June 2014 Moms

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  • Spin off from the financial assistance ( sort of):
     In NY they are proposing Free college education to incarcerated persons. ( Not sure of the exact details, assuming associate classes, and limited options) The logical side of me "sees" the benefit, i.e. helps them get jobs after and *if* they don't return to prison end up cheaper. But the self centered/illogical part is appalled. I mean I have debt and my kids will from school, but CRIMINALS get it for "Free" ( my tax dollars?!?).

    I know the big picture is saving money, but the fact that I have to still pay off my student loans bothers me. Also maybe instead we could put the money in poorer neighborhoods and schools to promote not committing crimes and the importance of continuing education, as well as scholarships and financial assistance that is available. This way the underprivileged can get started on the right foot, instead of selling drugs and shooting.

    Or maybe I'm naive to think that could even work?

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  • curlylocks3curlylocks3 member
    edited March 2014
    Pepper6 said:
    This isn't as much an UO as it is a theoretical question based on the social assistance UOs:

    Would you be for or against mandatory "life skills" classes in high school?  Basically, a general education on budgeting, paying bills, how interest rates work for credit cards/student loans/mortgages, resume writing, job searching, interview skills, etc??  Do you think it would make a difference in the cycle of poverty and keeping people from needing social assistance?
    I wouldn't be opposed to that at all. I think it would be beneficial to everyone, not just in terms of poverty. I think most of the education about budgeting and interest rates falls on to the parents, and if they don't do a great job with that themselves they can't really help their kids make different decisions. Just think of how many college kids get swayed into opening a credit card by companies set up on/right off of campus without really understanding interest rates and such and end up with massive CC debt. 
    I don't know if it would necessarily prevent people from needing social assistance because there are certainly cases where people do everything "the right way" and circumstances (loss of job and poor job market, illness, etc) lead them to need assistance anyways but it certainly wouldn't hurt for everyone to sit through a class like you describe IMO.
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  • jshrop said:
    Hmmmm. Looks like some controversy has started.... YEAH!!!! I don't actually have a UO today but I'm going to comment on some of my favorite topics (because I feel like it and I also want to be popular :P )
    In re: to assistance programs, yep, there's always a select few who create the stigma for the rest. The cycle of poverty is very real though. Unless there is an outside influence encouraging the break of thus cycle, it is extremely difficult for anyone to overcome.
    In re: parenting blogs, books, etc, thank god for them! I have no flipping idea what to expect when this kid arrives. Yes, I roll my eyes at some, but I do take bits and pieces from each. It helps ease my mind in regards to developmental stages and what to expect. If that makes me an unthought flu parent, well, so be it. However, I find that I'm probably pretty thoughtful in regards to actually take some time to consider all ideas out there to see which will work best for me.
    As far as the sexy time comments, I love fantasy play with this but not sure I'm mature enough to deal with the repercussions, either positive or negative. But it makes me hornet baby to fantasize about it ;)
    And finally, I comment as much as possible because I freaking feel like it. Happy Thursday peeps!
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  • wtfisup said:
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    @BrightEyes112, I GUESS I HAVE TO LEAVE NOW. I DON'T EVEN OWN ANYTHING PINK. EXCEPT UNDERWEAR. And I don't have those on. 

    I can't believe you have pink underwear!  Ya hussy! LOL ;)
    Funny story: we were traveling and I ran out of underwear so I stopped by a store to buy some. They were all really expensive, except this one pair that was hideous Pepto pink and said "LOVE" in stars across the butt. Very not-me. But they were $3 or something, so I bought them. And I wear them only when I have my period. I hate-wear them.

    That's fabulous! I have a whole wardrobe of "period underwear."  They are mostly the ones that the elastic is starting to fall apart and such.  My H learned quickly that a woman's underwear drawer is a mixed bag of exciting and, "I didn't need to see that."  LOL
    I am impressed that this works for you. I need stuff with working elastic or else the pantyliner does not stay in place yo. 
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  • Spin off from the financial assistance ( sort of):

     In NY they are proposing Free college education to incarcerated persons. ( Not sure of the exact details, assuming associate classes, and limited options) The logical side of me "sees" the benefit, i.e. helps them get jobs after and *if* they don't return to prison end up cheaper. But the self centered/illogical part is appalled. I mean I have debt and my kids will from school, but CRIMINALS get it for "Free" ( my tax dollars?!?).

    I know the big picture is saving money, but the fact that I have to still pay off my student loans bothers me. Also maybe instead we could put the money in poorer neighborhoods and schools to promote not committing crimes and the importance of continuing education, as well as scholarships and financial assistance that is available. This way the underprivileged can get started on the right foot, instead of selling drugs and shooting.

    Or maybe I'm naive to think that could even work?
    I couldn't deal with it being any sort of accredited program. Education is great, put those minds to use... but a degree, no. Definitely not.

     

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  • @curlylocks3, I guess I should clarify:  classes would be mandatory for ALL public high school students, regardless of the income area.  Also, more along the lines of preventing people from relying on long term assistance.  Obviously, some people will need it for a variety of lengths for a variety of reasons regardless, but in the theory that many people are currently on assistance because they were never taught any better.
  • Pepper6 said:
    This isn't as much an UO as it is a theoretical question based on the social assistance UOs:

    Would you be for or against mandatory "life skills" classes in high school?  Basically, a general education on budgeting, paying bills, how interest rates work for credit cards/student loans/mortgages, resume writing, job searching, interview skills, etc??  Do you think it would make a difference in the cycle of poverty and keeping people from needing social assistance?
    I think this would be such a valuable class for high school students.  In college I took a personal finance class that taught me SO much about loans, budgeting, etc that has benefited me today.  Making education like that available at a slightly younger age (and less expensive) would be fantastic.

    I don't know how it would impact the cycle of poverty (others are better informed than I am on this) but I think it would be valuable on a wide scale basis. 
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  • Pepper6 said:
    @curlylocks3, I guess I should clarify:  classes would be mandatory for ALL public high school students, regardless of the income area.  Also, more along the lines of preventing people from relying on long term assistance.  Obviously, some people will need it for a variety of lengths for a variety of reasons regardless, but in the theory that many people are currently on assistance because they were never taught any better.
    I'd support the class on life skills. Those skills help someone to change their financial circumstances, yes, but I also think they are vital skills to have regardless of your income level. I don't think it should be geared as "by taking this class we hope to make it less likely that you'll need public assistance" as much as "these are important life skills to know". 
    Hell, I think it should have been taught in my expensive private high school. 
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  • I think chewing gum should be outlawed.  Chewing food with your mouth open, slurping and smacking while eating and drinking, spitting, and chewing on foreign objects while in public are all viewed as gross by most people.  So, why is smacking and slobbering all over a giant wad of gum, blowing bubbles and then spitting it out on the street or sticking it something totally acceptable? GROSS!! 

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  • Pepper6 said:
    @curlylocks3, I guess I should clarify:  classes would be mandatory for ALL public high school students, regardless of the income area.  Also, more along the lines of preventing people from relying on long term assistance.  Obviously, some people will need it for a variety of lengths for a variety of reasons regardless, but in the theory that many people are currently on assistance because they were never taught any better.
    I'd support the class on life skills. Those skills help someone to change their financial circumstances, yes, but I also think they are vital skills to have regardless of your income level. I don't think it should be geared as "by taking this class we hope to make it less likely that you'll need public assistance" as much as "these are important life skills to know". 
    Hell, I think it should have been taught in my expensive private high school. 
    Yeah, I know plenty of folks with money who are terrible at managing it. I.e. my friends who have a household income twice our own but constantly claim they can't afford basic things. 

    When I worked with at-risk youth in a nonprofit, we offered them tons of courses: financial literacy, life skills, etc. We also provided summer employment with an above-minimum wage. It was a great program, but all the education and advice couldn't change their situation if they went home to parents with no money that needed help paying the rent, or a young mother who said to her very sweet-hearted son, "Since you got money, you're going to buy me something, right?" Many of the kids had family that needed those classes themselves and who were exploitive of their children's earnings. Or in some cases, they really just needed their kid's money. (I'm thinking of a woman who was living off of $900/month, assistance included, and raising her own two children plus two other teenagers who she didn't have legal custody of but who she loved dearly and who were better off in her care. So five people off of that income in a major city.) And then, of course, there were the kids who understood the principles but, when handed their first paycheck, had their first real opportunity to go buy some nice clothes or some other status symbol that might make them more liked at school. 

    A similar anecdote: I worked in this very, very poor neighborhood for a year and the city was trying to extend tons of outreach there. They sent an organization that worked on sustainable food patterns and such to offer cooking classes and free vegetables. So these folks turn up, and community members came to the classes. What were the recipes: quinoa with artichoke heart. (The community members had never heard of either item.) Then they went on to preach about the importance of organic food -- not really the logical next step for folks living off of extremely cheap, processed food. Frozen or canned vegetables would have been a good next step. Or just learning to bake a chicken. They didn't even have a grocery store nearby that sold anything organic. And asking someone in poverty to spend $2 more on a package of strawberries -- nonsense. 

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  • Mobile and not great at trimming quote trees but along the lines of everyone needing the life skills class described, also consider the housing market crash. Plenty of people with good jobs got mortgages that they still couldn't afford that contributed to that crash.

    I have family who are doing ok and going on fairly exotic vacations but still complain about their lack of cash make fun of H when he made a comment about needing to set a budget for after the babies arrive. I kid you not. They told him a budget was worthless, that you just dip into savings as needed. Everyone needs to know how to budget.
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  • Pepper6 said:
    @curlylocks3, I guess I should clarify:  classes would be mandatory for ALL public high school students, regardless of the income area.  Also, more along the lines of preventing people from relying on long term assistance.  Obviously, some people will need it for a variety of lengths for a variety of reasons regardless, but in the theory that many people are currently on assistance because they were never taught any better.
    I'd support the class on life skills. Those skills help someone to change their financial circumstances, yes, but I also think they are vital skills to have regardless of your income level. I don't think it should be geared as "by taking this class we hope to make it less likely that you'll need public assistance" as much as "these are important life skills to know". 
    Hell, I think it should have been taught in my expensive private high school. 

    Yeah, the way I'd like to see it would be geared as a general "this is important information everyone should know", but just a side benefit would possibly help lower income students break out of the cycle of poverty by giving them the information to understand and make better financial decisions than their parents have the knowledge to teach them.

    To be honest though, I know so many of my own peers who, at age 26/27 STILL don't know how to manage their own finances because their parents have always done it for them that would almost benefit more from it.  These are parents who DO know how to manage money, but for whatever reason don't pass it on to their kids.

    I just think overall, it would benefit society as a whole, not only by cutting the amount of people receiving social assistance, but cutting on consumer debt, foreclosures, bankruptcies, etc.  I just can't understand why the hell we don't implement it (probably because no one is willing to fund it, but jeez...we should find a way)
  • I use WIC descretly as possible. DF is a doc and just got out of med school. I had insurance when we were trying to get pregnant and then lost my job due to down sizing. I can't be on DF insurance right away and so we went with state insurance bc there was no way we could afford to just get any insurance. Even though DF has a good job and bc he is a doc people thinks he makes good money. In a few years he will make great money but for now he makes less that the cut off for wic.
    What I hate about assistance is when you are in line behind a lady at Walmart with 4 kids under 6 and they are nasty(need bathed, faces wiped off) and she has a buggy full of frozen pizza, chips, and soda. There is absolutely nothing in there that her kids need to eat everyday. (I love frozen pizza) and then it rings up to like $250 and she uses her food stamp card and pays for the food. You seriously could have gotten so much more food, and better food, had she taken the time to shop and cook at home!!!
    Sorry rant over. :)
    I do not judge the need of assistance, just the use....sometimes!

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  • Pepper6 said:
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    wtfisup said:
    FLIP FLOPS AREN'T SHOES. They're not even sandals. Specifically, the Old Navy flip flops are only appropriate for quick runs to the store, pools, beaches, or your own patio. They do not go with an adult outfit, such as out to a meal. 

    I live in my Reef and Sanuk flip flops...they are the most comfortable shoes I own.  In fact, I'm wearing them today at work ;-p
    @Pepper6   Reefs are my absolute fave.. can't wait till its warm enough to put them back on here!! :)
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  • wtfisup said:
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    I agree with @lilygrace48 Your life is a product of your choices and actions. If you don't like it, change it. It won't always be fast or easy, but it is no one's fault but your own if you don't try. And, if you aren't willing to change the parts of your life that you don't like, don't bitch about them! You are CHOOSING that path, don't blame others for your choices. /endrant
    HERM? 

    I came from poverty; got out of poverty; worked with poverty through nonprofits. Not all courses are within one's control. They're just not. I was able to have a lot of control, but it took my family five generations of steady progress to get someone out of that situation. My great-great grandmother was a young women who was impregnated and became a prostitute. Her kids were able to live slightly better lives and own property. The next generation learned to read and write, though barely. My father was the first to go to high school. And I went to college and grad school. 

    People in situations of dire need don't always have the emotional capacity to make long-term choices. If your livelihood, safety, and ability to eat are threatened on a daily basis, planning to go to college isn't quite feasible. People don't emerge from a people factory with equal footing in the world, equal aptitudes, etc. If you are literally struggling to have food and shelter, you may not have the emotional, social, and community resources to "make better choices." If you add a family member with drug use, a medical illness, or an abusive environment -- all of which are more common for folks living in poverty -- you're also more likely to struggle with depression. Just staying alive can be a tremendous feat. When basic needs aren't met or secure, you don't always have the ability to strive beyond. 

    I got out of poverty not because of my hard work or integrity, but because my brother died and his life insurance paid for my college. It was a horrible situation. And it was the only means possible for me to go to college, which was the only way for me to leave my small town. Poverty is an isolating, inaccessible place that puts tremendous stress on its inhabitants. Living in poverty is much harder than climbing out of it, yet to escape, you have to do both simultaneously. 
    I just want to mention that I'm not talking about the things that you just mentioned, and I agree with you on those.  I'm talking about "woe is me, I'm a stay at home mom so I can't ever have any time for myself" and "woe is me, I'm a working mom so I can't give my children what I'd like to be able to give them attention wise" stuff.  Big, but in a different way, and, in my mind, easier to make choices to change than what you mention. 

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  • wtfisup said:

    FLIP FLOPS AREN'T SHOES. They're not even sandals. Specifically, the Old Navy flip flops are only appropriate for quick runs to the store, pools, beaches, or your own patio. They do not go with an adult outfit, such as out to a meal.

    I love this SO MUCH! Flip flops aren't the only sandal option out there, folks.
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  • JNerdJNerd member
    edited March 2014


    wtfisup said:


    JNerd said:

    I agree with @lilygrace48
    Your life is a product of your choices and actions. If you don't like it, change it. It won't always be fast or easy, but it is no one's fault but your own if you don't try. And, if you aren't willing to change the parts of your life that you don't like, don't bitch about them! You are CHOOSING that path, don't blame others for your choices. /endrant

    HERM? 

    I came from poverty; got out of poverty; worked with poverty through nonprofits. Not all courses are within one's control. They're just not. I was able to have a lot of control, but it took my family five generations of steady progress to get someone out of that situation. My great-great grandmother was a young women who was impregnated and became a prostitute. Her kids were able to live slightly better lives and own property. The next generation learned to read and write, though barely. My father was the first to go to high school. And I went to college and grad school. 

    People in situations of dire need don't always have the emotional capacity to make long-term choices. If your livelihood, safety, and ability to eat are threatened on a daily basis, planning to go to college isn't quite feasible. People don't emerge from a people factory with equal footing in the world, equal aptitudes, etc. If you are literally struggling to have food and shelter, you may not have the emotional, social, and community resources to "make better choices." If you add a family member with drug use, a medical illness, or an abusive environment -- all of which are more common for folks living in poverty -- you're also more likely to struggle with depression. Just staying alive can be a tremendous feat. When basic needs aren't met or secure, you don't always have the ability to strive beyond. 

    I got out of poverty not because of my hard work or integrity, but because my brother died and his life insurance paid for my college. It was a horrible situation. And it was the only means possible for me to go to college, which was the only way for me to leave my small town. Poverty is an isolating, inaccessible place that puts tremendous stress on its inhabitants. Living in poverty is much harder than climbing out of it, yet to escape, you have to do both simultaneously. 

    I just want to mention that I'm not talking about the things that you just mentioned, and I agree with you on those.  I'm talking about "woe is me, I'm a stay at home mom so I can't ever have any time for myself" and "woe is me, I'm a working mom so I can't give my children what I'd like to be able to give them attention wise" stuff.  Big, but in a different way, and, in my mind, easier to make choices to change than what you mention. 


    -------quote fail--------
    I was more making reference to people being is shiddy relationships and refusing to end them, or complaining about their weight and doing nothing (eating healthier, exercising, seeking guidance from a nutritionist etc) to change it. I know 'it's isn't that easy' but no one said it would be. It can be hard to go from 2 incomes to 1 (for example) from sharing bills to paying for everything yourself, but hard doesn't mean impossible.
    I also understand that it takes time to make changes, but that doesn't mean it isn't possible.




  • LoHerrim said:
    1) Flip flops are most definitely shoes. I have several pair and live in them all year. I have permanent tan lines. My Kiwi Flip Flops are fucking amazing. 2) I will post on every thread if I have something to say or contribute. I give zero fucks about popularity. We're not all gonna like each other and I know there are lots of people who don't like me or my opinions/posts/personality. It's cool, it's the internet. I don't have to see you IRL. 3) I just applied for medical assistance after receiving a $2,000 bill from my hospital (from my 1st visit, so I know there are two more in the mail) after my health insurance was billed. Dude, I can't afford to pay $450 a month in premiums AND pay a ridiculous amount every time I need to use my "insurance". 4) I am passive aggressive. It's not something I like about myself and I am constantly trying to walk a thin line of "I don't want to be a complete bitch, but this is fucking ridiculous" that never seems to work.
    I love all of this. I especially agree with #1 and #2. I am more on the aggressive side though :)

  • @LoHerrim I'm stuck in a box!!!

    LoHerrim said:
    1) Flip flops are most definitely shoes. I have several pair and live in them all year. I have permanent tan lines. This. As a former Californian, we are having trouble breaking our footwear habits when there are ice storms, LOL. My feet never feel comfy in regular shoes anymore!

    2) I will post on every thread if I have something to say or contribute. I give zero fucks about popularity. We're not all gonna like each other and I know there are lots of people who don't like me or my opinions/posts/personality. It's cool, it's the internet. I don't have to see you IRL. It helps to never be popular in the first place because then there is no fall from grace. ;) I speak from experience.

    3) I just applied for medical assistance after receiving a $2,000 bill from my hospital. This is the story of my life. I am still paying off an MRI from 2012, everything from this pregnancy, and Lincoln's hospitalization in 2012. I always pay my debts, which means they each get a small payment from me till the day I die. :'(

    4) I am passive aggressive. It's not something I like about myself and I am constantly trying to walk a thin line of "I don't want to be a complete bitch, but this is fucking ridiculous" that never seems to work.Concur, but I would also like to add that especially on the internet, you can't be responsible for other people's comprehension or selective reading. So, be self-aware and always try to improve, but don't own it when other people pick and choose what they take from stuff.

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    Really? It's in my fridge and my appt is still a few weeks off but I've been dreading that little bottle of orange stuff. This gives me hope.
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  • I'm going to say regardless of your opinion of Dave Matthews music (I can take it or leave it) you should definitely try his wine. ;)
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  • jshrop said:

    I'm going to say regardless of your opinion of Dave Matthews music (I can take it or leave it) you should definitely try his wine. ;)

    He has wine? WTF??
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  • It's the dreaming tree brand (points to my booze porn). Their Crush is a nice bold red, and seriously one of my absolute favorite wines! I was introduced to it by a girlfriend who is obsessed with dM. (He's the ONLY guy on her "list")
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  • Ewww... Your friend has awful taste in men. Lol! I'm going to look for it and add it to my wine bar collection to try once this baby is out. :)
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  • jshropjshrop member
    edited March 2014

    Ugh, this uo got too nice. I was hoping for some drama to entertain me during my gd screen. UO FAIL!

    I was going to say something along the lines of @brighteyes112 is a bitchy salty hoe to try and shake things up but it's so not worth the effort and will just start a gif off. BTW those definitely remind me of the dance battles a la sharks vs. jets. I keep waiting for people to bust out songs too.
    Eta: also, no one will believe me that I actually think that
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  • I can clean up shit, piss, vomit, etc without a problem. However, I can't touch a cigarette butt without wanting to vomit and scour myself with bleach. When I was a child, they were everywhere. If I sat on the couch, I'd knock over an ashtray. My mother left ashtrays on cushions, counters, tables, toilets...everywhere. She still does. She would wash dishes and soak some plates. Later I'd have to pull the plug in the water and there would be butts in there. She'd be talking on the phone, not paying attention, need to put one out, and toss it in the water. I'd go to pee and they'd be in the toilet... Same story. I can't handle it. When DH came home from Iraq as a smoker, it nearly tore us apart. I've learned to deal with it over the past few years, but I still have some quirks. I won't touch them, but I don't make him leave our property to do it anymore. So if we ever meet in a Walmart parking lot and you see me walking in a zig zag pattern, I'm avoiding stepping on butts. 
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    Ugh, this uo got too nice. I was hoping for some drama to entertain me during my gd screen. UO FAIL!

    I was going to say something along the lines of @brighteyes112 is a bitchy salty hoe to try and shake things up but it's so not worth the effort and will just start a gif off. Bye those definitely remind me of the dance battles a la sharks vs. jets. I keep waiting for people to bust out songs too.
    Eta: also, no one will believe me that I actually think that
    DONT CALL ME A SALTY HOE!!!!!!!!!!! Bitch, totally.
    Ill ban yo ass.

    MOD ABUSE OF POWER!!! Is there someone we can report this to??!??!

    Yep just tag @brighteyes112. She will get to it in priority order. Goahead....hold your breath.

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  • JNerdJNerd member
    edited March 2014
    @saltypearl I was thinking about CALM (career and life management- a mandatory high school class) and how useless it was as a class. I'm sure the information was good, but did any of it stick when it would have mattered? Not really. I still had credit card issues, and am very grateful for H&R block for my taxes. The best classes can be offered, but if the audience isn't ready to listen they won't make a difference. Plus, I had no context for things like paying bills which made the 'lessons' make even less of an impact.
  • @BrightEyes112 I think the orange glucose drink tastes like flat orange pop. I shake up my pop in a bottle and let the bubbles come out to flatten it a little, so I liked it too :-)
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