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The Museum of Extraordinary Things - Book Club discussion 2.0

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Re: The Museum of Extraordinary Things - Book Club discussion 2.0

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  • Since your promised I won't be stoned to death, I say read past 18. Could we start our posts with the chapter we've finished? That way if I'm on chapter 25 and someone's comment is prefaced with chapter 28, I know not to read. But anyone who I'm caught up with, I want to know what they're thinking.
    I wouldn't mind people reading/posting about chapters past 18, but would definitely appreciate a heads up before I accidentally read a spoiler. I'm really enjoying the book so far, just can't find enough time to read as much as I would like  :((
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  • Maybe we should make a new thread for posts past ch 18?
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    I read this book a few months ago...Its a really good read!!  
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  • I think there will be a lot more discussion after chapter 18 as well. Things get juicy and I'm trying to keep my mouth shut so I don't spoil it for everyone. :)

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  • Litera, you are a CRAZY FAST reader. I love it. I am a snail in comparison.
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  • Chapter 51. Spoilers abound.



    So, I think what impresses me most about this book is how deftly the stories are interwoven. I knew there was goi to be some sort of showdown between Rachel and Connor, but I never guessed it would involve so much of the other stories as well. I always marvel at authors that are able to plan like that when they develop the story. I am not liking what has happened to Tess' situation. While te beginning stages seemed realistic to me, I'm sort of finding he tacit forgiveness a little...awful, I guess. Not much more to go, but I had to stop myself before I finished the book so that maybe I can contribute something!
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  • SPOILERS****

    I totally agree :-) Tess is a character I feel could have her own novel with room to develop her a bit more. I was definitely left with blue balls on her showdown scene with Felicity and even her milquetoast husband, I mean..... Conner made her more of an interesting person, she was more exciting, more of who I'd like to see. With Will, she became really defeated and more sentimental about her attachment to him. We didn't see why she decided to stay with him, there was more like a duty there to be with him. I guess it's different when you have kids with a man, but if the author insisted on keeping Tess's prerogative mainly as a woman needing something more tangible than that, then we have to hold her to that standard. It felt a little wrapped up and mailed in with that whole ending (Tess and Will) Felicity deserved to be treated like the betraying whore she was, rather than trying to make us, the reader, as sympathetic to "the fat girl who became a swan" blah blah blah. 

    Now, Rachel, I felt, was unique with her attitude towards finding the real killer. It was odd that she was content with knowing and being able to hold John-Paul's freedom over his head and watch him squirm, but remarkable that she decided to give him time with his daughter. Time that she never got with Janie. Suddenly a compassionate thing to do to a man, when she was hours before willing to kill Conner for it. I still don't know how I feel about that TBH. Which in itself is interesting :-P
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    I think I've decided that I really didn't like the Tess storyline. I honestly think it might have been put in to add a little spice to what is really a very well written mystery/intrigue novel. Her story didn't advance the plot, and didn't really add anything but a little heat (not that I don't like that too!), but it was almost distracting from the real story of two women dealing with loss in two very different situations that are thrust together. Cecilia and Rachel are..more believable characters to me. I think Rachel's response was partly a form of letting go of her own issues via forgiveness, but also a little bit of self-preservation thrown in to make it compelling. What a sad story, though!! I really enjoyed it...
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  • Chapter 25

    I know I am not as far as some of you, but here is what I got so far. Also, I am a little bitchy so please bear with me

    - I am sure I would like Rachel more but I can't get over how much she dislikes her daughter in law. Things may change ( and I hope they do) but from what I can tell her DIL seems like a polite nice girl who loves her family and son etc and it seems like no matter WHAT she does, Rachel can NEVER give her the satisfaction of approvals. The chocolates she gave her ( or cookies?) which she LOVED but when asked if she would like more she says no they were too sweet for her. Seriously, WTF is so wrong with saying they were delicious thank you so much! The poor DIL can't even wear her hair in a ponytail without some snarky thought from Rachel. ( * I understand there is underying issues with Janie dying and now she has this "daughter" but I just dont like it)

    - I am really stuck on Cecilia. Sometimes I like her and other times Im just like huh? What would you ladies do in her position? Would you turn your husband in?

    - Tess.... Sleeping with someone in two days, don't get me wrong GOOD FOR HER her husband is a POS anyway, but I did think it was a wee bit too soon.



    Also- I thought this thread would be like 9 pages by now with all the interest in the book suggestions... Where is everyone?! Can we also do Gifs of how we picture the characters? These are mine



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  • Did Rachel start disliking her DIL because she was taking Rachel's grandson out of the country, or did she always dislike her? It makes me uncomfortable because I relate to the little bits about Lauren, and I'm a career woman and make more than DH. It makes me wonder if my MIL secretly dislikes me but just pretends to like me!
        



  • Did Rachel start disliking her DIL because she was taking Rachel's grandson out of the country, or did she always dislike her? It makes me uncomfortable because I relate to the little bits about Lauren, and I'm a career woman and make more than DH. It makes me wonder if my MIL secretly dislikes me but just pretends to like me!
    I'm not sure, from what it sounds like in the beginning she never liked her based on the remarks she made about " Lauren Time" and how her son always changes the diapers and checks on Jacob while Lauren was the bread winner
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  • Re: chapter 25
    Love the gifs. I picture Cecilia quite simalarly. I think Rachel has a slight animosity towards Lauren because, in short, she's terribly jealous. Rob looks up to Lauren with regards to her career, which is in the same field Rachel was in years ago, though she thinks Rob forgot or doesn't care. In her opinion Lauren is given more credit and does less.
    I wondered the same thing regarding turning in my husband or not. It'd be easier to sweep under the rug if you didn't know the victim or the family, though it would be the worst possible secret to have. Some things are simply unforgivable, though, no?
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    I get the impression that Rachel doesn't hate Lauren per say, it's more that she disapproves of the way she takes care of the family. Maybe she resents her because she wishes she could be having the same kind of relationship with her own daughter?

    SPOILERS (through the end!)

    I agree that Tess is more enticing and exciting and well, a more entertaining character with Connor, but I feel like her ending up back with Will seems more realistic. She's doing what's right for her family, even if it means sacrificing her chance at true love and happiness. She knows she'll still be happy with Will at least on some level. As someone who's been in a similar situation, I felt like her giving up Connor was just more relatable.


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  • Spoilers - I'll try to stay somewhere in the 20's but I can't promise anything

    I don't know what I would do if I were Cecilia.  I would have had all the emotions she had.  I would look at him and see a father who loved his daughters and not be able to see someone who would murder a girl just because she rejected him.  I would have no idea what to do because turning him would ruin their children's lives.  They would have to move, maybe out of the country, so they could lead a semi-normal life.  I would be so mad that he put that in a letter where they would find this out when he died.  I think that was selfish to put on her and the girls. 

    Rachel is very interesting.  I think Lauren must be the opposite of what she thinks Janie would have been like.  Lauren seems to try really hard to do things that will make Rachel like her but we don't get into Lauren's head to see if she desires that relationship or is just trying for Rob's sake. 

    Tess does surprise me with how quickly she decides to "recycle".  I know she must have been extremely hurt and angry but I think waiting a bit might have been healthier for her in the long run.  It just complicates an already complicated situation.  Okay, hope I didn't spoil anything for anyone.  I'm trying to be good.

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  • I finished! I will write my novel opinion when I get back on my laptop but what a weird ending!
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  • Chapter 43



    I can't believe Cecilia is somewhat keeping it together (or pretending too). I would be losing my mind and hope I would be able to go to the police if something like this ever happened to me. I think she will eventually come clean and tell someone about Janie. Also John Paul's mother is creepy. I'm wondering how that is all going to play out.

    I say good for Tess! It seems like she is finally realizing that she did whatever Felicity wanted/needed. I know it's good to have your BFF, but sometimes you have to put your relationship first. I hope her and Conner end up together, or hope that she doesn't go back to Will.

    I just really feel bad for Rachel. How hard must it be to not know who killed your daughter and then your son moving across the country. Hopefully she will get some closure at the end of the book.

    Can't wait to see what happens next!
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  • Ack! I totally missed that we were discussing it as we go! I thought we were reading to 18 then discussing, so I'm playing catch up in the thread. I'm listening to the book (I listen all day at work). With all the characters involved, it was super hard to figure out all the relationships without being able to flip back pages. But, now that I know who is who, I'm loving it!
  • Csltdk said: I finished! I will write my novel opinion when I get back on my laptop but what a weird ending! Don't even get me started on the Epilogue. Weird closure is one thing, but that...that was...odd.
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  • Great. So I'm dreaming about this book. I dreamed my husband told me he's been making out with a number of girls (no sex) for the past 11 months. So naturally I find my ex boyfriend and have lots of sex him with. Aaack.
  • Great. So I'm dreaming about this book. I dreamed my husband told me he's been making out with a number of girls (no sex) for the past 11 months. So naturally I find my ex boyfriend and have lots of sex him with. Aaack.
    Same here...I had a dream that my friend's husband killed someone and she and I were deciding if/how to cover up the murder. My husband's explanation for the whole thing was just that "the dude made him mad". 
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  • Chapter 20

    Just got through the reading of the letter and holy crap was I surprised. Its one of those moments in life you just wish you could rewind and take back. If Cecilia could just unread the letter she could just nicely go back to selling Tupperware (btw do Tupperware parties still exist?? I remember my mom going to a lot when I was in elementary school). I forsee a dream coming about my DH killing someone too @BoraBoraBaby and @kwh33ls

    Very interested to see how that story line develops in the second half of the book. 
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  • mrs.amma said:

    Chapter 20


    Just got through the reading of the letter and holy crap was I surprised. Its one of those moments in life you just wish you could rewind and take back. If Cecilia could just unread the letter she could just nicely go back to selling Tupperware (btw do Tupperware parties still exist?? I remember my mom going to a lot when I was in elementary school). I forsee a dream coming about my DH killing someone too @BoraBoraBaby and @kwh33ls

    Very interested to see how that story line develops in the second half of the book. 
    I just finished the letter too! I was coming to say OMG the letter!!! I'm not surprised, with how all the characters are being developed and wound together, but OMG!!!

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  • *Spoilers* Done! Loved the ending. I was honestly expecting Conner to find out that he'd suffered so much unnecessary guilt, thanks to Jean-Paul, and almost wished for that to happen so that he could finally let go of his manifested demons. Jean Paul is definitely paying but I don't know that Cecilia will ever fully trust him.

    I think Rachel is going to live the rest of her life in turmoil no matter what, and that's heart-breaking. Maybe Rob and Lauren could invite her to live in NY as well. Not with them, but in the area, so that she can continue seeing Jacob grow up and be a part of their lives. Maybe Lauren will want that now that Rachel has knocked down her "Berlin wall."
  • I give myself an F for this round of book club. Y'all took off with this book and I didn't even download it. I promise to jump on board for the next book. 

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  • Just finished! **SPOILERS**



    I loved the way all the story lines intertwined. It gave the book a good pace and kept my interest.



    For me, Tess was the most relatable character. I was expecting she would have a big blow out with Will and leave him for Connor, but I was happily surprised that Tess and Will reconsiled the way they did. It felt more real to me. I know a lot of people will see it as Tess caving but I think there is a lot to be said for salvaging the best of a relationship and putting in effort to repair the damage.



    I do wish there was more about how the characters turned out in the future. How did Polly handle having only her left arm? How did Will and Tess ultimately turn out? Did Rachel go to NY and how did she ultimately cope with knowing Janie's murderer? Though I did like the epilogue and the thought that a slight change in the past could affect many people's future



    Overall really loved this book. Solid choice ladies!
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  • I finished on Friday. Spoilers below!!!!!


    Rachel-I did not see her trying to run down Conner and then hitting Polly. I feel bad for Rachel because she get got closure with Janie and but in came at a price. I don't like how we never found out what happened with her grandson and New York. I felt like the author could have wrapped that up more. 

    Tess- She was probably my favorite character until the very end. I might be the only one but I wished she would have stayed with Conner. Then in the epilogue it sounded like her and Felicity became friends again- I don't think I could ever be friends with someone that fell in love with my husband. I would be way too jealous.

    Cecilia- I'm glad she came out and told Rachel about the killing. I don't think Jean Paul really suffered for killing Janie. I know he regretted it and his daughter will not have her arm (which is horrible) but at least all of his kids are still alive. 

    Overall I was a little disappointed in the ending, but it was a good book. I can't wait for our next book!!
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  • Tess- She was probably my favorite character until the very end. I might be the only one but I wished she would have stayed with Conner. Then in the epilogue it sounded like her and Felicity became friends again- I don't think I could ever be friends with someone that fell in love with my husband. I would be way too jealous.

    Yes- this. I was so upset that she got back with Will and had another baby ( Which- if it was Connors, he has a right to know) IDK- maybe it is because I don't have a child but I just dont see how she can trust and love him again for the sake of keeping the family together. Also, yeah I would never talk to Felicity again. Ew.
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  • First, when DH asked me what I was reading and I told him, his response was "Fiction?  Really?  I don't know when I've ever seen you read fiction."  I tend to stick to books on history or classics and have always struggled with reading contemporary fiction because whatever I seem to pick up is really poorly written.  I appreciated this push into something new.  Now...

    Finished Last Night - Long and Spoilers

    I don't understand the point of the Tess storyline within the whole book.  Ultimately with how everything came together, it seemed like it was just thrown in there to add some thickness to the book and give a reason for Connor to be at that spot on Good Friday for Rachel to see and try to hit.  Seems like there could have been other ways to do that without creating a whole separate story line.  

    While I'm on Tess, on the one hand, I understand why she went back to Will, though I think her "showdown" with Felicity was a little to easy.  Ultimately, I could see why she allows Felicity back into her life (as the epilogue indicates), but it seems like there needed to be a harder split first.    I think Felicity made the right choice to leave.  She needed to get out from under Tess's wing and Tess needed grow on her own without the crutch of Tess as well.  They'd basically been attached at the hip since birth and both had perspectives on why that was and who's fault it was, but ultimately it was a mutually dependent relationship and they needed to break away from each other.

     Cecilia and the letter-On the one hand, I don't believe I would have read it (at least initially), but when you put JPs behavior all together, it certainly makes it hard not to.  There were hints at Cecilia's behavior and oversharing being something she "got from her mother" but that was never explained or developed, so you just had to take it at face value.  Whatever the reason, it seems like she is very good a compartmentalizing everything in her life, manifested in being a tupperware salesperson, and when something life altering is thrown into the mix, I enjoyed reading about how she tries to cope and ultimately compartmentalize that.

    Rachel-I can't even imagine, though I feel like the author did the best job with her character and really getting into what she was feeling, what it would be like, and how she had attempted to cope.  Ultimately, I believe she started to see how much she had neglected her son after the murder and while she didn't have any love for her DIL, it seemed like just before/after the accident she saw a new light on it and I have to believe she worked to improve that relationship. 

    The accident: Obviously something was going to happen that brought all of these characters together.  I'm still working in my head if the outcome seems right.  So Rachel knows who murdered her daughter, but she's not going to say anything because she ran over that person's daughter (on accident), so they're even, even though the daughter survived (though with one less arm)?  Not sure if that all adds up to me.

    Epilogue:  WTH was that?  What is the point of putting a whole bunch of "what ifs" at the end of a fiction book.  You are the author.  That's not how the story you decided to write went, so why provide these possibilities?  That was just indulgent and superfluous on the author's part to me and really made what was overall a good read less enjoyable for me.
  • First, when DH asked me what I was reading and I told him, his response was "Fiction?  Really?  I don't know when I've ever seen you read fiction."  I tend to stick to books on history or classics and have always struggled with reading contemporary fiction because whatever I seem to pick up is really poorly written.  I appreciated this push into something new.  Now...

    Finished Last Night - Long and Spoilers

    I don't understand the point of the Tess storyline within the whole book.  Ultimately with how everything came together, it seemed like it was just thrown in there to add some thickness to the book and give a reason for Connor to be at that spot on Good Friday for Rachel to see and try to hit.  Seems like there could have been other ways to do that without creating a whole separate story line.  

    While I'm on Tess, on the one hand, I understand why she went back to Will, though I think her "showdown" with Felicity was a little to easy.  Ultimately, I could see why she allows Felicity back into her life (as the epilogue indicates), but it seems like there needed to be a harder split first.    I think Felicity made the right choice to leave.  She needed to get out from under Tess's wing and Tess needed grow on her own without the crutch of Tess as well.  They'd basically been attached at the hip since birth and both had perspectives on why that was and who's fault it was, but ultimately it was a mutually dependent relationship and they needed to break away from each other.

     Cecilia and the letter-On the one hand, I don't believe I would have read it (at least initially), but when you put JPs behavior all together, it certainly makes it hard not to.  There were hints at Cecilia's behavior and oversharing being something she "got from her mother" but that was never explained or developed, so you just had to take it at face value.  Whatever the reason, it seems like she is very good a compartmentalizing everything in her life, manifested in being a tupperware salesperson, and when something life altering is thrown into the mix, I enjoyed reading about how she tries to cope and ultimately compartmentalize that.

    Rachel-I can't even imagine, though I feel like the author did the best job with her character and really getting into what she was feeling, what it would be like, and how she had attempted to cope.  Ultimately, I believe she started to see how much she had neglected her son after the murder and while she didn't have any love for her DIL, it seemed like just before/after the accident she saw a new light on it and I have to believe she worked to improve that relationship. 

    The accident: Obviously something was going to happen that brought all of these characters together.  I'm still working in my head if the outcome seems right.  So Rachel knows who murdered her daughter, but she's not going to say anything because she ran over that person's daughter (on accident), so they're even, even though the daughter survived (though with one less arm)?  Not sure if that all adds up to me.

    Epilogue:  WTH was that?  What is the point of putting a whole bunch of "what ifs" at the end of a fiction book.  You are the author.  That's not how the story you decided to write went, so why provide these possibilities?  That was just indulgent and superfluous on the author's part to me and really made what was overall a good read less enjoyable for me.

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    For me, I really enjoyed the Epilogue. It really made me think about things and how one minor change in our daily schedule could change the outcome of our life and/or the life of several others. If Janie would have remembered that her mother was supposed to pick her up to go the dr., she more than likely wouldn't have been with Connor that night or John-Paul. Rachel wouldn't have lived all these years thinking Connor was the killer and the little girl might not have lost her arm.

     

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  • @SEMaddox‌ I totally agree. I honestly had a feeling at the end that Tess was thrown in for a little sexiness in what is really a sad sort of mystery story. The Epilogue seemed so weird to me...the Polly playing tennis thing? I didn't get that addition at all. The book overall wasn't bad--I actually liked the Cecilia and Rachel stories a lot..I just feel like the author wasn't really able to make those two stories compelling enough without the addition of Tess and her fling.
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  • SEMaddox said:

    Epilogue:  WTH was that?  What is the point of putting a whole bunch of "what ifs" at the end of a fiction book.  You are the author.  That's not how the story you decided to write went, so why provide these possibilities?  That was just indulgent and superfluous on the author's part to me and really made what was overall a good read less enjoyable for me.

    *Spoilers*

    For me, I really enjoyed the Epilogue. It really made me think about things and how one minor change in our daily schedule could change the outcome of our life and/or the life of several others. If Janie would have remembered that her mother was supposed to pick her up to go the dr., she more than likely wouldn't have been with Connor that night or John-Paul. Rachel wouldn't have lived all these years thinking Connor was the killer and the little girl might not have lost her arm.

    I can appreciate the idea of how one minor change in someone's day can drastically impact their future/history (butterfly effect?), but to me, it's a novel.  The author has the story they want to tell and that's the story they are writing.  If they want it to go in that other "possible" direction, then write that book.  Don't give me possibilities at the end of the story.  I'd rather read an epilogue about what actually happened to the characters at some point in the future then what could have happened to the characters if one moment in each of their lives had been different.
  • @LiteraChick I get your point about the laziness aspect by the author and that's probably part of why I don't like it.  I also don't like the what-ifs because you basically have an infinite number of them.  What if Janie picked JP at the park after all?  What if Tess didn't go back to Will, or did find out who the dad was?  What if Rachel called the police anyway?  The author just needs to pick a plot line and stick with it, or tell the other story.  I can come up with plenty of what-ifs on my own.

    I think the spiderman kid was a bit of foreshadowing to what was coming with Polly, though not very well done or explained so it seemed like a major after thought.
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