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Cheenomae · January 2014

KellersPrag said:

EmleeSilva said:

EmleeSilva said:

I like the freedom of homeschooling, I can travel to my husband's country, Brazil, for a few weeks/months if I want without getting permission from people who are not my children's guardians. Also I don't have to follow government curriculum. Side note: For all the people who are saying that they couldn't teach their children math, are your children going to the same school that taught you?

I think you're setting your children up for failure.

and the last question is unnecessary. I understand chemistry and history just fine. But I don't have 6+ years of post-HS education in the subjects so I know I can't teach it as well as someone else can.
Nice argument. I'm just asking the school teacher that taught you math didn't teach you well enough to confidently teach someone else?

What high school graduate can honestly say they can confidently teach their child math?

None. That's what a degree in education and your subject of interest are for.

Wait, I can confidently say I can teach a child math. At least up to some of the AP classes. I cannot say the same for many of the other subjects I was taught in school.

tinyhumantoe · January 2014

KellersPrag said:

@tinyhumantoe I would love to work with you.

Hey - ditto! :-p

hmp1 · January 2014

cheeseandrice said:

melody921 said:

cheeseandrice said:

I think Montessori schools are a scam.

I actually kind of like the sounds of their curriculum and approach. I don't, however, appreciate that my one friend who uses one acts like her kids are smarter, her family more wealthy and my kids are at a disservice bc they go to a (whisper voice) "regular daycare." Eff that.

"learn through playing" is kind of the overall idea. I agree with that.

I should have clarified. The "scam" part comes from the 'we know children so much better than all those dull regular daycare providers"... and the fact that they think they're worth, what, 2x the price of all other places that let your kid play.

I looked at 2 Montessori schools. One was terrible one was good. The good one is cheaper than what we pay for our daycare. I appreciate their approach. Our daycare uses some to the practices like I bet most daycares do.

KellersPrag · January 2014

Cheenomae said:

KellersPrag said:

EmleeSilva said:

EmleeSilva said:

I like the freedom of homeschooling, I can travel to my husband's country, Brazil, for a few weeks/months if I want without getting permission from people who are not my children's guardians. Also I don't have to follow government curriculum. Side note: For all the people who are saying that they couldn't teach their children math, are your children going to the same school that taught you?

I think you're setting your children up for failure.

and the last question is unnecessary. I understand chemistry and history just fine. But I don't have 6+ years of post-HS education in the subjects so I know I can't teach it as well as someone else can.
Nice argument. I'm just asking the school teacher that taught you math didn't teach you well enough to confidently teach someone else?

What high school graduate can honestly say they can confidently teach their child math?

None. That's what a degree in education and your subject of interest are for.

Wait, I can confidently say I can teach a child math. At least up to some of the AP classes. I cannot say the same for many of the other subjects I was taught in school.

Psst. I think you're kind of missing the point. :P But you may be a rare exception to be able to teach one subject. Either way, at least you can admit that you cannot confidently give a full education on all subjects.

EmleeSilva · January 2014

I conceded to the argument. It was only a question that someone got offended by.

Ina separate thought I was voicing some different opinions about why people homeschool since it was brought up on the previous page. That is my reason for homeschooling. Academic and physical freedom.

Cheenomae · January 2014

KellersPrag said:

Cheenomae said:

KellersPrag said:

EmleeSilva said:

EmleeSilva said:

I like the freedom of homeschooling, I can travel to my husband's country, Brazil, for a few weeks/months if I want without getting permission from people who are not my children's guardians. Also I don't have to follow government curriculum. Side note: For all the people who are saying that they couldn't teach their children math, are your children going to the same school that taught you?

I think you're setting your children up for failure.

and the last question is unnecessary. I understand chemistry and history just fine. But I don't have 6+ years of post-HS education in the subjects so I know I can't teach it as well as someone else can.
Nice argument. I'm just asking the school teacher that taught you math didn't teach you well enough to confidently teach someone else?

What high school graduate can honestly say they can confidently teach their child math?

None. That's what a degree in education and your subject of interest are for.

Wait, I can confidently say I can teach a child math. At least up to some of the AP classes. I cannot say the same for many of the other subjects I was taught in school.

Psst. I think you're kind of missing the point. :P But you may be a rare exception to be able to teach one subject. Either way, at least you can admit that you cannot confidently give a full education on all subjects.

I didn't miss the point. That's why I noted that I couldn't confidently teach any additional subjects.

I'm just super proud of my math skills.

tinyhumantoe · January 2014

EmleeSilva said:

I like the freedom of homeschooling, I can travel to my husband's country, Brazil, for a few weeks/months if I want without getting permission from people who are not my children's guardians. Also I don't have to follow government curriculum. Side note: For all the people who are saying that they couldn't teach their children math, are your children going to the same school that taught you?

So I think this would be a situation where, if you are capable of homeschooling effectively, you would fit into my "5 to 25%" bracket of people who do homeschooling justice. The other 75 to 95% do not. I have such a huge range because I'm trying not to over or underestimate the number of people whose children would be better off in a different setting.

ETA: I'm not touching your side note.

MarisaKathleen · January 2014

LoisLayn23 said:

BeebopandBuddy said:

MarisaKathleen said:

I work at a substance abuse center/methadone clinic. My client told me this morning that heroin is $2.50 per bag. It comes from Afghanistan and it is dirt cheap these days.

Meanwhile, 1 hydrocodone pill sells for $20.

This scares the crap out of me.

KellersPrag · January 2014

EmleeSilva said:

I conceded to the argument. It was only a question that someone got offended by. Ina separate thought I was voicing some different opinions about why people homeschool since it was brought up on the previous page. That is my reason for homeschooling. Academic and physical freedom.

Physical freedom? wut?

EmleeSilva · January 2014

Not having to plan around school every day would be a nice start.

Hyaline · January 2014

cheeseandrice said:

well yes. I would be pretty confident, given the materials, I could teach my child math... probably through a college 300-level Calculus and Statistics.

History? nope. Not my interest. I do think she should have understanding though, so I will gladly let someone with an interest (and more indepth understanding) handle that one.

Also? multiple teachers encourages students how to follow direction from different personalities, different expectations, etc. Kind of like what happens in, oh, I dunno, the real world.

You teach mine math, I'll teach yours history

I *could* teach math (and have, in the past, actually) but I hate it. So it's all yours, cheese.

In all honesty, if I ever decided to homeschool, this is the approach I would take--forming a co-op and sharing responsibility. I think kids benefit from having more than just parental authority figures in their lives, and school/education is a no-brainer way to include that. (In case I need to say it yet again, no, it is not the ONLY way.)

Then again, I truly do want my kids to encounter the bullshit that is bureaucracy early. Learn that authority figures can be wrong. That they can argue their points but that there are consequences to civil disobedience, even in the classroom. Critical thinking in the real world. All that jazz.

Also, Soylent Green is people and Big Brother is watching.

KellersPrag · January 2014

cheeseandrice said:

KellersPrag said:

EmleeSilva said:

I conceded to the argument. It was only a question that someone got offended by. Ina separate thought I was voicing some different opinions about why people homeschool since it was brought up on the previous page. That is my reason for homeschooling. Academic and physical freedom.

Physical freedom? wut?

yeah. because parents can never ever have their kids skip school.

it's basically prison, didn't you know?

I'm assuming (correct me if I am wrong, @emleesilva) that she is talking about sitting at a desk for most of the day?

I guess I find that to be ridiculous as a reason to homeschool, too. Learning to sit and follow directions in a structured environment is needed in the real world, as @cheeseandrice pointed out.

Because if that's not what she is talking about, I'm completely lost.

KellersPrag · January 2014

LoisLayn23 said:

KellersPrag said:

EmleeSilva said:

I conceded to the argument. It was only a question that someone got offended by. Ina separate thought I was voicing some different opinions about why people homeschool since it was brought up on the previous page. That is my reason for homeschooling. Academic and physical freedom.
Physical freedom? wut?

Because BRAZIL. God, keep up.

That's not the term I would have used. GOD, LOIS, BACK OFF.

linzeek44 · January 2014

I think homeschooling success depends on the parents' abilities AND the social network available. I went to college with some wonderful homeschooled women, and most of them said the fact that they had extracurriculars and a network of other teachers made a difference, especially socially.

As for Montessori, I think the "scam" part is just that you can call yourself Montessori regardless of how Montessori you are. So, that's interesting. E goes to a Montessori school but I wouldn't say there is a big difference in his classroom and a "typical" classroom. Some of the materials are different but that's about it. We chose it for other reasons. And I'm too cheap to pay extra for the Montessori label. It's priced the same as other places.

I think it's about the kid. If E isn't doing well in it later, we will move him somewhere else with an environment that suits his learning style.

EmleeSilva · January 2014

LoisLayn23 said:

KellersPrag said:

EmleeSilva said:

I conceded to the argument. It was only a question that someone got offended by. Ina separate thought I was voicing some different opinions about why people homeschool since it was brought up on the previous page. That is my reason for homeschooling. Academic and physical freedom.
Physical freedom? wut?

Because BRAZIL. God, keep up.

lmfao

Bighair12 · January 2014

EmleeSilva said:

Not having to plan around school every day would be a nice start.

Ummm, you may not have to plan around traditional classes but you would still have to plan around your curriculum.

MarisaKathleen · January 2014

EmleeSilva said:

I conceded to the argument. It was only a question that someone got offended by. Ina separate thought I was voicing some different opinions about why people homeschool since it was brought up on the previous page. That is my reason for homeschooling. Academic and physical freedom.

You have done nothing to change the stereotype of homeschooling or kids who were homeschooled for me.

KellersPrag · January 2014

EmleeSilva said:

Not having to plan around school every day would be a nice start.

**STUCK

I can't even. It's STRUCTURE.

So, your kids have no structure, and then they get their first job, or go to college. then what?

Ah, I don't feel like going to work today! I don't want to plan around my work schedule. I've spent the last 13 years not doing it...

hmp1 · January 2014

shiggybop said:

Apparently a uo to my house... HOUSES SHOULD NOT FUCKING COLLAPSE ON THEMSELVES. Pillars throughout the foundation should be standard practice on all homes in the obviously dry clay environment in Texas. I shouldn't have to put $8000+ into fixing a foundation that has already been fixed once. ( ( (

The worst part about DFW. We paid $10k in foundation repair when we sold our house. My parents fixed their foundation a few years before moving and had to add 2 more pillars when they sold.

EmleeSilva · January 2014

Never mind. Obviously I'm not proving any points here. Thank God I live in a country I have the freedom to educate my children the way I see fit without having to defend it to the angry mobs.

EmleeSilva · January 2014

cheeseandrice said:
What do you do for a living? Or what jobs have you had in the past?

Marketing Manager for a family resort.

Hyaline · January 2014

EmleeSilva said:

Never mind. Obviously I'm not proving any points here. Thank God I live in a country I have the freedom to educate my children the way I see fit without having to defend it to the angry mobs.

No, you're proving a point, all right. And that's fine. No one's debating that people *shouldn't* be able to home school. Just whether or not it's the best choice. There's pretty much nothing you could say to convince me that it's a better choice than traditional school *for me* and I have no interest in telling you what a better choice *for you* would be.

Also, if I'm going to be an effective part of an angry mob, I'm going to need a torch and pitchfork.

EmleeSilva · January 2014

EmleeSilva said:

cheeseandrice said:
What do you do for a living? Or what jobs have you had in the past?
Marketing Manager for a family resort.

Do you work from home? or have a flexible schedule?

Part time from home and very flexible in office.

kelbel527 · January 2014

EmleeSilva said:

Not having to plan around school every day would be a nice start.

What sort of job do you envision your children having when the grow up, if having to plan around something like school is a problem?

BPer · January 2014

EmleeSilva said:

Just curious.

I'm just curious why you make such twatty comments.

EmleeSilva · January 2014

Hyaline said:

EmleeSilva said:

Never mind. Obviously I'm not proving any points here. Thank God I live in a country I have the freedom to educate my children the way I see fit without having to defend it to the angry mobs.

No, you're proving a point, all right. And that's fine. No one's debating that people *shouldn't* be able to home school. Just whether or not it's the best choice. There's pretty much nothing you could say to convince me that it's a better choice than traditional school *for me* and I have no interest in telling you what a better choice *for you* would be.

Also, if I'm going to be an effective part of an angry mob, I'm going to need a torch and pitchfork.

I absolutely would never want to tell you that homeschooling is a better option for you. Just providing a different point of view. You have to admit if you home schooled a comment like "90%" can't effectively homeschool would be offensive.(I forget the exact quote)

EmleeSilva · January 2014

BPer said:

EmleeSilva said:

Just curious.

I'm just curious why you make such twatty comments.

Fail.

kelbel527 · January 2014

cheeseandrice said:

kelbel527 said:

EmleeSilva said:

Not having to plan around school every day would be a nice start.

What sort of job do you envision your children having when the grow up, if having to plan around something like school is a problem?
marketing manager for a resort with WFH whenever.

Guess I should have kept reading.

EmleeSilva · January 2014

kelbel527 said:

EmleeSilva said:

Not having to plan around school every day would be a nice start.

What sort of job do you envision your children having when the grow up, if having to plan around something like school is a problem?

My stepmother couldn't pull her kids out of school for a 2 week vacation because the school told her no. This is the kind of physical freedom I am referring to.

thetwinkies&Vivi · January 2014

I can't even with this homeschool mess. It's like trying to shove a square in the circle slot on a shape sorter.

BPer · January 2014

I can't stand when people participate in this forum for no other reason than to be contentious. Ahem.

You can spot them easily because they literally have nothing else to contribute. I'm looking at you @EmleeSilva

BPer · January 2014

I can't stand when people participate in this forum for no other reason than to be contentious. Ahem.

You can spot them easily because they literally have nothing else to contribute. I'm looking at you @EmleeSilva

Damn double post.

hmp1 · January 2014

Am I the only person that doesn't know anyone that is/was home schooled?

Bighair12 · January 2014

hmp1 said:

Am I the only person that doesn't know anyone that is/was home schooled?

I don't either. It wasn't popular where I grew up.

BPer · January 2014

EmleeSilva said:

EmleeSilva said:

Just curious.

I'm just curious why you make such twatty comments.
Fail.

You're not doing it right.

BPer · January 2014

Also, I hope your kid develops better social skills than you appear to have.

hmp1 · January 2014

cheeseandrice said:

cheeseandrice said:

"learn through playing" is kind of the overall idea. I agree with that.

I should have clarified. The "scam" part comes from the 'we know children so much better than all those dull regular daycare providers"... and the fact that they think they're worth, what, 2x the price of all other places that let your kid play.

I looked at 2 Montessori schools. One was terrible one was good. The good one is cheaper than what we pay for our daycare. I appreciate their approach. Our daycare uses some to the practices like I bet most daycares do.
That's kind of my point.

I know, I was agreeing with that point but disagreeing that Montessori equals more expensive because around here, it doesn't. And in Fort Worth it didn't either.

MarisaKathleen · January 2014

Anyone else still waiting for @tinyhumantoe to come out with her "really good" UO?

BPer · January 2014

IndigoVader said:

BPer said:

I can't stand when people participate in this forum for no other reason than to be contentious. Ahem.

You can spot them easily because they literally have nothing else to contribute. I'm looking at you @EmleeSilva

Yeah, I know it gets carazy when other boards or lurkers jump on one of our threads just to talk shit.....

Seriously, she was just defending her stance. Maybe with a little attitude, but she's defensive.

Not my point. She's been a member of this board for 2 weeks, and what has she really contributed other than this?

hmp1 · January 2014

My parents drank responsibly around me my entire life and let me try different drinks with them at home. I was still a fall down drunk in college. Good times. Wouldn't have had it any other way.

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