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kseccomb17 · July 2014

I don't shop at hobby lobby, I don't eat at chik-fil-a or papa John's for moral reasons. I am pro choice, it's none of my business what a woman chooses; I think all people of every kind should be married be if they want. And finally, scotus sucks.

mrscrcalli · July 2014

I eat at chick fil a, shop at hobby lobby, am pro choice, pro equality.. Wait for it...... Am a libertarian.

Also the world couldn't exist without big corporations.. You wouldn't be in your house with your electric, on your smart phone using the internet without them.. So put your picket sign down and get a job.

Eta: "you"
Isn't directed toward anyone in here... It's in general. Just read an article from a "blogger" that got me fired up just in time for UO!

Yogini6911 · July 2014

I don't understand why all of the sudden people in the US are going gaga over soccer. I equate these folks to penant pickets who are "fans" of the hottest team at the moment but are quick to disregard that team when another team becomes hot. It seems like only because it's popular now is why so many like it... I bet that by the end of the summer those new fans will have long abandoned soccer for the next popular thing.

chichi589 · July 2014

I deleted the wonder weeks app. seems like a lot of worry for nothing he's going to have a bad day it'll be a bad day ya know? No need to get ready for it.

hordol · July 2014

I agree with @mrscrcalli‌ on pretty much everything she said.

Also to add to my UO, I think it's completely ridiculous that people are so worked up over Hobby Lobby not wanting to pay for all methods of birth control. They are still paying for the most popular methods of birth control, just don't want their insurance to cover abortifacients. Yes, I understand that the ruling applies to all forms, but I think it's ridiculous that Hobby Lobby individually is getting so much grief. They aren't forbidding female employees from doing anything. They are just saying that that aren't paying for certain things. Doesn't mean the employees can't do it with their own money. They still have options.

MamaFantastic · July 2014

My husband asked me yesterday if my chat board was abuzz with hobby lobby conversations. I had no idea what he was talking about and still don't.

I don't eat at Chik fil A because I don't eat fast food, period. No political statement, just a personal food quality threshold.

I am pro life. Always have been.

JessieAlbin · July 2014

The Hobby Lobby thing isn't about abortion, and the methods of birth control they "believe" amount to abortion do not terminate pregnancies. It's not really about sincerely held religious beliefs, either. It's about money, and making a political statement and legal precedent, about legislation they don't like. There are way more moral ways of getting that done, and it's short sighted and obnoxious, and counterproductive to the cause of Jesus. Christ was never into defending what rich businessmen could do with their money from the government, but he sure was into defending women and poor people. Once again we have loud, influential "Christians" polluting the public eye with reasons for people far from Christ to stay that way, in the name of politics and the almighty dollar. I bet Jesus is stoked about that.

BeckyF82 · July 2014

I'm fed up of people judging me / others for being an atheist. A woman at a group I went to last week said she would be bringing her children up as Christians because she wanted them to behave well and be taught it was wrong to kill, steal etc.. I mentioned that she seemed to be implying that atheists wouldn't teach their kids not to do those things. And she replied "aren't you scared that your children will just run wild and go off the rails without god in their lives?"

Er, lady just because I'm an atheist and don't have a "book" to tell me what to do it doesn't mean I'm a thieving, cheating murderer throwing caution to the wind and doing whatever I want when I want. Funnily enough I'm going to teach my children to behave because it is the right thing to do morally and not just because they think some higher being is watching them and they don't want to get left out of heaven.

AmberLiz99 · July 2014

I get annoyed by all the breastfeeding articles and things in the news. On both sides. Let's just get over it please! (Not this board, society as a whole)

railroadRN · July 2014

I think people seriously went bananas about the Hobby Lobby/SCOTUS issue. People were posting (not on A14) that they had cried about it and it had ruined their entire day. Really, you cried?!

I just see so many more important issues in the nation and world that far outweigh the importance of which birth controls HL wants to provide for their employees. Everyone is so entitled with their, "stay out of my bedroom but pay for my birth control" attitude.

FTR...I don't consider plan B and Ella to be birth control. Seriously, that should be a one time thing.

AmberLiz99 · July 2014

I have another one. I hate when people use being young as an excuse for doing stupid or irresponsible things. I don't think once you're an adult that it's a legitimate excuse. I hear people all the time "but I was only 22" or "I was just stupid like all 25 year olds" etc. drives me crazy. By the time I was 22 I had finished college, was a working professional and purchased my first house. I'm 27 now and have two children, my own at home business and am very responsible. Maybe they were stupid or irresponsible or selfish at that age, but it wasn't because they were young, it's because they were absurdly immature.

allyandmike24 · July 2014

I hate when women refer to other women as "mommies"...yes, my kid can call me that but I didn't give birth to you. I have a name, please use it.

nursewinnie · July 2014

jellysparkles said:
The HL decision sets one of the scariest precedents and sloppiest legal loopholes in the history of our nation. I'm legitimately concerned for our children.

As for the "they still have 16 to choose from" argument - pray (ha) you're never in a position where you're forced in a job interview to disclose your medical history in asking if a company covers the levonorgestrel you need because it's the only hormone regulator that effectively treats your endometriosis. Particularly important interms of insurance coverage as it runs a good grand OOP, and left untreated makes one not the most reliable employee.

This exactly. It's not about whether they cover bc. It's about the precedent that they have set. So basically you can claim as a corporation that your religious beliefs are against anything and you have the right to enforce that. This is the issue. I'm not concerned what they believe. I'm concerned what some whack job believes and will someday have the legal right to enforce based on "religious freedom". This is why our founding fathers specifically chose to include separation of church and state. I said on Facebook that we are walking a fine line, to which my friend replied "we are not walking a fine line, we've just been given a violent shove over the cliff".

hordol · July 2014

I just really think the idea that your employer is responsible for your birth control is ridiculous. Yep, I'm one of those people.

I get that for most people upset with the ruling, it's more about the "what ifs". I think we could worry about the "what ifs" for a lot of things though. Just because the Supreme Court ruled in favor of this case doesn't mean they are going to rule in favor for the more extreme exemptions, which is where people seem to be going with this.

pbandjmom · July 2014

I have no idea what SCOTUS is, so I just read it as scrotum.

JessieAlbin · July 2014

hordol said:
I just really think the idea that your employer is responsible for your birth control is ridiculous. Yep, I'm one of those people. I get that for most people upset with the ruling, it's more about the "what ifs". I think we could worry about the "what ifs" for a lot of things though. Just because the Supreme Court ruled in favor of this case doesn't mean they are going to rule in favor for the more extreme exemptions, which is where people seem to be going with this.

They don't have to rule in favor again for it to effect other cases. That's how legal precedent works. The Supreme Court made a decision, which now will be used in countless other cases as legal precedent to allow corporations to be exempt from laws as long as they claim religious rights. Which, btw, will not need to be Christian to count as relevant to this case. The whole thing has very little to do with birth control. And @jellysparkles‌ is right, it's probably the scariest legal precedent and sloppiest legal loophole I can think of.

hordol · July 2014

I know I'm in the minority here, it's usually why I refrain from political statements (because the original post in this thread about the Supreme Court decision was more than likely the popular opinion) because I know I tend to think unpopularly (word? Idk) and my issues with this aren't really about religious freedom--at all. I think the ACA is unconstitutional all together and that employers should not be responsible for health care. I don't think it works to do health care the way we are doing it. America is kind of in between right now and needs to figure it out. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it I guess) our political system is set up in a way that radical changes to our way of life aren't likely to happen.

UnofficiallyLO · July 2014

... I don't like whipped cream.

rtv3 · July 2014

I don't understand people who say they are Christians but want their kids to 'decide for themselves'. If you truly believe your religion is truth why would you encourage your kids to even consider something else. I know they have to eat vegetables; I'm feeding them vegetables. I know they need Christ; I'm 'feeding' them the gospel and bringing them to church.

AmberLiz99 · July 2014

rtv3 said:
I don't understand people who say they are Christians but want their kids to 'decide for themselves'. If you truly believe your religion is truth why would you encourage your kids to even consider something else. I know they have to eat vegetables; I'm feeding them vegetables. I know they need Christ; I'm 'feeding' them the gospel and bringing them to church.

I agree in large part with this. I want them to gain their own belief in it, but because I believe it is true I will teach them about our religion all growing up and encourage them to find their commitment in what I do strongly believe will be best for them.

I don't judge others with different beliefs, but I will share mine with my children. Obviously they will choose for themselves in the end anyway

Jessimax · July 2014

My UO after reading all this; you crazy Americans, you are the most powerful country in the world yet are so far behind the rest of the western world. How do you allow this?

JessieAlbin · July 2014

hordol said:
I know I'm in the minority here, it's usually why I refrain from political statements (because the original post in this thread about the Supreme Court decision was more than likely the popular opinion) because I know I tend to think unpopularly (word? Idk) and my issues with this aren't really about religious freedom--at all. I think the ACA is unconstitutional all together and that employers should not be responsible for health care. I don't think it works to do health care the way we are doing it. America is kind of in between right now and needs to figure it out. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it I guess) our political system is set up in a way that radical changes to our way of life aren't likely to happen.

I have many issues with the Supreme Court decision (obviously from my last posts) on which I will happily agree to disagree with you. I don't think the ACA is perfect legislation, either, for what it's worth. However. There are other, better, less legally scary ways to fight that particular legislation than by opening the door for corporations to be legally exempt from any law based upon any "sincerely held religious belief". Healthcare in this country will be reformed again by the time that decision is overturned, and it's effects will be further reaching than cases about birth control.

MrsZ0811 · July 2014

LalaMama81 said:

dani+california said:

I don't understand people who say they are Christians but want their kids to 'decide for themselves'. If you truly believe your religion is truth why would you encourage your kids to even consider something else. I know they have to eat vegetables; I'm feeding them vegetables. I know they need Christ; I'm 'feeding' them the gospel and bringing them to church.
Going to strongly disagree with you on this one. My mom crammed religion down my throat for the better part of 16 years. It had the opposite effect she was hoping for. I will never force my beliefs on my child-just because *I* feel strongly about something doesn't mean they should or will. Be exposed to it through you? Sure! But if they say they're not interested or don't want to be a part of the church, that should be okay too.

I don't disagree w/ either - but if my 8 year old says they aren't interested in Church, I'm not going to say, "Okay, you don't have to go anymore! No big deal."

I have no intentions of cramming anything down anyone's throat and that was not how I was raised in the church, either. But Church is a family thing, we go, we're involved, our faith is what forms our worldview.

I posted about this a few weeks ago, I'm not sure at what age I'll be okay with them deciding (and not b/c they want to sleep in!) that they do not want to go to church. But it's definitely somewhere int the mid-teen years.

I was always required to go to church with my parents because it was a family thing. However I was not required to believe what they do. They taught me about their faith and I was expected to attend family outings, which included church.

I will do the same with my DD. she will be required to go to church with us because it is what we do as a family but you cannot force someone to believe something. So she will not be forced to believe what I do, although I sincerely hope that I can teach her my faith and that she will want to believe it and follow it herself, because it is what she chooses and not because it was' "forced" on her. I will not force her to believe what I do, but I will not encourage her to consider something else.

JessieAlbin · July 2014

As an aside, having just had a baby and seen what it really costs, I would think purely from a cost perspective employers would rather pay for even the most expensive birth control than pay for maternity care and leave. This kid cost us some dollars, man.

misskristina21 · July 2014

I think using go fund me or any other fundraising site for your dream wedding/honeymoon/vacation is tacky.

Brought to you by a FB friend who created one for people to give her money to take her kid to Disney.

bootsiebabe · July 2014

The SCOTUS decision is shameful. I'm super glad my employer could potentially have a say in what medications were covered for me based on their beliefs. Everyone loves being patronized!

And I've got a doozy coming but no way I'm typing it up mobile

mamahann · July 2014

allyandmike24 said:

I hate when women refer to other women as "mommies"...yes, my kid can call me that but I didn't give birth to you. I have a name, please use it.

Piggy backing on this - I hate being called "Mommy" in general.

Roufi · July 2014

A sense of community, and an appreciation for the devotion, worship and love are what I have taken away from going to church.

I went almost every Sunday with my grandparents and cousins, did Christmas pageants and readings in our tiny country church. I have never taken the Bible literally, however appreciate many of the values, and still go to Easter and Christmas Eve services, as well as the occasional Sunday because there is something sacred about that tiny church built with love, about off key hymns and sunlight streaming in, about family history and tradition and community.

For many people, that is enough and very fulfilling.

strawberrytree · July 2014

Occasionally, like when I compare the prices on Amazon.com with Amazon.ca, I think "Damn, wish I lived in the US!"

The rest of the time, like when I hear about this Hobby Lobby BS, I think "Damn, I am so happy I live in Canada!" The concept of having my employer decide something like this for me is just baffling.

strawberrytree · July 2014

I don't get why some people think renting is so evil. I know people who live with their parents for years- sometimes their wife/husband and kids in there as well, all crammed into a bedroom or two- because they're saving for a house and don't want to rent. One woman I know just had her marriage end because, in large part, her husband was sick of living with her parents and wanted to move out even if it meant renting, but she wouldn't have it because they needed to buy a house, not rent one. Another has a toddler behaving incredibly poorly because very time she tries to discipline or set boundaries, her MIL (who they live with) swoops in with a hug and a cookie and a "Mommy's so mean, come to Grandma!"

Surely a healthy marriage and well adjusted kids are more important than home ownership????

edoliesmom · July 2014

LuckySquare said:

kcp913 said:
I never ate at Chick fil A. I don't give a damn about any sports and we don't watch ANY sports in my house (DH's decision, I don't care) I don't fully get all the hub bub with hobby lobby and I think one of the people on this board is full of if with all the bad shit that supposedly happens to them.
Great, now I'm wondering who...

Hoping it's not me because everything I come to you guys with is sad but true, and I can prove it.

mrscrcalli · July 2014

dani+california said:
Dudes. If you're going to call people out on bullshit, just call them out. Don't make us all wonder if it's us you're talking about.

Nothing bad happens to me sooooo B-)

misskristina21 · July 2014

All breakfast foods besides bacon and French toast are nasty.

Mmm...bacon.

Dixon813 · July 2014

I can't stand most texting "shorthand".

U for you. Thx for thanks. 4 to replace for. Those are the main ones that come to mind.

rockstarlaw · July 2014

misskristina21 said:
All breakfast foods besides bacon and French toast are nasty.

Mmm...bacon.

This is crazy talk. Yes, bacon & French toast are good - but so are so many other types of breakfast foods! Omelettes! Eggs! Toast! Pancakes! Basically all of them except grits!

ETA: SAUSAGE!

PoppySeedWindsor · July 2014

UO (but maybe not?): I hate when non-moms look at my baby and say, "Oooooooooh! I want one of those!!!!!"

She's not ONE OF THOSE you moron. And you do you REALLY have ANY idea what goes into parenting? It's not all smiles and giggles and dressing her up in adorable clothes you twat.

Confession: I may or may not be dealing with an acquaintance who does this all the GD time.

olenkapdx · July 2014

ImnAtari said:

i cant eat bacon anymore, it was a huge aversion when i was pregnant and the idea of it still turns me off...

I am not as in love with bacon as I was pre-pregnancy. I am just realizing this!

This is probably a good thing.

rockstarlaw · July 2014

I am sorry, @ImnAtari‌

fireflygirl12 · July 2014

The thing that bothers me most about politics in the news is how up in arms people get without doing their own research. Be informed before you go on your rant.

fireflygirl12 · July 2014

My UO: STM+ don't know more about all the things than FTMs. It bugs me when STM+ moms get this btdt attitude. I just had a baby 18 months before this one and there are tons of things I don't remember, and tons of things that are different from child to child. I've gotten a lot of great advice from FTMs - both on this board and IRL.

Themaritimemama · July 2014

My UO (which is obviously very UO today) is that I hate discussing politics, healthcare and religion. I'm not in a position to participate with the discussions about politics and healthcare (aside from not really caring for either) and religion talks make me ragey. Opinions are like assholes... everyone has one, and no one thinks theirs stinks.

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