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NoeliaV · January 2014

Well our child was conceived without ovulation sticks. We've been open to pregnancy and creating a child since the very first time we had sex. It so happens that we achieved that after only a few months of marriage. Sil has been divorced and is on her second marriage. We are married and doing things the right way sil is just trying to prove a point.

mrscurlygurl · January 2014

adriennevazquez said:

And this is why I n

adriennevazquez said:

Perhaps you are right and I shouldn't have used the word 'bullshit' to describe the way people meet online. So I am sorry for my poor choice of wording and I will own up to that. However, like I said before, I do think there is something to be said about this world that is 'all about technology'. I am not bitter. I am happy for anyone who finds someone and is happily married. However they get there, again, GOOD for them. It's just sad that almost everything we do now is through technology and nothing seems to be by chance or coincidence or organic. Doesn't mean i think your marriages are going to fail or are less important than mine. Just means, in my opinion, we rely too much on technology.
If you're so worried about being over involved in technology, WTF are you doing here?!
Not that it's ANY of your business and I already explained this, I have chosen not to tell people in my life about my pregnancy because of previous losses so THAT is what I am doing here. My last pregnancy I was not on any of these boards. But I will say, other than this post, which I have learned my lesson, I do generally enjoy the support on this site. That said, while I am not pro online dating because that is not how I met my husband, maybe if i tried it I would feel differently. Just like I feel about using these forums this time around in my pregnancy and not last time. And unlike some people on this thread, I have no problem apologizing for the 10th time for my poor wording choice and I have no problem admitting what I said above.

This is a mature response. Now you'll just have to handle any more flaming from people who don't read all the way through the thread before responding. Good luck to you

(and I don't mean that snarkily)

Bbaby0923 · January 2014

BlckRoses said:

LindsRockies said:

I find it crazy that so many people in this thread find this Abagail shit entertaining. It's fucking HURTFUL to many, many women who've achieved a pregnancy via IUI or IVF. There's nothing entertaining about it.

As a mother to an IUI baby, 2 years ago a post like this would have had me in tears.

I hope my comment wasn't hurtful about enjoying the thread! I was more enjoying the rallying together of everyone and how people from a bunch of other boards came over to support each other, even if they haven't gone through IF themselves. It's part of the community here that I love, when someone is out of line and being horrible, the women here are sure to let them know.

I second this!

draeray · January 2014

I am a lurker from February 13 board....news travels fast so I couldn't help but come watch the train wreck; also sorry for crashing your board ladies!!

@ladyabagail, here is a shovel so you can keep digging because you are going to bury yourself on this board. I have no words for the ignorance that keeps spewing out of your mouth. You don't deserve to vocalize opinions such as yours anywhere let alone on an internet forum.

Confession: I met my husband online!

ABColeslaw · January 2014

ladyabagail said:

I just can't get excited about artificial or ivf pregnancies. My sil did ivf and announced her pregnancy right after we announced. Now the whole family is acting like this is such a blessed miracle. Nope, not a miracle just an act of science. We created our baby thru love and noone seems to care now that sil has her science baby on the way.

the fvck is wrong with you. Hey guys no one be excited for me...mkay? I used drugs and science to get pregnant, poor Lola isn't a miracle, just an experiment.

sarahg8r · January 2014

adriennevazquez said:

And this is why I n

adriennevazquez said:

Perhaps you are right and I shouldn't have used the word 'bullshit' to describe the way people meet online. So I am sorry for my poor choice of wording and I will own up to that. However, like I said before, I do think there is something to be said about this world that is 'all about technology'. I am not bitter. I am happy for anyone who finds someone and is happily married. However they get there, again, GOOD for them. It's just sad that almost everything we do now is through technology and nothing seems to be by chance or coincidence or organic. Doesn't mean i think your marriages are going to fail or are less important than mine. Just means, in my opinion, we rely too much on technology.
If you're so worried about being over involved in technology, WTF are you doing here?!
Not that it's ANY of your business and I already explained this, I have chosen not to tell people in my life about my pregnancy because of previous losses so THAT is what I am doing here. My last pregnancy I was not on any of these boards. But I will say, other than this post, which I have learned my lesson, I do generally enjoy the support on this site. That said, while I am not pro online dating because that is not how I met my husband, maybe if i tried it I would feel differently. Just like I feel about using these forums this time around in my pregnancy and not last time. And unlike some people on this thread, I have no problem apologizing for the 10th time for my poor wording choice and I have no problem admitting what I said above.

It's none of my business why you're here? But judging people on how they meet their significant others is your business? Yep, that makes sense. I apologize for intruding.

Pintobean39 · January 2014

Lurking from TTGP

@adriennevazquez. Welcome to the 21st century. People meet online, dating, or forums like this absolutely nothing wrong with it. You can back step all you want but what you said originally is still out there. Amazing how the internet works it just doesn't forget.

@ladyabagail I think it's time for you to put your baby dolls up because you are fixing to have to grow up really quick since you have a baby on the way. It's not "playing" house anymore. You sound very immature. One thing you learn as you mature (which you haven't) is not to say hurtful things. Hell my 15 yr old has more maturity than you do. Quit throwing your little temper tantrum like a 2 yr old because you SIL is stealing your thunder. Now go to your room and think about the hurtful things you have said and only come out when you have a heartfelt apology for all the ladies on this board you have hurt. You seriously need to grow the fuck up!!!!

beachbum4304 · January 2014

ladyabagail said:

We all are able to have are on values and beliefs mine happen to be more traditional. I'm not the only person that doesn't agree with artificial pregnancy methods. I may be only 18 but I'm handling this a lot more maturely than many of you who are calling me names and throwing insults. Who needs to grow up now?

adriennevazquez · January 2014

This is a lost cause. I have apologized a THOUSAND times for the way I worded my original post and I meant it. I also said I might feel differently had I tried online dating. So in essence, yes I am making assumptions and I admitted to that!

I am done here. You can continue to write nasty things about me but I won't be reading them so I wouldn't waste your time.

schnookee · January 2014

abundancenow said:

I agree Nicholas Hoult is hot, I love Angry Orchard and have not had Crispin, and would not name my kid after either, and I don't pay much attention to extreme groups and classify PETA as one.

My FFFC, I'd rather shit rainbows than be cruel.

Congrats to all the pregnant ladies here, I am excited for the planned, the unplanned, the IVF and the dirty deeders and whatever I've missed!

If you live angry orchard you have to try crispin. Yum!

zellatrix · January 2014

ladyabagail, I am going to assume that this is your SIL on your husbands side. Now, what I would like to know is if you have told him the nasty things you have said about her here? And how does he feel about how you feel about his sister? Or his soon to be niece or nephew?

You could have been happy to have someone to share the pregnancy journey with and been excited for her that she finally got pregnant. But.. instead you took a much lower road and just got nasty about it. I will give you a piece of advice that all newlyweds should know... don't make unnecessary enemies out of your new in-laws. You are creating drama where there doesn't have to be any.

ETA: I apparently don't know how to tag someone on here... oh well.

violajack · January 2014

cashews29 said:

I'm pretty sure if I asked H to make love to me, he would look at me like I was crazy.

I'm just getting caught up after cleaning All The Floors, but my iPad narrowly escaped a coffee bath at this.

marsalisails · January 2014

Lurking from July 2014

I am not a frequent poster (I haven't even intro'd on my BMB yet) but I felt like I needed to say that @ladyabagail, you need to do some growing up. When I was 18 I felt like life would always go the way I planned, and that if I was a good person and worked hard that things would go according to my book...but here I am at 34 and although I LOVE my life, literally NOTHING in my life looks the way I thought it would back then (I don't even look the way I thought I would!), and I AM a good person and HAVE worked hard, but about 10 percent has gone the way I planned it. Everyone has a journey, and their journey is NOT for you to judge. Talk to me in 15-20 years, when you finally have lived enough to figure that out.

KUGirl09 · January 2014

Get out of here @ladyabagail

notkateanymore · January 2014

ladyabagail said:

Ok I just read all the replies. For whoever said something about me spreading my legs I would like for you to know my HUSBAND and I created our child thru making love. I would not use ivf or any other stuff like that to conceive. A true miracle is a child created thru a husband and wifes passion for each other not in a lab. I'm sorry but I do not feel its right.

You are all sorts of stupid. Congrats, I've been here a long time and this is right up there with the worst thing I've seen. Let's put it this way, you might love your husband, but I loved my child enough to go through the pain and suffering of fertility treatments to have him. Your poor child isn't nearly as loved since it was like one time for what I can only guess was like 5 minutes of really bad sex.

brittneyandadam · January 2014

@ladyabagail You are far from a lady m'dear and have some serious growing up to do. By the looks of your poor judgement, ignorance, and disrespectful comments, you also have some serious reading to do. Pick up a book about IVF and infertility...and after you read about what someone has to go through to conceive, then come tell me that their child wasn't made with love. I feel oh so sorry for your LO...I just hope he/she doesn't grow up to be as ignorant and close-minded as you.

And BTW, your SIL deserves all the happiness in the world.

HungryRunner76 · January 2014

Things I've learned from this thread:

1. My artificial pregnancy/science baby wasn't made from love and isn't a miracle after almost two years of TTC.

2. Apparently, because this is both my husband and my second marriage, we are just trying to prove a point with said "science baby."

3. My marriage is bullshit because I met the love of my life through a dating website.

No kidding, I hit all three crazy town points here today. Do I get a prize? Or do I need to hide out in shame because I'm not traditional enough?

Whitterpow · January 2014

I recently went three days without showering. Whoops.

Also, I just discovered coconut oil and my husband makes fun of me because I've started using it on everything - nipples, lips, baby's head, as a moisturizer (hands, face, feet - you name it). The biggest confession of this is that one of the uses is that it can be used as deodorant and I tried it. I wouldn't recommend it for this purpose, but the rest of them are amazing.

Eta: totally posted on the wrong board since I'm a December mom, but I'll leave it as a little glimpse at what's to come in 7ish months for you ladies. Lol

Whitterpow · January 2014

BlckRoses said:

ladyabagail said:

I just can't get excited about artificial or ivf pregnancies. My sil did ivf and announced her pregnancy right after we announced. Now the whole family is acting like this is such a blessed miracle. Nope, not a miracle just an act of science. We created our baby thru love and noone seems to care now that sil has her science baby on the way.

Wow

This really just happened? I can only hope this was an AE... But if it wasn't @ladyabagail, congratulations on being able to easily conceive a child. Not everyone can do it quite so easily, but that doesn't mean they can't be parents also and don't deserve to have excitement from their loved ones about it. In fact, they usually make wonderful parents because they can appreciate the baby that much more because of the struggle and emotions that they experienced trying to conceive.

Whitterpow · January 2014

Cashingn2 said:

Whitterpow said:

I recently went three days without showering. Whoops.

Also, I just discovered coconut oil and my husband makes fun of me because I've started using it on everything - nipples, lips, baby's head, as a moisturizer (hands, face, feet - you name it). The biggest confession of this is that one of the uses is that it can be used as deodorant and I tried it. I wouldn't recommend it for this purpose, but the rest of them are amazing.

Go home, Whitterpow. You're drunk. Wrong board

.

Yeah right after I posted it I saw all the unfamiliar names and realized my mistake. This is what happens when I'm running on so little sleep!

jensavicci · January 2014

ladyabagail said:
Taking sperm from a cup and mixing it with an egg by a lab is not at all the same as a married couple creating a child by making love. Children will come into a marriage when the time is right, you shouldn't bring in stuff that is not supposed to happen like ivf. That is just how I feel nothing anyone says will change that. Children should be created in a marriage naturally .

@ladyabagail

Lurking from July '14

Holy mother of Christ....I can't even process the fact that you said that.

So, I'm a lesbian right (See siggy for reassurance). Are you saying that all 3 of my children including #4 on the way are less important and not meant to be here because my spouse and I couldn't naturally conceive? Cuz...DW didn't grow a wanker over night and shoot those puppies inside of me all by her lonesome.

You above all have left me truly flabbergasted. Truly truly flabbergasted.

ETA: ugh, just fuck you and your whole life.

christinemurray91 · January 2014

ladyabagail said:

Well our child was conceived without ovulation sticks. We've been open to pregnancy and creating a child since the very first time we had sex. It so happens that we achieved that after only a few months of marriage. Sil has been divorced and is on her second marriage. We are married and doing things the right way sil is just trying to prove a point.

Hello from June 2014.

Oh, okay. So you're just better than her in every way.

I'm ashamed to say, we have things in common. I got married when I was 19 to my high school sweetheart. We got pregnant 5 months after getting married (we're currently pregnant with our second).

That's where it ends. Even though I was young and married when I got pregnant, I never thought I was better than everybody. And guess what? The fact that we got married so young spikes our chances of our marriages ending in divorce. Having kids young adds on to that. You are still very much in your honeymoon period, but having a baby will shock you out of that.

I hope you don't get a divorce, but the odds are stacked against you. I've been married for 4 years now, but I know I chose a tough road. I knew that going into the marriage.

You are going to grow up so much over the next few years, that I hope you keep this bookmarked. You'll come back here and be so embarrassed. I 100% guarantee it. At least, I hope you do. Because your hard road will be so much harder if you don't.

angelg3134 · January 2014

adriennevazquez said: I think online dating us BULLSHIT. Go out and struggle to get to know someone the hard way instead of reading a Bio and having people do the hard work for you. I am aware that this is an ever growing trend and I just think it's silly. Marriage is hard work and dedication. Starting a marriage reading a bio online is not hard and doesn't require any dedication.

I met my fiance online on myspace and we online dated for about a month before meeting up at knotts. I think its bullshit that you consider that just because we met online there is no hard work or dedication. We work hard and we are dedicated every single day. So you can shove it and take a motherfucking seat.

spacepotatoes · January 2014

lurking from May 14...I normally don't wade into these things but in all of my time on The Bump, I don't think I've ever seen anything that made my blood boil quite this much.

@ladyabagail you are an unbelievably self-centered and ignorant person. If you had a damn clue about how babymaking actually works, you'd understand how much of a miracle it is that ANYONE gets pregnant, ever. Your complete lack of empathy for what your SIL has endured to get to this point (which, by the way, NO ONE in their right mind would do just to "make a point") is astounding. I hope your family gives your SIL the love and support she needs because she obviously isn't getting any from your dumb, selfish ass.

Ladies of August 14, I hope you flame this moron right off The Bump for good.

PS, hi @chickinNH! So nice to see you around these parts again

kittenslove · January 2014

Lurking from June 14. I want to say I am sorry I read this board, because I'm sorry anything like this was posted. @ladyabagail- if you look beyond the name calling, there is a theme to what these ladies are telling you. You are not as smart or knowledgable as you think you are, and it is obvious to the women here that you have maturing to do. Please do not repeat the hateful and hurtful things said here to anyone in your life (SIL/DH), or in general ever again. When you make statements like those on here, you paint yourself as a horrid, selfish human being without empathy. I would suggest learning to humble yourself - you are wrong and will be wrong again. Think before you speak, think about the implications and ramifications of what you say, and speak with love. I only hope that you will learn to love your new family (including SIL, her DH, and your niece or nephew) and teach your child to love too. Having Sex will not make you a good mother. Love will.

krdesi · January 2014

ladyabagail said:

Taking sperm from a cup and mixing it with an egg by a lab is not at all the same as a married couple creating a child by making love. Children will come into a marriage when the time is right, you shouldn't bring in stuff that is not supposed to happen like ivf. That is just how I feel nothing anyone says will change that. Children should be created in a marriage naturally .

ladyabagail I know this argument is over but you just disgust me and I had to say something. I saw my IVF baby today, waving at me and dancing on the screen while I had my ultrasound and THIS baby is LOVED more than you can EVER IMAGINE. You have no idea what love is, if you think the way you do and going through months of shots in my stomach and my ass and procedures and anesthesia to have this baby, is more love than you will ever know! YOU are the reason that many women don't feel comfortable talking about their struggles with infertility and feel the need to hide from people who make ignorant, asshole comments like yours. Everyone can spread their legs, but not everyone has the mental and physical strength to go through a difficult process such as ivf and other infertility treatments. Go fuck yourself!

rosesandpetals · January 2014

@ladyabagail I hope a bird shits directly on your face.

tbmadeamistake · January 2014

So...my babies were conceived in love by spreading my legs (I'm such a hussy!) for my husband...but I met my husband online. Where do I stand?

Carriebear22 · January 2014

@Ladyabagail I need to know where I stand here....we needed drugs to make me develop and drop eggs, but DH still had to mount me. So is my baby still special or no?

mrscrcalli · January 2014

April14 was here 8->

Empireceo · January 2014

Lurking from May 14: best of luck Teen Mom. Hope you don't need a surgical extraction to get that baby out. And please don't ever say "making love" again. Also, you're a douche.

kbellizio3 · January 2014

June 14 momma here. While I don't have experience myself with IVF, that post made me really mad. Why? I have triplet cousins that were the last attempt for my uncle and his now ex-wife. Not only did science help create those awesome kids, science helped save them when one wasn't breathing and they were taken 2 months early and were all 2lbs or less when born. And science helped keep them alive in the NICU. And NOBODY in my family (who had all conceived "naturally") thought any less of them because of them being created through IVF. Grow.up.

And that same uncle met his second wife online. She's honestly the coolest person ever.

Sarafar4 · January 2014

HappyFeet34 said:

I just can't get excited about artificial or ivf pregnancies. My sil did ivf and announced her pregnancy right after we announced. Now the whole family is acting like this is such a blessed miracle. Nope, not a miracle just an act of science. We created our baby thru love and noone seems to care now that sil has her science baby on the way.
Wow. This is one of the most terrible and offensive things I've ever read on TB. You have serious issues.

If I couldn't naturally conceive I would be devastated but thanking God we live in a time where science offers so many options to help. I have a very good friend got pregnant through IVF and it is amazing to see her joy as she goes through this amazing time too. Joke or not @lady should be kicked of TB. This a place for love and support. What you said is just cruel and I feel truly sorry your child who has to grow up surrounded by so much hate.

KMS11 · January 2014

Aw a friend of mine named her son this he is 15 though so a long time ago. I agree it's different

ahanifan · January 2014

ladyabagail said:
Ok I just read all the replies. For whoever said something about me spreading my legs I would like for you to know my HUSBAND and I created our child thru making love. I would not use ivf or any other stuff like that to conceive. A true miracle is a child created thru a husband and wifes passion for each other not in a lab. I'm sorry but I do not feel its right.

If it weren't for IVF I wouldn't have the blessing of being a mama. Belive me, I see plenty of women who mother children the old fashioned way that have absolutely no business being a mother. You obviously have some maturing to do, as well as life experience to gain. I wouldn't wish infertility upon anyone, but it would be interesting to see how you would handle 7 years of it, would you just give up?

Edit: misspoke on the topic of "love it" "flagging"

stefani103 · January 2014

1. My younger sister has had 3 kids, with 3 different guys, no problem; the first two were conceived during high school. It's not the "right way", but I love those kids with all of my heart.

2. I'm married (we met in person, so it's totally legit (and that's sarcasm, btw)), have a house, and a healthy 2-income household. Still, I've had 3 m/c. Doing things the "right way" does not mean babies come easily.

3. I am fortunate enough to be pregnant again. If our little one were to have a cousin their own age and I could go through the ups and downs of pregnancy with my SIL, I'd be thrilled, not jealous.

4. penis+sperm+vagina+egg=science

5. My FFFC: I have serious road rage issues. But I rarely honk or gesture, as I'm afraid of someone actually reacting. I just yell a lot (windows up).

nycAug2014 · January 2014

Does anyone else think @ladyabagail is too immature to realize it's not the IVF she has negative feelings about (because that would be absurd) and it's more likely just jealousy of her SIL? She is probably intimidated by her or doesn't like her and felt like she had one up on her by the SIL not being able to get pregnant (which is so disgusting, but just how little immature girls are).

AND I can't wait til this post blows up enough to spill over to one of the boards the SIL is on!! It's goons happen for sure!

beccaxrad · January 2014

That post was horrifically offensive. IVF couples have difficult pregnancies just like everyone else, if not worse. I know people that have done IVF multiple times and their bodies just won't allow them to stay pregnant. Not to mention all the times they have probably m/c before trying the science project. You should be ecstatic for your sister and be sharing this time together instead of criticizing her for something she can't control. I understand that not being educated can cause you to feel the way you do, but you should have learned something about the process and complications before you posted.

MonkeyJD · January 2014

ladyabagail said:
Taking sperm from a cup and mixing it with an egg by a lab is not at all the same as a married couple creating a child by making love. Children will come into a marriage when the time is right, you shouldn't bring in stuff that is not supposed to happen like ivf. That is just how I feel nothing anyone says will change that. Children should be created in a marriage naturally .

Can I jump in from July14 and say that not even Christ was "created in a marriage naturally". I'm a Christian and I believe that God himself did not physically come down and "make love" to Mary...and even if he had it still wouldn't have met your definition because they weren't married!

I'm sorry if someone has already said this. I'll go back and finish reading now.

phishgirl29 · January 2014

June 13 bumpie here,

I didn't read all the words but you @ladyabagail are an asshole. I normally don't resort to name calling but there is no saving you. Because of IVF I became a mommy to an amazing son who is loved. You need to get over yourself and your attention seeking, sorry excuse for a human, ways. I wish your SIL a lifetime of happiness with you not in her life. You couldn't pick my kid off the street and "tell" how he was conceived. Go fuck yourself. Ktxbai.

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