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Re: UO

  • I'm a little tired of hearing people reference "Lean In," and I haven't even read it yet. Also, I think some people who are always talking about it haven't read it either.

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  • Mine's heavy:

    I have mixed feelings on military deserter's. (sp?) On one hand, they should be punished as what they've done is illegal and that's the way the U.S. has always handled this. On the other, the military does some ridiculous shit that I can see warranting someone deserting. (I'll reference Vietnam and soldiers who were tested on with Agent Orange who went AWOL)


                                                        [MC 11.20.11] [DS born 9.24.12] [DD born 10.15.14]

  • Eastie156 said:

    Mine's heavy:

    I have mixed feelings on military deserter's. (sp?) On one hand, they should be punished as what they've done is illegal and that's the way the U.S. has always handled this. On the other, the military does some ridiculous shit that I can see warranting someone deserting. (I'll reference Vietnam and soldiers who were tested on with Agent Orange who went AWOL)

    I'm admittedly ignorant about this. Now I want to read up on all of it.

    In general though, I don't think the military does a good job of taking care of their own.
    My experience has been mainly positive.  For example--awesome insurance.  Seriously.  Can.not.beat.it.  My birth cost $34 OOP.  Total.  Most people I know *currently* serving are pretty happy with how the military has treated them and their families--from base housing to providing spousal support networks to education benefits.  It is a lifestyle--it's not for everyone.  People signing up, especially with families, need to take that into consideration.  But I don't think it's always been this way, and the issues with the VA are absolutely appalling and have been for a long time.  I'm glad it finally got brought to light--ask any vet about VA care and they'll tell you it's hugely problematic.  
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  • FFTC: Ever since I watched that Netflix documentary about sexual assault in the military, my perception has been completely skewed.
    Fair enough.  But did that documentary detail all of the ways the military is currently attempting to address sexual assault?  
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  • Hyaline said:
    Eastie156 said:

    Mine's heavy:

    I have mixed feelings on military deserter's. (sp?) On one hand, they should be punished as what they've done is illegal and that's the way the U.S. has always handled this. On the other, the military does some ridiculous shit that I can see warranting someone deserting. (I'll reference Vietnam and soldiers who were tested on with Agent Orange who went AWOL)

    They took an oath.  To me, it comes back to that--it means something.  And yeah, the military *has done* some ridiculous shit but to my knowledge no one is *currently* a human guinea pig.  No one should be signing up for the military right now under the impression that it's a happy cakewalk of unicorn farts and rainbows--I think the reality is pretty clear at this point that it's dangerous and difficult and you might have to do things you don't want to do.

    If something is being done that's truly beyond the pale, it's not like there are no options except desertion.  Report that shit up the line, reach out.  It's probably just one kooknut officer, not a systematic problem.

    And deserters aren't just arbitrarily punished.  They're tried by court martial--there is a system of justice involved, which is what is driving me BATTY about 95% of the FB posts I've seen about this issue.  No, you can't just take deserters out back and shoot them.  Sorry.  It's called "trial first."
     
    Stuck in a quote- It's not quite that simple to report to the front line and expect results. I'll admittedly disclose that my UO comes from a personal family matter and that's why I feel this way. The U.S. government and military is a great thing, but it's also a dangerous and secretive animal. I have no idea what's happened to any of the guys during Desert Storm or more recent tours in Afghanistan, etc. No idea if they've been tested on. I agree it's dangerous. I agree you take an oath. But I also agree that it's not as simple as "suck it up"


                                                        [MC 11.20.11] [DS born 9.24.12] [DD born 10.15.14]

  • Hyaline said:
    Eastie156 said:

    Mine's heavy:

    I have mixed feelings on military deserter's. (sp?) On one hand, they should be punished as what they've done is illegal and that's the way the U.S. has always handled this. On the other, the military does some ridiculous shit that I can see warranting someone deserting. (I'll reference Vietnam and soldiers who were tested on with Agent Orange who went AWOL)

    I'm admittedly ignorant about this. Now I want to read up on all of it.

    In general though, I don't think the military does a good job of taking care of their own.
    My experience has been mainly positive.  For example--awesome insurance.  Seriously.  Can.not.beat.it.  My birth cost $34 OOP.  Total.  Most people I know *currently* serving are pretty happy with how the military has treated them and their families--from base housing to providing spousal support networks to education benefits.  It is a lifestyle--it's not for everyone.  People signing up, especially with families, need to take that into consideration.  But I don't think it's always been this way, and the issues with the VA are absolutely appalling and have been for a long time.  I'm glad it finally got brought to light--ask any vet about VA care and they'll tell you it's hugely problematic.  
    The VA medical system is atrocious. It's fine for any Veteran who just needs basic care. But for anyone with extended care, diseases, etc it's a nightmare. The V.A. is also different for Veterans than it was 30 years ago. It's under fire more to provide better care.


                                                        [MC 11.20.11] [DS born 9.24.12] [DD born 10.15.14]

  • My UO: I don't think it's appropriate for ultrasound technicians to use equipment on themselves.

    Re: helping people with funds for adoption or fertility treatments, I wouldn't mind donating to a very close friend who mentioned they needed help. It really depends on how people ask.
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  • Eastie156 said:

    Mine's heavy:

    I have mixed feelings on military deserter's. (sp?) On one hand, they should be punished as what they've done is illegal and that's the way the U.S. has always handled this. On the other, the military does some ridiculous shit that I can see warranting someone deserting. (I'll reference Vietnam and soldiers who were tested on with Agent Orange who went AWOL)

    I'm admittedly ignorant about this. Now I want to read up on all of it.

    In general though, I don't think the military does a good job of taking care of their own.
    I agree. My parents are Vietnam era. My Dad was drafted. He didn't have a choice. He wasn't taken care of. The VA healthcare system dropped the ball on a lot of Vietnam Veterans. He was one of MANY troups tested on with Agent Orange right in this country. Agent Orange causes cancer and lots of other health problems. My Dad waited 30 years for full benefits from the VA. 30 YEARS ! And even after that, they only repaid 15 of the 30....so, yeah I have bad feelings toward the Veteran's Administration as a whole. I do have good feelings about our troups though. They take on a huge, brave task and I hold a huge amount of respect for them.


                                                        [MC 11.20.11] [DS born 9.24.12] [DD born 10.15.14]

  • Hyaline said:
    FFTC: Ever since I watched that Netflix documentary about sexual assault in the military, my perception has been completely skewed.
    Fair enough.  But did that documentary detail all of the ways the military is currently attempting to address sexual assault?  
    Some, yes. Mostly "how to not be a victim" bullshit propaganda, which is obviously pointless. And posters. They put up posters!

    And yeah, currently military folks have it generally pretty good, it's getting out that can have some serious problems, as you mentioned with the VA. That program is all sorts of bass akwards.
    So, the documentary is either outdated or blatantly lied.  

    My husband has to do a ton of training on preventing sexual assault, and train his sailors.  Not just on how women can stay safe from predators (which I do think is legit, both in the military and on college campuses and everywhere else), but what men should do to prevent assault. Avoiding buddy culture and all that shit. It's mandatory. One of his sailors missed the training and he spent hours on the phone with the guy.  If any of his sailors were to be involved in assaulting someone, he could be held accountable, even if he had no part in anything--but because he's their officer.  They're really taking this, from what I can tell, very seriously.
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  • I'll join in today.
     Speaking along the lines of setting up funding for people in need, I found it to be a little extreme when a fb friend of mine had a child with down syndrome and immediately started a fund to help with medical bills. Neither parent had health insurance, so the bills were astronomical. I understand asking here and there, but launching a gofundme account and shopping it around on facebook left me feeling icky. The father got a job with the city so he'd get insurance, but then started a food truck and parked it outside of a grocery store the entire summer. They got in trouble for not following code, so then they started a gofundme account to start their legit food truck business, all in the name of their child. 

    I don't want to come off as a heartless bastard-- I get that it must be incredibly difficult and I'm not against some financial  help for individuals who are down and out... but there were no gofundme accounts 10-15 years ago... people can manage. 

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  • MRoxy0628 said:

    My UO: I don't think it's appropriate for ultrasound technicians to use equipment on themselves.

    Re: helping people with funds for adoption or fertility treatments, I wouldn't mind donating to a very close friend who mentioned they needed help. It really depends on how people ask.

    Why do you say that? Not snark, just curious.

    I see it similarly to using an at home doppler (or me going to the ER to use theirs) or taking your own BP, or giving yourself insulin. If someone is trained to do it and is doing it correctly, I don't understand why it isn't appropriate.


    Maybe appropriate isn't the right word? It just rubs me the wrong way. I don't see it the same as a Doppler that I purchased for at home use. They would be using work equipment and likely during work hours. And from what I've read on here about people who do it, it's pretty regularly. Don't get me wrong, I would have a hard time resisting too. If the company allows it then it's not an issue, but it seems odd to me that a hospital would be okay with that.
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  • Well this is dumb for a lot of reasons. A kid with a DS diagnosis will be declared disabled and can receive SSI and SSDI, as well as Medicare/Medicaid.
    Wow. I wondered about that. That makes me feel worse. So really their gofundme is literally "go fund us". Ick. 

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    DD-7/2015
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  • Hyaline said:
    jessk86 said:
    Pancakes are better than waffles.
    This can't possibly be an unpopular opinion!




    I think it's uncouth to set up a fertility fund and post it to random strangers. In one of the BST groups I am in, there is a girl who posts a link to her page every morning. Maybe it's not so much that she's asking random strangers to help pay for their treatments, because I guess if you can get money from strangers to help your cause then more power to you, but more that along with the post, she puts "you guys have only raised X amount of dollars so far, not even close to our 5000 goal! Please help". 
    The wording and delivery seem ungrateful to me. 
    I think 90% of the fundraising and similar posts I've seen on Facebook from friends and friends sharing friends' stuff are completely inappropriate.  IMO this kind of thing is for helping people who are in trouble, not for funding wants in your life.  Like my friend's travels to Australia.  Or someone writing a book and wanting to quit their job.  Nope.  You are not entitled to that shit.

    The giant UO part of this is that I feel like fertility treatments and adoption fall into that category, too.  You're not starving or about to get kicked out of your house or going to die of cancer without expensive treatments, there's something you want out of life and it's not financially feasible.  That sucks, but I'm not personally funding your life goals, even if they're worthy ones like having a child biologically or adopting a kid from Nigeria or whatever.
    Hey, I want to write a book! I never knew I could collect donations!

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  • MRoxy0628 said:

    MRoxy0628 said:
    My UO: I don't think it's appropriate for ultrasound technicians to use equipment on themselves. Re: helping people with funds for adoption or fertility treatments, I wouldn't mind donating to a very close friend who mentioned they needed help. It really depends on how people ask.
    Why do you say that? Not snark, just curious.

    I see it similarly to using an at home doppler (or me going to the ER to use theirs) or taking your own BP, or giving yourself insulin. If someone is trained to do it and is doing it correctly, I don't understand why it isn't appropriate.
    Maybe appropriate isn't the right word? It just rubs me the wrong way. I don't see it the same as a Doppler that I purchased for at home use. They would be using work equipment and likely during work hours. And from what I've read on here about people who do it, it's pretty regularly. Don't get me wrong, I would have a hard time resisting too. If the company allows it then it's not an issue, but it seems odd to me that a hospital would be okay with that.
    Do you ever use your desk phone, paper, notepad to jot a quick list, ink in your pen to write something for personal use? Same thing.

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  • MRoxy0628 said:

    MRoxy0628 said:
    My UO: I don't think it's appropriate for ultrasound technicians to use equipment on themselves. Re: helping people with funds for adoption or fertility treatments, I wouldn't mind donating to a very close friend who mentioned they needed help. It really depends on how people ask.
    Why do you say that? Not snark, just curious.

    I see it similarly to using an at home doppler (or me going to the ER to use theirs) or taking your own BP, or giving yourself insulin. If someone is trained to do it and is doing it correctly, I don't understand why it isn't appropriate.
    Maybe appropriate isn't the right word? It just rubs me the wrong way. I don't see it the same as a Doppler that I purchased for at home use. They would be using work equipment and likely during work hours. And from what I've read on here about people who do it, it's pretty regularly. Don't get me wrong, I would have a hard time resisting too. If the company allows it then it's not an issue, but it seems odd to me that a hospital would be okay with that.
    Do you ever use your desk phone, paper, notepad to jot a quick list, ink in your pen to write something for personal use? Same thing.

    I don't think it's the same thing at all. You can find out some serious things from an ultrasound.
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  • MRoxy0628 said:
    My UO: I don't think it's appropriate for ultrasound technicians to use equipment on themselves. Re: helping people with funds for adoption or fertility treatments, I wouldn't mind donating to a very close friend who mentioned they needed help. It really depends on how people ask.
    Why do you say that? Not snark, just curious.

    I see it similarly to using an at home doppler (or me going to the ER to use theirs) or taking your own BP, or giving yourself insulin. If someone is trained to do it and is doing it correctly, I don't understand why it isn't appropriate.
    I don't care if they use it on themselves. I do think it's unethical of them to use it on a friend, however, if the friend is not a patient.

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  • MRoxy0628 said:
    MRoxy0628 said:

    MRoxy0628 said:
    My UO: I don't think it's appropriate for ultrasound technicians to use equipment on themselves. Re: helping people with funds for adoption or fertility treatments, I wouldn't mind donating to a very close friend who mentioned they needed help. It really depends on how people ask.
    Why do you say that? Not snark, just curious.

    I see it similarly to using an at home doppler (or me going to the ER to use theirs) or taking your own BP, or giving yourself insulin. If someone is trained to do it and is doing it correctly, I don't understand why it isn't appropriate.
    Maybe appropriate isn't the right word? It just rubs me the wrong way. I don't see it the same as a Doppler that I purchased for at home use. They would be using work equipment and likely during work hours. And from what I've read on here about people who do it, it's pretty regularly. Don't get me wrong, I would have a hard time resisting too. If the company allows it then it's not an issue, but it seems odd to me that a hospital would be okay with that.
    Do you ever use your desk phone, paper, notepad to jot a quick list, ink in your pen to write something for personal use? Same thing.

    I don't think it's the same thing at all. You can find out some serious things from an ultrasound.
    I can find out some serious shit by googling/cyberstalking people while on work time too.  It's totally the same thing.  Just a different definition of serious.


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  • FFTC: I am afraid I'm becoming obsessive over getting pregnant again. I did that the first time, too. We are only starting to try this month and it's consuming my thoughts. I wish I could relax and enjoy the adventure. 

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  • MRoxy0628 said:
    MRoxy0628 said:

    MRoxy0628 said:
    My UO: I don't think it's appropriate for ultrasound technicians to use equipment on themselves. Re: helping people with funds for adoption or fertility treatments, I wouldn't mind donating to a very close friend who mentioned they needed help. It really depends on how people ask.
    Why do you say that? Not snark, just curious.

    I see it similarly to using an at home doppler (or me going to the ER to use theirs) or taking your own BP, or giving yourself insulin. If someone is trained to do it and is doing it correctly, I don't understand why it isn't appropriate.
    Maybe appropriate isn't the right word? It just rubs me the wrong way. I don't see it the same as a Doppler that I purchased for at home use. They would be using work equipment and likely during work hours. And from what I've read on here about people who do it, it's pretty regularly. Don't get me wrong, I would have a hard time resisting too. If the company allows it then it's not an issue, but it seems odd to me that a hospital would be okay with that.
    Do you ever use your desk phone, paper, notepad to jot a quick list, ink in your pen to write something for personal use? Same thing.

    I don't think it's the same thing at all. You can find out some serious things from an ultrasound.
    I'm not sure how that's a bad thing. If a person discovered something serious they could bring it to their doctors attention. Probably faster than it would have originally been found. Why is that bad?
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    Well, while it might not be the best thing to do, if I were an U/S tech, I would be all over my belly.
    I would be stalking baby's genital development starting at like 12w.
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    The comeback of rompers is possibly my current favorite clothing trend.

    Once 2.0 is birthed, I am going to buy all of the rompers.

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  • BPer said:
    The comeback of rompers is possibly my current favorite clothing trend.

    Once 2.0 is birthed, I am going to buy all of the rompers.

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    I just said this to my BFF yesterday. Except the 2.0 part. I'm ready to rock the rompers like yesterday! My friend said we are too old. No way!!!
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    Adult onesies are my least favorite fashion trend.
    Not onesies, LL.  Rompers!

    A friend of mine posted a pic of herself in long-john style onesie pjs from VS this past winter.  The camel toe was ridiculous.
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  • DH used the doppler on the ambulances to check for LO heartbeat when I was having anxiety about it.  He did it several times and nobody cared, because they so rarely used it, they considered it testing the equipment and they knew in an emergency he would know how to find one.  

    All of these gofundme/ personal fundraisers things give me anxiety.  We plan to fundraise for DH's transplant and the medical costs prior to and afterwards and the donor costs.  I am fearful people will feel the same way about that.  If we could pay for it all on our own, we would in a heartbeat, but honestly, we never thought to prepare for this....

    UO:  News stations should be held liable for poor reporting.  You cannot say it is the 3rd officer involved shooting in as many weeks.  It is true when you are talking about the state, but not that particular town.  
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  • BPer said:
    Adult onesies are my least favorite fashion trend.
    Not onesies, LL.  Rompers!

    A friend of mine posted a pic of herself in long-john style onesie pjs from VS this past winter.  The camel toe was ridiculous.
    These are adorable on the right body type. No way will this look good with my DD's. Ick. 

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    melody921 said:
    BPer said:
    The comeback of rompers is possibly my current favorite clothing trend.

    Once 2.0 is birthed, I am going to buy all of the rompers.
    I HATE rompers on grown women.
    I hate you.

    Kidding.

    I am going to rock the shit out of them.  Just you wait, s12.
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    I think rompers are cute.  I think I could actually look cute in one.  I just can't do it.  I don't know why.  Maybe part of it is having to pull the whole thing off when I have to pee.

    Note to @BPer  Holding the pee in is not as easy after the second one.  Just something to think about.  
    :D
    It's either a romper or a dress, shorts look horrible on me.  If I'm going to pee myself, it seems like the romper provides a little extra protection. ;)
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    MRoxy0628 said:
    MRoxy0628 said:

    MRoxy0628 said:
    My UO: I don't think it's appropriate for ultrasound technicians to use equipment on themselves. Re: helping people with funds for adoption or fertility treatments, I wouldn't mind donating to a very close friend who mentioned they needed help. It really depends on how people ask.
    Why do you say that? Not snark, just curious.

    I see it similarly to using an at home doppler (or me going to the ER to use theirs) or taking your own BP, or giving yourself insulin. If someone is trained to do it and is doing it correctly, I don't understand why it isn't appropriate.
    Maybe appropriate isn't the right word? It just rubs me the wrong way. I don't see it the same as a Doppler that I purchased for at home use. They would be using work equipment and likely during work hours. And from what I've read on here about people who do it, it's pretty regularly. Don't get me wrong, I would have a hard time resisting too. If the company allows it then it's not an issue, but it seems odd to me that a hospital would be okay with that.
    Do you ever use your desk phone, paper, notepad to jot a quick list, ink in your pen to write something for personal use? Same thing.

    I don't think it's the same thing at all. You can find out some serious things from an ultrasound.
    But isn't that part of the reason why they are doing it. One to see their cute squish and Two to ensure everything is looking good. If they notice something, they bring it to their doctor's attention. I don't see how that is a bad thing.

    I see it as any other perk to a job. I get discounted interest rates and free banking consultation as a perk to my job. They get free access to the machines they are trained to use.

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