So this whole "science baby has no soul" thing....

Mimaloo · January 2014

Is being taught in my school. Granted I work in private school and I get the whole religious belief thing, but seriously?

A group of girls was sitting with me during lunch and I thought you ladies would enjoy a snippet of our conversation.

Me: How's life?

Student 1: Oh we're learning untrue "facts" in theology.

Me: Huh?

Student 1: Yeah. They're teaching us morality and about the rhythm method because, you know, birth control kills babies. So according to Miss so-n-so, all women are on a 28 day cycle which is clearly wrong because I'm on like, a 38 day cycle so I must be a freak.

Student 2: Oh yeah. And she also told us that babies conceived through IVF or artificial insemination have no souls and all grow up to have psychological problems. My cousins are IVF babies and they have no psychological problems so yeah...we're learning crap.

Student 3: The whole class is just crazy. I'm an IVF baby and I'm really offended.

Me: Why don't you talk to the teacher about it?

Student 3: Because she already said I have no soul so she'll probably think my feelings are [I forget exactly how she worded this, but something having to do with being put there by the devil]

And here I was, wondering where some of these crazies that grace TB were getting this shit from. Well, now I know.

Me and my science baby are pretty pissed.

AnnieA75 · January 2014

Does this apply to IUI babies too?!?

I love the girls' opinions and independent thinking. I'm scared to think what my kids will learn in school!

Bootsie327 · January 2014

Wow!! Well, I'm glad the kids seem to know better!

sopsongbird · January 2014

This is ridiculous! GO GIRLS for their strong opinions and objections, but dang! Even the Bible teaches that all living and unborn beings have souls...I'd be all up in that teacher's face if I was the parent of one of those kids.

nkessler040211 · January 2014

Sad, bc God believes that those children are miracles and blessings.

julesf817 · January 2014

Wow.

do they teach them that Jesus rode around on a dinosaur too?

the bright side of this post is that "beliefs" like this are quickly going to become a thing of the past, because kids these days have access to real information in the palm of their hands all the time, and most of them are starting to know better than to buy this utter garbage.

this is also why i want my kids to go to public school.

kat8805 · January 2014

And this is why I hate religion and the people who use it as an excuse to bend people to their own will. Mrs so-n-so is riding the one way bullet train to hell and she doesn't even realize it.

Laurab1686 · January 2014

This is devastating. On a brighter note I am impressed by your students for holding into their thoughts and opinions and thinking critically.

Ppl are crazy.

Mimaloo · January 2014

AnnieA75 said:

Does this apply to IUI babies too?!? I love the girls' opinions and independent thinking. I'm scared to think what my kids will learn in school!

Yes. I asked. The reason for this is because the semen is collected in an impure way - apparently the Bible frowns upon masturbation.

reneewhite90 · January 2014

I grew up going to private, Christian school and this is the kind of stuff that infuriates me. I always felt I was one of the only students that thought differently or "out of the box". Good for those young girls for having a different viewpoint. I hope they speak up to Ms. Douchewad.

Mimaloo · January 2014

Laurab1686 said:

This is devastating. On a brighter note I am impressed by your students for holding into their thoughts and opinions and thinking critically. Ppl are crazy.

Me too - I love these girls (my hormonal self has already cried with them over the fact that they're graduating in June and I'm going to miss the crap out of them).

But I worry about the kids who DON'T think critically. This particular teacher is young and very involved in school life. I wonder how many kids look up to her and take what she says seriously...I know how impressionable some of them are. That's scary.

laurblum · January 2014

OMG! Are they even allowed to talk like that to their students? I guess since it's a private school they can get away with it.

Unrelated story, but pseudo related in the sense of morality and talking out of your ass especially in mixed company:

At my in laws Christmas gathering, my husbands uncle starts talking about how he no longer eats at Cracker Barrel because they pulled their support for the guy from Duck Dynasty after the anti homosexuality remarks he made. He was saying he knows they went back to carrying their merchandise but "he was pissed", as he put it. So of course I couldn't keep my mouth shut and we all get into a debate and it becomes an ordeal. Somehow he starts asking me if I'd be comfortable with them "teaching kids what gay is" in school. So I say absolutely because families come in all shapes and sizes and there might be a child in that class with two moms or two dads and they should know that they aren't alone or that they aren't weird because of it. So then he asks if I'll care if my child turns out to be gay to which I replied of course I won't care. It's my baby, I will love it if it's a two headed purple monster. I then told him and those that were agreeing with him that they are absolutely ridiculous and that they should watch what they say because aside from myself, the uncle's daughter was also pregnant and my sister in law has two young boys.. 4 kids that we have no idea who they will be or how they turn out. I told them thanks for telling me in advance that you're love for them is conditional on them being your version of "normal". The biggest kicker is that my husbands cousin was there with his 15 year old son, who was quietly sitting in the room when all this was going on, and again we don't know what this child goes through, we don't know who he will become or maybe even if he has friends that are gay. What a great message they sent to him, instead of sending him a message of support letting him know that his family loves and values him no matter what, they instead told him that they side with that ignorant hick from Duck Dynasty.

You never can control the blatant ignorance that surrounds us each day. Just gotta do your best and hope our little ones turn out to be intelligent free thinkers. Kudos to those girls for not just taking the teacher's words to heart.

mrsbtobe20122 · January 2014

Wow. Just wow. There are no words.

I bet your science baby will have the souliest soul of all!

NorthernGal248 · January 2014

This! This is why I will not be sending my child to a private religous school!

rainydayluck · January 2014

Mimaloo said:

AnnieA75 said:

Does this apply to IUI babies too?!? I love the girls' opinions and independent thinking. I'm scared to think what my kids will learn in school!

Yes. I asked. The reason for this is because the semen is collected in an impure way - apparently the Bible frowns upon masturbation.

But then do babies conceived from rape and/or incest have souls? Was the semen pure enough in those instances?

Empireceo · January 2014

See this is where I get confused. Is life amazing and sacred and we should done everything we can to preserve/create (so no end of life rights but yea IVF!) or is it naturally sanctioned by God as he sees fit (boo IVF, boo sciencey medicines!)

chillypenguin · January 2014

I went to a private Christian high school and they did not teach stuff like this.. It makes me mad when all religious schools get lumped together as "crazy" because of teachers like this. My school was great, and I am hoping to be able to send my kids there one day. So please don't judge all religious schools on stories like this, we were not taught like this!

jjh471 · January 2014

I am really saddened by this post. I would think that in the year 2014 such ignorance would not exist, but I guess I am dreaming with my eyes open. What a terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE thing to say or to think. I am literally speechless. I wish I had a nice witty statement or comeback but I have nothing. I have many friends who turned to IUI and IVF. I was almost one of them. After a year of TTC with no ovulation and crazy cycles, we finally got pregnant (started ovulating 2- 2 1/2 weeks later than I "technically" should have... story for another day). We went through so much stress, sadness, testing, aggravation, so many emotions and sleepness nights. It was awful and I am one of the lucky ones where things in my body just suddenly clicked. I have two good friends who are not so lucky and have beginning the process of IUI, one who is actually so "messed up" for lack of a better term, that they are jumping right to IVF. These two women are the most deserving people I have ever met. If anyone should have children it should be these couples. So to say that their future children have no souls makes me sick.

Mimaloo · January 2014

rainydayluck said:

Mimaloo said:

AnnieA75 said:

Does this apply to IUI babies too?!? I love the girls' opinions and independent thinking. I'm scared to think what my kids will learn in school!

Yes. I asked. The reason for this is because the semen is collected in an impure way - apparently the Bible frowns upon masturbation.

But then do babies conceived from rape and/or incest have souls? Was the semen pure enough in those instances?

Yup and yup. I can't make sense of crazy.

MamaLlama14 · January 2014

Ugh. I agree @mimaloo- the real concern is for the students who DON'T think for themselves and take the word of any adult as gospel. I do respect the institution of religious education, although I didn't receive one, and accept that religious teachings are acceptable there in a context that would shock the hell out of us public school teachers... but there has to be fine line between religious education and indoctrination with inaccuracies.

QOTR · January 2014

Jules51814 said:

Wow.

do they teach them that Jesus rode around on a dinosaur too?

the bright side of this post is that "beliefs" like this are quickly going to become a thing of the past, because kids these days have access to real information in the palm of their hands all the time, and most of them are starting to know better than to buy this utter garbage.

this is also why i want my kids to go to public school.

You're obviously not in Texas, where the Board of Education keeps trying to mandate that creationism be taught in Science class. I'm thinking private school may be our best hope for avoiding the type of crackpots OP is dealing with!

*Edited for clarity.

pistolpackinmomma · January 2014

Mimaloo said:

rainydayluck said:

Mimaloo said:

AnnieA75 said:

Does this apply to IUI babies too?!?

I love the girls' opinions and independent thinking. I'm scared to think what my kids will learn in school!

Yes. I asked. The reason for this is because the semen is collected in an impure way - apparently the Bible frowns upon masturbation.

But then do babies conceived from rape and/or incest have souls? Was the semen pure enough in those instances?

Yup and yup. I can't make sense of crazy.

I have actually heard of some couples using a special condom so that they can still collect the semen via sex.

babyaotw · January 2014

Wow. Way to alienate the very children they are supposed to be teaching. I'm glad that they have the insight to not just accept what they're told. And each and ever baby is amazing, science or not.

gypsymystic · January 2014

Wow. What ignorance. Glad these girls have a brain to think for themselves, but it makes me scared to think maybe some of those kids actually believe the load of crap they are feeding them.

jfletcher3113 · January 2014

Good for those students for questioning the crap that is coming out of that class.

However, I feel like this is NOT normal private school teachings.

I went to Catholic school and yes, while they preach abstinence, we still learned about birth control and were never told it would kill babies or any of the other information this obviously psycho teacher is spewing. I'd report her.

hfooter · January 2014

Wow. Good job for those girls for knowing better.

lv2011 · January 2014

Fyi- not all Catholic schools are created or taught equally. My DD goes to a Catholic school- so did I and so did DH. This is NOT what they teach in sex ed. I've actually talked to the present teacher to see what they're teaching now, and they're pretty mainstream. The OP's school's teachings are so obnoxiously conservative that I'm wondering what kind of school it is.

Mimaloo · January 2014

jfletcher3113 said:

Good for those students for questioning the crap that is coming out of that class.

However, I feel like this is NOT normal private school teachings.

I went to Catholic school and yes, while they preach abstinence, we still learned about birth control and were never told it would kill babies or any of the other information this obviously psycho teacher is spewing. I'd report her.

No it's definitely not. This is just one looney toon.

mileswithmyles · January 2014

The good news is that these girls are smart enough to know that is a bunch of crap. The bad news is that I'm sure they have some classmates that are believing this teacher. I know it's private school, but if I were the parent of the IVF baby, I would call and complain.

JoelleOK · January 2014

If you want millennial kids to believe you about serious things, lying about things that are easy to fact check on a smart phone isn't a good way to build trust.

As an intelligent woman who loves science and theology stories like this embarrass me as a follower of Christ.

theoryofwhat · January 2014

I'm glad the girls you talked to are able to see through that BS, it just worries me about the kids who aren't seeing through it. There's gotta be some of them buying into that crap. It's just so sad.

This reminds me of that one cray poster who thought her baby "made out of love" was more special than her SIL's conceived via IVF. Maybe this is the kind of teaching ahe received in school.

kshampeny · January 2014

@Mimaloo Me and my two soulless, science babies are pissed, too! (former scientist over here)

I would agree that this is a problem with the teacher and not necessarily the school. If it was me, I'd probably talk to the administration about it. See if they agreed with her teaching philosophy about devil science babies. If they did, I'd probably be looking for a new job.

Glad to hear that those girls were smart enough to make up their minds on their own, though. That's probably due to some good parenting and a strong, loving mommy influence.

ThereBeDragons · January 2014

pistolpackinmomma said:

rainydayluck said:

Mimaloo said:

AnnieA75 said:

Does this apply to IUI babies too?!? I love the girls' opinions and independent thinking. I'm scared to think what my kids will learn in school!

Yes. I asked. The reason for this is because the semen is collected in an impure way - apparently the Bible frowns upon masturbation.

But then do babies conceived from rape and/or incest have souls? Was the semen pure enough in those instances?

Yup and yup. I can't make sense of crazy.
I have actually heard of some couples using a special condom so that they can still collect the semen via sex.

Sadly for the type of cray cray who's on the soulless babies train- even that's not enough. Babies need to be created in the marriage bed only with no intervention from third parties to "count".

Luckily most people who don't believe in intervention aren't even that crazy and just feel that its against the proper order of things, but don't judge the child. (Judging the parents is fine though) and honestly from my experience the vast majority of the public has zero opinion on the moral value of infertility treatment. Opinions on its worth, opinions about if they'd ever do it- sure. But it's surprisingly rare to find people who believe that it is morally wrong.

And in my experience, a good portion of those who do feel its morally wrong, when confronted by living examples- know to keep their mouths shut as its not an easy argument to convince people of.

I've only ever felt the need to justify our choice to do IVF to one person I'd consider a friend. And we had a long talk about religion and the meaning of love and souls that was enlightening for both of us. Even if we both walked away with opinions unchanged- we both understood where the other was coming from without anger. And he won't judge me or my child- that's (in my friends very reasonable opinion) God's job- not his.

AugustGlass · January 2014

I don't even know what to say to this. It breaks my heart that someone could try to tell my "science baby" that they don't have a soul.

Kirstyirsty · January 2014

I agree with all the posters who said don't judge all religious schools on this crazy teacher. I live on Ireland and most schools are faith schools and we were taught about evolution and contraception and all the rest of it. It is NOT a belief of any faith I've ever heard of that babies conceived this way have no souls. Either thus is some crazy new religion or the teacher is literally making stuff up. The general ethos we were taught about sex was "don't have sex until you are totally ready, you know the guy loves and respects you, and always use a condom" I left with the vague idea that sex without a condom was more of a sin than sex with a condom!

Bootsie327 · January 2014

I'm also worried that kids who aren't as smart as those two girls will take it upon themselves to use the rhythm method instead of real birth control. For teenagers with irregular cycles, and who can pass around STDs, this is so dangerous! I'm sure they are being taught that premarital sex is wrong and not to do it at all, but that has never stopped teens from getting it in anyway.

Edited for premature posting.

awc1986 · January 2014

Did you not know that science babies come out ready microchipped by the government and are automatons who are programmed to make everyone a communist?

BeesKnees181 · January 2014

So glad to hear these students are not blindly accepting the bs doctrine being fed to them in this class.

I went to Catholic school and this was not part of my sex ed (7th grade) course. Mostly, we learned about menstruation from a female science teacher who was clearly uncomfortable even discussing that...that was a long time ago, though. She never even mentioned birth control. Sex ed as a freshman in a public high school involved watching a gym teacher/tennis coach put a condom on a banana.

christieep · January 2014

chillypenguin said:

I went to a private Christian high school and they did not teach stuff like this.. It makes me mad when all religious schools get lumped together as "crazy" because of teachers like this. My school was great, and I am hoping to be able to send my kids there one day. So please don't judge all religious schools on stories like this, we were not taught like this!

I have to agree with this. I went to Catholic school and we learned the ins and outs of reproduction the right way. I might be remembering wrong, but I'm pretty sure we learned about birth control too.

I guess I'm glad this wasn't someone calling themselves a science teacher. That would make this appaling situation even worse.

NorthernGal248 · January 2014

christieep said:

chillypenguin said:

I went to a private Christian high school and they did not teach stuff like this.. It makes me mad when all religious schools get lumped together as "crazy" because of teachers like this. My school was great, and I am hoping to be able to send my kids there one day. So please don't judge all religious schools on stories like this, we were not taught like this!

I have to agree with this. I went to Catholic school and we learned the ins and outs of reproduction the right way. I might be remembering wrong, but I'm pretty sure we learned about birth control too.

I guess I'm glad this wasn't someone calling themselves a science teacher. That would make this appaling situation even worse.

There are def a lot of schools that are great, but I fear the crazy teachers that seem to come out of the wood work. What this teacher said was probably not in a textbook or in the curiculum so a parent could not look it over and see instantly that the teacher is attempting to brain wash their child.

I would love to send my child to a private school eventually, but def would be doing tons of research about the school before enrolling.

Mimaloo · January 2014

lv2011 said:

Fyi- not all Catholic schools are created or taught equally. My DD goes to a Catholic school- so did I and so did DH. This is NOT what they teach in sex ed. I've actually talked to the present teacher to see what they're teaching now, and they're pretty mainstream. The OP's school's teachings are so obnoxiously conservative that I'm wondering what kind of school it is.

yayglitter said:

I'm glad the girls you talked to are able to see through that BS, it just worries me about the kids who aren't seeing through it. There's gotta be some of them buying into that crap. It's just so sad.

This reminds me of that one cray poster who thought her baby "made out of love" was more special than her SIL's conceived via IVF. Maybe this is the kind of teaching ahe received in school.

Aaarrrrgggghhhhh I know EXACTLY who you're talking about.

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