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Lee81 · July 2014

Oh my, and the lab they chose to do the testing seems to have been investigated by the FDA and warned about inadequate testing processes/procedures/corrective measures/yadayadaiskimmed

https://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm271728.htm

bkeane619 · July 2014

Gatorsgirl731 · July 2014

LC122 said:
@Gatorsgirl731‌, you can quote posts all day long, but that thread had a lot more to it, on both sides of the discussion, and much of what you quoted was later qualified. So, what specifically offends you?

The part I quoted was your original UO. The statement that offended everyone. But your right you can't have a conversation intellectual or not with a brick wall. And I'm sure you will be positive that you are not the wall in this conversation. I was never going to touch this topic with you again, but for some reason I thought I could get through to you and you would understand that your ORIGINAL statement was hurtful. But yet again I've wasted my time. I swear, it's like 100 people are telling you the building is on fire and you refuse to evacuate just because you so t see flames.

I'm done. I tried to give you a way out but you want no part of it. Burn baby burn.

Lee81 · July 2014

rsigler said: JFC, we have GOT to stop feeding the troll, people.
~~~~~~~~eeeekbrokenquote~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ But I couldn't sleep last night and I needed something to do.

Jenball717 · July 2014

Ignore her screen name. It makes it so much easier to handle the temptation to fight her ridiculous claims when you can't see them. Seriously, free yourself and hit "ignore"!

Gatorsgirl731 · July 2014

Lee81 said:

rsigler said:

JFC, we have GOT to stop feeding the troll, people.

~~~~~~~~eeeekbrokenquote~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

But I couldn't sleep last night and I needed something to do.

Yes. @Lee81‌ and I were having a pajama party. We skipped the pillow fights and facials to talk to the brick wall.

Next time lets give each other pedicures?!

jennlin · July 2014

can i add that, not only was LC spewing hatred at formula in general, she was saying she couldn't be friends with moms who choose to FF because they're lazy?

LC122 · July 2014

@Lee81‌, as for clarification, since people ::coughjennlincough:: like to say I hate formula, I was pointing out that the article criticizes the content of some formulas and comments on what the FDA does/doesn't regulate, but also says that formula is safe and nutritious.

As for your FDA warning letter, scroll all the way to the bottom and click on the link that explains how they resolved those issues and were back in good standing.

So, people wanted to know where this idea is coming from. The book I haven't read isn't even remotely on my reading list, but maybe I'll have to look it over next time I'm at B&N. I suspect that it doesn't matter what the book is or who it was written by. People here have their minds made up and aren't going to change them or open them to new ideas.

And talk about rehashing semantics @jennlin‌ with the friends comment. I suspect that wording is what irks people. Well, in all those UO pages only @shelleynumbers said she FF from the start for no medical reason and without ever trying to BF and that was the circumstances I was referring to and I don't have any friends who did that. I know many who tried to BF and were unable to for a variety of reasons and then opted to FF. But no one wants to acknowledge that or the fact that my points originally had nothing to do with the BF vs FF debate; that's just what people wanted to argue. Everybody was in such a hurry to try to make me into a formula shamer, and then got irate when I defended myself.

And @Gatorsgirl731‌, if you choose to be offended by a statement that was perceived by many as offensive and then clarified in a way that most people said "ok, I see what you meant", then maybe you just want to be a victim. The offense came in the misunderstanding, which was later clarified.

Where is Eleanor Roosevelt?

Gatorsgirl731 · July 2014

LC122 said:
@Lee81‌, as for clarification, since people ::coughjennlincough:: like to say I hate formula, I was pointing out that the article criticizes the content of some formulas and comments on what the FDA does/doesn't regulate, but also says that formula is safe and nutritious.

As for your FDA warning letter, scroll all the way to the bottom and click on the link that explains how they resolved those issues and were back in good standing.

So, people wanted to know where this idea is coming from. The book I haven't read isn't even remotely on my reading list, but maybe I'll have to look it over next time I'm at B&N. I suspect that it doesn't matter what the book is or who it was written by. People here have their minds made up and aren't going to change them or open them to new ideas.

And talk about rehashing semantics @jennlin‌ with the friends comment. I suspect that wording is what irks people. Well, in all those UO pages only @shelleynumbers said she FF from the start for no medical reason and without ever trying to BF and that was the circumstances I was referring to and I don't have any friends who did that. I know many who tried to BF and were unable to for a variety of reasons and then opted to FF. But no one wants to acknowledge that or the fact that my points originally had nothing to do with the BF vs FF debate; that's just what people wanted to argue. Everybody was in such a hurry to try to make me into a formula shamer, and then got irate when I defended myself.

And @Gatorsgirl731‌, if you choose to be offended by a statement that was perceived by many as offensive and then clarified in a way that most people said "ok, I see what you meant", then maybe you just want to be a victim. The offense came in the misunderstanding, which was later clarified.

Where is Eleanor Roosevelt?

I wasn't offended, I found the statement offensive. Are you able to see the difference? I tried like hell to BF but couldn't. So by your standards I'm A-OK. Your conclusion that I want to be a victim has actually offended me. So I will conclude that you want to be a know it all bitch, blind to other peoples feelings. You don't get to judge the values of a person based on whether they FF for convenience or necessity.

Eta word fix. Fuck the rest of the grammar and spelling idgaf.

pmarie33 · July 2014

Gatorsgirl731 · July 2014

Holy crap is right! The OP in this thread is about her. If I didn't want to read anything by or about her I would hit my back button, not read all three pages.

#rulebreaker

jennlin · July 2014

mcbenny said:

Every time I see the title of this thread it reminds me of -

"Hold up, wait a minute, let me put some BOOM in it...."

i think more of "hold up, wait a minute, don't go there cause i aint wit it. eeny meeny miney mo, 24k's on the go, yeah, we got yo ho"

#early90srap

sleepy33 · July 2014

jennlin said:

mcbenny said:

Every time I see the title of this thread it reminds me of -

"Hold up, wait a minute, let me put some BOOM in it...."

i think more of "hold up, wait a minute, don't go there cause i aint wit it. eeny meeny miney mo, 24k's on the go, yeah, we got yo ho"

#early90srap

I literally almost posted the video for this. Dangerous Minds soundtrack.

PinkiePie2013 · July 2014

LC122 · July 2014

@Lee81‌, here is a link to the book. It's called "Fat Chance".
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0142180432/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1404932131&sr=8-3&pi=SY200_QL40

The overlapping key words between the article I cited and this were "baby milkshakes".

And that article referenced a pediatric dentist with a Masters in nutrition. Seemed like an odd choice to me too, but I guess they just wanted who works with kids and has a background in nutrition.

hlb622 · July 2014

Lee81 · July 2014

Thanks @LC122‌. I'll be interested in giving that a look over if I get a chance. I did a quick google search to see what I could learn without actually having it to read. I found a transcript and recording of an npr interview with the author.

https://www.npr.org/2013/01/11/169144853/the-fallacies-of-fat

I appears the book's primary focus is sugars in general, not formula. The interview touched on formula though: "The fact of the matter is that even baby formula is laced with sugar. The formula Isomil is lactose-free. What do they substitute? They substitute sucrose. Coca-cola is 10.5 percent sucrose. You know, Isomil is 10.3 percent sucrose. And there is sugar in virtually all of standard baby foods, and the reason is because that way the kid will eat it."

I question the accuracy of that statement. He seems to be deliberately ignoring the fact that the sugar content in breastmilk is equally high because that's what babies need. I'd be interested in knowing if he addresses that in the book.

I also found this rather critical review of Dr. Lustig's book https://sweetenerstudies.com/sites/default/files/resources/files/Scientific-Review-of-Lustigs-Fat-Chance.pdf
Admittedly, I have not had a chance to do more than skim it, but it includes a respectable list of scientific references that the author believes cast doubt on Dr. Lustig's claims.

So admittedly, you have a source, I'm just not convinced that it is any more reliable than the NBC article you quoted earlier. Ill be interested to find out if I have a chance to take a look at the book sometime.

LC122 · July 2014

@Lee81‌

Yeah, I don't doubt that the author/book is controversial. I'm not sure if it is as simple as a difference in the types of sugars.
Anyway, this rabbit hole brought to you by my brother. I still believe all formulas are not created equally, but I haven't needed to do the research on how or why or if it matters. I did find a lot of interesting information for the sake of this argument though.

Anyway, thanks for the much more adult discussion.

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