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Breastfeeding does not always = weight loss!

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Re: Breastfeeding does not always = weight loss!

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  • MamaHollywood27MamaHollywood27 member
    slwprincess said:

    Codypup said:


    slwprincess said:

    Wow, I just came back to find that this thread really derailed. Anyone who thinks 500 calories of cake = 500 calories of chicken and salad needs to go back to highschool health class. Or read the South Beach diet book. It explains it soooo much better than I could but it's definitely more than just "math."



    But GUYZ I was hoping I could stop with the real food and just eat cake around the clock. Because calories are calories. And CAKE!!!!!!


    OP, I am sorry you're dealing with assholes who think it's okay to make those kinds of comments. 
    True story... When I was growing up, I was tiny. The doctors told my mom to let me eat whatever I wanted because I was so picky and needed extra weight b/c I was sick all the time. My mother actually let me eat chocolate cake for breakfast! Like a lot. I still didn't gain weight. Turns out I was severely hyperthyroid and my metabolism was insanely fast. Once they fixed that I slowly started gaining weight and quit getting sick. But damn, I wish I could still get away with that!

    Chocolate for breakfast is all I read.... Mmmmmmmmmm :) the kind from Magginos- thanks for the craving, all
    I have is oatmeal cookies!
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  • ziggy903ziggy903 member
    greenbunny79 said:

    The idea that I would lose weight easily with breast feeding (EPing for me) was packaged in with the rest of the fantasy world I was living in prior to giving birth, along with the idea of hanging out at the mall and breast feeding in the Nordstrom lounge, lunching with the LO, being able to breastfeed without a problem, etc.

    I miss fantasy world.


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  • MissusPearsonMissusPearson member
    edited April 2014

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_calorie_is_a_calorie

    Basically..the isodynamic law. As it says in Wikipedia, and as we are currently seeing in the thread, around for a long time and often debated. In my experience, its 100% accurate.

    @slwprincessregarding South Beach-I would hardly consider a fad diet a reliable source. They come and go.

     

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  • MissusPearsonMissusPearson member

    It is seriously ridiculous to argue with a mass opinion on this thread. I'm cool with rocking the boat though :)

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  • MissusPearsonMissusPearson member
    cyclonewxchick said:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_calorie_is_a_calorie

    Basically..the isodynamic law. As it says in Wikipedia, and as we are currently seeing in the thread, around for a long time and often debated. In my experience, its 100% accurate.

    I'm gonna call it, wikipedia doesn't count as a source especially since wikipedia is saying the neutrality of the article is in question
    I've already listed a Harvard Health article link on here for a reliable source. Jillian Michaels has a ton of info backing this as well. The Wikipedia link was more for the isodynamic law reference.
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  • slwprincessslwprincess member
    edited April 2014
    Ummm south beach is hardly a fad diet. It's actually just about eating healthy carbs and more protein which we should all do anyway. Hell, I only read it b/c my OB suggested it as an easy way to manage GD. And she was right... It became much clearer which choices to make after reading that book. And overall, once you get passed the strict phase (which I never did anyway but DH has) it's really just a balanced healthy diet. Eating good carbs instead of bad carbs. But again, read the book- you'll learn a lot about general health and how/why we gain weight.

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  • MissusPearsonMissusPearson member
    @greenbunny79 if you google BMR calculations it will explain more. BMR is basal metabolic rate which is how many calories you burn just day to day living. You than take into account activity level and calories burned from that, etc. and you get an idea of how many calories you can consume to lose, gain or maintain weight. A few will take BFing into the equation as well. Letting this thread die on my end. Hope everyone is having a good Wednesday :)
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  • arice76arice76 member
    I stopped pumping (because of my meds),and I've gained 8 pounds in 3 weeks, and my doc said this was nomal! I think everyone's body is different, and it is beyond frustrating that doctors and the general public like to lump everyone together.
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  • micaelasmakeupmicaelasmakeup member
    OP I feel ya.
    But I understand what pp is saying but it just isn't true.
    If I follow WW(low fat high carb) I gain. I have high blood sugar. If I low carb(Atkins paleo etc) I lose rapidly.
    Same calorie intake.
    Too bad BF makes me want ALL THE CAKE





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  • MissusPearsonMissusPearson member
    Bookshelves said:

    @MissusPearson‌ A lot of people, including OP, expended time and energy supporting you when you were concerned the other day about going dairy-free. It would've been nice to see you extend the same courtesy here. Someone having a shitty day doesn't need pseudoscience or a "devil's advocate"; "Sorry you're struggling" would suffice.

    OP I do feel bad you're struggling and I understand how frustrating it is-like I stated I'm not claiming to be perfect or to have it all figured out. I appreciated OPs and everyone else's response on my dairy free post and all others. I don't need to be told what will suffice though, and don't appreciate feeling censored.
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  • MissusPearsonMissusPearson member
    That's just it-I don't need you to recommend replies for me
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  • RondackHikerRondackHiker member
    Bookshelves said:

    You're being really special.

    Special is one word for it.


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  • RondackHikerRondackHiker member
    I'm sorry to those who are struggling to lose weight.

    If you DO want to discuss what works for some and what doesn't, we can do a thread like that. But you're all right--BFing doesn't guarantee weight loss and for some women it can make you hold onto some weight, only to dramatically drop it when you wean.


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  • kathegreatkathegreat member
    Wow @MissusPearson‌ you took a thread that never had any intention of asking for any weight loss advice and hijacked the darn thing. OP needed some support and to come in here and insult everyone's intelligence with your Wikipedia article (I mean what the actual fuck? anyone who has done any amount of research knows Wikipedia doesn't ever count as a source.) and talk about how easy it is to lose weight is just pompous asshattery.
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  • MissusPearsonMissusPearson member
    The thread was quiet last night. I only came back in because I was tagged. I'm fine with letting it die-not the one that reopened it. It reminds me of the ceiling fan post...and around and around and around. So can't we just all agree to quit referencing the same argument?
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  • KatM84KatM84 member
    elf828 said:

    @Codypup‌ what kind of calories are in that cake? I'm not sure if I'd want to eat it ;)

    No worries, just substitute it for a piece of grilled chicken at lunch and you're good to go.
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  • MissusPearsonMissusPearson member
    You know I put in 2 other sources right?
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  • MissusPearsonMissusPearson member
    Let it be known that it is not only me that keeps this thread off track. I'm not talking to myself here-still getting plenty of responses
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  • Firefly9Firefly9 member
    MissusPearson said:
    You know I put in 2 other sources right?
    Quoting Wikipedia negates that.



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  • Soap1Soap1 member
    MissusPearson said:
    You know I put in 2 other sources right?
    1) Did you READ the Wikipedia article?  As I mentioned previously, it cites three studies that negate what you're saying.

    2) The quickie Harvard Health calculator that is intended to help you lose weight does not equal a scientific study that breaks down the complexities of how different calories work in different ways. 

    3) You yourself mentioned BMR.  That changes based on factors beyond your age, sex, and weight.  It changes when you consume different types of calories over long periods of time.  An online BMR calculator is not a "source" to support your notion that all calories are the same, because different kinds of calories (refined sugars vs. whole grains) can actually change your BMR over time.

    So, until you can provide us with an actual scientific study that IS NOT from 1878 (like your "isodynamic law"), you are wrong.
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  • RondackHikerRondackHiker member
    MissusPearson said:

    Let it be known that it is not only me that keeps this thread off track. I'm not talking to myself here-still getting plenty of responses



    People are telling you that you were hurtful and wrong and unkind to jump in with your "eat less" bullshit in this thread. You don't seem to get how wrong and hurtful that was. People keep responding because you don't grasp how bitchy it is to keep saying " just eat less" to someone who has expressed dismay at weight struggles without asking for help.

    And people are also responding to your argument itself, which is flawed and incorrect. There are two different arguments here, do you grasp that? The first is that it was a shitty thing to say. The second that it was a completely incorrect thing to say.

    People are going to keep expressing how shitty it was of you to jump in here and say that.


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  • MissusPearsonMissusPearson member
    So you think all of a sudden I'm going to say "oh you know they're right! Just kidding, I take back everything I said"? Nope.
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  • MissusPearsonMissusPearson member
    Fantastic so drop it.
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  • Beachmommy1029Beachmommy1029 member
    Cheese and rice!!!! No one wants to let the thread itself die, most of us were offering commiseration and sympathy. We would like the unsolicited advice to die. Thanks.
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  • Beachmommy1029Beachmommy1029 member
    Bookshelves said:
    Cheese and rice!!!! No one wants to let the thread itself die, most of us were offering commiseration and sympathy. We would like the unsolicited advice to die. Thanks.
    Mmm. Cheese.

    *Giggle*
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  • Firefly9Firefly9 member
    greenbunny79 said:
    Firefly9 said:
    MissusPearson said:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_calorie_is_a_calorie

    Basically..the isodynamic law. As it says in Wikipedia, and as we are currently seeing in the thread, around for a long time and often debated. In my experience, its 100% accurate.

    @slwprincessregarding South Beach-I would hardly consider a fad diet a reliable source. They come and go.

     

    I have a bunch of comments to catch up on, but FFS, are you SERIOUSLY QUOTING WIKIPEDIA????  FAIL.  FAIL.  FAIL.

    It's hilarious to me--hilarious!!--that in the next paragraph, you talk about reliable resources.

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    studies have shown that wikipedia often has more up to date info than medical textbooks because its always being updates whereas textbooks are quickly outdated

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    The sources Wikipedia cites have some validity; however, Wikipedia can be edited by all sorts of people.  My student worker's dad is a teacher and purposely edits a page with false information he knows his students would come across to see if they use it as a source.  That's the flaw in Wikipedia.  It isn't to say that there isn't credible information there, it's that it is unreliable in how much and what information IS correct.

    When the new pope was elected, I was looking at Wikipedia to find out more about him; the information/"facts" on that page changed multiple times throughout the day.

    Working in a library, I tell students with reference questions that Wikipedia itself is NOT a good source for papers; however, if they look at the information cited at the bottom of pages, they could be led to information they can use.  It's not a bad place to start, but should not be used as a sole source of information or quoted.

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  • Firefly9Firefly9 member
    edited April 2014
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_calorie_is_a_calorie

    Go look at this page now.  Second paragraph.

    Hahaha, never mind, they took it out immediately ;)

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