TMI Question - legs in the air

NavyFlyer · December 2013

Ok so ya'll already know this is my first cycle TTC after getting home from deployment, so I'm in my first fertile window. I just got done propping my butt/legs up on a wall for 20 minutes. I read in TCOYF that the stuff that "leaks out after sex" isn't the sperm anyway, but my question is this:

1. How long do you guys prop up your legs, if you do at all?

2. When I went to pee after 20 minutes a lot of gunk came out, as usual. I was looking at it thinking "is this stuff REALLY useless? Did the sperm really get out already?" Or am I supposed to walk around trying to hold it in as long as possible? Cuz that's just a mess waiting to happen...

As usual I will prepay for your wisdom with a cute photo. Thanks in advance!

NavyFlyer · December 2013

Sorry for another question but whats the whole UTI thing? Is there a correlation between not cleaning off after sex and UTI's?

gscoville · December 2013

NavyFlyer said:

Ok so ya'll already know this is my first cycle TTC after getting home from deployment, so I'm in my first fertile window. I just got done propping my butt/legs up on a wall for 20 minutes. I read in TCOYF that the stuff that "leaks out after sex" isn't the sperm anyway, but my question is this:
1. How long do you guys prop up your legs, if you do at all?
2. When I went to pee after 20 minutes a lot of gunk came out, as usual. I was looking at it thinking "is this stuff REALLY useless? Did the sperm really get out already?" Or am I supposed to walk around trying to hold it in as long as possible? Cuz that's just a mess waiting to happen...
As usual I will prepay for your wisdom with a cute photo. Thanks in advance!

That stuff that leaks out afterwards is NOT sperm, it's the fluid that carries the sperm (semen) and is not needed to be held in as long as possible. Seriously, any sperm that's worth trying to save has already started to make its way in as soon as it was deposited. Anything that might come out once you get up wasn't making it to begin with.

snooks721 · December 2013

I don't prop my legs up. I usually wait 3 minutes and then pee. Too scared to risk getting a UTI.

NavyFlyer · December 2013

After hearing your responses I'm starting to think all I accomplished in those 20 minutes was looking stupid and a lower back ache...

KingLED · December 2013

I've never propped my legs up and I always pee immediately after unless we're not near a restroom. Not so much because I want to avoid a UTI, though obviously I do, I just don't see how sperm that would be helped by propping my legs up are going to be the ones that are viable enough to create a healthy baby. So what's the point?

Pintobean39 · December 2013

I never prop my legs up,I away's go pee immediately afterwards because I'm prone to UTI. I've gotten preg 6 times.

The sperm that needs to be there immediately goes where it needs to be. The stuff that comes out is sperm that had no chance and just fluid sperm needs to survive.

Smallllmin · December 2013

I have been waiting like ten minutes before standing up.

I am very prone to UTIs after sex (and after baths and hot tubs... Which sucks).

So I usually make sure I pee within 10-15min.

My obgyn said make sure to pee within 30min.

augusta17 · December 2013

When I saw the thread title I did a little "like ya just don't care.."

ngolimento · December 2013

It's not that the stuff in your vag doesn't contain semen, or is unecessary. However, the moneyshot into the uterus is what is most likely to result in pregnancy. The vag itself isn't very sperm friendly, and unfortunately those stranded sailors are doomed to Davy Jones' locker.

catmagick · December 2013

The only time I propped, I got a UTI (first one ever) AND a yeast infection. AT. THE. SAME. TIME. There really just aren't words...........

So I'm always gonna go with NO on that one.

BeachLover2885 · December 2013

I've never propped myself up or put my legs in the air. As PP said, any viable sperm would be swimming regardless of waiting or propping your legs up. I always pee after sex.. out of habit and just because bumping and grinding makes me go!

hooverj3 · December 2013

When I got pregnant with DD I would get up right after and pee. @zoeygirl1105 do u take an antibiotic after every time you do the deed?

janda426 · December 2013

zoeygirl1105 said:
@hooverj3 ya I take macrobid before or after. It was so bad I never wanted sex. I haven't had one since and it's been so much better!

You do realize that by using an antibiotic as a preventative when there are no bacteria to fight you're increasing your chances of microorganism resistance like crazy?? I cannot believe that a doctor would tell you to basically live on an antibiotic. That's what probiotics are for. Or cranberry pills. Or drinking loads of water. All things that should've been done before resorting to that. All you're doing is killing the weak organisms and allowing the resistant organisms to multiply and when there's enough present to create a UTI you will stop reacting to the antibiotic because the only organisms left are resistant.

It's not your fault, but this shit drives me insane. People don't understand how real antibiotic resistance is and how were resorting to antibiotics with horrid side effects that used to only be a last resort. I would strongly encourage you to rethink how frequently you take that macrobid.

Texasgurly0313 · December 2013

I get up within a few minutes. I am prone to UTIs after sex, and I don't want to take my chances.

AppleGrapeMSTK · December 2013

I've propped on occasion, but it clearly hasn't made a difference.

MusicFanatic · December 2013

I've never propped my legs up. I get up from sex literally 2 minutes after sex to use the rest room, or I can feel it starting to leak out.. and I don't want that nasty stuff all over my sheets, or running down my legs.

I always chuckle when I hear people say they have sex, roll over and go to sleep. Whaaaat? I thought maybe I had a strange body, and stuff leaked out after sex more than most or something. I could never.

janda426 · December 2013

GhostMonkey said:

janda426 said:

@hooverj3 ya I take macrobid before or after. It was so bad I never wanted sex. I haven't had one since and it's been so much better!
You do realize that by using an antibiotic as a preventative when there are no bacteria to fight you're increasing your chances of microorganism resistance like crazy?? I cannot believe that a doctor would tell you to basically live on an antibiotic. That's what probiotics are for. Or cranberry pills. Or drinking loads of water. All things that should've been done before resorting to that. All you're doing is killing the weak organisms and allowing the resistant organisms to multiply and when there's enough present to create a UTI you will stop reacting to the antibiotic because the only organisms left are resistant. It's not your fault, but this shit drives me insane. People don't understand how real antibiotic resistance is and how were resorting to antibiotics with horrid side effects that used to only be a last resort. I would strongly encourage you to rethink how frequently you take that macrobid.

There is nothing wrong with that. That was going to be my next step if sex continued to keep giving me a UTI after every time we had sex. All the bullshit crap you claim to attempt? DID IT. Month after month. Didn't change the outcome at all.

Please attempt to tell me I have no clue what I am doing when it comes to something medical related. It is a proper way to handle that. It's not how every UTI should be handled, but this situation isn't your once in a while UTI.

It's not "bullshit crap" if it works for the majority of the population and is the first line of defense. I'm not saying abusing antibiotics won't work, because yeah it will- it's creating a hostile environment for ANY bacteria. But you cannot say for a second that it's not creating microbial resistance. Just because you were about to do it doesn't make it an ideal situation for everyone. You're speaking to someone who's also suffered from frequent UTIs- I believe we spoke about this in another thread months ago. Knowing what I know, I would never risk microbial resistance and possibly not responding to an antibiotic should I ever come down with a multi strain resistant disease. And that is what I was telling her. Maybe she didn't know. You know how many people come to this board using meds without proper background info...

ArmyWife0623 · December 2013

@NavyFlyer glad you are home safe from deployment, and home in time for the holidays!

through my research,sperm enters the cervix within a few minutes after ejaculation, and what leaks out is just semen (the fluid carrying sperm) even though there is no scientific proof that having legs up afterwards increases your chances, i still find myself hanging out in bed for a few minutes afterwards.

I have never had a UTI, so i can lie in bed for a bit afterwards without the worry of one. but if you are prone to UTI's then i would not suggest the ''legs up approach''

janda426 said:

@hooverj3 ya I take macrobid before or after. It was so bad I never wanted sex. I haven't had one since and it's been so much better!
You do realize that by using an antibiotic as a preventative when there are no bacteria to fight you're increasing your chances of microorganism resistance like crazy?? I cannot believe that a doctor would tell you to basically live on an antibiotic. That's what probiotics are for. Or cranberry pills. Or drinking loads of water. All things that should've been done before resorting to that. All you're doing is killing the weak organisms and allowing the resistant organisms to multiply and when there's enough present to create a UTI you will stop reacting to the antibiotic because the only organisms left are resistant. It's not your fault, but this shit drives me insane. People don't understand how real antibiotic resistance is and how were resorting to antibiotics with horrid side effects that used to only be a last resort. I would strongly encourage you to rethink how frequently you take that macrobid.

if you are prone to UTI's i do agree with @janda426... taking antibiotics when you do not have an infection, will only cause you to become resistant to such infectious organism. it also kills your healthy, good bacteria that fights off all bad bacterias that you body is introduced to on a daily basis. (ie being more susceptible to germs, virusis, colds, flu etc., which can do more harm than good.)

janda426 · December 2013

GhostMonkey said:

::facepalm:: You're wrong. Just swallow it and live with it. What she is doing is the next course of treatment. You didn't get there. Good for you. Others are beyond your issues.

Ah no, no I'm not wrong on the side effects of antibiotic abuse. That would be science. You know, the whole reason they're desperately trying to get a new class of antibiotics down the pipeline.

janda426 · December 2013

ArmyWife0623 said:

janda426 said:

@hooverj3 ya I take macrobid before or after. It was so bad I never wanted sex. I haven't had one since and it's been so much better!
You do realize that by using an antibiotic as a preventative when there are no bacteria to fight you're increasing your chances of microorganism resistance like crazy?? I cannot believe that a doctor would tell you to basically live on an antibiotic. That's what probiotics are for. Or cranberry pills. Or drinking loads of water. All things that should've been done before resorting to that. All you're doing is killing the weak organisms and allowing the resistant organisms to multiply and when there's enough present to create a UTI you will stop reacting to the antibiotic because the only organisms left are resistant. It's not your fault, but this shit drives me insane. People don't understand how real antibiotic resistance is and how were resorting to antibiotics with horrid side effects that used to only be a last resort. I would strongly encourage you to rethink how frequently you take that macrobid.

if you are prone to UTI's i do agree with @janda426... taking antibiotics when you do not have an infection, will only cause you to become resistant to such infectious organism. it also kills your healthy, good bacteria that fights off all bad bacterias that you body is introduced to on a daily basis. (ie being more susceptible to germs, virusis, colds, flu etc., which can do more harm than good.)

This exactly. Just because it's a medical intervention doesn't mean it's the smartest one.

Hegi627 · December 2013

I put a pillow under my hips during and call it even. I do always get a little weirded out when I see it all in the toilet, like, how could there possibly even be that much in there?! But now I will think of them as little pirates, consigned forever to Davy Jones Locker. Thanks Pele

janda426 · December 2013

zoeygirl1105 said:

My husbands a doctor and I've seen multiple doctors over the issue. It's something I have to live with and was affecting my relationship. Thanks for all the medical advice.

I am sorry you've had to deal with them that frequently- I had 6 UTIs last year and know firsthand how awful they are. I actually developed an issue where I'd get the urgency feeling because my bladder had become so abused by the infections. I do know my facts about microbial resistance, I'm a nurse- I'm not just handing out medical info from nowhere, but I guess this is just one of those subjects where it's a matter of opinion and picking the lesser evil.

ClaireHuxtable · December 2013

I won't prop my legs up against a wall, but I have been known to stick a pillow up under by butt for a few minutes. Never had a UTI and I figure it's not going to hurt much. Clearly, it hasn't helped so far, but even if it did how would I know with all the other things I'm using to help out in this department.

janda426 · December 2013

GhostMonkey said:

janda426 said:

ArmyWife0623 said:

janda426 said:

@hooverj3 ya I take macrobid before or after. It was so bad I never wanted sex. I haven't had one since and it's been so much better!
You do realize that by using an antibiotic as a preventative when there are no bacteria to fight you're increasing your chances of microorganism resistance like crazy?? I cannot believe that a doctor would tell you to basically live on an antibiotic. That's what probiotics are for. Or cranberry pills. Or drinking loads of water. All things that should've been done before resorting to that. All you're doing is killing the weak organisms and allowing the resistant organisms to multiply and when there's enough present to create a UTI you will stop reacting to the antibiotic because the only organisms left are resistant. It's not your fault, but this shit drives me insane. People don't understand how real antibiotic resistance is and how were resorting to antibiotics with horrid side effects that used to only be a last resort. I would strongly encourage you to rethink how frequently you take that macrobid.

if you are prone to UTI's i do agree with @janda426... taking antibiotics when you do not have an infection, will only cause you to become resistant to such infectious organism. it also kills your healthy, good bacteria that fights off all bad bacterias that you body is introduced to on a daily basis. (ie being more susceptible to germs, virusis, colds, flu etc., which can do more harm than good.)

This exactly. Just because it's a medical intervention doesn't mean it's the smartest one.

The alternative is go in every 2 days for the UTI I will get if I don't take it. Benefits outweigh the risks in some instances. When I was having issues with this, if we had sex once a week, that means I would be on antibiotics long enough to have sex again then would have to start them again. I'd be on them constantly. How is that not building resistance? Oh. Didn't think of that, did you?

Um- because there is actually a bacteria for the antibiotic to fight vs a barren area where bacteria MIGHT develop? The risk of microbial resistance is a lot greater if using antibiotics in the presence of no bacteria. And yes, I've thought of this- if you would read what I wrote above I've dealt with UTI's myself for years and had to be put on antibiotics every time I had a diagnosed UTI. I didn't want to be on antibiotics that frequently. I'd also be put on DIFFERENT antibiotics because obviously something wasn't working right since the bacteria weren't responding to a certain antibiotic if it kept recurring.

I mean obviously we'll have to agree to disagree. I am very aware that this is used as a last resort when nothing else is working to prevent UTIs- but I'm also aware that antibiotics are the most overprescribed medicine and are handed out like candy so I HIGHLY doubt that for many of these people, all other options were tried before resorting to this.

ArmyWife0623 · December 2013

i suppose in certain situations like this, to some the benefits out weighs the risks. (as long as your dr. tells you of the pros and cons, and you decide what works best for you etc) as with any medical intervention, what is good for one individual, may not be the best for another.

janda426 · December 2013

zoeygirl1105 said:

I'm not going to even get in this argument. I'll deal with it with my doctor and I'm informed of the decisions I'm making.

Sounds good. But you can't blame me for speaking up when so many people walk in here spewing the laundry list of unmonitored meds they're taking.

ArmyWife0623 · December 2013

it all comes down to benefits outweighing risks. if you want to take antibiotics to prevent frequent UTI's then do it, but it does still lower you immune system that naturally defends you against any/every other bacteria/microorganism you come into contact with. and even down the road when you get sick, and giving the same antibiotic, its more than likely not going to do any good since you probably already became resistant to it.

*not trying to argue, just trying to help with the facts/known risks. Again, its all depends on what benefits/risks you choose, choose what best fits you.

Smallllmin · December 2013

GhostMonkey said:

janda426 said:

ArmyWife0623 said:

janda426 said:

@hooverj3 ya I take macrobid before or after. It was so bad I never wanted sex. I haven't had one since and it's been so much better!
You do realize that by using an antibiotic as a preventative when there are no bacteria to fight you're increasing your chances of microorganism resistance like crazy?? I cannot believe that a doctor would tell you to basically live on an antibiotic. That's what probiotics are for. Or cranberry pills. Or drinking loads of water. All things that should've been done before resorting to that. All you're doing is killing the weak organisms and allowing the resistant organisms to multiply and when there's enough present to create a UTI you will stop reacting to the antibiotic because the only organisms left are resistant. It's not your fault, but this shit drives me insane. People don't understand how real antibiotic resistance is and how were resorting to antibiotics with horrid side effects that used to only be a last resort. I would strongly encourage you to rethink how frequently you take that macrobid.

if you are prone to UTI's i do agree with @janda426... taking antibiotics when you do not have an infection, will only cause you to become resistant to such infectious organism. it also kills your healthy, good bacteria that fights off all bad bacterias that you body is introduced to on a daily basis. (ie being more susceptible to germs, virusis, colds, flu etc., which can do more harm than good.)

This exactly. Just because it's a medical intervention doesn't mean it's the smartest one.

The alternative is go in every 2 days for the UTI I will get if I don't take it. Benefits outweigh the risks in some instances. When I was having issues with this, if we had sex once a week, that means I would be on antibiotics long enough to have sex again then would have to start them again. I'd be on them constantly. How is that not building resistance? Oh. Didn't think of that, did you?

It's so hysterical when people try to give medical advice to others over the internet (while knowing nothing about their conditions/medical histories).

Anyway, I'm on team hooverj/Ghost Monkey... I used to take macrobid post-sex too.

janda426 · December 2013

GhostMonkey said:

ArmyWife0623 said:

it all comes down to benefits outweighing risks. if you want to take antibiotics to prevent frequent UTI's then do it, but it does still lower you immune system that naturally defends you against any/every other bacteria/microorganism you come into contact with. and even down the road when you get sick, and giving the same antibiotic, its more than likely not going to do any good since you probably already became resistant to it.

*not trying to argue, just trying to help with the facts/known risks. Again, its all depends on what benefits/risks you choose, choose what best fits you.

Well next time I'll just let it blow up to a bladder infection or be like janda and have issues with my bladder even when there is no infection because I can't be bothered to consider some preventive steps because some day I might get an infection and end up in the one hospital/doctor's office with no access to my medical history while I am unconscious and unable to tell them what I have used in the past.

Sounds like a solid plan.

GM- why would I take the preventative antibiotic with 6 UTIs a year when, as evidenced by Zoey, it's given to someone like her with many more UTIs? You aren't a medical professional; don't insinuate the reason for my bladder problem was because I didn't abuse antibiotics. I understand that you think you know everything, but- well, you don't.

And I did consider preventative steps- I drank more water, took cranberry pills and peed immediately after sex. In MY case, that was enough. It would be asinine for me to have immediately jumped on a prescription regiment that was obviously not necessary.

janda426 · December 2013

zoeygirl1105 said:

Ok I couldn't really respond earlier. Cranberry and tons of water was a joke in my situation. I guess I don't fall into majority where that works. EVERY single time I had sex I got a UTI. 6 in one year sounds glorious. I was miserable and my relationship was strained. I tried everything! I saw multiple doctors because I was sick of being on antibiotics week after week non stop. My only resort was not having sex. The last resort was to take macrobid. I'm glad you guys think my husband is getting it that much to build a resistance. Juuuust kidding. My situation is unique and it's a decision I made after talking to a lot of doctors. I'm not unmonitored and do my own research. Thank you all for your concerns but I will make my medical decisions with my doctors and not the bump. ETA: I'm curious Janda what you would do next? I can send you my medical chart since these doctors I'm seeing are full of crap.

I'm not sure why you're being so shitty towards me. I understand the severity of your condition led you to be put on the macrobid. However, it's been proven that the preventative antibiotic has a short term effect- as soon as you go off of it, the UTIs return. It is literally scientific fact that microbial resistance is real. You can't argue that with me- it's what some scientists life work is devoted to. I've attached a link from the CDC stating how it is one of the world's most pressing health threats. I found a study fox news posted an article about (not a study fox news did) specifically on this topic but I won't post it because I know how controversial news sites are. But the idea was that the antibiotics kept the UTIs away slightly better than probiotics, but 80-90% of the women showed resistance to the bacteria after a year.

With chronic UTIs typically they'll run the whole workup on you. Cystoscopy, CT scan, urine culture taken by a straight cath to rule out kidney stones, abnormal urinary tract, and more. I am not a urologist so I don't know all the specifics but this is what I do know. I don't know what I'd do in your situation but I do know that there are very few illnesses that doctors will prescribe antibiotics for the duration of your life.

Honestly after researching this topic a bit more the argument we're having here is pretty much representative of both sides of the issue. Some doctors arguing this is the only treatment for recurring UTIs while others arguing my point of antibiotic resistance. So I really doubt we'll come to a conclusion in this thread. I've gone way more into detail than I intended on this topic- honestly I just hope whatever you have to do to keep the UTIs at bay keeps you healthy and you don't have to keep dealing with those shitty infections. Good luck to you

https://www.cdc.gov/getsmart/healthcare/learn-from-others/factsheets/antibiotics.html

janda426 · December 2013

GhostMonkey said:

So you know this is used and is a last resort, and yet you are going to act like it's a first line of defense?

Thanks for reminding me why I eyeroll your responses most of the time.

Lol, oh riiiight back at ya.

I'm not even going to address your first statement. I'm pretty sure you're acting that thick on purpose. That is literally not even what I'm saying, whatsoever.

ArmyWife0623 · December 2013

zoeygirl1105 said:

At this point this thread is just lacking in gifs. Let's just hug it out janda...
Drinking and bumping is no fun when you guys are sleeping btw.

just posted this on W2O... can i get an awwww.... lol

janda426 · December 2013

zoeygirl1105 said:
At this point this thread is just lacking in gifs. Let's just hug it out janda...
Drinking and bumping is no fun when you guys are sleeping btw.

GIFSoup

It's all good lady! I go nurse mode too hard sometimes. Mobile bumping so no gifs- I suck.

ngolimento · December 2013

I have to put in my two cents here, because I used to get chronic UTIs when I was younger.

Back when I was afflicted with this, I tried all the alternatives. Handwash before bathroom, mega-dose on vitamin C until my pores oozed the smell of oranges, etc.

None worked, and every month, I was in tears every time I tried to urinate. In.Tears. It feels like passing magma. If I was super lucky, I also had the joy of pissing blood.

For a while, the only thing that made it go away (and life worth living) was constant antibiotic therapy. And I don't believe for a moment that any other human would turn up their nose at the same therapy if they experienced this. You'd be begging your doc, and flicking off anyone who judged you for not enduring pissing razorblades on the daily.

Also, if someone somehow where some super human who resisted all pain, they'd earn themselves bladder scarring, and eventual failure. Bonus points if it travels to their kidneys and destroy those too.

ETA: *hugs* to Zoeygirl for eduring this condition. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

janda426 · December 2013

GhostMonkey said:

janda426 said:

GhostMonkey said:

ArmyWife0623 said:

it all comes down to benefits outweighing risks. if you want to take antibiotics to prevent frequent UTI's then do it, but it does still lower you immune system that naturally defends you against any/every other bacteria/microorganism you come into contact with. and even down the road when you get sick, and giving the same antibiotic, its more than likely not going to do any good since you probably already became resistant to it.

*not trying to argue, just trying to help with the facts/known risks. Again, its all depends on what benefits/risks you choose, choose what best fits you.

Well next time I'll just let it blow up to a bladder infection or be like janda and have issues with my bladder even when there is no infection because I can't be bothered to consider some preventive steps because some day I might get an infection and end up in the one hospital/doctor's office with no access to my medical history while I am unconscious and unable to tell them what I have used in the past.

Sounds like a solid plan.

GM- why would I take the preventative antibiotic with 6 UTIs a year when, as evidenced by Zoey, it's given to someone like her with many more UTIs? You aren't a medical professional; don't insinuate the reason for my bladder problem was because I didn't abuse antibiotics. I understand that you think you know everything, but- well, you don't.

And I did consider preventative steps- I drank more water, took cranberry pills and peed immediately after sex. In MY case, that was enough. It would be asinine for me to have immediately jumped on a prescription regiment that was obviously not necessary.

No one is talking about you, you self centered dolt. You told her not to take and are acting like it's the most idiotic thing ever. Some people have issues beyond what you have, but you have
your head so far up your ass you can't realize that.

----------end quote----------

"Or be like janda and have issues with my bladder even when there's no infection because I can't be bothered to consider some preventative steps" that was YOU, calling me by NAME, on the condition I came down with because according to you I didn't take preventative steps. I appreciate the name calling though, as typical for you to revert to because someone provided a valid scientific argument but your ego needs an entire board of its own and you can't fucking admit that you don't know HALF as much as you think you do.

Keep slicing my arguments and piecing them together to be what fits your seriously delusional frame of mind.

And head up my ass? Pot, meet kettle.

I'm done here. You're too dense to understand that someone discussing side effects of a medication doesn't require name calling and insults.

janda426 · December 2013

NellyBluth said:
I think @janda426 and @GhostMonkey are TTGP anti-soulmates.

New awards category??

RunBooRun · December 2013

packerfan4life said:
There's no such thing as a TMI question on the bump.

Propping your legs up does not change the odds of getting pregnant. However, if you're prone to UTIs, not going to the bathroom after sex does certainly increase your risk for one of those. I generally get up right away to go to the bathroom. Although I have, on more than one occasion, fallen asleep afterward without going to the bathroom. I've never gotten pregnant either way (and luckily never gotten a UTI either).

Don't say that. There have been posters in the past who post pics of their CM.

CDumpster84 · December 2013

I prop for about 10 minutes after sex before getting up and going to the bathroom. It does absolutely nothing but it helps me feel proactive. Ten mins is about as long as I can handle waiting... it's definitely not an enjoyable squishy feeling (see username)

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