*UO*

Re: *UO*

• LightBright515 member

  May 2014

  I think fertility medications and treatment are directly related to the increase in reported cases of autism, allergies, etc.
  
  Not knocking them, but I'm suspicious.

  Report0 Reply
• Loading the player...
• DreadGamerWife member

  May 2014

  LightBright515 said:

  I think fertility medications and treatment are directly related to the increase in reported cases of autism, allergies, etc. Not knocking them, but I'm suspicious.

  I am so angry, I don't think I can respond to this.

  Married 10/06

  Baby Girl "C" arrived on 10/07/14 (39 weeks, 6 days)

  
  

   

  Report13 Reply
• wildflower75 member

  May 2014

  LightBright515 said...
  
  I think that the increase of vaccinations are directly related to the increase in reported cases of autism, allergies, etc.
  We never had this many vaccinations growing up...
  

          
  

  
  

  
  

  Report0 Reply
• Emerald27 member

  May 2014 edited May 2014

  Oh man. This is not going to go well... :-O
  
  Let's see some science, ladies. Don't just toss out those opinions as though they've been corroborated. I demand evidence! ::Insert gavel gif::

  
  

  
  

  

  Report18 Reply
• ariel06 member

  May 2014

  wildflower75 said:

  LightBright515 said...
  
  I think that the increase of vaccinations are directly related to the increase in reported cases of autism, allergies, etc.
  We never had this many vaccinations growing up...
  

  The data used to connect autism and vaccinations has been proven to be faulty.  I prefer not to take my medical advice from a former playboy bunny.

  I'm much more inclined to think the allergies are from pollution and the increase of chemicals in our environment.  

  
  

  
  

  

  Report33 Reply
• Littledeer84 member

  May 2014

  Whoa whoa whoa...

  

  

  Report0 Reply
• youngin12 member

  May 2014

  LightBright515 said:

  I think fertility medications and treatment are directly related to the increase in reported cases of autism, allergies, etc. Not knocking them, but I'm suspicious.

  Bless your ignorant heart.
  

  **TTC since 10/2009** **BFP 4/15/12- Dx Molar Pregnancy- Surgery 5/15/12 & 5/22/12** **BFP 1/23/14- 1st Beta (1/24/14) 171 2nd Beta (1/28/14) 860**

  Report5 Reply
• golfingdarwinfish member

  May 2014

  It's not even 9:30am and the scientist in me is already.....

  
  

  
  

  

  
  

  But mainly...

  
  

  

  
  

  I'm going to go snuggle with PubMed (full access!  thanks employer!) and hope it makes me feel better.
  

  
  

  Loss Blog (finally updated)
  

  
  

   

  
  

   

  

  5 cycles of "TTC" - 3 intentional, 2 not so intentional.  5 BFPs.  My rainbow arrived 10/15/14.
  TFMC 08.02.13 at 19+ weeks. Everyday I grieve for my little Olive.
  
  

  Report24 Reply
• golfingdarwinfish member

  May 2014 edited May 2014

  ariel06 said:

  wildflower75 said:

  LightBright515 said...
  
  I think that the increase of vaccinations are directly related to the increase in reported cases of autism, allergies, etc.
  We never had this many vaccinations growing up...
  

  The data used to connect autism and vaccinations has been proven to be faulty.  I prefer not to take my medical advice from a former playboy bunny.

  I'm much more inclined to think the allergies are from pollution and the increase of chemicals in our environment.  

  
  

  
  

  Yes, and I'll just leave this link here for anyone who actually wants to read about Andrew Wakefield and the data and findings that he falsified (not to mention patients he actually harmed) to ultimately feed his own financial interests. 

  Loss Blog (finally updated)
  

  
  

   

  
  

   

  

  5 cycles of "TTC" - 3 intentional, 2 not so intentional.  5 BFPs.  My rainbow arrived 10/15/14.
  TFMC 08.02.13 at 19+ weeks. Everyday I grieve for my little Olive.
  
  

  Report18 Reply
• Emerald27 member

  May 2014

  @VCGolfNYC‌ Can you link some of what you find on PubMed (or do we have to be able to log in)? I think this is a GREAT opportunity for some education!

  
  

  
  

  

  Report2 Reply
• MrsSinner402 member

  May 2014

  This is not at all the direction I'd hoped for. I don't want a vax vs. anti-vax discussion. Sigh. :-<

  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  

  

  *January Siggy Challenge - Snow Fails*

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  Report10 Reply
• LightBright515 member

  May 2014

  Kgrosskopf27 said:

  Sorry ladies - this isn't UO - it's a hurtful opinion to anyone that has had to make that choice. 

  My apologies if I hurt anyone's feelings. I was clomid bound until my birth control slip up, I just have my suspicions about those medications.
  

  Report0 Reply
• golfingdarwinfish member

  May 2014

  Emerald27 said:

  @VCGolfNYC‌ Can you link some of what you find on PubMed (or do we have to be able to log in)? I think this is a GREAT opportunity for some education!

  @emerald27

  
  

  I'm actually deep in the oncology bowels of PubMed for work, but I may be able to pull up some of the vaccine literature later this afternoon during *groan* a 4 hour meeting.  I posted a link above to a brief history of the Andrew Wakefield ordeal, which is pretty decent starting point in terms of evaluating the origins of one of the loudest voices in the anti-vax movement. 

  
  

  https://darryl-cunningham.blogspot.com/2010/05/facts-in-case-of-dr-andrew-wakefield.html
  

  
  

  
  

  Loss Blog (finally updated)
  

  
  

   

  
  

   

  

  5 cycles of "TTC" - 3 intentional, 2 not so intentional.  5 BFPs.  My rainbow arrived 10/15/14.
  TFMC 08.02.13 at 19+ weeks. Everyday I grieve for my little Olive.
  
  

  Report3 Reply
• LightBright515 member

  May 2014

  Lol my suspicions about the medication don't make me judge the women who take them.
  
  As women wait later to start families, and conception naturally has seemingly become more difficult, I can't help but to think the medications required are somehow related.
  
  And to the one who asked if I have scientific proof, I don't. It was going to be my research component in grad school when I was dreaming of being a maternal-fetal specialist..
  
  I respect the choices you make to conceive, and I'm not opposed to them myself.

  Report0 Reply
• BreandMikewedding member

  May 2014

  LightBright515 said:

  I think fertility medications and treatment are directly related to the increase in reported cases of autism, allergies, etc.
  
  Not knocking them, but I'm suspicious.

  It's ok ladies! I'm here with scientific facts. I worked in an ivf lab and all fertility clinics are required to track certain data on any patient who does a "cycle" which is basically starts any kind of treatment. Even if the cycle was cancelled for any reason we had to track it. We also kept track of our patients for years as many came back for treatment when they were ready for more children. We also did an annual reunion. The dr would research any medical issues the kids had even as they got older to see if we could improve our processes. Autism is not linked. Out of all those kids we never had a reported case of autism. Maybe there are some and they didn't report but we would have known if it was a widespread issue.

  Report34 Reply
• BreandMikewedding member

  May 2014

  Now that that is cleared up, my uo is that I can't stand the simpson's or sponge bob square pants. I think they are both stupid and annoying!

  Report12 Reply
• wildflower75 member

  May 2014 edited May 2014

  LightBright515 said:

  Lol my suspicions about the medication don't make me judge the women who take them. As women wait later to start families, and conception naturally has seemingly become more difficult, I can't help but to think the medications required are somehow related. And to the one who asked if I have scientific proof, I don't. It was going to be my research component in grad school when I was dreaming of being a maternal-fetal specialist.. I respect the choices you make to conceive, and I'm not opposed to them myself.

  Referring to a woman's age is NOT the way to go here... my sister is 21 and has been told she is not producing enough eggs, has endometriosis and has both tubes blocked (this is after surgery for the endo and two ovarian cysts)... Age is not the only fertility issue by far!
  
  

          
  

  
  

  
  

  Report9 Reply
• MrMrsandBaby member

  May 2014

  I think people who drive an SUV or full size truck alone on a longer commute are being wasteful.  And I was one of those people!  I drive 40 miles each way to work and was driving by myself in an Acadia...stupid waste of gas!  Carpool, take public transportation, get a small commuter car...something else.  I just die a little when I see a big ass truck that gets maybe 14 MPG tooling down the interstate with me and the dude inside is in a suit!
  
  But, like I said, I was guilty of it too 
  

  

  

  Report5 Reply
• golfingdarwinfish member

  May 2014

  BreandMikewedding said:

  I think fertility medications and treatment are directly related to the increase in reported cases of autism, allergies, etc. Not knocking them, but I'm suspicious.

  It's ok ladies! I'm here with scientific facts. I worked in an ivf lab and all fertility clinics are required to track certain data on any patient who does a "cycle" which is basically starts any kind of treatment. Even if the cycle was cancelled for any reason we had to track it. We also kept track of our patients for years as many came back for treatment when they were ready for more children. We also did an annual reunion. The dr would research any medical issues the kids had even as they got older to see if we could improve our processes. Autism is not linked. Out of all those kids we never had a reported case of autism. Maybe there are some and they didn't report but we would have known if it was a widespread issue.

  In addition to this, at this point in time the FDA requires many drugs to have Phase IV trials or "PMAs" - post marketing authorization surveillance, which includes official patient registries.  These registries track patients for long term safety and, in the case of drugs during pregnancy or conception, the health outcomes of offspring.  There is a ton of retrospective work done in these areas collecting & crunching data.

  
  

  Also, a general comment for all, let's not forget that correlation does NOT imply causation.  Let's get some R-squared values up in here if we want to talk actual causation. 

  Loss Blog (finally updated)
  

  
  

   

  
  

   

  

  5 cycles of "TTC" - 3 intentional, 2 not so intentional.  5 BFPs.  My rainbow arrived 10/15/14.
  TFMC 08.02.13 at 19+ weeks. Everyday I grieve for my little Olive.
  
  

  Report18 Reply
• LightBright515 member

  May 2014

  wildflower75 said:

  
  

  LightBright515 said:

  
  

  Lol my suspicions about the medication don't make me judge the women who take them.
  
  As women wait later to start families, and conception naturally has seemingly become more difficult, I can't help but to think the medications required are somehow related.
  
  And to the one who asked if I have scientific proof, I don't. It was going to be my research component in grad school when I was dreaming of being a maternal-fetal specialist..
  
  I respect the choices you make to conceive, and I'm not opposed to them myself.

  
  

  Referring to a woman's age is NOT the way to go here... my sister is 21 and has been told she is not producing enough eggs, has endometriosis and has both tubes blocked (this is after surgery for the endo and two ovarian cysts)... Age is not the only fertility issue by far!
  
  
  
  I'm in my mid 20's with longstanding PCOS. So...
  

  Report0 Reply
• NavyFlyer member

  May 2014

  UO: I hate hashtags. HATE HATE HATE. Especially facebook posts with multiple hashtags like a photo of a your dog with #puppylove #rescuedog #lovemypets

  
  

  No reason, just hate them. 

  

  Report30 Reply
• ariel06 member

  May 2014

  BreandMikewedding said:

  Now that that is cleared up, my uo is that I can't stand the simpson's or sponge bob square pants. I think they are both stupid and annoying!

  I totally agree on Sponge Bob.  He's not allowed at my house.  I see no redeeming value to it.

  
  

  I'm not a huge Simpson's fan, but there's actually more depth to the show than you would think.  In a college course on theology and the mass media, we had an in-depth discussion on the Simpson's.  

  

  Report0 Reply
• Jennifer18131 member

  May 2014

  Is it too early for popcorn? I was hoping for something light after the TTGP and Parenting drama this week.

  

  ::two chest pumps and a peace sign for Jenn:: ~ MrsJudgeyPants 
  

  
  

  This is legal advice. Circa 2011 

  Report2 Reply
• fireflyrebirth member

  May 2014

  I'll just say this:  I'm a 27-year-old healthy female married to a 31-year-old healthy male and I wouldn't be pregnant without fertility drugs.  Yeah they're sure as heck not something to screw around with but they're also not something to randomly(??) connect(??) to Autism(?!) or allergies(???) or anything else.

  
  

  Because SCIENCE.

  
  

  
  

  Report16 Reply
• AmandaJean12 member

  May 2014

  Sorry, but no. You don't get to make up very specific hypotheses on where these things come from with no scientific backing.
  
  I agree that there's probably a link to the amount of crap we put in our bodies - processed foods, chemicals in our environment, maybe even too many meds. But singling one out with no justification is ridiculous.

  
  

  Report5 Reply
• lrobi13 member

  May 2014

  Can't argue with science...

  

  Report10 Reply
• Wino411 member

  May 2014

  wildflower75 said:

  LightBright515 said...
  
  I think that the increase of vaccinations are directly related to the increase in reported cases of autism, allergies, etc.
  We never had this many vaccinations growing up...
  

  The first documented case of autism dates back to 1747... long before this so-called vaccine "overloading" Also people fail to realize that diagnostic tools and techniques have improved as well as screening which could be the culprit to the "increase" in cases as opposed to back in the day when people called folks "slow", "crazy" or "demon-possessed". 

  
  

  Me: 34 DH: 34

  TTC since Jan '13

  BFP#1 - EDD 3/24/14 - d&c 7w5d

  BFP#2 - EDD 6/14/14 - cp 4w2d

  BFP#3 - EDD 10/28/14 - It's a BOY!!! - Born 10/26/14

  

  

  
  

  Report24 Reply
• youngin12 member

  May 2014

  LightBright515 said:

  Lol my suspicions about the medication don't make me judge the women who take them. As women wait later to start families, and conception naturally has seemingly become more difficult, I can't help but to think the medications required are somehow related. And to the one who asked if I have scientific proof, I don't. It was going to be my research component in grad school when I was dreaming of being a maternal-fetal specialist.. I respect the choices you make to conceive, and I'm not opposed to them myself.

  Age has not a damn thing to do with it. I am 26 years old. I was diagnosed with unexplained infertility at the age of 21. There have been 100s of women I have come into contact with over my years on TB that are under the age of 35 (considered AMA for having a baby) with infertility issues. As stated previously, this is a topic you need to have more than enough proof on before you go spouting at the mouth on such a very serious issue.
  

  **TTC since 10/2009** **BFP 4/15/12- Dx Molar Pregnancy- Surgery 5/15/12 & 5/22/12** **BFP 1/23/14- 1st Beta (1/24/14) 171 2nd Beta (1/28/14) 860**

  Report6 Reply
• [Deleted User] member

  May 2014

  My UO is when people post pictures of their engagement ring on facebook. Especially within minutes of becoming engaged. It's just tacky IMO. I have better things to do after becoming engaged than get on facebook.

  And to lighten it up in here with an AW.. I got engaged last night during dinner for our anniversary!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   

  Report70 Reply
• Wino411 member

  May 2014

  apk4 said:

  My UO is when people post pictures of their engagement ring on facebook. Especially within minutes of becoming engaged. It's just tacky IMO. I have better things to do after becoming engaged than get on facebook.

  And to lighten it up in here with an AW.. I got engaged last night during dinner for our anniversary!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   

  Congrats!!!

  
  

  Me: 34 DH: 34

  TTC since Jan '13

  BFP#1 - EDD 3/24/14 - d&c 7w5d

  BFP#2 - EDD 6/14/14 - cp 4w2d

  BFP#3 - EDD 10/28/14 - It's a BOY!!! - Born 10/26/14

  

  

  
  

  Report3 Reply
• wildflower75 member

  May 2014

  apk4 said:

  My UO is when people post pictures of their engagement ring on facebook. Especially within minutes of becoming engaged. It's just tacky IMO. I have better things to do after becoming engaged than get on facebook.

  And to lighten it up in here with an AW.. I got engaged last night during dinner for our anniversary!!!!!!!!!!!!!

   

  And where's the pic of your ring????
  LOL
  CONGRATS and enjoy a long life together with your little one on the way!! Soo exciting!!
  

          
  

  
  

  
  

  Report4 Reply
• fireflyrebirth member

  May 2014

  scottysgirl77 said:

  My UO: I don't like Kathy Lee and Hoda and I think NBC messed up when they put them on the Today Show

  They're the ones who just sit and drink and gossip, right?  Every time I see them I'm like, "How is this a show?  How is this on TV right now?"

  
  

  
  

  Report3 Reply
• [Deleted User] member

  May 2014

  @wildflower75 @carriedaway19 @Wino411 Thank you guys!!

  Report0 Reply
• lrobi13 member

  May 2014

  Congrats!!! @apk4!!!

  Report1 Reply
• archi35 member

  May 2014

  FamousEa said:

  To the fertility drug and vaccine UO's. Yep staying out of this today. 

  
  

  

  
  AHAHAHA this is exactly how I feel !!! I was gonna come in with some flame about epi vs. non-epi from my MIL but instead I'm making like Homer.....

  Native NYC-ers living in Switzerland - First time parents - 36 + 37

  TTC: 8 Months / BFP: 2/8/2014 / EDD: 10/20/2014  

  

  Report2 Reply
• youngin12 member

  May 2014

  fireflyrebirth said:

  scottysgirl77 said:

  My UO: I don't like Kathy Lee and Hoda and I think NBC messed up when they put them on the Today Show

  They're the ones who just sit and drink and gossip, right?  Every time I see them I'm like, "How is this a show?  How is this on TV right now?"

  There's so many shows on TV right now that I wonder the exact same thing. I just don't understand the need for all these reality shows and I really hate how shows get cancelled now at the drop of a hat.  
  

  **TTC since 10/2009** **BFP 4/15/12- Dx Molar Pregnancy- Surgery 5/15/12 & 5/22/12** **BFP 1/23/14- 1st Beta (1/24/14) 171 2nd Beta (1/28/14) 860**

  Report2 Reply
• lrobi13 member

  May 2014

  @yougin12: I know right. Give some of these good shows a chance. I forget about shows because they don't let them stay on long enough. Kinda sad about Trophy Wife being canccelled, not gonna lie!

  Report0 Reply
• Heartwood0519 member

  May 2014

  I hate Cool Ranch Doritos... there, I said it!

  
  

  Report12 Reply
• MrsSinner402 member

  May 2014

  Heartwood0519 said:

  I hate Cool Ranch Doritos... there, I said it!

  
  X_X

  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  

  

  *January Siggy Challenge - Snow Fails*

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  Report14 Reply
• youngin12 member

  May 2014

  lrobi13 said:

  @yougin12: I know right. Give some of these good shows a chance. I forget about shows because they don't let them stay on long enough. Kinda sad about Trophy Wife being canccelled, not gonna lie!

  @lrobi13- What???
  (    I loved Trophy Wife. Such a nice little comedy.

  **TTC since 10/2009** **BFP 4/15/12- Dx Molar Pregnancy- Surgery 5/15/12 & 5/22/12** **BFP 1/23/14- 1st Beta (1/24/14) 171 2nd Beta (1/28/14) 860**

  Report0 Reply