Pit bull/large dog concerns

tmccord21 · March 2014

Lee81 · March 2014

chicsahm said:

Lee81 said:

chicsahm said:
However, I will still walk around unless I know the dog specifically and the owner. :P
That's probably your best bet with *any* breed, at least until the kids are old enough to understand how to safely approach a dog. When you put a bunch of statistics out there from studies you haven't actually read, it helps perpetuate a stereotype that has not been proven to be true. That's not fair to all the perfectly sweet dogs that are dying in shelters because people are too scared to adopt them because they read a bunch of phony or misleading statistics that people keep reposting without verifying.

Oh I read them…. all of them

If you read all of actual studies that you referenced on here and admitted that you got from dogsbite.org, can you give me an idea of the methods they used to obtain the statistics that you quoted? I'm curious about where they were drawing the data from that they analyzed.

chicsahm · March 2014

Lee81 said:

Lee81 said:

However, I will still walk around unless I know the dog specifically and the owner. :P
That's probably your best bet with *any* breed, at least until the kids are old enough to understand how to safely approach a dog. When you put a bunch of statistics out there from studies you haven't actually read, it helps perpetuate a stereotype that has not been proven to be true. That's not fair to all the perfectly sweet dogs that are dying in shelters because people are too scared to adopt them because they read a bunch of phony or misleading statistics that people keep reposting without verifying.

Oh I read them…. all of them
If you read all of actual studies that you referenced on here and admitted that you got from dogsbite.org, can you give me an idea of the methods they used to obtain the statistics that you quoted? I'm curious about where they were drawing the data from that they analyzed.

So let me get this right, because you don't believe anything on those sites you must think they pulled those statistics out of their asses.. and you need me to prove it?? I don't play those games, but if you would like to read another study from the CDC I came across feel free…..

https://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

again, I am not here to change anyones minds or spread "false studies" these studies are out there for anyone to find, and they are studies and facts that have indeed been pulled together. Some might say it isn't fair because you are lumping pitts and mixes together in the same pot, but that is your choice to decide on, and what you feel comfortable for you and your family.

Amjoy25 · March 2014

tmccord21 said:

I need dis.

Lee81 · March 2014

I appreciate the CDC study link. Like I said before, I do have doubts about the validity of the dog attack stats you quoted before. It's not that hard to take statistics from a study and use them to "prove" a point, even when your point was not the actual conclusion of the study. Even if it was the conclusion of the study, the data collection/calculation method could have skewed the results. There's no way of knowing if you haven't read the actual study.
All the stats that were quoted before are useless unless you know the source. I'm not going to pretend I have time to read them myself even if you could tell me what the studies you referenced are, so I'm not going to bother even asking. You say that you read all the studies you quoted, and I have no way of knowing if you really did. But based on the fact that they were obviously copied and pasted from some other source, it appears that you just read an article referencing those studies, not the studies themselves. Only you know if you read the actual quoted studies for yourself but if you didn't, you don't know the true conclusion or if it was a reliable study, but you posted the stats anyway. If you did in fact read all seven (?) referenced studies, props to you and I hope it helped increase your confidence in your decision.

MrsKocal · March 2014

I would have never, ever trusted my baby around my old maltese mix, since she made everyone I know bleed at least once in her life. She was an evil fucktard, to everyone but me. She loved me, but the only reason she never made me bleed was because I knew to back away when the demon growls started....

Dogs are dogs. Little ones tend to be nastier than others. Calico cats tend to be even nastier (I have one, and the scars to prove it). Pitties just get the bad rap because when they do bite, they can do a lot more damage. Blaming the breed is irresponsible and counterproductive.

However, THIS particular dog needs to be put down. I have rallied around pitties on death row before, signed petitions to save them, even donated money - when the bite was justified (ie: the child was hitting the dog, or the dog felt threatened and was chained and couldn't escape). But this dog has killed a small dog and bit a child for picking up a bone. He'd be put to sleep instantly if he entered a shelter, because he'd horribly fail his food aggression behavior test and be deemed a "problem". He's already had his second chance, and he's truly dangerous. It has nothing to do with his breed, it's just his personality. As someone who has joined many of these "save the dog" online campaigns in the past, this particular one makes me feel a bit sick.

taylormarie923 · March 2014

I wonder what happens to the reports with "unknown" listed as the breed? I can tell you from my experience in medical records that was the common response.

chicsahm · March 2014

NRyan55 said:

RedheadBaker said:

So let me get this right, because you don't believe anything on those sites you must think they pulled those statistics out of their asses.. and you need me to prove it?? I don't play those games, but if you would like to read another study from the CDC I came across feel free…..

https://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

again, I am not here to change anyones minds or spread "false studies" these studies are out there for anyone to find, and they are studies and facts that have indeed been pulled together. Some might say it isn't fair because you are lumping pitts and mixes together in the same pot, but that is your choice to decide on, and what you feel comfortable for you and your family.

Did you even read that CDC link before copying it here? Specifically the "conclusion" paragraph at the bottom of the box on the left hand side of the first page?

Honestly it is like talking to a brick wall, maybe if you have something shiny she will pay attention.

Wow…. really, cheap comeback. I now know how low you stoop in life. You have made your decisions, I have made mine based on.. wait for it…. reading articles in it's entirety .

Lee81 · March 2014

chicsahm said:

NRyan55 said:

RedheadBaker said:

chicsahm said:

So let me get this right, because you don't believe anything on those sites you must think they pulled those statistics out of their asses.. and you need me to prove it?? I don't play those games, but if you would like to read another study from the CDC I came across feel free…..

https://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

again, I am not here to change anyones minds or spread "false studies" these studies are out there for anyone to find, and they are studies and facts that have indeed been pulled together. Some might say it isn't fair because you are lumping pitts and mixes together in the same pot, but that is your choice to decide on, and what you feel comfortable for you and your family.

Did you even read that CDC link before copying it here? Specifically the "conclusion" paragraph at the bottom of the box on the left hand side of the first page?

Honestly it is like talking to a brick wall, maybe if you have something shiny she will pay attention.

Wow…. really, cheap comeback. I now know how low you stoop in life. You have made your decisions, I have made mine based on.. wait for it…. reading articles in it's entirety .

An article is different from a study. I feel like if you actually knew the difference, you would not have used the wrong word. I'm still pretty sure you read an article referencing several studies, and not the actual studies.

kimbo1216 · March 2014

Nothing new to add. I agree that it's dog specific more than breed specific.

And for your entertainment, here is DD1 with my sis's pit.

findingnemommy · March 2014

carriet2018 said:
Stoop low, stoop low, stoop low, stoop low

I love you

Lee81 · March 2014

So, after all this talk about pit bulls, I'm getting an ad at the bottom of the bump for some kind of dog steroids. It is telling me to buff up my canine. The last thing my beagle needs is some 'roid rage on top of his Napoleon complex. Although maybe if I gave them to my golden, he would finally stand up for himself and stop letting the beagle and the cats boss him around.

manders726 · March 2014

Also nothing new to add, except that our pug attacked my nephew when he was a baby breaking the skin, was such a menace at the vet that we had to use a cat muzzle at visits and were told to not bring her in unless it was an emergency, and when she later tried to bite DD (twice!) when she was an infant we made the decision to put her down. We did not raise her badly, she was just a cranky dog who would really only behave for me.

Sometimes it's the individual dog, not the breed. The pit bull from this story? Put him down. All pit bulls? Nope.

findingnemommy · March 2014

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