apparently people IRL are obsessed with issues too

ToastieSimons · March 2014

I went to meet the Staples delivery guy and I had DS2 on my hip. He was very nice and asked how old my little guy is and I said 1.5 He said his was 4.5 and I was very nice and told him I have an older son also.

Then he says "We don't give him shots". "He got sick from the first one. And then we researched and all the information so now we don't give him shots". I was very nice, did the standard oh really and oh no and okay. and he then tells me "you know you should do the research. I'm telling you, they're not good".

Thank you random delivery guy for your lovely PSA.

lexusolsen · March 2014

Lol people are so odd.

rosesandpetals · March 2014

I always take medical advice from my Staples delivery guy. It's one of the only reasons I order from Staples.

littlemermaid · March 2014

Wow, that's way too much personal info from the delivery guy. I guess you won't be having any playdates with his kids.

magentawarped · March 2014

Well, we always say non vaxxers should wear a sign...

chickaboo1974 · March 2014

In my twin moms club, there is one that is anti-vax and whole lots of other things that I role my eyes at. She really annoys me since she posts crap about this stuff on the club's facebook private page all the time- so I block her.

brachysira · March 2014

I am part of 2 local moms' groups and both have discussion threads on the websites asking which doctors are "cool with crunchy moms, um, you know, with different vaccination plans." So now I don't know if I can go to any play dates once we have the new LO. I don't want to alienate everyone and say, "and this play date is for vaccinated kids only" but since apparently half or so of the moms in each group do not vaccinate, I do not see how I can let a newborn be around their kids. Plus, I think people who think it is crunchy to not vaccinate are idiots and I don't want to be friends with them. And finally, I saw a doctor in our 5 doctor practice listed, and now I don't even know if I should feel safe in the waiting room at the pedi's office.

brachysira · March 2014

Hav=Fath said:

brachysira said:

I am part of 2 local moms' groups and both have discussion threads on the websites asking which doctors are "cool with crunchy moms, um, you know, with different vaccination plans." So now I don't know if I can go to any play dates once we have the new LO. I don't want to alienate everyone and say, "and this play date is for vaccinated kids only" but since apparently half or so of the moms in each group do not vaccinate, I do not see how I can let a newborn be around their kids. Plus, I think people who think it is crunchy to not vaccinate are idiots and I don't want to be friends with them. And finally, I saw a doctor in our 5 doctor practice listed, and now I don't even know if I should feel safe in the waiting room at the pedi's office.

IMO "different vaccination plans" could just mean the parents want to delay vaccinations so they don't get so many at one time. My pedi's office won't do it, so my cousin went somewhere else so she only got 2 vaccines per 2 months. She was caught up by the time she was 2 I think? I don't think that's a very big deal. No vaccinating is a whole different beast.

I agree it's not as bad, but it's based on the same myths. And I've read some things that indicate that the alternative schedules are still a serious public health risk. Plus, moms' groups have little ones so if you bring your 18 month old who has yet to get an important vaccine because you're waiting, then he still can make my newborn sick. And no one on these local moms's groups boards say what they're actually doing--they just want a doctor who is open to alternative medicine and crunchy lifestyles...and then later they say, oh, well, what that really means is I want someone who understands my vaccine interests or something, and then a whole bunch of moms are like, yeah, I am so like you, I understand! So I have no idea what they actually do.

PhillyRN · March 2014

Hav=Fath said:

brachysira said:

I am part of 2 local moms' groups and both have discussion threads on the websites asking which doctors are "cool with crunchy moms, um, you know, with different vaccination plans." So now I don't know if I can go to any play dates once we have the new LO. I don't want to alienate everyone and say, "and this play date is for vaccinated kids only" but since apparently half or so of the moms in each group do not vaccinate, I do not see how I can let a newborn be around their kids. Plus, I think people who think it is crunchy to not vaccinate are idiots and I don't want to be friends with them. And finally, I saw a doctor in our 5 doctor practice listed, and now I don't even know if I should feel safe in the waiting room at the pedi's office.

IMO "different vaccination plans" could just mean the parents want to delay vaccinations so they don't get so many at one time. My pedi's office won't do it, so my cousin went somewhere else so she only got 2 vaccines per 2 months. She was caught up by the time she was 2 I think? I don't think that's a very big deal. No vaccinating is a whole different beast.

I agree that "different vaccination" plans could mean a delayed schedule. I am a nurse and I am very pro-vaccine. However, I had a vaccine reaction as a child and we did DS's vaccines on a delayed schedule. We just did one at a time, spaced by 2 weeks. He is 2 now and completely caught up. I have a bunch of people on my Facebook feed that post random anti-vaccine stuff that has no scientific basis. Since we have a new LO coming, I would also be hesitant to bring the new baby around unvaccinated kids.

zbeesma86 · March 2014

There are 2 kids in Zs music class who don't get vaccines. Makes me glad Z has all hers. & lolololol nanda at FedEx vs Staples on advice!

bumpuser924057 · March 2014

Our pedi spreads out vaccines routinely so you don't get more than two at any visit and she is about as far from crunchy as I can imagine. We still get all the shots, but we go for "shots only" appointments in between check ups so they're at the doctor once a north until they're seven months old. We didn't ask for it, it's just how they do things.

jf198400 · March 2014

NandaB said:
does it make me lazy that I wouldn't want to go to a special extra torture appointment? my pedi is almost 40 min away. luckily my kids have not had a reaction to any vax other than a little fussiness, and redness at the site once. I'm not rushing to drag that out.

eta: they usually only get 1 or 2 at a time anyway. I think N got 3 last time (maybe? I forget)

Im with you! I work FT so the thought of even more pedi appointments is horrible. I can't just take off from work every other week to take my kid to the DR.

brachysira · March 2014

LalaMama81 said:

brachysira said:

Hav=Fath said:

brachysira said:

I am part of 2 local moms' groups and both have discussion threads on the websites asking which doctors are "cool with crunchy moms, um, you know, with different vaccination plans." So now I don't know if I can go to any play dates once we have the new LO. I don't want to alienate everyone and say, "and this play date is for vaccinated kids only" but since apparently half or so of the moms in each group do not vaccinate, I do not see how I can let a newborn be around their kids. Plus, I think people who think it is crunchy to not vaccinate are idiots and I don't want to be friends with them. And finally, I saw a doctor in our 5 doctor practice listed, and now I don't even know if I should feel safe in the waiting room at the pedi's office.

IMO "different vaccination plans" could just mean the parents want to delay vaccinations so they don't get so many at one time. My pedi's office won't do it, so my cousin went somewhere else so she only got 2 vaccines per 2 months. She was caught up by the time she was 2 I think? I don't think that's a very big deal. No vaccinating is a whole different beast.

I agree it's not as bad, but it's based on the same myths. And I've read some things that indicate that the alternative schedules are still a serious public health risk. Plus, moms' groups have little ones so if you bring your 18 month old who has yet to get an important vaccine because you're waiting, then he still can make my newborn sick. And no one on these local moms's groups boards say what they're actually doing--they just want a doctor who is open to alternative medicine and crunchy lifestyles...and then later they say, oh, well, what that really means is I want someone who understands my vaccine interests or something, and then a whole bunch of moms are like, yeah, I am so like you, I understand! So I have no idea what they actually do.

How so? I don't spread them b/c I'm afraid of autism or I think vaccines are "bad" or any such nonsense.

Well, perhaps you spread them out because it's painful, but a common reason I have heard is that a baby can't take so much toxins at once or the immune system can't handle so many germs at once. Good for us is that it is not true that vaccines are less effective if given together and so a lot are combined and we have never had 5 pokes or even close to that many. Here is the article that I like that is against the Sears schedule. The main harm is just that the longer kids are unvaccinated, the greater percentage of the population is unvaccinated, so the potential for epidemics is higher. Individually, of course, risk is higher because there is a larger time without protection. Plus, I suspect there is potential to get lazy on an alternative schedule since people are likely more likely to be vigilant about their first few appointments, but get busy and less concerned as they become more confident parents, go back to work, etc. and so may not go in and get the later-planned vaccines. Plus, someone has to remember if you don't do what the doctor's office has planned, and I've certainly been in situations where they try to give you the wrong meds, failed to write down an injection, etc. so it's a lot for many people to take on--take their kids to extra or later appts, keep track of vaccines, schedules, and records, etc. Better for people to stick with what their doctor recommends when there is not a good reason not to and when recommending alternatives just gets people caught up in the idea that there's a good reason to be afraid of what your doctor recommends. https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/123/1/e164.full

nonoemily · March 2014

My son got a rash at his injection site so our pedi volunteered to do a delayed schedule, which was fine with me. He was caught back up by 18 months.

rosesandpetals · March 2014

Dd is 13 months she has had 5 pokes at once.

Cheekers2010 · March 2014

I hate it when those of us who prefer a delayed schedule get lumped in with anti-vax'ers. No such thing. My son happens to be one who gets crazy vaccine reactions and so we spread out his vaccinations and still made sure he was fully vax'd. If we have another kiddo, I will also spread out their vaccinations because of my experiences with DS. I fully believe in vaccinating and herd immunity and I was totally on top of making sure DS got everything he needed with the most important vaccinations first. I do not believe this makes me paranoid or irresponsible. We are talking about a difference of a few months for the most part here. Irritating.

brachysira · March 2014

I'm sure many doctors would be fine with giving shots on different days if you expected a reaction or were worried about identifying the source. However, I think most people in the moms' group would just ask their doctor if this was the reason. Or they would post, "We have sensitivity to vaccines in our family and I was wondering if anyone knew a good doctor who would be flexible with the schedule." Instead they hint around about alternative medicine and doctors who are natural and crunchy and open to ideas, etc. Then it finally comes out that they are anti-vax or at least fear vaccines and do not want to follow recommendations and everyone else says, "oh me too." This is what creeps me out. I think in general if you want to do something else, I would keep it between you and the doctor. General recommendations of alternative schedules look like there are issues with vaccines, and that is not a belief that needs promoting.

nonoemily · March 2014

I agree.

Crunchy moms don't deserve a bad rep because a few of then don't vaccinate. And I know there are non-vax folks who aren't the least bit crunchy.

MesmrEwe · March 2014

LalaMama81 said:

No, I'm not worried about them being painful nor am I lazy enough to forget to vaccinate my child. You know the whole reason they're on the compact schedule they are isn't because that's what's medically best for each child. Its not like they're more effective when given together. It's because lots of people are lazy or uneducated and don't keep up with well child check ups, so they have to squeeze them all in. I prefer to not have so many things getting injected at once but it's also because it's much harder to figure out a bad reaction, then.

I'm one of the poor unlucky souls who gets a reaction to something in vaccines - and THIS! You know, I'm pro-vaccine to a point, then I start to question. I'm not a fan of this combined schedule the more I dealt with it and DS having some funky reactions as well after this last round with the DTaP - I'm likely when he needs a booster to spread them out because a 6 week long reaction is worse than the risks of any of the three (and don't say "death" because that can happen with the vaccine that causes a reaction too!)..

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