I never once said anyone on here was lazy I was just simply saying for EVERYONE to be making a big deal of her one question you all must not have anything better to do with your time.As for her question it wasn't anymore asinine than someone asking which breast pump works better or which of diaper works better.I understand yes in the first post she didn't lay down her life history about which procedure she was having done and why she was having it done but did it really matter???? How hard was it for someone to answer with a few helpful suggestions YES so not everyone agrees with what she was doing who cares not everyone agrees with iui or using sperm donors or egg donors but they don't attack you for asking a simple question.All I'm saying is what happened to being kind to each other this is what is wrong with our world.People like all of you I think you should stick to the old saying if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all.And as for the gender seriously people OK get over it if it is that big of a deal make sure you cuss out the hospital when they hand you a stack of forms asking for your child's gender instead of sex.Every form you fill out for your child/children will ask for gender not sex. so get over it she wasn't trying to offend anyone.SERIOUSLY everyone ask yourself if it really would have been so hard to simply answer the question she asked or if you didn't have answer just don't reply.I have never been so ashamed to be apart of a message board that attacks women they way this one does.I guess all the know it all's need to post a thread on what questions can and can not be asked on this board so ignorant people such as myself know what to ask so we don't get attacked.
1. Here you are making even more generalized, moronic statements. Don't you have anything better to do with your time? It works both ways.
2. There's a difference between "Gender" and "Sex." When people say there isn't, it's annoying to those who are sensitive and intelligent enough to recognize the difference. Educate yourself.
3. I have NEVER, EVER seen "Gender" in the place of "Sex" on any type of form, either at a school or medical office. Not once.
4. Nobody was attacked. You are being completely melodramatic, childish and simplistic. If you don't like the way the forum works, there's a little "x" at the top right hand of your screen. Click it and go. There's no reason a message board should make you this upset.
: men or male animals as a group or women or female animals as a group
: physical activity in which people touch each other's bodies, kiss each other, etc. : physical activity that is related to and often includes sexual intercourse
gender: the state of being male or female
ok and just to prove a point these came off the merriam-websters site the seem to have the same meaning
: men or male animals as a group or women or female animals as a group
: physical activity in which people touch each other's bodies, kiss each other, etc. : physical activity that is related to and often includes sexual intercourse
gender: the state of being male or female
ok and just to prove a point these came off the merriam-websters site the seem to have the same meaning
Don't you just love when people intentionally leave shit out to try and make themselves sound right? @belovedvirgo0209 that crap doesn't fly be me. What it actually says, word for word this time - Gender- the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
Oh good God. I saw the title of this thread and before even looking at it thought "Well here we go...." I get the difference between sex and gender. I didn't until recently, but now that I know, I try to use them correctly. But I honestly don't get how people can say it is OFFENSIVE to use them interchangeably. I say that as someone who can find precious little in the world to be genuinely offended about, because I see that as a waste of time and energy. Now, if she was insulting someone because their gender identity is different than their sex, then I could see getting offended. I can totally understand being annoyed by it; I'm annoyed when people refer to Native Americans as Indians. That's just as incorrect as referring to sex as gender. But I know they don't mean anything by it so I don't see the point in getting offended.
OP, I don't think there is much you can do to get the baby to cooperate. Apparently when my mom was pregnant with me they never were able to find out for sure I was a girl because I was covering myself up every time they tried to see! (But she has a pretty solid intuition for those kinds of things so she "knew" I would be a girl all along.)
As someone who had a very tragic anatomy scan with my last pregnancy I don't take offense to this at all. Infact, congrats on your innocence, I wish I still had that! Before that scan taht's exactly waht I was looking forward to was the gender, I had NO IDEA what that ultrasound detailed of and you know what shame on the doctors because they should inform you prior to the ultrasound that it's not actually just to find out the gender. Infact, my doctor and nurses said oh yay, your next ultrasound we can tell you what it is! So if anything they play it up. Take it easy on the girl, she just asked a simple question.
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<br/don't come back. There have been enough fucking idiots coming around here lately making idiotic statements just like yours. We don't have room for you, too.
With my first pregnancy, my doctor specifically told me not to drink a bunch of caffeine or take any other steps to try to get the baby moving. And it was good that I didn't, because he was rolling around like crazy anyway!
I thought this board for was support but now I see its for stay at home mommies who have nothing better to do than make a pregnant woman feel guilty/ashamed for asking a simple question
Um, these boards are highly diverse. There are working moms that post, SAHM/SAHD-- I mean everyone posts during the day.
I am just curious why you chose to pick on the SAHM? What exactly are you trying to say? Please to be explaining this @belovedvirgo0209 ?
@Kimbus22 I don't believe you answered the question as to why it is offensive. You simply say that it is offensive to use the two words interchangeably.
WHY is it OFFENSIVE (offensive, not incorrect or grammatically wrong) to use the gender in place of sex? I agree that using gender is wrong within the context of the OP, but I just don't understand why it is OFFENSIVE.
@Kimbus22 I don't believe you answered the question as to why it is offensive. You simply say that it is offensive to use the two words interchangeably.
WHY is it OFFENSIVE (offensive, not incorrect or grammatically wrong) to use the gender in place of sex? I agree that using gender is wrong within the context of the OP, but I just don't understand why it is OFFENSIVE.
Your gender might be the same as your biologically assigned sex, but that is certainly NOT the case for everyone. It is offensive to call someone's sex their "gender" because it is implying that the two things are equivalent. It's a (usually unintentional) jab that diminishes the struggles real people face in our society every single day - to these people, gender and sex aren't just words that mean the same thing.
It's like saying that it's okay for you to use the n-word just because you've never experienced racism, and don't get why it's offensive because it's just a derivation of the Spanish word negro, which means the color black - and that's not offensive, right?
I don't get what's so hard about understanding why it's offensive to some people. The BEST case scenario is that you are just willfully spreading ignorance of a very real issue that you just don't want to acknowledge actually exists.
Personally, I find the comparison of the n-word and using gender/sex interchangeably quite offensive.
I don't think anyone could compare the struggles of African Americans to the struggles of people who are gender-confused/LGBT. You're talking about a race of people who were murdered, enslaved, beaten, treated like merchandise and not only deprived of one basic right (marriage) but ALL civil rights. I realize that hate crimes among LGBT people are very real and tragic, but it isn't at all comparable to the horrific history of slavery and racism in this country.
Offensive and hateful words/names are considered so because they suggest the ignorance of the past.
The oppression that's associated with the usage of the n-word is just incomparable and suggests an entirely different level of hate/persecution/ignorance than someone saying "gender" in reference to anatomy.
I'm not on here much and likely won't check this thread again, no definitely not trying to start another debate. Just something to think about...
You completely missed the point of my comparison. No where did I say that using "gender" in place of "sex" was as egregious of an offense as calling someone the n-word. If that's what you got out of my comment, you could use a course in reading comprehension.
The comparison was not even between gender and the n-word. Or the struggles AAs face and the struggles LGBTQs face. That wasn't the argument I was making - but since you went there, if you think LGBTQs aren't murdered, tortured and beaten daily across the globe then you're even more ignorant than I thought.
Anyway, my comparison was of the PP thinking it's not a big deal to use sex and gender interchangeably because she "doesn't get why it's offensive," to someone using the fact that they've never experienced racism as an excuse to use the n-word. There isn't an excuse for willful ignorance.
Edited because I didn't realize this was in response to a different poster.
@Kimbus22 I don't believe you answered the question as to why it is offensive. You simply say that it is offensive to use the two words interchangeably.
WHY is it OFFENSIVE (offensive, not incorrect or grammatically wrong) to use the gender in place of sex? I agree that using gender is wrong within the context of the OP, but I just don't understand why it is OFFENSIVE.
Your gender might be the same as your biologically assigned sex, but that is certainly NOT the case for everyone. It is offensive to call someone's sex their "gender" because it is implying that the two things are equivalent. It's a (usually unintentional) jab that diminishes the struggles real people face in our society every single day - to these people, gender and sex aren't just words that mean the same thing.
It's like saying that it's okay for you to use the n-word just because you've never experienced racism, and don't get why it's offensive because it's just a derivation of the Spanish word negro, which means the color black - and that's not offensive, right?
I don't get what's so hard about understanding why it's offensive to some people. The BEST case scenario is that you are just willfully spreading ignorance of a very real issue that you just don't want to acknowledge actually exists.
Personally, I find the comparison of the n-word and using gender/sex interchangeably quite offensive.
I don't think anyone could compare the struggles of African Americans to the struggles of people who are gender-confused/LGBT. You're talking about a race of people who were murdered, enslaved, beaten, treated like merchandise and not only deprived of one basic right (marriage) but ALL civil rights. I realize that hate crimes among LGBT people are very real and tragic, but it isn't at all comparable to the horrific history of slavery and racism in this country.
Offensive and hateful words/names are considered so because they suggest the ignorance of the past. The oppression that's associated with the usage of the n-word is just incomparable and suggests an entirely different level of hate/persecution/ignorance than someone saying "gender" in reference to anatomy.
I'm not on here much and likely won't check this thread again, no definitely not trying to start another debate. Just something to think about...
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Rainydayluck said: Random jumping in here, but I was listening to a show on NPR discussing this very issue (comparing the plights of LGBT and AA). The panel said that it is unfair to rate or compare the plights of any oppressed people to the plights of another because the times and situations will always be so different. They said that when you are talking about the struggles and oppressions of a group of people, you must just look at the struggles of that group, not be comparing to other people who have struggled. Hope that makes sense. I'll have to see if I can find the podcast and link it up.
That being said: don't be willfully ignorant. It's sex, not gender that you are finding out with your baby.
Hormones, hormones, to the OP don't let people tear you down by trying to insult you. I had an anatomy scan not a sex scan, but while I was praying for a healthy baby, I too hoped that baby would cooperate and show off his or her thing! Wanting to know how to get baby to cooperate to find out babies sex is normal. Being pregnant is a happy exciting time for you, don't let people get you down. You never said finding out the babies sex was more important than finding out health. These are all exciting happy moments. I hope baby cooperates.
Hormones, hormones, to the OP don't let people tear you down by trying to insult you. I had an anatomy scan not a sex scan, but while I was praying for a healthy baby, I too hoped that baby would cooperate and show off his or her thing! Wanting to know how to get baby to cooperate to find out babies sex is normal. Being pregnant is a happy exciting time for you, don't let people get you down. You never said finding out the babies sex was more important than finding out health. These are all exciting happy moments. I hope baby cooperates.
I said nothing wrong to you, for you to call me clueless, I am trying to offer some support to another mother to be. Your very grumpy, to be calling names. You obviously have had a bad day!
Not as clueless as you think, just not a bit*h like you. I mean no need for bullying.
I assume that is supposed to say bitch? Oh, the irony. And yes, you're are just proving my point even further. Please educate yourself on the topic of bullying. You obviously don't know what it means. And while you're at it, maybe try reading the whole thread so you can see why the OP was flamed. It's not that fucking hard. Jesus.
Btw I do know the difference between gender and sex, but Google too uses them interchangeably. If you just Google gender scan you'll see. Not saying that, that makes it right, but for those who said Google it, must know. Oh and I have a copy of my babies r us registry paper and someone should contact cooperate, because they ask about baby gender not sex, also I had researched a company that offers specialty u/s and they too call it a gender determination scan. Again it doesn't make it right, but even big business makes these mistakes.
Btw I do know the difference between gender and sex, but Google too uses them interchangeably. If you just Google gender scan you'll see. Not saying that, that makes it right, but for those who said Google it, must know. Oh and I have a copy of my babies r us registry paper and someone should contact cooperate, because they ask about baby gender not sex, also I had researched a company that offers specialty u/s and they too call it a gender determination scan. Again it doesn't make it right, but even big business makes these mistakes.
You understand how Google works, right? How it magically completes your searches? It pulls up results for baby gender because other people have used that terminology, probably in ignorance. Its not like Google itself uses gender and sex interchangeably. I just... I can't... *facepalm*
Obviously Google didn't do this magically itself, main point was it is a common interchange! Go sue babies r us, they asked me what my babies gender was when I filled out my registry.
O no I get that it is offensive, and understand why but understand it is still a common interchange! You do not get what I am saying, and if you knew me you would not be calling me ignorant.
And what I am saying is when someone is wrong, unknowingly, there is no need to attack them. Someone could have educated OP, in a non judging way.
If you look at one of my earlier posts, I actually said this as well.. Until I read back through, and realized the OP used gender at first unintentionally, and then AFTER people told her sex was the correct terminology, she used gender again, just to be an asshole. So, I lost any sympathy I had for her.
This is sad to see. Moms and mothers to be arguing with one another over correct terminology. She asked a very specific question and some of you took it the wrong way. The bottom line is that she is anxious to know whether or not she is having a BOY or a GIRL. Weren't we all at one point?! Jeez people, let her be without bringing her down. If you don't anything nice to share then maybe it's safest to keep your opinions to yourself. Pregnancty is supposed to be a wonderful experience, not a negative one.
This is sad to see. Moms and mothers to be arguing with one another over correct terminology. She asked a very specific question and some of you took it the wrong way. The bottom line is that she is anxious to know whether or not she is having a BOY or a GIRL. Weren't we all at one point?! Jeez people, let her be without bringing her down. If you don't anything nice to share then maybe it's safest to keep your opinions to yourself. Pregnancty is supposed to be a wonderful experience, not a negative one.
If you don't like the conversation, then leave. You don't get to tell people how to respond. Not to mention, you missed the entire point of why she was flamed.
Anyone else feel like they're getting dick-slapped in the face by the irony that WKs think using gender and sex interchangeably is NBD but pointing out why that's wrong is somehow bullying?
Re: Any tips for gender ultrasound?
Preach, lady.
: men or male animals as a group or women or female animals as a group
: physical activity in which people touch each other's bodies, kiss each other, etc. : physical activity that is related to and often includes sexual intercourse
gender: the state of being male or female
ok and just to prove a point these came off the merriam-websters site the seem to have the same meaning
Don't you just love when people intentionally leave shit out to try and make themselves sound right? @belovedvirgo0209 that crap doesn't fly be me. What it actually says, word for word this time -
Gender-
the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
BFP#1 04/04/13, EDD 12/16/13
Lost our little boy on 07/26/13 at 18 weeks to UPD4
BFP#2 11/18/13, EDD 07/26/14 (One year to the date of the loss of our baby!). Grow, baby, grow!
I am just curious why you chose to pick on the SAHM? What exactly are you trying to say? Please to be explaining this @belovedvirgo0209 ?
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WHY is it OFFENSIVE (offensive, not incorrect or grammatically wrong) to use the gender in place of sex? I agree that using gender is wrong within the context of the OP, but I just don't understand why it is OFFENSIVE.
It's like saying that it's okay for you to use the n-word just because you've never experienced racism, and don't get why it's offensive because it's just a derivation of the Spanish word negro, which means the color black - and that's not offensive, right?
I don't get what's so hard about understanding why it's offensive to some people. The BEST case scenario is that you are just willfully spreading ignorance of a very real issue that you just don't want to acknowledge actually exists.
The comparison was not even between gender and the n-word. Or the struggles AAs face and the struggles LGBTQs face. That wasn't the argument I was making - but since you went there, if you think LGBTQs aren't murdered, tortured and beaten daily across the globe then you're even more ignorant than I thought.
Anyway, my comparison was of the PP thinking it's not a big deal to use sex and gender interchangeably because she "doesn't get why it's offensive," to someone using the fact that they've never experienced racism as an excuse to use the n-word. There isn't an excuse for willful ignorance.
Edited because I didn't realize this was in response to a different poster.
I don't think anyone could compare the struggles of African Americans to the struggles of people who are gender-confused/LGBT. You're talking about a race of people who were murdered, enslaved, beaten, treated like merchandise and not only deprived of one basic right (marriage) but ALL civil rights. I realize that hate crimes among LGBT people are very real and tragic, but it isn't at all comparable to the horrific history of slavery and racism in this country.
Offensive and hateful words/names are considered so because they suggest the ignorance of the past.
The oppression that's associated with the usage of the n-word is just incomparable and suggests an entirely different level of hate/persecution/ignorance than someone saying "gender" in reference to anatomy.
I'm not on here much and likely won't check this thread again, no definitely not trying to start another debate. Just something to think about...
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Rainydayluck said:
Random jumping in here, but I was listening to a show on NPR discussing this very issue (comparing the plights of LGBT and AA). The panel said that it is unfair to rate or compare the plights of any oppressed people to the plights of another because the times and situations will always be so different. They said that when you are talking about the struggles and oppressions of a group of people, you must just look at the struggles of that group, not be comparing to other people who have struggled. Hope that makes sense. I'll have to see if I can find the podcast and link it up.
That being said: don't be willfully ignorant. It's sex, not gender that you are finding out with your baby.
STFU. You're utterly clueless.
I assume that is supposed to say bitch? Oh, the irony. And yes, you're are just proving my point even further. Please educate yourself on the topic of bullying. You obviously don't know what it means. And while you're at it, maybe try reading the whole thread so you can see why the OP was flamed. It's not that fucking hard. Jesus.
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If you look at one of my earlier posts, I actually said this as well.. Until I read back through, and realized the OP used gender at first unintentionally, and then AFTER people told her sex was the correct terminology, she used gender again, just to be an asshole. So, I lost any sympathy I had for her.
If you don't like the conversation, then leave. You don't get to tell people how to respond. Not to mention, you missed the entire point of why she was flamed.