OH HOLD UP

sleepy33 · July 2014

Now friggin LC numbers is up in that Parenting thread talking some shit on O13.

deedee1017 · July 2014

link? obvs.

jennlin · July 2014

what page? i stopped following, and it's too long now!

sleepy33 · July 2014

https://forums.thebump.com/discussion/12386448/2-can-play-at-this-game/p14

sleepy33 · July 2014

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deedee1017 · July 2014

LOL @ friggin

LC122 · July 2014

dknight413 said:
Let her go to parenting. I'm sure she will fit in very well over there.

Are you pretending you aren't already over there? Intro'd and all.

LC122 · July 2014

And man, did I call this one or what?

sleepy33 · July 2014

quartermisses said:

mcbenny said:

I want no part of anything LCnumbers has.

[Deleted User] · July 2014

Hi @mcbenny HI!!

taylormarie923 · July 2014

HilarityEnsued said:

MrsButt said:

WHOA. Just like every BMB they have all the sticky threads. What is with BMBs and sticky-ing posts??

my very first thought.. I dismissed all the things that I could possibly dismiss...

They raise a really great point here...

sleepy33 · July 2014

@nellybluth I like you. I just wanna put that out there. You don't like it, you throw it right back.

taylormarie923 · July 2014

quartermisses said:

taylormarie923 said:

HilarityEnsued said:

MrsButt said:

WHOA. Just like every BMB they have all the sticky threads. What is with BMBs and sticky-ing posts??

my very first thought.. I dismissed all the things that I could possibly dismiss...
They raise a really great point here...

I have them all dismissed. How many are there?

There are a lot. I have never been able to dismiss kimbo's stickies.

#prettysureiknowhowacarseatworksbynow

jennlin · July 2014

taylormarie923 said:

taylormarie923 said:

MrsButt said:

WHOA. Just like every BMB they have all the sticky threads. What is with BMBs and sticky-ing posts??

my very first thought.. I dismissed all the things that I could possibly dismiss...
They raise a really great point here...

I have them all dismissed. How many are there?
There are a lot. I have never been able to dismiss kimbo's stickies. #prettysureiknowhowacarseatworksbynow

i was able to dismiss some but not all. i think. there's 3 kimbo stickies left.

jorkz821 · July 2014

dknight413 said:
Let her go to parenting. I'm sure she will fit in very well over there.

Wait. Wut? Weren't we just chatting over there like, last week? Y U mad tho?

Jenball717 · July 2014

Um, I like the Parenting chicks.

::Homers back into the bushes::

#hahahomerhasabush

LC122 · July 2014

dknight413 said:

jorkz821 said:

dknight413 said:
Let her go to parenting. I'm sure she will fit in very well over there.
Wait. Wut? Weren't we just chatting over there like, last week? Y U mad tho?
Correction: it was two weeks ago. And no. I'm not mad. At all. I'm sat outside drinking a Crabbies and LOLing at this complete insanity. If anything I'm quite happy that LCNumbers has gone elsewhere.

Don't worry. Still here.

Ajoyd · July 2014

petdocd said:

jorkz821 said:

dknight413 said:
Let her go to parenting. I'm sure she will fit in very well over there.
Wait. Wut? Weren't we just chatting over there like, last week? Y U mad tho?
Didn't you used to be on our bmb? Why did you leave us?

@petdocd‌ never forgets.

jorkz821 · July 2014

petdocd said:

jorkz821 said:

dknight413 said:
Let her go to parenting. I'm sure she will fit in very well over there.
Wait. Wut? Weren't we just chatting over there like, last week? Y U mad tho?
Didn't you used to be on our bmb? Why did you leave us?

Lol! Well I do have an O13 baby but only participated here a bit during pregnancy then hardly at all since. I lurk youse guise sometimes tho. Caught the LCnumbers formula feeding BS. Wasn't she trying to compare sugar content to what's in neonatal tpn?

I don't think I "left" so much as had another home board and can't multitask.

LC122 · July 2014

@jorkz821‌, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you can follow analogies, even though taking them off the SATs was clearly a big mistake since the majority of people around here desperately need them.

So, Sooner said all formulas were "EXACTLY THE SAME" and I said they were not. Someone posted a picture of formula cans showing that the numbers were different. Sooner took it as close enough and therefore equal. I disagreed saying that the differences in content were significant. Since she and others were trying to hang her hat on her husband being a neonatologist, I recommended she ask him how significant numbers were, such as when calculating TPN. Someone was like "TPN isn't formula" (#duh) and it might as well have been fire in a crowded theater.

TL;DR - so was the UO thread which apparently hardly anyone really read, so feel free to make up your own conclusions as did most other people.

jorkz821 · July 2014

LC122 said:
@jorkz821‌, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you can follow analogies, even though taking them off the SATs was clearly a big mistake since the majority of people around here desperately need them.

So, Sooner said all formulas were "EXACTLY THE SAME" and I said they were not. Someone posted a picture of formula cans showing that the numbers were different. Sooner took it as close enough and therefore equal. I disagreed saying that the differences in content were significant. Since she and others were trying to hang her hat on her husband being a neonatologist, I recommended she ask him how significant numbers were, such as when calculating TPN. Someone was like "TPN isn't formula" (#duh) and it might as well have been fire in a crowded theater.

TL;DR - so was the UO thread which apparently hardly anyone really read, so feel free to make up your own conclusions as did most other people.

I guess you're going to need to dumb it down a bit more for me. I'm just a lowly neonatal RD who has written probably 10,000 TPNs in my career. The difference between 10.2g carb per 100 kcal and 10.4 g/100kcal (or whatever the difference was, I forget what your argument was now) is negligible. If a baby eats 100kcal/kg, that's like a difference of 1 gram of carb per day for a 10lb baby.

Someone call CPS.

sleepy33 · July 2014

jorkz821 said:

@jorkz821‌, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you can follow analogies, even though taking them off the SATs was clearly a big mistake since the majority of people around here desperately need them. So, Sooner said all formulas were "EXACTLY THE SAME" and I said they were not. Someone posted a picture of formula cans showing that the numbers were different. Sooner took it as close enough and therefore equal. I disagreed saying that the differences in content were significant. Since she and others were trying to hang her hat on her husband being a neonatologist, I recommended she ask him how significant numbers were, such as when calculating TPN. Someone was like "TPN isn't formula" (#duh) and it might as well have been fire in a crowded theater. TL;DR - so was the UO thread which apparently hardly anyone really read, so feel free to make up your own conclusions as did most other people.
I guess you're going to need to dumb it down a bit more for me. I'm just a lowly neonatal RD who has written probably 10,000 TPNs in my career. The difference between 10.2g carb per 100 kcal and 10.4 g/100kcal (or whatever the difference was, I forget what your argument was now) is negligible. If a baby eats 100kcal/kg, that's like a difference of 1 gram of carb per day for a 10lb baby. Someone call CPS.

Check out the big brain on Brad!

Lee81 · July 2014

Gigglesnort

LC122 · July 2014

@jorkz821‌, so your stance is that you also think all formulas "are exactly the same"?

I was arguing both semantics and facts. If all formulas were exactly the same, no one on this board or any other would ever ask about switching or would ever have a story about one working better for their child than another. Formula companies wouldn't bother varying the ingredients because they would all be "exactly the same" in "the exact same ratios".

jorkz821 · July 2014

LC122 said:
@jorkz821‌, so your stance is that you also think all formulas "are exactly the same"?

I was arguing both semantics and facts. If all formulas were exactly the same, no one on this board or any other would ever ask about switching or would ever have a story about one working better for their child than another. Formula companies wouldn't bother varying the ingredients because they would all be "exactly the same" in "the exact same ratios".

It's not generally the macronutrients that vary between formulas though, so much as all the "other" stuff. Prebiotics, probiotics, broken down proteins, lactose or not, whatever. Doesn't mean that particular brands are "loaded with sugar" if I recall your OP correctly. The ratios are generally the same.

Can we talk about something else now?

LC122 · July 2014

@jorkz821‌, what would you like to talk about?

taylormarie923 · July 2014

How about this analogy:

Feeding a baby formula < feeding a baby breast milk :: not using a car seat < using a car seat

Oh also, I was the one who linked the nutritional facts of formula for you to see that there was a very small variation between the sugar content of each one. I am sure I still have those saved on my photobucket account if you would really like to rehash this.

sooner1981 · July 2014

LC122 said:
@jorkz821‌, so your stance is that you also think all formulas "are exactly the same"?

I was arguing both semantics and facts. If all formulas were exactly the same, no one on this board or any other would ever ask about switching or would ever have a story about one working better for their child than another. Formula companies wouldn't bother varying the ingredients because they would all be "exactly the same" in "the exact same ratios".

LC, don't play dumb (even though I am sure it is super easy for you...)

You started the whole debate by saying that your brother had done extensive investigation into the formulas sold in stores and you were SHOCkED to find out that some are loaded with way more sugar than others, so formula feeders should be super careful about the brand they get...

To which I replied that all commercial, non-prescription/NICU formulas are required to have the same ratios of carbs to proteins to fats and have 20 calories an ounce, along with certain amounts of other vitamins/minerals.

Someone, maybe @taylormarie##, screenshotted various formula can nutrition labels at the store, proving my point.

You then proceeded to say that since one can had 10.2 grams of carbs and the other had 10.4 grams of carbs, you had been totally right all along--forgetting that your base argument had been that some formula has tons of sugar while other is super diet, low-cal Barbie formula that is great for babies.

You will not be able to spin this story into anything less than the train wreck it was at the time... Unfortunately for you, the Internet never forgets!

taylormarie923 · July 2014

#barbieformula

Lee81 · July 2014

It's like watching someone who just keeps bringing a knife to a gunfight.

LC122 · July 2014

taylormarie923 said:
How about this analogy:

Feeding a baby formula < feeding a baby breast milk :: not using a car seat < using a car seat

Oh also, I was the one who linked the nutritional facts of formula for you to see that there was a very small variation between the sugar content of each one. I am sure I still have those saved on my photobucket account if you would really like to rehash this.

@taylormarie923‌

So, I believe the "Breast is Best" campaign would argue that "Feeding a baby formula < feeding a baby breast milk" as would the proponents of breastfeeding.

The car seat analogy was brought up because someone was all up in arms over seeing someone not having their kids in a car seat. And I brought up the fact that kids are not required to be in car seats in public transportation, like taxis. So, while I don't think the OP was talking about a taxi, it isn't necessarily the end of the world when a kid is not in a car seat. People in metro cities may never buy a car seat because they do not own a car.

So, while breast is best and it is safer for children to ride in car seats, formula and safely traveling with kids in cars are possible alternatives.

How's that? ¿Comprendes?

LC122 · July 2014

@sooner1981‌, I'll get back to you with the source my brother was citing. Maybe, if anybody cares. I'm mildly curious but mostly losing interest.

You seem to be back-pedaling out of your "EXACTLY THE SAME" (and it was all caps, but you needn't yell) and preferring to stick to your ratios qualifier.

Gatorsgirl731 · July 2014

See this is why people feel the way they do about you @lc122. YOU can't let it go. Honestly I have no idea what you do for a living, but you remind me of a furniture salesman who won't just let you browse. No one is buying what your selling. Rather than continue to defend your incorrect opinions or your brothers "research" why don't you accept the fact that you messed up. You made a statement that was offensive to several moms on this board and ff's everywhere. Own up to it and eventually people will move on. I read fine, I understand what I'm reading fine, I know you didn't say ALL ff'ers are bad, but what you did say was still pretty offensive.

LC122 · July 2014

@Gatorsgirl731‌, what is offensive about saying not all formulas are created equal? They aren't. I never said anyone on this board was feeding their kid anything harmful. I have no idea what formula anyone chooses (unless I looked up the threads where people volunteered that info or discussed them) and I have no horse in that race.
There is a book that makes the assertion that some formulas are less healthy and showed a correlation with childhood obesity. Rather than condemning me for sharing that, why doesn't anyone care why the book claims that? Offer support for the correlation being weak or not being causation. Nobody here cares to follow up on that. They would much rather insist that I'm offending all formula feeders. Have an intellectual discussion, for those who are able.

Gatorsgirl731 · July 2014

This is all still just your defense to an offensive statement. No one gives a shit about a book you didn't name, research your brother did, your follow up or your justification of the statement. It is your inability to see that you offended people, and your refusal to apologize.

Direct quote.

LC122 said:
I judge people.
Hear me out:
I think we all do. Every parenting decision you make, you are deciding (judging, if you will) which option you think is best and choosing it. There are reasons you decide one option is better than the others.
Now, I completely acknowledge that everyone will have different reasons for the choices they make, but some are more respectable than others. And I also separate my judgement of someone's choices vs a judgement of them as a person.
Examples:
Breast feeding vs Formula Feeding: when I see someone FF, my first thought isn't "what a terrible mother" it's "I wonder why she has to FF". But when I hear that someone chose to FF because it was easier, I question their values. Not saying you're a bad person, but also not saying we could be friends because we share different values.
Not using the car seat in the car: I considered the options and decided using a car seat was the best option. Not saying you're a bad person for holding baby in your lap, just saying we probably won't be friends because I value my child's life and you clearly don't. #it'salsothelaw #andyouareabadperson

Edit: iPad bumping sucks for formatting #iknowhowtouseparagraphs

Intellectually speaking. How do you not get that?

Kdanson · July 2014

Just going to leave this here

Lee81 · July 2014

LC122 said:

There is a book that makes the assertion that some formulas are less healthy and showed a correlation with childhood obesity. Rather than condemning me for sharing that, why doesn't anyone care why the book claims that? Offer support for the correlation being weak or not being causation. Nobody here cares to follow up on that. They would much rather insist that I'm offending all formula feeders. Have an intellectual discussion, for those who are able.

It's hard to have an intellectual discussion about a source you haven't named. Until you tell us where you are getting your information or provide some background about yourself that would lead us to believe you are some kind of authority on the subject, you are just going to be a random person on the internet making claims you can't defend with evidence. If you are assuming that people are just going to take your word for it, an intellectual discussion isn't really what you are after.

LC122 · July 2014

@Lee81‌ and whoever:

Here is an article from last July. Obviously this isn't the book I mentioned and have yet to track down, but it does use the same phrasing that my brother mentioned when telling me about the book.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/target-5-sugar-baby-formula-139339308.html

Here are some of the highlights, but please read for yourself:

"He said some of the formulas are so sweet -- he calls them "baby milkshakes" -- and believes they may play a role in our country’s battle with childhood obesity."

"While the Food and Drug administration does regulate many aspects of formula, it does not require makers to list sugar amounts. The agency is also silent when it comes to how much sugar is allowed."

"Parents and health professionals can be assured infant formula is safe and nutritious."

LC122 · July 2014

@Gatorsgirl731‌, you can quote posts all day long, but that thread had a lot more to it, on both sides of the discussion, and much of what you quoted was later qualified. So, what specifically offends you?

LC122 · July 2014

And PS, you can't become indignant over the first and/or second highlight and ignore the third.

Lee81 · July 2014

LC122 said:
And PS, you can't become indignant over the first and/or second highlight and ignore the third.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Can you clarify?

I don't feel like this article is a very reliable source. It cites no actual studies. All they did was test sugar content in seven out of dozens of different formulas and they interviewed one pediatrician who also has, iirc, a masters in nutrition. I hope you are basing your argument on something more significant than sensationalist journalism and a secondhand report of a book you didn't read and can't name.

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