I love how polite everyone is being on this thread.
I am going to jump the band wagon myself and say that I believe that a person's soul is the parts of them that feel emotions and respond to them. I'm not honestly sure scientifically when that would occur, but I don't think it is for a while, maybe even until they are born or beyond (not sure and I won't claim to know). That being said, I do think all the little babies being carried in their mother's womb have the capacity to become a person with a soul. So whether it is a very early miscarriage of a group of cells or a later one, I think it is still devastating because of what could have been.
I have been a paranormal investigator with a reputable group for several years and this has definitely sealed my belief that the soul exists even before the body and certainly enters it's little human body the millisecond conception occurs. I run into all sorts of opinions working with people as the case manager for our group and completely understand that other people have a different viewpoint built upon their own experiences and religious views and are fully entitled to what they have come to believe.
Due June 29, 2014
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I haven't read all the words, but I believe life begins at conception and that the baby becomes a person with a soul at conception. That isn't to say I would judge anyone who has had an abortion; I have no idea what circumstances life has brought you and that is an extremely personal choice.
I'll play. I don't mind the political/religious debates as long as they stay clean
I don't necessarily believe in a soul, per say, although I don't not believe in it either. I don't claim to know what the essence of life is, exactly. So I'll answer the question "when does life begin" because, to me, this is the same question.
I believe life begins at viability, so somewhere around 22-27 weeks. I realize that not all babies are viable at the same time, and there is sort of a "continuum of viability". I mostly think of this as a grey area where viability is attained, or maybe that each baby becomes alive at his or her own moment.
As far as loss goes, I have had a first trimester loss, and did not believe that my baby was "alive". That's why I tend to use the language "stopped growing" because I believe, technically, that's what happened. It doesn't make the loss any less real, though. I lost my February baby. I lost the rest of that PG. I lost those 12 weeks of exhaustion, morning sickness, not drinking coffee, etc. Just because I don't believe that my baby was "alive" doesn't mean that I didn't lose anything.
Well, I think my soul left my body when I began trying to argue with people from my hometown about the Duck Dynasty guy on Facebook. So I hope my baby still has one, at least.
@wtfisup too funny same here on DD! Geez lol. Not sure on the soul thing I think ones opinions might change in different circumstances to either cope with or justify whatever situation one is in...
I definitively think it is a miracle but I can see how a bad situation may distort that view into something else. It's a tough topic and I've learned that there are so many women in different situations which is the reason for so many different opinions and I do think that those opinions depend on the circumstances of one's situation.
I have been a paranormal investigator with a reputable group for several years and this has definitely sealed my belief that the soul exists even before the body and certainly enters it's little human body the millisecond conception occurs. I run into all sorts of opinions working with people as the case manager for our group and completely understand that other people have a different viewpoint built upon their own experiences and religious views and are fully entitled to what they have come to believe.
What was the youngest age of your subjects that you've encountered?
Soul? Meh. Spirit? Well, that would be the life energy that animates a body and leaves it upon death. So that begins and ends with heartbeat. Because science. But energy is actually transferred, not created, so it doesn't begin/end. Enter the body? Early.
Why?
I go to lunch with a bunch of women every week and when a question comes up that gets a tad heated I'm always interested in how women from other areas,ages and upbringing think of those questions. So I post them here
We were talking about if you believe your baby has a soul at what time does the soul enter its body and if you believe family members that have passed on take care of your child's soul until it's in its body. Glad this thread has stayed so polite! I should've clarified so it wasn't thought it could become an abortion thread
The Bump is starting to get all political and it makes me not want to come here. :-( Can't we just talk about our hormones, changing bodies, hopes and fears of pregnancy?
I'm not sure. Unless its a ginger. They don't have souls
Ok for those red heads or one who have red headed off spring just kidding. I have a serious affection for our photosensitive raven haired peeps.
I'm not too sure but I think soul isn't a finite thing. We all grow and develop our souls/spirits as we go through life. So maybe a little baby has a little seed soul that's growing
I agree that a lot gets lost in translation. I studied Spanish and lived in Spain for awhile and there were thoughts or concepts that could not be translated so...we all just did our best. However, it's my understanding that the faithful believe the Bible was written with divine inspiration. Maybe the same belief is held for the translation.
Re: Slightly controversial question of the week.
Due June 29, 2014
June 2014 Mommies' January Signature Challenge: Throwback baby pic
I'm not new. I just hate The Bump.
I'll play. I don't mind the political/religious debates as long as they stay clean
I don't necessarily believe in a soul, per say, although I don't not believe in it either. I don't claim to know what the essence of life is, exactly. So I'll answer the question "when does life begin" because, to me, this is the same question.
I believe life begins at viability, so somewhere around 22-27 weeks. I realize that not all babies are viable at the same time, and there is sort of a "continuum of viability". I mostly think of this as a grey area where viability is attained, or maybe that each baby becomes alive at his or her own moment.
As far as loss goes, I have had a first trimester loss, and did not believe that my baby was "alive". That's why I tend to use the language "stopped growing" because I believe, technically, that's what happened. It doesn't make the loss any less real, though. I lost my February baby. I lost the rest of that PG. I lost those 12 weeks of exhaustion, morning sickness, not drinking coffee, etc. Just because I don't believe that my baby was "alive" doesn't mean that I didn't lose anything.
BFP#2: EDD 2/11/14, MMC confirmed 7/15/13 (growth stopped at 6 weeks), D&C @ 12 weeks 7/25/13
We were talking about if you believe your baby has a soul at what time does the soul enter its body and if you believe family members that have passed on take care of your child's soul until it's in its body. Glad this thread has stayed so polite! I should've clarified so it wasn't thought it could become an abortion thread
Oct 21/13. Beta 360 @ 16 dpo
Oct 23/13. Beta 749 @ 18 dpo
Nov 24/13. Saw HB (141bpm) & baby wiggle around via ultrasound @ 9w5d due date changed to June 23!!
Dec 6/13. Heard HB (122bpm) via Doppler at OB @ 11w3d
Jan 9/14. Heard HB (124bpm) via Doppler at OB @ 16w3d irregular beat
Jan 29/14. DH felt kicks for first time @ 19w3d
Feb 2/14. Saw baby via ultrasound (quick scan in ER) @ 19w6d
Feb 6/14. Heard HB (126-134bpm) via Doppler @ 20w3d normal beat
Feb 15/14. AS - baby looked great (measured 1w small) and would NOT let us see sex! @ 21w5d
Feb 20/14 3D US - its a GIRL!!!!! @ 22w3d
Feb 27/14. Repeat AS for more pics, HB 124bpm @ 23w3d
Mar 6/14. Heard HB (130bpm) via Doppler @ 24w3d
Ok for those red heads or one who have red headed off spring just kidding. I have a serious affection for our photosensitive raven haired peeps.
I'm not too sure but I think soul isn't a finite thing. We all grow and develop our souls/spirits as we go through life. So maybe a little baby has a little seed soul that's growing