I just HAD to post this on my Facebook wall for the one annoying friend who's always yammering about her anti-vax, organic food lifestyle. Thought I'd post it here to because I know a lot of you would appreciate it.
I've always known I was going to raise my child as organically and "natural" as possible. But not once did that imply not vaccinating my kids. That's just obvious!
Thanks for this article! Hopefully people don't confuse eating and living healthier with turning their back on modern medicine! I need to share this with some FB friends as well *eye roll*!
Everyone is different . She was probably not exposed to sick people when she was young Therefore her immune system wasn't build up and when disease came around it attacked her . It's all logical . All kids need to get sick at some point, if you prevent your kids from getting sick by vaccinating them then they won't have a immune system at all , the concept of vaccination should work but sometimes it doesn't . Medicine is not perfect sorry
I have a friend that is refusing to vac. her kid, it makes me crazzzyyyyyy when I listen to her go on and on about how healthy he is compared to other kids and how he is never cranky and it's all because she chose not to vac.
Mind you he also is never around other kids because she refuses to go back to work and put him in childcare (there's a lot more to the story but I won't even go there...).
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I've always known I was going to raise my child as organically and "natural" as possible. But not once did that imply not vaccinating my kids. That's just obvious!
Thanks for this article! Hopefully people don't confuse eating and living healthier with turning their back on modern medicine! I need to share this with some FB friends as well *eye roll*!
Agreed. DH and I eat very well organic, natural foods. I tend to stay away from processed foods because I have a very sensitive stomach and food allergies. I will be doing the same with my kids (don't get me wrong, we still go out to eat and have our dunkin donuts but in general we eat very clean). BUT that does not mean that I won't be vaccinating and using modern medicine. I think a healthy balance of both is important.
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Everyone is different . She was probably not exposed to sick people when she was young Therefore her immune system wasn't build up and when disease came around it attacked her . It's all logical . All kids need to get sick at some point, if you prevent your kids from getting sick by vaccinating them then they won't have a immune system at all , the concept of vaccination should work but sometimes it doesn't . Medicine is not perfect sorry
Medicine being imperfect isn't a reason not to vaccinate! And I'm just not following your argument. Not getting vaccinated = good because it builds up your immune system by getting sick? The kinds of things vaccinated for are the things that KILL kids, not build up their immune system by, say, letting them eat that cheerio off the floor. And...how do you think vaccines work, if a vaccine isn't building up the immune system?
Thanks for sharing! I always wondered what it was like for people to grow up and not be vaccinated.
My grandfather had polio so I will be vaccinating my children. I still sit on the fence with the chicken pox one, as I had it as a child and survived. But I feel that if the chicken pox vaccine is now common practice, it would be best to vaccinate my children as well, because who knows how serious it could be if they get it.
Everyone is different . She was probably not exposed to sick people when she was young Therefore her immune system wasn't build up and when disease came around it attacked her . It's all logical . All kids need to get sick at some point, if you prevent your kids from getting sick by vaccinating them then they won't have a immune system at all , the concept of vaccination should work but sometimes it doesn't . Medicine is not perfect sorry
You understand that vaccinating your kids doesn't mean they'll never get sick, right?
Everyone is different . She was probably not exposed to sick people when she was young Therefore her immune system wasn't build up and when disease came around it attacked her . It's all logical . All kids need to get sick at some point, if you prevent your kids from getting sick by vaccinating them then they won't have a immune system at all , the concept of vaccination should work but sometimes it doesn't . Medicine is not perfect sorry
"It's all logical"? No. Getting a common cold is different than getting measles.
Everyone is different . She was probably not exposed to sick people when she was young Therefore her immune system wasn't build up and when disease came around it attacked her . It's all logical . All kids need to get sick at some point, if you prevent your kids from getting sick by vaccinating them then they won't have a immune system at all , the concept of vaccination should work but sometimes it doesn't . Medicine is not perfect sorry
My fully-vaccinated 2 year old gets sick plenty. Just not with Polio or Measles or Hepatitis. Your logic fails here. Vaccinations don't keep you from getting colds but they do keep you from getting illnesses that can kill you.
Everyone is different . She was probably not exposed to sick people when she was young Therefore her immune system wasn't build up and when disease came around it attacked her . It's all logical . All kids need to get sick at some point, if you prevent your kids from getting sick by vaccinating them then they won't have a immune system at all , the concept of vaccination should work but sometimes it doesn't . Medicine is not perfect sorry
My fully-vaccinated 2 year old gets sick plenty. Just not with Polio or Measles or Hepatitis. Your logic fails here. Vaccinations don't keep you from getting colds but they do keep you from getting illnesses that can kill you.
This is basically what I was going to say too, we're not vaccinating against colds and still getting sick with colds. Vaccinating against life threatening and seriously debilitating diseases is totally different. There's a reason theres the common cold and not "common polio"
Everyone is different . She was probably not exposed to sick people when she was young Therefore her immune system wasn't build up and when disease came around it attacked her . It's all logical . All kids need to get sick at some point, if you prevent your kids from getting sick by vaccinating them then they won't have a immune system at all , the concept of vaccination should work but sometimes it doesn't . Medicine is not perfect sorry
So kids should get sick with whooping cough, meningitis, diphtheria, etc. to build their immune system? What happens if that child dies, how good is their immune system then?
It's not like we're simply talking about a flu shot, we're talking about life-threatening diseases (I realize the flu can be life-threatning also).
I have a friend who is total anti vax to and posts some of the most ridiculous crap on her fb. I posted a huge article about why vaccinating is not so bad..and she deleted me,
Edit:changed wording
I have a friend who is total anti vax to and posts some of the most ridiculous crap on her fb. I posted a huge article about why vaccinating is not so bad..and she deleted me, Edit:changed wording
I have these friends too and it boils my blood. Her argument was that why should she vax her kid from polio when no one even get a polio any more. Umm.. seriously? Ya, because we have all been vaxed against it!
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I guess I'm a bit in between. I refuse the flu vaccine, and find the chicken pox vaccine a bit ridiculous, but any of the major, life threatening, life altering diseases, sign us up.
I have a friend who is total anti vax to and posts some of the most ridiculous crap on her fb. I posted a huge article about why vaccinating is not so bad..and she deleted me,
Edit:changed wording
I have these friends too and it boils my blood. Her argument was that why should she vax her kid from polio when no one even get a polio any more. Umm.. seriously? Ya, because we have all been vaxed against it!
she posted something one time about. To vaccinating for hepatitis .... Hepatitis!
I guess I'm a bit in between. I refuse the flu vaccine, and find the chicken pox vaccine a bit ridiculous, but any of the major, life threatening, life altering diseases, sign us up.
I also refuse the flu vaccine. There are only 4 or so strands in it, while there are hundreds of actual flu strains. To me it's not worth it. But measles? Mumps? Hepatitis? Whooping cough? Yeah, we got those.
I have a friend who is total anti vax to and posts some of the most ridiculous crap on her fb. I posted a huge article about why vaccinating is not so bad..and she deleted me,
Edit:changed wording
I have these friends too and it boils my blood. Her argument was that why should she vax her kid from polio when no one even get a polio any more. Umm.. seriously? Ya, because we have all been vaxed against it!
Ugh I hate hearing the "no one even gets *insert terrifying disease* anymore", and exactly...cause everyone's vaccinated!
I have a super vocal anti-vax fb friend that posts all the time about how breast feeding = vaccinated. Made me feel really great when I had to switch to formula at 6 weeks cause my boobs were the Sahara and DS wasn't gaining any weight
I guess I'm a bit in between. I refuse the flu vaccine, and find the chicken pox vaccine a bit ridiculous, but any of the major, life threatening, life altering diseases, sign us up.
Chicken pox I probably wouldn't do but I've had the flu and ended up in the hospital so anything I can do to not get it I'll do. Even if it's just a slightly lowered chance! But chicken pox doesn't seem like a big deal....
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I work with someone who is like that. Anti-medicine too. Her poor kid is sick almost constantly. Coughing to the point of throwing up at night. Clearly your herbal "remedies" aren't working and it's time for Robitussin.
I think there's a place for integrating natural medicine with conventional medicine, but not at the penalty of your child's health. You need to do what works to keep your child healthy.
I work with someone who is like that. Anti-medicine too. Her poor kid is sick almost constantly. Coughing to the point of throwing up at night. Clearly your herbal "remedies" aren't working and it's time for Robitussin.
I think there's a place for integrating natural medicine with conventional medicine, but not at the penalty of your child's health. You need to do what works to keep your child healthy.
Anti-medicine?! Ya, let me know how that works out for her when her kid has an illness and needs antibiotics. Is she aware of what can happen if you have something like oh I dont know, strep throat and it goes untreated? She may want to re-think that.
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LOVE this article. What frustrates me is that there are some people whose get vaccinated but they don't work so they need to rely on others to be vaccinated and keep the diseases away altogether. I have had the MMR shot several times, but am still not Rubella immune. As a school teacher, I have to count on my kids to be vaccinated so I don't get it.
I have a friend who is total anti vax to and posts some of the most ridiculous crap on her fb. I posted a huge article about why vaccinating is not so bad..and she deleted me,
Edit:changed wording
I have these friends too and it boils my blood. Her argument was that why should she vax her kid from polio when no one even get a polio any more. Umm.. seriously? Ya, because we have all been vaxed against it!
My friend's chiropractor husband that I complained about in a previous UO always talks about "evolutionary cycles" and argues that those diseases were on the decline anyway.
I guess I'm a bit in between. I refuse the flu vaccine, and find the chicken pox vaccine a bit ridiculous, but any of the major, life threatening, life altering diseases, sign us up.
I also refuse the flu vaccine. There are only 4 or so strands in it, while there are hundreds of actual flu strains. To me it's not worth it. But measles? Mumps? Hepatitis? Whooping cough? Yeah, we got those.
This is me too.
DH and I are still going back and forth about the chicken pox one. Neither of us ever had the vaccine (not sure it existed back then) and we both had chicken pox as kids. I'm not sure its necessary. But My MIL never had chicken pox as a kid and caught it from DH. It sucked for her and that sways DH towards giving our baby the vaccine.
I don't see why the chicken pox vacc is ridiculous? When I was a kid, when someone got the pox we all made sure we got it. Now, hardly anyone is getting it (because of vaccinations) but why increase the risk of it popping up later in life as a severe case of shingles? I fully understand that with or without vaccination this could lie dormant and pop up later in life anyway, however it has been proven that a reawakening of the varicella vaccinated virus is much less severe.
@empireceo I also had never had the flu vax... Until i got pregnant. I decided to get it this year since I'm pregnant in the heart of sick season. DH still refuses though and I don't blame him.
I guess I'm a bit in between. I refuse the flu vaccine, and find the chicken pox vaccine a bit ridiculous, but any of the major, life threatening, life altering diseases, sign us up.
I don't get the flu vaccine either. I will be refusing the chicken pox vaccine for DD. I once heard the reason that the chicken pox vaccine is part of the schedule is b/c it was developed for kids with cancer, leukemia, etc... kids who need to be vaccinated or they very well could die from chicken pox. But it wasn't lucrative enough for the manufacturers if only given to sick kids so they were going to pull it off the market if the CDC didn't make it part of the routine schedule for ALL kids. I don't know if that's true but I wouldn't be surprised. We vaccinate. I do split them up and kinda do an altered alternative schedule like Dr. Sears. But we just split them by a week. The 2 month shots DD passed out after, woke up screaming inconsolably, passed back out with tylenol and slept for about 10 hours. She fell asleep on the couch and I didn't want to move her should she wake up screaming again so I dozed curled up in a ball or on the floor with my hand on her til 4am when DH woke up and was like "wtf is going on?". So, I just do an extra trip, no copay, and get half the shots the next week. I would never be able to forgive myself if she got whooping cough or meningitis or anything else we could've prevented.
I have a friend who is total anti vax to and posts some of the most ridiculous crap on her fb. I posted a huge article about why vaccinating is not so bad..and she deleted me, Edit:changed wording
I have these friends too and it boils my blood. Her argument was that why should she vax her kid from polio when no one even get a polio any more. Umm.. seriously? Ya, because we have all been vaxed against it!
My friend's chiropractor husband that I complained about in a previous UO always talks about "evolutionary cycles" and argues that those diseases were on the decline anyway.
::rolls eyes :: ya okay.....
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But it was a nasty case and 28 years later I remember it vividly and I still have a few tiny pox scars on my face from where I just didn't have the self discipline to not scratch. My life was never in danger, but I'll be getting the vaccine for my kids because why put them through that? There's no point in suffering through a preventable illness. There are so many that aren't preventable and that our kids will have to muddle through, might as well vaccinate away what we can.
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Morbidity/mortality rate without vaccine > Morbidity/mortality rate with vaccine.
=> get vaccine
Plus I'd rather have fewer people walking around potentially passing on those things to immune-compromised or other high-risk individuals.
But I'm not going to get my panties all in a bunch about those two. The whole "I got it as a kid and lived" logic does bother me, because hell a ton of people in our parent's generation got polio and lived... so it's okay? Don't get it for a scientific reason if you aren't going to get it, not an anecdotal one.
I guess I'm a bit in between. I refuse the flu vaccine, and find the chicken pox vaccine a bit ridiculous, but any of the major, life threatening, life altering diseases, sign us up.
I also refuse the flu vaccine. There are only 4 or so strands in it, while there are hundreds of actual flu strains. To me it's not worth it. But measles? Mumps? Hepatitis? Whooping cough? Yeah, we got those.
I can't help but be grateful that I actually got the flu shot this year (normally I don't). There is now a rather large H1N1 outbreak where I live and have already dealt with customers who have been in direct contact with those suffering in the hospital. This year's flu vaccine covered H1N1.
And whomever said medicine is not perfect, is correct. If it was perfect, they would have found a way to bypass my resistance to the rubella vaccine so that I and my unborn child would be protected. No such luck yet, but I am hugely pro-vaccine and will totally side-eye the parents of the other children in my children's classes the next time there is a rubella outbreak.
Everyone is different . She was probably not exposed to sick people when she was young Therefore her immune system wasn't build up and when disease came around it attacked her . It's all logical . All kids need to get sick at some point, if you prevent your kids from getting sick by vaccinating them then they won't have a immune system at all , the concept of vaccination should work but sometimes it doesn't . Medicine is not perfect sorry
Actually I'm guessing she was exposed to many sick people when she was young. It sounds as though the group of people her parents were frequently around had similar beliefs (I say this because she mentioned several friends who had many of these deadly diseases as well). They all kept their children from being vaxed and therefore their kids all contracted these preventable diseases. The illnesses "attacked" her because they are deadly. You don't get the measles or rubella and just feel yucky for a few days, they are serious! Vaccines don't suppress immune systems, it's not like you get "cold vaccines" or "ear infection" vaccines. People that don't vax their kids and have kids that don't get vax preventable diseases can thank the people who do vax their kids, just like the article says. So NO, what you said is NOT logical.
The only reason we have ever rejected a vaccine was due to a severe paternal reaction, however, an allergist determined that it's likely they wouldn't react because it was a different vaccine back when dad got it. So they will be getting vaccinated.
Also, DD2 was on a delayed vax schedule due to seizures.
I don't see why the chicken pox vacc is ridiculous? When I was a kid, when someone got the pox we all made sure we got it. Now, hardly anyone is getting it (because of vaccinations) but why increase the risk of it popping up later in life as a severe case of shingles? I fully understand that with or without vaccination this could lie dormant and pop up later in life anyway, however it has been proven that a reawakening of the varicella vaccinated virus is much less severe.
@empireceo I also had never had the flu vax... Until i got pregnant. I decided to get it this year since I'm pregnant in the heart of sick season. DH still refuses though and I don't blame him.
I am the oldest of three in my family and was the only child that did not receive the pox vaccination. While I had a very mild case of the pox when I was very young, I contracted full blown shingles at the age of 14. This was one of the most miserable experiences I've ever had to endure.
This may be UO but I always say, they didn't come up with vaccines to hurt people. They are trying to help. And certain anti vax people make it seem like they are trying to poison us.
The only reason we have ever rejected a vaccine was due to a severe paternal reaction, however, an allergist determined that it's likely they wouldn't react because it was a different vaccine back when dad got it. So they will be getting vaccinated.
Also, DD2 was on a delayed vax schedule due to seizures.
These are my confessions...
Those shouldn't be confessions! Those are reasons why it's so flipping important for everyone who CAN get vaccines to get them!
This exactly. There are some who can't have the vaccines so it's more important for those who can to get them, because there are a few people who remain unprotected, but not by choice.
My UO is that you shouldn't be allowed to send your child to daycare or school if they are unvaxed. Fine you don't want to protect your own child, but in the process you are putting other children/people at risk. Chicken Pox, while seemingly harmless can be fatal to a newborn baby, well...I wouldn't want to be responsible for that. Yeah yeah my five year old took on the pox like a champ, we did however kill our next door neighbor's newborn....her problem not mine! WTF.
Also, people often overlook kids like Asher. Asher has PID and would not be able to attend public school if we didn't have mandated vaccines in this state. Seriously, I can give Asher the pox vaccine, but his immune system is so compromised that he can still get it if he is exposed to other children who aren't vaccinated. And the pox for Asher is not going to be a "rite of childhood" it is going to be a inpatient hospital ordeal.
Re: This is what happens when you don't vaccinate your kids.
Thanks for this article! Hopefully people don't confuse eating and living healthier with turning their back on modern medicine! I need to share this with some FB friends as well *eye roll*!
I have a friend that is refusing to vac. her kid, it makes me crazzzyyyyyy when I listen to her go on and on about how healthy he is compared to other kids and how he is never cranky and it's all because she chose not to vac.
Mind you he also is never around other kids because she refuses to go back to work and put him in childcare (there's a lot more to the story but I won't even go there...).
Medicine being imperfect isn't a reason not to vaccinate! And I'm just not following your argument. Not getting vaccinated = good because it builds up your immune system by getting sick? The kinds of things vaccinated for are the things that KILL kids, not build up their immune system by, say, letting them eat that cheerio off the floor. And...how do you think vaccines work, if a vaccine isn't building up the immune system?
Your logic fails here. Vaccinations don't keep you from getting colds but they do keep you from getting illnesses that can kill you.
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This is basically what I was going to say too, we're not vaccinating against colds and still getting sick with colds. Vaccinating against life threatening and seriously debilitating diseases is totally different. There's a reason theres the common cold and not "common polio"
It's not like we're simply talking about a flu shot, we're talking about life-threatening diseases (I realize the flu can be life-threatning also).
So true 8-}
she posted something one time about. To vaccinating for hepatitis .... Hepatitis!
I also refuse the flu vaccine. There are only 4 or so strands in it, while there are hundreds of actual flu strains. To me it's not worth it. But measles? Mumps? Hepatitis? Whooping cough? Yeah, we got those.
Ugh I hate hearing the "no one even gets *insert terrifying disease* anymore", and exactly...cause everyone's vaccinated!
I have a super vocal anti-vax fb friend that posts all the time about how breast feeding = vaccinated. Made me feel really great when I had to switch to formula at 6 weeks cause my boobs were the Sahara and DS wasn't gaining any weight
I think there's a place for integrating natural medicine with conventional medicine, but not at the penalty of your child's health. You need to do what works to keep your child healthy.
DH and I are still going back and forth about the chicken pox one. Neither of us ever had the vaccine (not sure it existed back then) and we both had chicken pox as kids. I'm not sure its necessary. But My MIL never had chicken pox as a kid and caught it from DH. It sucked for her and that sways DH towards giving our baby the vaccine.
@empireceo I also had never had the flu vax... Until i got pregnant. I decided to get it this year since I'm pregnant in the heart of sick season. DH still refuses though and I don't blame him.
We vaccinate. I do split them up and kinda do an altered alternative schedule like Dr. Sears. But we just split them by a week. The 2 month shots DD passed out after, woke up screaming inconsolably, passed back out with tylenol and slept for about 10 hours. She fell asleep on the couch and I didn't want to move her should she wake up screaming again so I dozed curled up in a ball or on the floor with my hand on her til 4am when DH woke up and was like "wtf is going on?". So, I just do an extra trip, no copay, and get half the shots the next week.
I would never be able to forgive myself if she got whooping cough or meningitis or anything else we could've prevented.
::rolls eyes :: ya okay.....
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I also refuse the flu vaccine. There are only 4 or so strands in it, while there are hundreds of actual flu strains. To me it's not worth it. But measles? Mumps? Hepatitis? Whooping cough? Yeah, we got those.
I can't help but be grateful that I actually got the flu shot this year (normally I don't). There is now a rather large H1N1 outbreak where I live and have already dealt with customers who have been in direct contact with those suffering in the hospital. This year's flu vaccine covered H1N1.
And whomever said medicine is not perfect, is correct. If it was perfect, they would have found a way to bypass my resistance to the rubella vaccine so that I and my unborn child would be protected. No such luck yet, but I am hugely pro-vaccine and will totally side-eye the parents of the other children in my children's classes the next time there is a rubella outbreak.
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Also, DD2 was on a delayed vax schedule due to seizures.
These are my confessions...
I am the oldest of three in my family and was the only child that did not receive the pox vaccination. While I had a very mild case of the pox when I was very young, I contracted full blown shingles at the age of 14. This was one of the most miserable experiences I've ever had to endure.
Get the damn vaccinations.
This exactly. There are some who can't have the vaccines so it's more important for those who can to get them, because there are a few people who remain unprotected, but not by choice.
Also, people often overlook kids like Asher. Asher has PID and would not be able to attend public school if we didn't have mandated vaccines in this state. Seriously, I can give Asher the pox vaccine, but his immune system is so compromised that he can still get it if he is exposed to other children who aren't vaccinated. And the pox for Asher is not going to be a "rite of childhood" it is going to be a inpatient hospital ordeal.
It is selfish not to vax, selfish.