the hospital in the aisle of Target. After calling my DR in hysterics we were told WIC would cover Alimentum if we qualified.
I was at the office the very next morning with all the paperwork on the website and a Dr's note in hand for the Alimentum. We actually made $25 a month more than what was allowed to qualify - a can of Alimentum was 2x that. I fought and fought and with my Dr's assistance we were given WIC. My Baby could eat.
I tried to sell my BMW but no one was buying so that's what i drove to get my WIC checks, my DH wasn't thrilled at the idea of me selling my engagement ring either (family heirloom) and my Iphone plan at the time wasn't any cheaper than the flip phone (I had paid for the phone when I was still working) I am SURE that I was judged every time I went in the grocery store line or pulled into the WIC office for my qualification meetings. I stopped using WIC the day DS was allowed to go off Alimentum but I have never felt more blessed in my life than being granted that assistance that day. I have to believe as I am in the grocery store and I see the tired mom putting up her month's supply of formula that she is feeling blessed to be able to feed her baby too - and maybe her Iphone, skittles, and ering are more a reminder of failure to her than of cheating the system.
Sorry for the long story but it's something that hits home hard.
This is actually my career, and I hate the stigma associated with it. I know so many people who won't come apply for assistance just because they don't want to be judged. I actually love that we have an online process now, so you don't have to actually come to an office. We still have a ton of kinks to work out, but I know it's helping people who would not apply otherwise.
I think the kicker of it is I had always been fortunate enough to never really have to give public assistance or those that get it a second thought. That's why it kills me that most people don't realize that no matter how good their job is, it really only takes one big event to set off the chain reaction of needing assistance. And that's only for the people that aren't in cycle of poverty, for them they never had a chance. The "welfare queen debate" just opens my eyes to how people of fortunate circumstances can be more ignorant than those they judge.
This. I'm not single, but we budget to the $ due to daycare costs. I can't qualify for daycare assistance due to making to much, but if I stopped working or worked less to meet the requirements I wouldn't need daycare( if I wasn't working) or wouldn't make enough to pay for other things. So instead we budget and scrape by.
I am curious as to how/ where you have met "too many" that were on the other end. I do this for a living and it has been my experience that the overwhelming majority do not want to be at DSS and do not want to on assistance. There are those who play the system, but in my profesional experience, they are the exception, not the rule.
It might do you good to research facts on SS/ Medicaid/ Medicare fraud. There is a wealth of legit info out there that can dispel some of your misconceptions.
Is that worse than a Mercedes?
A whole lotta shit changed from when I got then (for free) and when we went on WIC.
I tried multiple times to sell or give them away but, shocker, no one wanted a crippled horse or an ancient horse when rideable young horses were being abandoned.
We even looked into euthanasia but the vets wouldn't because the horses were healthy, even when I said I was afraid I wouldn't be able to afford to feed them.
It was not a good time.
After a few months, MH went back to work and we no longer qualified, so we phased out of the program.
The way I think of assistance, its focused around the kids. So I'm more concerned about babies and kids getting the food and other things they need than the occasional cheat who finds a loophole in the system. Bc what hhappens when a family doesnt get the assistance they need? Its mostly the kids who suffer. And that makes my heart hurt.
I also worked with another person who told me to my face that he knew exactly to the penny how much he could make a year and maximize government aid.
My mom was a social worker and she also told me stories about how a lot of the people that she dealt with would have had more productive lives if they would take their prescribed medicine and stay off of the drugs and alcohol.
I also know of people who have successfully transitioned off of welfare through hard work at making themselves more employable including a co-worker who has told me stories also from when she was on welfare.
When I was married to my ex-wife, I was making roughly $6.00 to $12.00 an hour and me ex-wife started out at around $8 and kept going down. I was working full time, going to school almost full time and I always made it a priority to have car insurance and health insurance. There was times that it was rough to go to the dentist or the doctor's office.
Hopefully this will give everyone here more information on where my initial answer came from. I have lived among the working poor and was one of them for a good while myself, it is rough but people can escape from it. I also have relatives that hate the ACA because they make too much for subsidies but don't have the money to cover the price for even bronze level coverage.
As for the second point... You do realize that staying off the drugs and alcohol isn't that easy, right? And that taking pills isn't super simple for someone with a mental illness, right?
I'm glad you made it out but there are people who work JUST AS HARD AS YOU and don't make it.
As for the kids not being fed, you did call CPS, didn't you?