UO Thursday!

uagirl · January 2014

Skeemer said:

Parts of Alabama where I live were such awful weather conditions & the meteorologists never saw it coming.
1) I'm tired of my Northern friends on Facebook laughing at how Southerners don't know how to drive in 2 inches of snow. We get maybe 3 snow flakes a year so of course we don't know how to drive in the snow. My kid wore a t-shirt on Christmas day because it was so dang hot. Also, it wasn't just snow. In many places it was dang near 1-2 inch sheets of ice on the roads. People were stranded for 6-12 hours at a time, 5 people in the state lost their lives & pregnant women delivered at home & in a car because they couldn't get the hospital. So shut up FB friends & have some compassion. To my knowledge, no one here laughed at you during hurricanes & etc that you weren't prepared for & if they did then shame on them.
2) For crying outloud Southerners! We had one cold snap 2 weeks or so ago. Did you not think to put a case of water, dry shelf foods, flashlights & blankets/sleeping bags in your cars in case it happened again? If you didn't then I truly hope you learn something from this & put something in the trunk of your cars other than old Burger King food bags.
UO over & now I want Burger King. *sigh*

My 61 year old mom walked 4 miles to get to safety on Tuesday. It took my stepdad 7 hours to drive 20 miles. My FIL has spent the last 2 nights sleeping at work. A friend slept in a hotel lobby. It sucked and I would like to throat punch the laughing northerners.

cookieinva · January 2014

kleMcK said:

@JEChester the back and forth is the reason this is one of the only threads I enjoy all week long. If everyone came in and posted an opinion and nobody commented on what other people had written, it would be a lot like standing in a room where everyone was talking and nobody was listening. Which is what a lot of the threads here end up being.

I agree and really if people just spout off thoughts/opinions without any back and forth, explanation, or defense, no one ever learns anything. In life and not just on the The Bump.

I like posts that have respectful and even intellectual exchange, even if it doesn't "change my mind" about something; sometimes it is nice to know what the other side is like. Unless the other side is crazy, then it is just nice to know who is crazy.

uagirl · January 2014

milestrellas said:

My UO is that I don't really get what the big deal about Madonna is. I liked her music back when I was younger, but none of her recent music has been any good and it seems like she tries too hard to be edgy.

I just want to know why she was dressed like Col. Sanders at the Grammys.

jensavicci · January 2014

INmommy871278 said:
My UO, I hate lotion, I hate the texture and the feel it leaves on my skin. My hands are starting to crack so I am going to have to break down and use some, but I strongly dislike it.

@jensavicci I too had to google pansexuality and was completely baffled that the gender class I took in college didn't cover pansexuality. Also, DS has dolls and other toys that are typically considered "girl" toys and he uses pink sippie cups because what difference does color make, it's just a color. DH bucked at first about giving DS dolls and such, but he has come to see my ways.

@jessa8907 I completely agree with you! I don't understand how they can say church and state are separate yet they make the decision on what is legally a marriage based off of what the church says.

That brings me another a UO: I hate when people say that couples of the same sex shouldn't have children together because it will mess up the child in such and such way. As a previous child are provider for a daycare we had several children from same sex families and they interacted with the other kids normally and were happy, the argument that they will turn out gay or lesbian themselves or not be treated well is ridiculous.

Your comment on the Kids reminds me of my son.

Unfortunately, he was teased a bit by this one boy at school for having two moms. He knew this because sometimes both I and DW would pick him at the same time and he would proudly announce our arrival. So, he came to us upset one day because of what the boy was saying. DW and I calmly spoke to him about why having two moms isn't wrong. So, the next day I picked him up from school. Right before we left (I swear to god I'm not joking) he pulled the kid over by his sleeve, put his hand on his hip and said, "this is my mama and she loves my other mommy very much. You're just being mean because you don't understand. And If you don't like it, say something to her." I gave the kid a "what you got to say" look, and proudly strutted out with him. We high fived in the car too. So basically, I think my kids are turning out pretty damn great.

I just wanted to show him off! This is Sean

Lola825 · January 2014

JEChester said:
@Lola825 I like to come on here to support those who need it, I like to laugh at all the people who have great senses of humor, and I really love those who are sharing their bumps.

I would classify over opinionated as people who clog up some of these threads with their endless back-and-forth disagreements. Like I said my UO is they are exhausting, which is probably why I am not very involved here. It seems like some people are just trying to pick fights.

Having a difference of opinion and staring said opinion does not make you over-opinionated. This forum wouldn't run if everyone just agreed with everything everyone said.

Also, a different opinion and ensuing discussion does not make for "clogging" up a post. It's meant to open our eyes because perhaps you or another poster are wrong in a belief you once held and seeing someone else's point of you may help you see the other side of the discussion. I appreciate everyone's differing opinion because I don't know everything about everything and it helps me learn.

ashcross · January 2014

jensavicci that is absolutely amazing. That makes me want to cry. What a sweet and smart young man you both have raised.

INmommy871278 · January 2014

jensavicci said:

My UO, I hate lotion, I hate the texture and the feel it leaves on my skin. My hands are starting to crack so I am going to have to break down and use some, but I strongly dislike it.

@jensavicci I too had to google pansexuality and was completely baffled that the gender class I took in college didn't cover pansexuality. Also, DS has dolls and other toys that are typically considered "girl" toys and he uses pink sippie cups because what difference does color make, it's just a color. DH bucked at first about giving DS dolls and such, but he has come to see my ways.

@jessa8907 I completely agree with you! I don't understand how they can say church and state are separate yet they make the decision on what is legally a marriage based off of what the church says.

That brings me another a UO: I hate when people say that couples of the same sex shouldn't have children together because it will mess up the child in such and such way. As a previous child are provider for a daycare we had several children from same sex families and they interacted with the other kids normally and were happy, the argument that they will turn out gay or lesbian themselves or not be treated well is ridiculous.
Your comment on the Kids reminds me of my son. Unfortunately, he was teased a bit by this one boy at school for having two moms. He knew this because sometimes both I and DW would pick him at the same time and he would proudly announce our arrival. So, he came to us upset one day because of what the boy was saying. DW and I calmly spoke to him about why having two moms isn't wrong. So, the next day I picked him up from school. Right before we left (I swear to god I'm not joking) he pulled the kid over by his sleeve, put his hand on his hip and said, "this is my mama and she loves my other mommy very much. You're just being mean because you don't understand. And If you don't like it, say something to her." I gave the kid a "what you got to say" look, and proudly strutted out with him. We high fived in the car too. So basically, I think my kids are turning out pretty damn great. I just wanted to show him off! This is Sean

I teared up a bit reading that; your son is awesome and a perfect example of why same sex couples should have kids :-)

bunkgirl · January 2014

TheAnne said:

iris427 said:

bunkgirl said:

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while I agree with the overall point being made, it's not exactly the same comparison. It would be more like if a Jewish employer had to purchase a Smithfield Ham plant for their employees to be able to directly buy their pork products from, if they wished.

But where does it end? Say I work for a fitness center, can they deny my blood pressure medication because they don't believe in that type of medication? The suggestion that the company is being "forced" to do something they don't believe is crap. No one is telling the CEO to buy birth control for himself. Nor is he paying for the actual birth control, he is paying an insurance company for medical insurance.

runrinserepeat · January 2014

iris427 said:

bunkgirl said:

Another I hope this isn't an UO but irks the shit out of me when I hear about it: Corporations such as Hobby Lobby and others who want to refuse to supply birth control as part of their health insurance because "they don't believe in it." Last time I checked Hobby Lobby does not have a right to push their religious whackadoodle beliefs on their employees so why on earth is it okay for them to have any decision about if an employee gets birth control or not?

Same goes for religious organizations such as Catholic Charities, last time I checked Catholic Charities receives HUGE state grants to run adoption and foster care operations and they employ all sorts of people who do not have a Catholic background...stay out of your employees business and give them birth control. If you don't want to do that...don't accept state and/or federal contracts.

I completely agree. Would it be OK for a Jehovah's Witness to tell their employees they can't have blood transfusions? Would it be OK for a Jewish employer to say his employees can't buy pork with their salary? I'm really worried about what SCOTUS is going to say about the Hobby Lobby case. And how convenient that all these religious beliefs never seem to affect men's health care, just women's.

I'm relatively sure that vasectomy is frowned upon by the Catholic church, and thus would be something they wouldn't want to include in their insurance benefits right along with tubal ligation and other forms of birth control.

INmommy871278 · January 2014

TKT17 said:

I didn't realize ranch dressing was unpopular. One of my group of friends' favorite sayings is that life is too short for fat-free ranch! Also, UO, I enjoy teen pop stars far more once they become kinda train wreck like. I know it's terrible to say but Amanda Bynes' Twitter during her meltdown was one of my favorite pastimes.

I was naive in thinking there where ranch haters out there until I met DH. My group of friends from college dipped everything in ranch; one friend would have croutons and ranch for lunch if there was nothing better in the cafeteria.

I too enjoy seeing the tween train wreck. I was more excited than I care to admit when I heard that Justin Bieber was arrested because that's just the start of the train wreck.

iris427 · January 2014

TheAnne said:

iris427 said:

bunkgirl said:

Another I hope this isn't an UO but irks the shit out of me when I hear about it: Corporations such as Hobby Lobby and others who want to refuse to supply birth control as part of their health insurance because "they don't believe in it." Last time I checked Hobby Lobby does not have a right to push their religious whackadoodle beliefs on their employees so why on earth is it okay for them to have any decision about if an employee gets birth control or not?

Same goes for religious organizations such as Catholic Charities, last time I checked Catholic Charities receives HUGE state grants to run adoption and foster care operations and they employ all sorts of people who do not have a Catholic background...stay out of your employees business and give them birth control. If you don't want to do that...don't accept state and/or federal contracts.

I completely agree. Would it be OK for a Jehovah's Witness to tell their employees they can't have blood transfusions? Would it be OK for a Jewish employer to say his employees can't buy pork with their salary? I'm really worried about what SCOTUS is going to say about the Hobby Lobby case. And how convenient that all these religious beliefs never seem to affect men's health care, just women's.

while I agree with the overall point being made, it's not exactly the same comparison. It would be more like if a Jewish employer had to purchase a Smithfield Ham plant for their employees to be able to directly buy their pork products from, if they wished.

Health benefits and salary are both forms of compensation for work done. An employer can't dictate what I spend my salary on, why should they dictate how I use my health benefits? It's not like Hobby Lobby is being forced to purchase a pharmacy and disperse the pill themselves (which would be more along the lines of your Smithfield analogy).

bunkgirl · January 2014

TheAnne said:

bunkgirl said:

TheAnne said:

iris427 said:

bunkgirl said:

quote snip

while I agree with the overall point being made, it's not exactly the same comparison. It would be more like if a Jewish employer had to purchase a Smithfield Ham plant for their employees to be able to directly buy their pork products from, if they wished.

But where does it end? Say I work for a fitness center, can they deny my blood pressure medication because they don't believe in that type of medication? The suggestion that the company is being "forced" to do something they don't believe is crap. No one is telling the CEO to buy birth control for himself. Nor is he paying for the actual birth control, he is paying an insurance company for medical insurance.

if you read my reply, I'm not defending any of it. I'm just saying that the comparison is pretty skewed the way it was presented and gave a better example in the PP's terms. If you are going to argue a point (which I totally appreciate and respect people doing) then you have to do it in a way that is accurate or else it just dilutes your own stance.

I completely agree, which is why I brought in the fitness center example, that picking and choosing what medical care a company "believes in" is not a wise approach to health care. Denying women (or men) safe and affordable birth control is a major health concern.

Also I'm not trying to run away from a discussion...but I have to go meet with my clients now.

hgtvmom · January 2014

My UO is that I hate FB birthdays. I think it's crap when people get a bunch of birthday wishes and respond with a status thanking everyone, but there were so many that they couldn't respond individually. If someone takes the time to wish me a happy birthday, you bet your britches that I will take the time to thank them individually. If they said it to my face, I wouldn't stand back and make an announcement to all people around me, thanking the group. Why would you think it's ok to do that in a different forum.

I have zero idea how much time it took me on my birthday Saturday, but whenever we were in the car with DH driving or sitting on the couch, I was thanking people indivisible. Because it's polite.

katnipeverclean · January 2014

jessa8907 said:

This might bring some crazies out. My UO: (which I hope isn't really a UO) I see absolutely no reason why gay marriage is not legal in the entire US. Religious reasons? Nope, not valid.

For serious. If you don't like it then don't do it. I often talk about what life would be like in "The People's Republic of Sarah" the first two things I would do is legalize gay marriage and marajuana (sp?).

I know for a lot of Christians (not ALL, but a lot that I know, keeping in mind I live and grew up in the Bible belt) the actual word marriage is the hang up. I don't agree with it, but I hear people harp on it all the time.

katnipeverclean · January 2014

jensavicci said:

The mayo talk reminded me of this Eggs Benedict, poached eggs and anything with wet and not fully cooked egg is DISGUSTING! Just thinking about it makes me want to vomit all over this phone.

My brain cannot process not loving eggs benny!

jensavicci · January 2014

@ashcross @INmommy871278

Thank you guys! I appreciate that. My minions are pretty spectacular if I do say so myself

cuntasaurusrex · January 2014

TKT17 said:

I'm not sure this is categorized as an UO but I'm struggling with the idea of prioritizing relationships once the baby comes. Everything I read says that the baby comes and you are too tired/stressed to make time for your SO. I really hope that I can continue to make my marriage a top priority, because as someone who grew up with parents who largely ignored then hated each other, I believe it had an impact on my relationships.

I freak out and become a sobbing mess on a biweekly basis wondering what the fuck I have done because of this exactly. I think kids ruined my parents' marriage (among other things, of course, like working together in the home and being together 24/7). I'm terrified of losing my best friend and also terrified that sex and intimacy will become a chore like it has for so many seasoned parents.

I am in the throes of one of these periods right now, and right now I'm panicking.

iris427 · January 2014

jessa8907 said:

SarahVol131 said:

jessa8907 said:

This might bring some crazies out. My UO: (which I hope isn't really a UO) I see absolutely no reason why gay marriage is not legal in the entire US. Religious reasons? Nope, not valid.

For serious. If you don't like it then don't do it. I often talk about what life would be like in "The People's Republic of Sarah" the first two things I would do is legalize gay marriage and marajuana (sp?).
I know for a lot of Christians (not ALL, but a lot that I know, keeping in mind I live and grew up in the Bible belt) the actual word marriage is the hang up. I don't agree with it, but I hear people harp on it all the time.

Here is the problem for me...

Yes, the United States may have been founded on Christian principles, but it was also founded on freedom of religion. There are MANY other religions practiced in the US besides Christianity (a few who would still be against gay marriage and a few who most definitely aren't) not to mention the fact that there are several sects of Christianity who don't care at all about the gay marriage debate.

The point is, just because it is legal doesn't mean Christians have to agree with it and it doesn't mean that churches have to perform marriages for gay couples. I mean, shit, they can refuse to marry straight couples if they want.

It's just so ego-centrist of them to continue using the religion argument. I'm Christian and I don't like how the loud-mouths make the rest of us look.

Yes. I'm Jewish, and speaking at least for reform Judaism, my religion supports marriage equality, and abortion rights. So aren't the people trying to ban those on religious grounds oppressing MY religious freedom?

hgtvmom · January 2014

SarahVol131 said:

jessa8907 said:

This might bring some crazies out.

My UO: (which I hope isn't really a UO) I see absolutely no reason why gay marriage is not legal in the entire US. Religious reasons? Nope, not valid.

For serious. If you don't like it then don't do it. I often talk about what life would be like in "The People's Republic of Sarah" the first two things I would do is legalize gay marriage and marajuana (sp?).

I know for a lot of Christians (not ALL, but a lot that I know, keeping in mind I live and grew up in the Bible belt) the actual word marriage is the hang up. I don't agree with it, but I hear people harp on it all the time.

----- stupid quote issues ------

I agree with this - the word "marriage" has a Biblical origin. I think we could take a lot of wind out of the sails of religious zealots if people would agree to 2 terms. Have a "civil union" that is available to anyone and everyone - why would atheists want to go through a religious ceremony (for example). Then, save "marriage" for the SS who want the religious aspect. All the same rights. All the same abilities.

The religious right still wouldn't be happy, but they wouldn't have as much to fight about.

cuntasaurusrex · January 2014

Oh, and on the same-sex marriage vs. religion debate: The funny thing is that when marriage became a thing, it totally independent of religion, and was actually banned by the Catholic church on the grounds that it promoted fidelity to one other than God. The church couldn't handle the idea that someone could love God/Church AND a human, and so it was largely separate from the church. Once the church realized it couldn't be stopped and that they were powerless, they then indoctrinated it as a custom and kinda acted like it was their idea all along.

Andplusalso (f you whoever hates when people say that), marriage is still not exclusively religious. If a certain religion doesn't condone same-sex marriage, they shouldn't be forced to perform them in their facilities or with their personnel, but that says nothing of what can and should happen within the walls of a government office, which has NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION AT ALL.

lizzybeth13 · January 2014

For the record, I am fully in support of gay marriage and took birth control most of my life, so don't think I'm coming out of Christian-crazy right field. I was raised Catholic and am now a Methodist.

My disagreement with the fitness center analogy (which I would have quoted but it was too long and I know that irks people) is that whether or nor a fitness center "believes" in high cholesterol medication has nothing to do with freedom of religion. That's one of our founding principles - and yes, that means freedom of religion for everyone. It also means that the government shouldn't force a religious institution to do something that goes against their fundamental beliefs, even if other people don't agree with them.

Plus, if you don't like the way Catholic entities handle their health care . . . well, don't work for them.

/end legal rant

iris427 · January 2014

Pup4gdb said:

jessa8907 said:

This might bring some crazies out. My UO: (which I hope isn't really a UO) I see absolutely no reason why gay marriage is not legal in the entire US. Religious reasons? Nope, not valid.

For serious. If you don't like it then don't do it. I often talk about what life would be like in "The People's Republic of Sarah" the first two things I would do is legalize gay marriage and marajuana (sp?).
I know for a lot of Christians (not ALL, but a lot that I know, keeping in mind I live and grew up in the Bible belt) the actual word marriage is the hang up. I don't agree with it, but I hear people harp on it all the time.
I agree with this - the word "marriage" has a Biblical origin. I think we could take a lot of wind out of the sails of religious zealots if people would agree to 2 terms. Have a "civil union" that is available to anyone and everyone - why would atheists want to go through a religious ceremony (for example). Then, save "marriage" for the SS who want the religious aspect. All the same rights. All the same abilities. The religious right still wouldn't be happy, but they wouldn't have as much to fight about.

So only religious people get the super special real marriage, and everyone who is atheist or secular or doesn't meet the requirements of the church/temple/whatever has to settle for the other thing that no one wants? How about instead of this separate but equal stuff, we just have equality?

katnipeverclean · January 2014

jessa8907 said:

SarahVol131 said:

jessa8907 said:

This might bring some crazies out. My UO: (which I hope isn't really a UO) I see absolutely no reason why gay marriage is not legal in the entire US. Religious reasons? Nope, not valid.

For serious. If you don't like it then don't do it. I often talk about what life would be like in "The People's Republic of Sarah" the first two things I would do is legalize gay marriage and marajuana (sp?).
I know for a lot of Christians (not ALL, but a lot that I know, keeping in mind I live and grew up in the Bible belt) the actual word marriage is the hang up. I don't agree with it, but I hear people harp on it all the time.

Here is the problem for me...

Yes, the United States may have been founded on Christian principles, but it was also founded on freedom of religion. There are MANY other religions practiced in the US besides Christianity (a few who would still be against gay marriage and a few who most definitely aren't) not to mention the fact that there are several sects of Christianity who don't care at all about the gay marriage debate.

The point is, just because it is legal doesn't mean Christians have to agree with it and it doesn't mean that churches have to perform marriages for gay couples. I mean, shit, they can refuse to marry straight couples if they want.

It's just so ego-centrist of them to continue using the religion argument. I'm Christian and I don't like how the loud-mouths make the rest of us look.

Preachin to the choir sister.

mrscurlygurl · January 2014

birthjunkie13 said:

I'm not sure if this is a UO or not, but today I'm a better mother because I'm allowing my child to watch a very educational Baby Boost show on repeat, so that I can take care of my own mental health.

It's been one of those months were everything that could possibly go wrong has and it's all come to a head for me today. I've cried more in the last 2 hours than I have in 2 years. So, screen time is happening this morning because I need a break in order to pull myself together and be a good mother.

I don't know what Baby Boost is, but take care of yourself girl!

cuntasaurusrex · January 2014

BPaws said:

TKT17 said:

I'm not sure this is categorized as an UO but I'm struggling with the idea of prioritizing relationships once the baby comes. Everything I read says that the baby comes and you are too tired/stressed to make time for your SO. I really hope that I can continue to make my marriage a top priority, because as someone who grew up with parents who largely ignored then hated each other, I believe it had an impact on my relationships.

I freak out and become a sobbing mess on a biweekly basis wondering what the fuck I have done because of this exactly. I think kids ruined my parents' marriage (among other things, of course, like working together in the home and being together 24/7). I'm terrified of losing my best friend and also terrified that sex and intimacy will become a chore like it has for so many seasoned parents.

I am in the throes of one of these periods right now, and right now I'm panicking.
**********quotes hate me*************** It's not ALWAYS the case- I promise. I known every family is different and this is purely anteceotal, but I can say with absolute honesty that our relationship has strengthened since the birth of DS. We still have regular sex (very regular, every few days, same as before baby). We were tired and stressed in the beginning, yes, but there was always time to connect, even with a small touch or smile before bed. I was TERRIFIED that things would change so drastically we would lose "us", but that absolutely was not the case. He's still my best friend, we still talk every night before bed, we still share things and laugh- we just have more to laugh about because DS is hilarious. It is completely possible to maintain YOUR relationship after baby. Try not to worry too much about it!

Hearing these sorts of anecdotes makes me feel better. The only reason I was able to get over the fear of having kids in the first place was because of my MIL constantly reminding me that Aaron and I are *NOT* my parents and that we can choose our own fate, and to take a look at her and FIL's relationship and that of many people I know, but still, it's so ingrained that it's difficult to step outside of when I'm struggling or feeling down.

So thanks for taking the time to tell me that, it made me tear up a little

ashcross · January 2014

No one is forcing a religious institutions to perform things (i.e.. marriages) they don't believe in. My husband and I had a gorgeous wedding at a venue with an officiant who wasn't associated with any religion. Homosexuals just want the rights to marry the ones they love with the same unbiased benefits as Heterosexuals and to be recognized by the state as being a married couple.

I also don't agree that marriage has a biblical origin. Marriages were taking place before there were any monotheistic religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam).

SaraRL07 · January 2014

My uo

1) I hate Kathy lee ....I think she is so annoying and full of herself...she always plays her own songs on her show, which are horrible. I do like hoda(spelling?)

2) I hate the combination of chocolate and mint.

katnipeverclean · January 2014

Pup4gdb said:

jessa8907 said:

This might bring some crazies out. My UO: (which I hope isn't really a UO) I see absolutely no reason why gay marriage is not legal in the entire US. Religious reasons? Nope, not valid.

For serious. If you don't like it then don't do it. I often talk about what life would be like in "The People's Republic of Sarah" the first two things I would do is legalize gay marriage and marajuana (sp?).
I know for a lot of Christians (not ALL, but a lot that I know, keeping in mind I live and grew up in the Bible belt) the actual word marriage is the hang up. I don't agree with it, but I hear people harp on it all the time.
----- stupid quote issues ------ I agree with this - the word "marriage" has a Biblical origin. I think we could take a lot of wind out of the sails of religious zealots if people would agree to 2 terms. Have a "civil union" that is available to anyone and everyone - why would atheists want to go through a religious ceremony (for example). Then, save "marriage" for the SS who want the religious aspect. All the same rights. All the same abilities. The religious right still wouldn't be happy, but they wouldn't have as much to fight about.

My arguemnt (not to you neccesarily) but to people who use that is that the word marriage is just a word and there are plenty of straight couples, both Christian and non Christian out there, who have stripped it of its meaning already.

ETA: PLUS PLUS PLUS I'd also like to say that I want all of my friends and family regardless of sexual orientation to have the same things I do. I don't want my lesbian sorority sisters to have civil unions while I have a marriage. They don't need a separate category that means the same thing. I want them to get married to their spouses and live happily ever after. We don't need a GLBQT drinking fountain and a straight drinking fountain. We just need one effing drinking fountain.

RANT OVER NOW.

lizzybeth13 · January 2014

milestrellas said:

lizzybeth13 said:

For the record, I am fully in support of gay marriage and took birth control most of my life, so don't think I'm coming out of Christian-crazy right field. I was raised Catholic and am now a Methodist.

My disagreement with the fitness center analogy (which I would have quoted but it was too long and I know that irks people) is that whether or nor a fitness center "believes" in high cholesterol medication has nothing to do with freedom of religion. That's one of our founding principles - and yes, that means freedom of religion for everyone. It also means that the government shouldn't force a religious institution to do something that goes against their fundamental beliefs, even if other people don't agree with them.

Plus, if you don't like the way Catholic entities handle their health care . . . well, don't work for them.

/end legal rant

I just have a hard time thinking of a for-profit company as a religious institution. Also, they are doing it based on factually wrong information, since the founder of the company said that he believes them to be abortion-inducing drugs. What's going to stop him from then saying no to vaccines because he believes they cause autism?

Oh, sorry, I wasn't defending Hobby Lobby. I was talking about the church institutions themselves - the Catholic charities and whatnot. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

ashcross · January 2014

SaraRL07 GIRL!!! mint chocolate chip is my jam. you crazy!! lol

kmawb · January 2014

ashleysyn2 said:

CFL>NFL

I you Ash! It sucks that I can only love tit this post once!

My UO for today: I hate Nutella with a passion! But will eat peanut butter straight from the jar with a spoon (although my preferred mode of peanut butter delivery right now however is a frozen Coffee Crisp, mmmmm... drool).

hgtvmom · January 2014

iris427 said:

Pup4gdb said:

SarahVol131 said:

jessa8907 said:

This might bring some crazies out.

My UO: (which I hope isn't really a UO) I see absolutely no reason why gay marriage is not legal in the entire US. Religious reasons? Nope, not valid.

For serious. If you don't like it then don't do it. I often talk about what life would be like in "The People's Republic of Sarah" the first two things I would do is legalize gay marriage and marajuana (sp?).
I know for a lot of Christians (not ALL, but a lot that I know, keeping in mind I live and grew up in the Bible belt) the actual word marriage is the hang up. I don't agree with it, but I hear people harp on it all the time.
I agree with this - the word "marriage" has a Biblical origin. I think we could take a lot of wind out of the sails of religious zealots if people would agree to 2 terms. Have a "civil union" that is available to anyone and everyone - why would atheists want to go through a religious ceremony (for example). Then, save "marriage" for the SS who want the religious aspect. All the same rights. All the same abilities.

The religious right still wouldn't be happy, but they wouldn't have as much to fight about.

So only religious people get the super special real marriage, and everyone who is atheist or secular or doesn't meet the requirements of the church/temple/whatever has to settle for the other thing that no one wants? How about instead of this separate but equal stuff, we just have equality?

***** quotes hate me today ******

Not my intent at all. I just meant that if we call "getting married" something other than "married" the religious right wouldn't have the argument they use now. If you want that union to happen in a church setting or have it a religious ceremony, fine. If you don't, fine. Everyone gets the same. Call yourself "married" or whatever you want to call yourself. But I think taking the religious term out of what is basically a legal transaction of sorts would cause less fight against gay "marriage."

I guess I didn't express that well the first time.

jensavicci · January 2014

@Pup4gdb

I agree with this - the word "marriage" has a Biblical origin. I think we could take a lot of wind out of the sails of religious zealots if people would agree to 2 terms. Have a "civil union" that is available to anyone and everyone - why would atheists want to go through a religious ceremony (for example). Then, save "marriage" for the SS who want the religious aspect. All the same rights. All the same abilities.

The religious right still wouldn't be happy, but they wouldn't have as much to fight about.
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I think no matter what book it's written in, no matter who it's defined by and no matter how it's done, marriage is and always will be what those ppl perceive it as. Some see it as religious, others don't. But I don't think we should go about categorizing it into certain different special groups. "This for you and that for them", you know? That's how prejudice and discrimination starts. It's a whole "mine is better than yours" situation that can get ugly and quick. I think marriage by any name should just be marriage. The coming together of people.

VTKatie · January 2014

I hate those bumper stickers that have the stick figure family members, and people keep adding on to them as they have more kids or a dog. Nobody gives a shit about how many cats/dogs/kids you have. I also hate those stupid "baby on board!" signs people post in their back windows. Oh! You have a baby in the car?? I will target a different vehicle with my reckless driving! Thank GOD you had that sign up.

katnipeverclean · January 2014

kmawb said:

ashleysyn2 said:

CFL>NFL

I you Ash! It sucks that I can only love tit this post once!
My UO for today: I hate Nutella with a passion! But will eat peanut butter straight from the jar with a spoon (although my preferred mode of peanut butter delivery right now however is a frozen Coffee Crisp, mmmmm... drool).

Coffee Crisp is my jam, yo. My MIL used to have to travel to Toronto for work on the regular. Every time she went she brought back 1) Coffee Crisp 2) Tim Horton's Coffee and 3) Joe Fresh pj snap up onesies for DD.

I love Coffee Crisp and I wish we had it in the states! (

tealowl · January 2014

UO - I still print out my photos (even some iPhone ones) and put them in REAL albums. I think it's weird if you only have electronic photo albums.

acciovino · January 2014

@jensavicci Your son is absolutely precious!

My gay brother is marrying his SO in May and I cannot wait to witness it. I think I might cry more during his ceremony than I did at my own. If they decide to have kids, I know that they will make great daddies. Equality bitches!

iris427 · January 2014

Pup4gdb said:

Pup4gdb said:

jessa8907 said:

This might bring some crazies out. My UO: (which I hope isn't really a UO) I see absolutely no reason why gay marriage is not legal in the entire US. Religious reasons? Nope, not valid.

For serious. If you don't like it then don't do it. I often talk about what life would be like in "The People's Republic of Sarah" the first two things I would do is legalize gay marriage and marajuana (sp?).
I know for a lot of Christians (not ALL, but a lot that I know, keeping in mind I live and grew up in the Bible belt) the actual word marriage is the hang up. I don't agree with it, but I hear people harp on it all the time.
I agree with this - the word "marriage" has a Biblical origin. I think we could take a lot of wind out of the sails of religious zealots if people would agree to 2 terms. Have a "civil union" that is available to anyone and everyone - why would atheists want to go through a religious ceremony (for example). Then, save "marriage" for the SS who want the religious aspect. All the same rights. All the same abilities. The religious right still wouldn't be happy, but they wouldn't have as much to fight about.

So only religious people get the super special real marriage, and everyone who is atheist or secular or doesn't meet the requirements of the church/temple/whatever has to settle for the other thing that no one wants? How about instead of this separate but equal stuff, we just have equality?
***** quotes hate me today ****** Not my intent at all. I just meant that if we call "getting married" something other than "married" the religious right wouldn't have the argument they use now. If you want that union to happen in a church setting or have it a religious ceremony, fine. If you don't, fine. Everyone gets the same. Call yourself "married" or whatever you want to call yourself. But I think taking the religious term out of what is basically a legal transaction of sorts would cause less fight against gay "marriage." I guess I didn't express that well the first time.

You expressed yourself fine, I just adamantly disagree. First of all, the religious right gay marriage opponents would just find some other argument--because they're a bunch of homophobes who don't believe gay couples should have recognition or benefits from society.

I don't want to be civilly united with my spouse. I want to be married. Marriage has history and meaning far beyond religion in our culture. It just does.

katnipeverclean · January 2014

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I think no matter what book it's written in, no matter who it's defined by and no matter how it's done, marriage is and always will be what those ppl perceive it as. Some see it as religious, others don't. But I don't think we should go about categorizing it into certain different special groups. "This for you and that for them", you know? That's how prejudice and discrimination starts. It's a whole "mine is better than yours" situation that can get ugly and quick. I think marriage by any name should just be marriage. The coming together of people.

Thank you @jensavicci you said what I was trying to say only you did a better job of it!

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