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  • BMom99BMom99 member
    My kid has the attention span of a gnat and I would love if I could get him to watch a cartoon every once in awhile.  I have tried in the mornings when I am getting dressed but he doesn't want any part of it!


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    Emilyusc211 said:
    KuhaBaby said:
    Here's a UO that may get things started:

    While I agree the term "Redskin" is a a slang and inappropriate name for a race of people, I do not equate it to the "N Word." 

    I can see why people make the comparison, it's probably the closest thing you can compare it to, but it is not the same. It is used in sports, though in a misguided and ignorant way, as a term to represent positive aspects of a race of people. The "N Word" is absolutely never ever used to mean anything positive or good. 

    (Obviously this comes from the discussion of the Washington Redskins as a sports franchise)


    TL:DR : "Redskin" is totes derogatory, but it is oversimplifying by saying it is equal in every way to N word.
    Did you ever learn about what this country did to native Americans when we took their land? Shit is horrifying. Who says it's used it a positive light? I think if that race is offended, who are we to say it's not? It's totally the same in my book. Maybe because I grew up near reservations, have cousins that are native I understand it better. I was a big fan of the fighting Sioux, which I think is way less offensive than redskins... If the fighting Sioux had the give up the name, I think redskins should too.
    Also, I totally never said it wasn't offensive. It absolutely is, in every way. My argument is that it is not completely equal to the use of the N word. 
    So your argument is that, because the use of the word was intended as a 'compliment' of sorts, it's not as offensive as the n word? Or are there other reasons it's not as offensive.
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  • Jalee85Jalee85 member
    I have so many feels with this UO.

    I prefer Diet Coke over regular Coke, but I love Pepsi.

    It blows my mind on how controversial ear piercing still is. You feel bad for my child because she is loved, well fed, and clothed? I feel I did her a favor. It's a painful event she won't have to deal with. She will never remember, and it hurt her less than shots. If she don't like it she can take them out. I'm not trying to change anybody's mind. It's just crazy that DD having earrings can people think negatively about me!

    Red Skin is just as offensive as the N word. However sleepy is right. We have been desensitized to it. Which is why we can say the word Redskin, but refer to the N word as the N word. It doesn't matter if we think using natives as mascots is a compliment. It's not. It hurtful to them. Now I don't get it, but we should respect that. I am an UND fan because of where I live. However, I grew up a Fighting Irish fan. Guess what I'm mostly Irish, and most Irish folks aren't upset and are proud of it.


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  • carawasacarawasa member
    SO ear piercing I would like to get Emma's done since she already had earrings but I'm nervous that she's going to pull on them...I'm so torn??!

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    This is why I pierced her ears at 4 months. This way I knew she couldn't pull them out. Nor would her dirty hands get the earrings infected. I'm not sure what YD would do, but D doesn't even notice that they are there. Obviously they aren't healing though.
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  • carawasacarawasa member
    @jalee85 yea I wanted to but my pedi had suggested to wait after her 6mo shots. I'm kind of afraid to take a chance now! How come her ears are not healing?
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  • Jenball717Jenball717 member
    Has anybody else watched the original Peter Pan cartoon recently? There is a lot in it that I found offensive when it comes to the scenes with the Indians. I didn't want my daughter to see some of it but figured it was a good opportunity to talk to her about the history there and the misrepresentation of the culture. But, I highly doubt all kids watching that get the same explanation. Should Disney edit that or is it artistic expression or history or something?
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    carawasa said:

    @jalee85 yea I wanted to but my pedi had suggested to wait after her 6mo shots. I'm kind of afraid to take a chance now! How come her ears are not healing?

    No they are healed. What I meant was that she isn't pulling on them currently. However, she isn't dealing with the itchiness of healing. Like YD would be dealing with. All I know is it's only going to get worse with them realizing what is in their ears. I know too many kids to scared to get their ears pierced when they are toddlers and young children. So it never happens. I would rather do it when they don't remember the pain. Also , be prepared for it to be the ice breaker in every conversation you have. I find most people are really positive about it. I had one test waffle who was drunk and I wanted to punch in face. She said they she was a Mom of kids my age, and she would never do such a horrible thing....grrr
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  • stephl3055stephl3055 member
    edited June 2014
    Jenball717 said:
    Has anybody else watched the original Peter Pan cartoon recently? There is a lot in it that I found offensive when it comes to the scenes with the Indians. I didn't want my daughter to see some of it but figured it was a good opportunity to talk to her about the history there and the misrepresentation of the culture. But, I highly doubt all kids watching that get the same explanation. Should Disney edit that or is it artistic expression or history or something?
    There are a lot of the older Disney movies that I don't think I'll show to my kids, like Dumbo, for that exact reason.  I think I'll just stick with the newer ones.  

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    Emilyusc211 said:

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    As far as the term "redskins," I think it is absolutely equal to derogatory terms for other races. The problem is that our society has been desensitized due to the assimilation of Native Americans and the sad lack of education of Native American history. As a US History teacher, I find the amount of national or state standards regarding early Americans and their history is appalling.

    I think the terms SHOULD be equal and hold equal weight but I don't think they do.

    had to be obnoxious and use caps cause I can't bold on mobile.
    You're right...I find them equal because I am NA. But they are not considered the same by society as a whole.

    @Jenball717‌ Peter Pan is a wonderful story; it's even the theme behind LO's room. However, the Disney version is very insensitive. I wish more parents would take the time to discuss the background info. I wish someone would even discuss it with the parents!
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    BMom99 said:
    My kid has the attention span of a gnat and I would love if I could get him to watch a cartoon every once in awhile.  I have tried in the mornings when I am getting dressed but he doesn't want any part of it!
    Our LO has nothing to do with t.v. until a song comes on-then he is glued to the t.v. Once the music is over, he is done again. 


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  • ncase2ncase2 member
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    Redskin - offensive, derogatory, overused and originally, I believe, was said with hatred. We just don't remember that far back because the name started back in the colonization of the country. The N word was used more recently (last 100 years), and has received more media attention.

    Ear piercing: I maintain that it should be the child's decision, and until they're old enough to make that decision, I wouldn't do it. 

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    One colored nail is weird, but to each their own.

    Regular soda all day. I'd rather take sugar and corn syrup than artificial shit that kills mice. However, I know @Amjoy25 will tell you that sugar will kill you too :)

    My UO: This may be highly controversial, but I don't like when children have a sex change, or are labeled as "gay / lesbian". I don't think children are fully capable of making that kind of life decision, and even if they think something is different / wrong (like, I'm in the wrong body), I still think they need to mature a bit more before heading down that road. Little boys should be able to wear pink, try on mom's shoes, put lipstick on, etc., and parent's shouldn't step in and claim that he's a she and start throwing around labels. I understand trying to support your kids, but I think anything before puberty should just be labeled as "kids being kids" and left at that.

    Along the same note, I think people need to be more careful with how they phrase things around kids. If you say "he/she doesn't like broccoli" to your mom in front of the kid, they're going to internalize that and think they don't like broccoli. Or are not good at school / reading / math / etc. Parent's don't realize the power they have over little minds.
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    tyrannosaurusbeck said:

    Not sure if this is a what grinds more gears or a UO...maybe both.


    The world is not your ashtray. I'm so sick of walking around pretty much anywhere and seeing cigarette butts. It's disgusting!

    Feeling ragey because some woman was just flicking her cigarette next to where she could have thrown it out and it almost hit me....


    My H is the same way. He CANNOT stand to see someone flick a cigarette out of a moving car.
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  • LC122LC122 member
    Prepare to be shocked.
    I think it's sad that when people reach out for support about considering weaning, they get more responses of the ilk "I stopped BF or pumping and I don't feel guilty" than "It can be hard sometimes, but you can do it".

    I guess I consider any hassle of BF or pumping to be just like any other "hassle" or inconvenience of having a baby - it's temporary. Just like I commit to changing diapers until they are potty trained, I'll commit to BF or pumping as long as it is beneficial and desired.

    ::dons flame suit::

    Also, I wish people would post multiple UOs separately because I can't bring myself to lovetit a post I have mixed feelings about.
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  • Foofie&thebeanFoofie&thebean member
    My UO: I don't think gastric bypass or lap band surgery actually helps most people who have it done. A fair amount of people I know that have gotten it done, have gained the weight back. You aren't changing habits by having your stomach surgically made smaller and most likely after a few years of continuing bad habits, will gain back the weight you lost.

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    LC122 said:

    Prepare to be shocked.
    I think it's sad that when people reach out for support about considering weaning, they get more responses of the ilk "I stopped BF or pumping and I don't feel guilty" than "It can be hard sometimes, but you can do it".

    I guess I consider any hassle of BF or pumping to be just like any other "hassle" or inconvenience of having a baby - it's temporary. Just like I commit to changing diapers until they are potty trained, I'll commit to BF or pumping as long as it is beneficial and desired.

    ::dons flame suit::

    Also, I wish people would post multiple UOs separately because I can't bring myself to lovetit a post I have mixed feelings about.

    Duuude, you just did the exact thing you are complaining about! I love tit one of these thoughts and have nothing left to say on the other topic. Bets on which is which? ;;)
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  • Foofie&thebeanFoofie&thebean member
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    This has been covered, and obviously, I don't agree with you. I do weight loss for a living, and I have MANY patients that needed gastric bypass as a last resort to save their lives and/or make their quality of life better. There are a few that, yes, gain the weight back because they have not fully committed to changing their habits and/or their emotional states, but the majority of people I know have done really well, and are living day to day trying to remember why they did the surgery in the first place. It's a daily struggle, one that I don't pretend to understand.

    Sooooo, maybe the people you know that have failed did not have the support they needed to make it a life long commitment?


    I think after this much time most of the UO's anymore have been covered, sorry for the repeat.

    It's possible that the support is not there for the people I have known who have gained there weight back. I feel like many thought it was an easy fix.

    My brother has battled with his weight most of his life and considered gastric bypass for health reasons and I know if he had gotten it done he would have fallen back into bad eating habits and gained the weight back. Instead he has worked really hard and lost over 100lbs. He still has a bit more to go but For him because he worked so hard to do it he will keep that weight off.

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    Foofie&thebean said:


    I think your brother is an example of someone who had the option to lose the weight on his own and was able to accomplish it, and I'm happy for him!
    But for many, surgery is the last option, and I have many patients doing well with their surgeries. You, and others, shouldn't generalize the overweight population who choose surgery as in need of a "quick fix"; because surgery is absolutely no walk in the park. It's a tough road ahead for these patients.

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  • Jalee85Jalee85 member
    edited June 2014
    btimes3 said:

    Since race-related stuff has come up, here goes. As the mother of a mixed race child, I get kind of tired of hearing people say how omgbeautiful! biracial/multi-racial children are. It smacks of fetishization and it just weirds me out. I don't even know what to say to these comments. When DH and I were first dating, so many (OMG soooooooo many) of my friends would gush over how beautiful our future babies would be because "mixed babies are the cutest." I even got "mulatto children are so beautiful" a time or two. Wow...thanks?

    In a similar vein, DD was five months old before I finally realized that the reason so many people said she looks like DH--or, when he wasn't with us, "She takes after your husband, right?"--is because her skin is somewhat darker than mine. I kept thinking she looks so much like me and it was making me feel bad that hardly anyone saw it. Apparently, that's because all they noticed was slightly different melanin levels.

    That last bit was more of a rant, sorry.

    I have friends who have had similar feelings about this. All I want to say is that 20 years ago a mixed child would get a lot of derogatory responses. At least now times are changing. Society is being changed to think of bi-racial children as beautiful. They are just as beautiful as any other child, but it's just societal brainwashing at work.

    No one thinks D looks like me. Why, because she has blonde hair. Oh the horror! She must take after DH because I have dark brown hair and DH had light brown. In fact they say she has his eyes. Sorry nope, nope, nope she has my eyes. No doubt about it. However, they can't see pass my brown hair compared to her blond hair. She is my mini-me 120% Unfortunately, the world is a very visual place. People make assumptions based on differences. Even if they are not true


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  • GearUpGearUp member
    Too many things to quote.
    Redskin is just as bad as the n word. Honestly, I hear the n word thrown around in a "positive" way all the time here, so I don't believe that that word is always meant in a negative or hurtful manner. Is that right, no, but it is what it is.
    Ear piercing. I don't get it. I seriously don't get it. Your little baby is indeed a human, right? So why so anything permenant and painful for cosmetic purposes. I liken it to an adult being forced to have his or her nose pierced but then given the option to remove it if they didn't want it. And what pain are you saving your child from? It is a pinch, and a little soreness. I say wait until a child can care for it, can understand what it entails and can ask for it. I had my ears pierced when I was five/six and I had asked my mother to let me have earrings. I no longer wear earrings, but do have a visible scar in each ear from the piercings. And the people compare ear piercing to circumscion kill me. One is intended to better the health of a child (though there is a large debate on this topic) while the other does nothing to promote the health of the child and simulataneously increases the risk of infection. (No benefits plus unnessecary risks).
    Do I think it's child abuse, no. I think it can be tad bit selfish, but it isn't truly harming the child. I also lump in little girls (particularly African American girls) having their hair relaxed/permed/tightly braided. It is painful, bad for the hair and done just for cosmetic purposes. Pointless, to me, unfair to the child.
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    We (as a country) are skating a fine line when it comes to freedom of speech vs. popular opinion. From the racist Clippers owner to the chick fil a scandal, the outcry is crazy. Do I agree with them, no. Do I support their right to those opinions.....absolutely. It seems that everyone and anyone feels that these people can't have these opinions, because it goes against what is socially acceptable and popular right now. Popular opinion is not always right, humane or beneficial to the majority, so there might come a day where I have an opinion that strays from what is popular and I want the right to have that opinion.
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  • Foofie&thebeanFoofie&thebean member
    Amjoy25 said:


    Foofie&thebean said:



    I think your brother is an example of someone who had the option to lose the weight on his own and was able to accomplish it, and I'm happy for him!
    But for many, surgery is the last option, and I have many patients doing well with their surgeries. You, and others, shouldn't generalize the overweight population who choose surgery as in need of a "quick fix"; because surgery is absolutely no walk in the park. It's a tough road ahead for these patients.


    I don't generalize all the overweight population who have had surgery as using it as a quick fix. My original uo did not say ALL people who have had gastric bypass. I'm using the people I have seen as a reference, as are you, And all I'm saying is the people I know have not kept that weight off.

    My comment of a quick fix was an answer to your question of whether these people had the support. The people I have met could all eat healthier and exercise to loose the weight and most have tried fad diets and because they didn't see fast results, never stuck it out.

    Obviously in your line of work you see a different experience with such things than I do.

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