May 2014 Moms

Vbac moms, come in

My OB is giving me until 41 weeks to go into 'spontaneous' labor, he will not induce. I am okay with both of these ideas, I am a bit afraid of using pitocin and I also do not feel comfortable going past 41 weeks. I usually start drinking RRLT (to strengthen uterus) and EPO at around 36 weeks. However, my question is will any of you ladies try anything a little more potent, such as castor oil, teas or other methods to induce labor at home? 

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Re: Vbac moms, come in

  • Hey - You should check out the vbac facts facebook page and also your ICAN chapter.  I plan to do membrane sweeps, go to a webster chiropractor, accu/massage if necessary,etc.  I have heard bad things about castor oil...as in bad side effects and can also cause meconium (sp?) issues.
    IF DX: DOR & Fragile X pre-mutation carrier
    2011: FSH 13.3 & E 99; AMH 0.54 2nd FSH 6.2 E 40's AFC: 8
    BFP from Clomid/IUI ~ Pre-e and IUGR during pregnancy ~ DS born 9/4/12
    Feb./March 2013: AMH less than 0.16 (undectable) and AFC = 4;
    BFP from supps ~ DS#2 due May 2014

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  • None of those things will make you go into labor. They say sex/nipple stim is the best, because it can start contractions, but they won't actually cause your cervix to open and thin. 

    Your body will go into labor when it is ready. 
    Really? I knew that about RRLT and EPO. I was't sure about the rest. I have gf that swear by castor oil, but I have heard that it causes diarrhea during labor, and @ibackbevo mentioned it causes baby to pass meconium. 

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  • That is just coincidence for some women.  If we knew what caused labor, we could stop Pre-term labor.

    And the OWT behind Castor Oil is that it will make you poop, a lot. Some people theorize that if you bowels are empty, then your baby can drop further in the birth canel. But sometimes it makes you dehydrated, which will cause contractions too. However, contractions does not equal cervical changes.
    Interesting, thanks for the info! :) 

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  • Like @savannah_girl, I have heard a lot of people mention the sex thing, too. 

    Someone asked the same question on the vbac page yesterday or the day before...they were planning to actually use it because they had a deadline of 40 weeks.  There were a lot of people saying not to do it...it was too risky.  However, there was one midwife who said she had used it with all of her patients and it frequently seemed to work.  Personally, I would be leary. I would not want to risk the meconium (sp?) problems that some experience. 

    FYI - The deal with "deadlines" is that after 40 weeks, your chances of success (at a vbac) start to go down and the chances of a catastrophic rupture start go up. Catastrophic rupture means where the rupture results in infant death.  The stats that I have seen are the vbacs on their own at 40 weeks or before only result in infant death in about 1 out of 2000 cases...but if you look at all vbacs (including those at 42+ weeks), this rate is about 1 in 780.   Therefore, it gets riskier after 40 weeks and, I am guessing, a lot riskier after 41 weeks. 

    My current OB initially stated her deadline was 40 weeks, but when pushed said she would go to 41 weeks.  The top VBAC doctor in my city--which is a huge city with the largest medical complex in the world--will let you go to 41 weeks.  Therefore, I feel like 41 weeks is actually a pretty good balance.  My friend talked to this doctor's nurse practitioner (they are friends) and sent me her message...she pretty much said that if you want to go past 41 weeks in Houston (where I live), you will have to do a home birth with a midwife. 

    With that said, if I go by what some ladies on the VBAC facts page say, it seems like some doctors will let you go pretty much indefinitely...but I think they are few and far between.  I know I don't think I would push it to 42 weeks.  Personally, I think 41 weeks is a good balance.

    With respect to inducing, my current OB will not do pit or medication, but will do other things like break your water (if you are already in labor) or membrane sweeping, etc.  The "top vbac OB" who I mentioned above (and I am consulting with next month) will do pit if you are already starting to dilate, etc.  The rupture rates for pit are about 4 times high as no pit (~2 percent versus ~0.5%)...however, you have to remember only about 6% of ruptures result in fetal death.  Still, a rupture is bad.  No one wants a rupture. If you have a rupture, the baby needs to come out within 17-18 minutes or death or brain injury can result.  If you are in a top hospital with the OB there and an OR waiting, that is completely doable.  My OB said if I rupture, they can have the baby out in under 10 minutes...but the hospital I will be delivering at (if I stay with her) delivers ~10,000 babies a year, has an OR waiting at all times and a doctor on-the-floor at all times.  Not every hospital has that...
    IF DX: DOR & Fragile X pre-mutation carrier
    2011: FSH 13.3 & E 99; AMH 0.54 2nd FSH 6.2 E 40's AFC: 8
    BFP from Clomid/IUI ~ Pre-e and IUGR during pregnancy ~ DS born 9/4/12
    Feb./March 2013: AMH less than 0.16 (undectable) and AFC = 4;
    BFP from supps ~ DS#2 due May 2014

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  • @ibackbevo I agree with you on the meconium issue. I have also read about going past 41 weeks, and I agree with this. I am just a big of worry wort when it comes to all of this. I am going to talk to my OB regarding other methods of induction, such as the ones you mentioned. (Thanks for that info!) I am trying to steer clear from pitocin for the reasons you mentioned. I just am not the "risk taker" type. 

    So ladies, if you all do not go into labor, like at all, are you all just going to get a RCS? I am thinking that is what I will do, if nothing happens. :/


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  • @dbautista88 - I have not made the decision yet.  I am going to meet with this new doctor next month and get her take on it.  If I am still at a zero or a 0.5 and the baby is still high and I am 41 weeks and I have tried lesser methods, I guess I would probably opt for the RCS. 

    Honestly, though, I sort of feel like I will cross that bridge when I get to it.  With DS, I really did not want a c-section, but between pre-e and IUGR (and being in and out of the hospital umpteen times) and then him having heart rate decels the day before I was supposed to be induced, I remember just getting to the point where I just wanted him out and safe and not much else seemed to matter.  I do sometimes question whether I let myself get pushed into a c-section, but then I remember how freaking terrified I was at the time and how mentally/emotionally exhausted I was from dealing with weeks of a high-risk pregnancy.  For me, the anxiety of it all was the bad part.  I could take the bedrest and the frequent doctors visits and even the hospital bedrest...but constantly being worried about your baby and "not knowing" sucked.  If I have to go through something similar again, I doubt that I will be as gung-ho VBAC at the end of all of that as I am right now.  
    IF DX: DOR & Fragile X pre-mutation carrier
    2011: FSH 13.3 & E 99; AMH 0.54 2nd FSH 6.2 E 40's AFC: 8
    BFP from Clomid/IUI ~ Pre-e and IUGR during pregnancy ~ DS born 9/4/12
    Feb./March 2013: AMH less than 0.16 (undectable) and AFC = 4;
    BFP from supps ~ DS#2 due May 2014

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  • @ibackbevo Yeah, I agree. I would of been terrified if I was in your shoes as well. Glad you all were okay. I was terrified and nothing really went wrong in mine. OB just said, you've been at this (labor) for 12 hours, I don't want to stress the baby out, I recommend a c/s, now. I jumped on board because I just wanteDD to be safe. I will probably end up "going with the flow" of things during labor. I've read rupture stories where the moms "knew something wasn't right." I think our instincts also kick in. Thanks for your feedback, I really appreciate it!

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  • They can do an induction without Pitocin. There is a method that my midwifery uses that involves a balloon type device. They insert that and slowly inflate it. The idea is that it helps to thin the cervix and may tip you into labor. For me, if I had to be induced, this is where I'd like to start. And if it didn't work then go to Pitocin. 
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  • cnbean said:
    They can do an induction without Pitocin. There is a method that my midwifery uses that involves a balloon type device. They insert that and slowly inflate it. The idea is that it helps to thin the cervix and may tip you into labor. For me, if I had to be induced, this is where I'd like to start. And if it didn't work then go to Pitocin. 
    I read about that one! Yeah, if I had to be induced I would probably choose every other method before pitocin. I am seriously afraid of using that and risking a rupture. Thanks for the info. :)

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  • cnbean said:
    They can do an induction without Pitocin. There is a method that my midwifery uses that involves a balloon type device. They insert that and slowly inflate it. The idea is that it helps to thin the cervix and may tip you into labor. For me, if I had to be induced, this is where I'd like to start. And if it didn't work then go to Pitocin. 
    What is this called?  Is this a foley bulb?
    IF DX: DOR & Fragile X pre-mutation carrier
    2011: FSH 13.3 & E 99; AMH 0.54 2nd FSH 6.2 E 40's AFC: 8
    BFP from Clomid/IUI ~ Pre-e and IUGR during pregnancy ~ DS born 9/4/12
    Feb./March 2013: AMH less than 0.16 (undectable) and AFC = 4;
    BFP from supps ~ DS#2 due May 2014

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  • Yeah, that is the one I read as an option. 

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  • Re: The RRL tea and EPO:  I've started drinking the RRL tea (only 1 cup a day until 3rd tri).  But I read something yesterday on the vbacfacts.com page about avoiding EPO if you've had a VBAC.  Here is the link: https://vbacfacts.com/2012/11/13/evening-primrose-oil-dont-use-it-if-you-are-pregnant/

    On another topic - @IBackBevo are you part of the vbac  facts FB group?

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  • @mmks - Yes I am!  I just joined.  I also joined my local I-can facebook page. There is a ton of useful info on there.
    IF DX: DOR & Fragile X pre-mutation carrier
    2011: FSH 13.3 & E 99; AMH 0.54 2nd FSH 6.2 E 40's AFC: 8
    BFP from Clomid/IUI ~ Pre-e and IUGR during pregnancy ~ DS born 9/4/12
    Feb./March 2013: AMH less than 0.16 (undectable) and AFC = 4;
    BFP from supps ~ DS#2 due May 2014

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  • RNmama12 said:

    I scheduled my repeat csection for 40+2. If I go into labor on my own I will see how dilated I am etc before deciding to have the section or not. Under ideal circumstances I would give a VBAC a try. Castor oil gives you diarrhea which makes you dehydrated. At work we fight over who has to take the labor patient who drank castor Oil because once they get an epidural and can't make it to the bathroom.... it's not pretty.

    That last part made me LOL. Yeah, that's out of the picture for me. I was wondering if my OB would schedule a rcs after my 41 week appt or now? I'm a bit afraid going past 41 weeks periods regardless of the birth method. I might consider this option. :) thanks!

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