UO Thursday

pinottoparenthood · December 2013

Early confession: I returned my (unused) shopping cart cover to Babies R Us last weekend and used the gift card to buy board books for Rhys.

pinottoparenthood · December 2013

chgibeau said:

I don't understand the allure of alcohol and I typically judge people who drink more than one drink on a regular basis.

Alcohol is not necessary to relax. It is not a good way to "escape" real life. Go on a vacation or get a massage if you need an escape or to relax.

***I'm sure this view point stems from my father, my grandfather, my half-brother, his mom, and probably my other half-brother all being alcoholics.

I drink one drink maybe 2-3x a year and it's usually only to be "sociable".

My UO: When I meet people IRL who don't drink, I automatically judge them as being boring/stuffy. Sorry!!! I totally understand and respect your reasoning for not drinking though, and you're healthier than me!

Sol1790 · December 2013

pinottoparenthood said:

chgibeau said:

I don't understand the allure of alcohol and I typically judge people who drink more than one drink on a regular basis.

Alcohol is not necessary to relax. It is not a good way to "escape"
real life. Go on a vacation or get a massage if you need an escape or to
relax.

***I'm sure this view point stems from my father, my grandfather, my half-brother, his mom, and probably my other half-brother all being alcoholics.

I drink one drink maybe 2-3x a year and it's usually only to be "sociable".

My UO: When I meet people IRL who don't drink, I automatically judge them as being boring/stuffy. Sorry!!! I totally understand and respect your reasoning for not drinking though, and you're healthier than me!

I drink because I like to drink. I enjoy a good cold beer or a good wine or a mix drink. I don't drink because it helps me relax. I think those are excuses people use. I drink because I like it. Now Im sad because I have 9 months of no alcohol

ceamac0127 · December 2013

Sol1790 said:

chgibeau said:

I don't understand the allure of alcohol and I typically judge people who drink more than one drink on a regular basis.

Alcohol is not necessary to relax. It is not a good way to "escape" real life. Go on a vacation or get a massage if you need an escape or to relax.

***I'm sure this view point stems from my father, my grandfather, my half-brother, his mom, and probably my other half-brother all being alcoholics.

I drink one drink maybe 2-3x a year and it's usually only to be "sociable".

My UO: When I meet people IRL who don't drink, I automatically judge them as being boring/stuffy. Sorry!!! I totally understand and respect your reasoning for not drinking though, and you're healthier than me!
I drink because I like to drink. I enjoy a good cold beer or a good wine or a mix drink. I don't drink because it helps me relax. I think those are excuses people use. I drink because I like it. Now Im sad because I have 9 months of no alcohol

I know its all mental but when I have had a hard day, I take one sip of wine/beer and I can just feel the tension in my shoulders release....now I'm jonesing for a glass of wine...

JSS1002 · December 2013

chgibeau said:

chgibeau said:

I don't understand the allure of alcohol and I typically judge people who drink more than one drink on a regular basis.

Alcohol is not necessary to relax. It is not a good way to "escape" real life. Go on a vacation or get a massage if you need an escape or to relax.

***I'm sure this view point stems from my father, my grandfather, my half-brother, his mom, and probably my other half-brother all being alcoholics.

I drink one drink maybe 2-3x a year and it's usually only to be "sociable".

My UO: When I meet people IRL who don't drink, I automatically judge them as being boring/stuffy. Sorry!!! I totally understand and respect your reasoning for not drinking though, and you're healthier than me!
I am boring!!! Lol. I don't like the party scene and prefer to stay home and read a book. I'm not very outgoing either.

I like to stay home and drink. HOw's that!? Hahaha.

pinottoparenthood · December 2013

JSS1002 said:

chgibeau said:

chgibeau said:

I don't understand the allure of alcohol and I typically judge people who drink more than one drink on a regular basis.

Alcohol is not necessary to relax. It is not a good way to "escape" real life. Go on a vacation or get a massage if you need an escape or to relax.

***I'm sure this view point stems from my father, my grandfather, my half-brother, his mom, and probably my other half-brother all being alcoholics.

I drink one drink maybe 2-3x a year and it's usually only to be "sociable".

My UO: When I meet people IRL who don't drink, I automatically judge them as being boring/stuffy. Sorry!!! I totally understand and respect your reasoning for not drinking though, and you're healthier than me!
I am boring!!! Lol. I don't like the party scene and prefer to stay home and read a book. I'm not very outgoing either.

I like to stay home and drink. HOw's that!? Hahaha.

I even like to drink and read! But sometimes I have to go back and re-read portions the next morning, haha.

arschm02 · December 2013

melissad23 said:

Pinot got us lively last week! My small UO: I do not like eggs. Hate the way they smell. If DH is cooking them, I seriously want to gag. My bigger UO: I know the "do what works for your family" "don't knock it till you've tried it" mantras.... But I think bed sharing is crazy. I absolutely can not fathom sleeping in the same bed as Maddie. (I'm sure my views would be at least slightly different if I had been able breastfeed)

Nah, i agree with you. I nursed and still feel that way. I'm a squirmy sleeper, DS is a squirmy sleeper and I'm sure we'd wake each other up constantly. Plus DH would have probably moved to the guest room. The soft mattress and SIDS risk probably wouldn't have had any help in getting sleep either.

JSS1002 · December 2013

arschm02 said:

melissad23 said:

Pinot got us lively last week! My small UO: I do not like eggs. Hate the way they smell. If DH is cooking them, I seriously want to gag. My bigger UO: I know the "do what works for your family" "don't knock it till you've tried it" mantras.... But I think bed sharing is crazy. I absolutely can not fathom sleeping in the same bed as Maddie. (I'm sure my views would be at least slightly different if I had been able breastfeed)

Nah, i agree with you. I nursed and still feel that way. I'm a squirmy sleeper, DS is a squirmy sleeper and I'm sure we'd wake each other up constantly. Plus DH would have probably moved to the guest room. The soft mattress and SIDS risk probably wouldn't have had any help in getting sleep either.

I nursed to 4 months and I can't imagine sharing a bed with LO and DH... I'd be super paranoid about one of us squishing him,but mostly -- I wake up with every little sound he makes even in his OWN room - can't imagine I'd get any sleep at all with him wedged in near me.

JSS1002 · December 2013

arschm02 said:

melissad23 said:

Pinot got us lively last week! My small UO: I do not like eggs. Hate the way they smell. If DH is cooking them, I seriously want to gag. My bigger UO: I know the "do what works for your family" "don't knock it till you've tried it" mantras.... But I think bed sharing is crazy. I absolutely can not fathom sleeping in the same bed as Maddie. (I'm sure my views would be at least slightly different if I had been able breastfeed)

Nah, i agree with you. I nursed and still feel that way. I'm a squirmy sleeper, DS is a squirmy sleeper and I'm sure we'd wake each other up constantly. Plus DH would have probably moved to the guest room. The soft mattress and SIDS risk probably wouldn't have had any help in getting sleep either.

I nursed to 4 months and I can't imagine sharing a bed with LO and DH... I'd be super paranoid about one of us squishing him,but mostly -- I wake up with every little sound he makes even in his OWN room - can't imagine I'd get any sleep at all with him wedged in near me.

pinottoparenthood said:

JSS1002 said:

chgibeau said:

chgibeau said:

I don't understand the allure of alcohol and I typically judge people who drink more than one drink on a regular basis.

Alcohol is not necessary to relax. It is not a good way to "escape" real life. Go on a vacation or get a massage if you need an escape or to relax.

***I'm sure this view point stems from my father, my grandfather, my half-brother, his mom, and probably my other half-brother all being alcoholics.

I drink one drink maybe 2-3x a year and it's usually only to be "sociable".

My UO: When I meet people IRL who don't drink, I automatically judge them as being boring/stuffy. Sorry!!! I totally understand and respect your reasoning for not drinking though, and you're healthier than me!
I am boring!!! Lol. I don't like the party scene and prefer to stay home and read a book. I'm not very outgoing either.

I like to stay home and drink. HOw's that!? Hahaha.

I even like to drink and read! But sometimes I have to go back and re-read portions the next morning, haha.

I'll see your drinking and reading, and raise you "I like to read and drink wine while taking a bubble bath." Boo yah!

MKC12/22/2006 · December 2013

LibbyLouHoo said:

MKC12/22/2006 said:

When I see babies in shopping carts without covers, I cringe and hope that the parent sanitized the crap out of the cart first. I had a horrible staph infection as a baby, and it was from a shopping cart.

Here's the thing I don't understand about shopping cart covers. The cover touches the seat, you touch the cover to remove it, you touch the baby. How are those germs not being transferred? If 80% (or whatever number it is) of carts are covered in fecal matter/staph/etc. doesn't logic say that 80% of used shopping cart covers are as well?

Not if you only touch the top and fold the inside together.

and obviously wipe off later.

MKC12/22/2006 · December 2013

Grace0609 said:

MKC12/22/2006 said:

Grace0609 said:

I think it is weird at times to see people get so worked up about certain safety issues (ie carseats) and then not care at all about others (necklaces on babies, putting babies to sleep on their bellies, choking hazards, etc). I don't know that the folks on this board fall into this category, but I know people IRL who are like this. It's fun to pick one issue to be safe about. Again, not saying it is that way for the car seat advocates on this board, but it
made me think of a couple people I know.

I think some of us do not find everything to be a horrifying safety issue, though, and we've been over that before. Yep, DS wears an amber necklace. Nope, he is not choking to death. He is supervised while wearing it. I even let him chew on toys that have hit the ground in our house (gasp). However, you will not find my kid in a snowsuit in his carseat, and you won't find him in a shopping cart without a cover. So I guess everyone has their own version of what constitutes a safety or health hazard.

So are safety/health hazards relative? Meaning, do we each get to make up the facts about them?

Do we get to make up the facts? No. But you think I'm putting my baby's life in danger by having him wear an amber necklace while supervised, and I don't. I know the facts; I make a choice. My kid will not sit in a dirty shopping cart, but others' LOs here will. We all know the facts; we make different choices. No need to have mommy wars about it.

JSS1002 · December 2013

MKC12/22/2006 said:

MKC12/22/2006 said:

Grace0609 said:

I think it is weird at times to see people get so worked up about certain safety issues (ie carseats) and then not care at all about others (necklaces on babies, putting babies to sleep on their bellies, choking hazards, etc). I don't know that the folks on this board fall into this category, but I know people IRL who are like this. It's fun to pick one issue to be safe about. Again, not saying it is that way for the car seat advocates on this board, but it made me think of a couple people I know.

I think some of us do not find everything to be a horrifying safety issue, though, and we've been over that before. Yep, DS wears an amber necklace. Nope, he is not choking to death. He is supervised while wearing it. I even let him chew on toys that have hit the ground in our house (gasp). However, you will not find my kid in a snowsuit in his carseat, and you won't find him in a shopping cart without a cover. So I guess everyone has their own version of what constitutes a safety or health hazard.

So are safety/health hazards relative? Meaning, do we each get to make up the facts about them?
Do we get to make up the facts? No. But you think I'm putting my baby's life in danger by having him wear an amber necklace while supervised, and I don't. I know the facts; I make a choice. My kid will not sit in a dirty shopping cart, but others' LOs here will. We all know the facts; we make different choices. No need to have mommy wars about it.

You do have to pick your issues/ battles. LIke, I decided pretty early on that although I knew the studies about Bjorn being not-as-good for baby's hips, i was weraing a damn bjorn because I couldn't figure out a way to use the Ergo where we were both comfortable, and I was convinced he'd slip out of the Moby. He probably was in it on 10 occasions. And I'm pretty sure his hips will be just fine.

MKC12/22/2006 · December 2013

Grace0609 said:

MKC12/22/2006 said:

Grace0609 said:

MKC12/22/2006 said:

Grace0609 said:

I think it is weird at times to see people get so worked up about certain safety issues (ie carseats) and then not care at all about others (necklaces on babies, putting babies to sleep on their bellies, choking hazards, etc). I don't know that the folks on this board fall into this category, but I know people IRL who are like this. It's fun to pick one issue to be safe about. Again, not saying it is that way for the car seat advocates on this board, but it
made me think of a couple people I know.

I think some of us do not find everything to be a horrifying safety issue, though, and we've been over that before. Yep, DS wears an amber necklace. Nope, he is not choking to death. He is supervised while wearing it. I even let him chew on toys that have hit the ground in our house (gasp). However, you will not find my kid in a snowsuit in his carseat, and you won't find him in a shopping cart without a cover. So I guess everyone has their own version of what constitutes a safety or health hazard.

So are safety/health hazards relative? Meaning, do we each get to make up the facts about them?

Do we get to make up the facts? No. But you think I'm putting my baby's life in danger by having him wear an amber necklace while supervised, and I don't. I know the facts; I make a choice. My kid will not sit in a dirty shopping cart, but others' LOs here will. We all know the facts; we make different choices. No need to have mommy wars about it.

Ok. Sounds good. Wasn't trying to have a "mommy war" about anything. In fact, I was kinda doing the opposite and saying I think it is silly for people to cherry pick certain safety issues they get all up in arms about, while being oblivious others, but thinking they are right and everyone else is wrong.

BTW, staph lives on your skin. Get a cut, you can get a staph infection. I am not at all worried about my kid getting a staph infection from a shopping cart.

To each her own!

Debbie0580 · December 2013

pinottoparenthood said:

JSS1002 said:

chgibeau said:

pinottoparenthood said:

chgibeau said:

I don't understand the allure of alcohol and I typically judge people who drink more than one drink on a regular basis.

Alcohol is not necessary to relax. It is not a good way to "escape"
real life. Go on a vacation or get a massage if you need an escape or to
relax.

***I'm sure this view point stems from my father, my grandfather, my half-brother, his mom, and probably my other half-brother all being alcoholics.

I drink one drink maybe 2-3x a year and it's usually only to be "sociable".

My UO: When I meet people IRL who don't drink, I automatically judge them as being boring/stuffy. Sorry!!! I totally understand and respect your reasoning for not drinking though, and you're healthier than me!
I am boring!!! Lol. I don't like the party scene and prefer to stay home and read a book. I'm not very outgoing either.

I like to stay home and drink. HOw's that!? Hahaha.

I even like to drink and read! But sometimes I have to go back and re-read portions the next morning, haha.

That's how I got pregnant (I was reading Fifty Shades and drinking wine...)

ETA typo

JordynLeighx3 · December 2013

The safety when it comes to a carseat, to me, is COMPLETELY different than some of the things that are being compared to it. I think of it like this...how would you feel if you got on a roller coaster, and the people in charge of operating it KNEW that it was not safe for you to be riding in it with a bulky jacket because the straps wouldn't hold you in correctly when you went through the loopty loop, yet they didn't tell you. You're putting your life in their hands. While our LOs are putting their lives in our hands. WE much like the roller coaster operated know what is safe....why go against what the manufacture strictly prohibits?

skidderdo · December 2013

OhSewCrafty said:
This isn't necessarily towards the Moms here, but to Moms everywhere.

For the love of all that is holy, put your kid in some clothes. Babies over 4-5 months are too old to wear feetie pajamas everywhere. When I see older babies sitting in shopping carts talking and waving.....and wearing pajamas, I don't understand. Dress them in actual clothes, people!

Ha! Warner will wear foot pajamas until he is 12. Why do you think I went into medicine? Scrubs: footless pj's for adults.

MKC12/22/2006 · December 2013

JordynLeighx3 said:
The safety when it comes to a carseat, to me, is COMPLETELY different than some of the things that are being compared to it. I think of it like this...how would you feel if you got on a roller coaster, and the people in charge of operating it KNEW that it was not safe for you to be riding in it with a bulky jacket because the straps wouldn't hold you in correctly when you went through the loopty loop, yet they didn't tell you. You're putting your life in their hands. While our LOs are putting their lives in our hands. WE much like the roller coaster operated know what is safe....why go against what the manufacture strictly prohibits?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this is a UO on this board.

We are all about buckling our little ones in safely!

OhSewCrafty · December 2013

MKC12/22/2006 said:

The safety when it comes to a carseat, to me, is COMPLETELY different than some of the things that are being compared to it. I think of it like this...how would you feel if you got on a roller coaster, and the people in charge of operating it KNEW that it was not safe for you to be riding in it with a bulky jacket because the straps wouldn't hold you in correctly when you went through the loopty loop, yet they didn't tell you. You're putting your life in their hands. While our LOs are putting their lives in our hands. WE much like the roller coaster operated know what is safe....why go against what the manufacture strictly prohibits?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this is a UO on this board. We are all about buckling our little ones in safely!

Trust me - once the babies start hitting 1 year, the "I know what's best for my baby" crap will start to come out and babies will start flipping FF. Mark my words.

arschm02 · December 2013

UO: I really don't like sweets.... Except ice cream. I will take salt any day.

kelsea1031 · December 2013

OhSewCrafty said:

MKC12/22/2006 said:

The safety when it comes to a carseat, to me, is COMPLETELY different than some of the things that are being compared to it. I think of it like this...how would you feel if you got on a roller coaster, and the people in charge of operating it KNEW that it was not safe for you to be riding in it with a bulky jacket because the straps wouldn't hold you in correctly when you went through the loopty loop, yet they didn't tell you. You're putting your life in their hands. While our LOs are putting their lives in our hands. WE much like the roller coaster operated know what is safe....why go against what the manufacture strictly prohibits?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this is a UO on this board. We are all about buckling our little ones in safely!

Trust me - once the babies start hitting 1 year, the "I know what's best for my baby" crap will start to come out and babies will start flipping FF. Mark my words.

Truth! And I'm more vocal about car seat safety because it's more likely that we use car seats multiple times a day. I've seen a dozen photos of babies in puffy coats on my facebook newsfeed this week alone but I've yet to see one of a LO in a necklace.

La Olivia · December 2013

OhSewCrafty said:
This isn't necessarily towards the Moms here, but to Moms everywhere.

For the love of all that is holy, put your kid in some clothes. Babies over 4-5 months are too old to wear feetie pajamas everywhere. When I see older babies sitting in shopping carts talking and waving.....and wearing pajamas, I don't understand. Dress them in actual clothes, people!

Nope. Feetie pajamas forever!

Aprilbaby49 · December 2013

La Olivia said:

OhSewCrafty said:
This isn't necessarily towards the Moms here, but to Moms everywhere.

For the love of all that is holy, put your kid in some clothes. Babies over 4-5 months are too old to wear feetie pajamas everywhere. When I see older babies sitting in shopping carts talking and waving.....and wearing pajamas, I don't understand. Dress them in actual clothes, people!
Nope. Feetie pajamas forever!

Haha I'm in the footed pjs camp too. I do dress N in regular clothes when we go out but he has a habit of kicking his socks off and ending up with cold feet. I found some outfits that look like long sleeves polos but its a one piece with feet. It works great for us because N doesn't look like he's in pjs and it solves our cold feet problem. They are super expensive though

pinottoparenthood · December 2013

I'm doing a major quote tree here but felt the need. This REALLY struck a chord with me. Some of us CANNOT drink because we are in recovery. That makes us neither boring nor stuffy but rather trying to stay alive. If I drank today, I'd be dead. And yet, I'm probably one of the most outgoing and lively sober people you have ever met.

Oh I see what you were talking about in your FFFC post now. You're obviously a very brave and determined person to face your problem and conquer it. I was just being honest, though. That's my first thought/snap judgment when someone doesn't drink. Maybe it's close-minded of me, but I have never struggled with any sort of addiction so I can honestly say that I just don't fully understand where you are coming from. Sorry if my comments were hurtful or offensive to you.

JSS1002 · December 2013

pinottoparenthood said:

I'm doing a major quote tree here but felt the need. This REALLY struck a chord with me. Some of us CANNOT drink because we are in recovery. That makes us neither boring nor stuffy but rather trying to stay alive. If I drank today, I'd be dead. And yet, I'm probably one of the most outgoing and lively sober people you have ever met.
Oh I see what you were talking about in your FFFC post now. You're obviously a very brave and determined person to face your problem and conquer it. I was just being honest, though. That's my first thought/snap judgment when someone doesn't drink. Maybe it's close-minded of me, but I have never struggled with any sort of addiction so I can honestly say that I just don't fully understand where you are coming from. Sorry if my comments were hurtful or offensive to you.

Yes, apologies for this. I have a few friends in recovery and I echo what Pinot said above that you are obviously very strong and brave and disciplined! I think what she said was sort of tongue in cheek -- I almost commented (but didn't) that when I was dating, I wouldn't date guys that didn't drink, but that was more about them thinking I was a lush.

Congrats on your sobriety - I'm sure it is hard earned.

Sidenote: for as much as I love a nice glass of wine, I also actually love the way I feeling when I'm not drinking - I actually enjoyed that aspect of pregnancy and I think about it often!

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