No U/S today or at 8 week appt?! So much for telling our families at Christmas

Mjl0405 · December 2013

So annoyed. I had my initial OB visit today, and one also scheduled for 8 weeks on 12/23. I thought for sure that when the appt was made for 12/23 they stated I would have an U/S. Apparently not.

Now I'm definitely not comfortable telling our families at Christmas.

So so bummed.

jbrigman1 · December 2013

My dr's office doesnt do ultrasounds unless there is an issue or concern until the mid pregnancy one at like 15-20 weeks. While I am thankful I dont 'need' an early ultrasound it is nice to know the baby is growing and healthy and see that heartbeat. I found a third party place where I live that does like the 3D-4D ultrasounds and they also do heartbeat ultrasounds after 5 weeks. So I scheduled one for 12/20 when I will be a little over 9 weeks so we can give the grandparents a picture of the ultrasound for Christmas and announce it. Might see if you have something like that near you.

Mjl0405 · December 2013

Great idea! Thanks! I'll see if there are any in my area.

I had 3 in the first tri with DS and am considered high risk due to hypertension. I was just surprised. And it wouldn't be a big deal if it weren't the holidays and wanting to tell family while they are together.

rainydayluck · December 2013

Um, totally normal. My office doesn't do any until the anatomy scan unless you elect for additional testing.
ETA: just so I am understanding you, you normally wouldn't care, but because it is around the holidays you think you deserve one?

spacepotatoes · December 2013

rainydayluck said:

Um, totally normal. My office doesn't do any until the anatomy scan unless you elect for additional testing. ETA: just so I am understanding you, you normally wouldn't care, but because it is around the holidays you think you deserve one?

I'm not sure where you're getting the entitlement from here? The OP is saying that she'd be more comfortable announcing to her family if she had seen the baby on an ultrasound and could have that confidence that all is well. I don't think there's anything unusual in wanting that reassurance. She doesn't come across to me like the usual "OMG, no early ultrasound?! Is this normal?! Whyyyy?!" type of posters.

icelandsurf · December 2013

She was just venting. When you go in expecting to see an u/s and yiu dont it is disappointing - msmuq laurel charles and missbrigman-
You are all mean. Let her vent. There was nothing that was entitlement or that she deserved -

For Gods sake- its what this site is for and frankly your comments were mean and uncalled for- relax and be nice.

And the fact that you actually spent the time typing out a mean comment is sad.

Why not be nice or keep it to yourself. We are all a little nuts right now.

Erica314 · December 2013

Totally normal! I will only have 1 u/s at 20 weeks unless some complications pop up later on. I have gotten to hear the heartbeat twice now though with the doppler at 10 weeks and 14 weeks - hopefully once you pass 9 weeks you can hear it that way!

ILoveBoys · December 2013

OP- a lot of doctors offices will not even do the first appt until 8-10 weeks. With that said, I announced all 3 of mine around 8 weeks (before an U/S).

Mjl0405 · December 2013

Wow. Definitely not feeling "entitled" to an u/s...not sure why that has been assumed.

DH's cousin announced their 2nd pregnancy at just over 7 weeks. At a family gathering, she had her DS casually wear a "big brother" t-shirt until everyone caught on. However, they did an u/s at her 8 week appt and found she had a missed m/c.

Also, I will add that I had two back to back chemicals in August & September of this year...

That is why I am hesitant to say anything without seeing LOs heartbeat. And it would have been nice to announce to families at Christmas - otherwise it wouldn't have been a big deal.

Regardless, I did find a place that does heartbeat u/s in our area by certified ultrasound techs for $49. I have made a tentative appt, and will talk it over with DH. Thanks for the suggestion @jbrigman1!

afk2013 · December 2013

Glad you found a place! The reassurance is priceless.

Mjl0405 · December 2013

spacepotatoes said:

rainydayluck said:

Um, totally normal. My office doesn't do any until the anatomy scan unless you elect for additional testing. ETA: just so I am understanding you, you normally wouldn't care, but because it is around the holidays you think you deserve one?

I'm not sure where you're getting the entitlement from here? The OP is saying that she'd be more comfortable announcing to her family if she had seen the baby on an ultrasound and could have that confidence that all is well. I don't think there's anything unusual in wanting that reassurance. She doesn't come across to me like the usual "OMG, no early ultrasound?! Is this normal?! Whyyyy?!" type of posters.

Pretty much!

cakergirl · December 2013

Mjl0405 said:

Wow. Definitely not feeling "entitled" to an u/s...not sure why that has been assumed.

DH's cousin announced their 2nd pregnancy at just over 7 weeks. At a family gathering, she had her DS casually wear a "big brother" t-shirt until everyone caught on. However, they did an u/s at her 8 week appt and found she had a missed m/c.

Also, I will add that I had two back to back chemicals in August & September of this year...

That is why I am hesitant to say anything without seeing LOs heartbeat. And it would have been nice to announce to families at Christmas - otherwise it wouldn't have been a big deal.

Regardless, I did find a place that does heartbeat u/s in our area by certified ultrasound techs for $49. I have made a tentative appt, and will talk it over with DH. Thanks for the suggestion @jbrigman1!

I'm not surprised they didn't do an ultrasound. But I am surprised they didn't at least attempt a Doppler. Granted 8weeks is pretty early for it to work. Honestly if you are that worried about announcing without hearing the heartbeat, I would just not worry about announcing until later. S htel e chance of miscarriage goes down, It sucks but so does having an early ultrasound that is medically unnecessary and falsely reassuring because such early ultrasounds mean so little, having it be normal, announcing, then losing the baby and having to unannounce. Granted if you have a supportive family you may feel comfortable doing this. But if not, I would definitely hold off on announcing rather than using a non-medical service to do it. But I am just overly paranoid that given their lack of credentials, experience, and medical training they wouldn't be able to recognize an actual problem and I would get a false sense of security. Again though I am super paranoid. Good luck!

24karat · December 2013

eywj I think OP was referring to two separate appointments. Her ticker and other posts state that she's only 5 and a half weeks along, which is way too early for Doppler.

Mjl0405 · December 2013

@ghostmonkey

They have a hearbeat viewing ultrasound session specifically for 7-9 weeks. They are certified ultrasound technicians who opened an elective ultrasound firm. In order for me to have the appointment, I needed to show confirmation that I have had my first OB appt to prove that I am being followed by appropriate medical provider, and am not substituting this ultrasound for appointments with my OB.

So, please escort yourself out of my thread. Thanks!

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Mjl0405 · December 2013

@bliss+berry

"So someone lied her ass off to get an appointment at a non-medical ultrasound boutique.

As soon as they see how small the fetus is, they will escort her out and refer her back to her doctor."

I am okay with responses and opinions on my posts. I am not ok with being called a liar. Who would be dumb enough to lie about how far along they are in their pregnancy to get an ultrasound?

Twatwaffle? I'm sorry, how old are you?

Mjl0405 · December 2013

How is it legal for women to purchase and use dopplers at home? Same concept...

These are certified ultrasound technicians. You don't need a prescription to get an ultrasound.

Mjl0405 · December 2013

This is where we went with DS - completely safe.

https://www.storkvision.com/

Mjl0405 · December 2013

Well, then it looks like there are thousands of businesses operating illegally across the U.S. Funny they haven't been forced to close for their illegal activities.

If you'd like to site your source or case study to back your statement, please do and I'll confirm.

Erica314 · December 2013

RedheadBaker said:

https://www.parentingweekly.com/pregnancy/fetal-development/fetal-doppler-rental.htm

"Maybe you're interested in renting or buying a fetal doppler or you know someone who has. If so, you may be unaware that FDA regulation requires you to acquire physician approval in the form of a prescription to legally rent or purchase a fetal doppler."

Wow! I actually had no idea about this. Not that I'd worry about the feds coming to knock down my door for it, just crazy that it actually is illegal when they are so simply acquired.

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Mjl0405 · December 2013

GhostMonkey said:

Mjl0405 said:

This is where we went with DS - completely safe.

https://www.storkvision.com/

And the earliest they state is 16 weeks.

So tell me again that you didn't lie your ass off to get an appointment.

If you had read my entire post, I stated this is where we went with DS. I did not say this is the place we are going currently. I am still looking into the options.

Opinions I am ok with, stupidity I am not.

Mjl0405 · December 2013

GhostMonkey said:

Mjl0405 said:

How is it legal for women to purchase and use dopplers at home? Same concept...

These are certified ultrasound technicians. You don't need a prescription to get an ultrasound.

Yes, you do need a doctor's order for an ultrasound looking at medical issues. What they are doing is illegal. They can let you look, but confirming a pregnancy is not only illegal, but fucking stupid on their part. Boutiques don't carry the level of liability coverage to carry out medical care, and that is precisely what they are going to do to you.

Again - they are not CONFIRMING pregnancy. It is just to look. You must have skipped over the section where I wrote you must have proof of a first OB Appt with confirmed pregnancy before they will allow you to make an appt.

And use some common sense. If it were illegal, these places would not exist.

No patience for stupidity today.

Mjl0405 · December 2013

....since you all know so so much, I'm still waiting for your sources.

Mjl0405 · December 2013

It is legal, depending on what state you reside in. Connecticut, for example, has signed a law against them. I believe at this time that is the only state.

Ultrasounds done in an elective setting, are not for medical purposes. They are for personal use only. Disclosures are given to the patients when they arrive and need to be signed. A copy is sent to your OB.

They do not see patients who are attempting to substitute an elective ultrasound for a medical diagnostic ultrasound. This is why you need proof of a first OB appt, a positive pregnancy test, and proof of a future appt.

This IS in fact legal in 49 states. Maybe you reside in Connecticut? Again, if it were not legal, you would not be able to open and operate a business of this manner.

In the end, it is a personal decision, it is legal, and I did not lie to get an appointment.

Hope you ladies have a great Friday.

Mjl0405 · December 2013

Excuse the typo, it has now been corrected.

acciovino · December 2013

I wouldn't do it because what it, heaven-forbid, something was wrong? Are they allowed to tell you? They can't give you options like your Dr. can. So then you'd have to call your Dr. and tell them that you got a 3rd party US and there was something wrong. I think my Dr. would be mad that I couldn't wait for them to confirm the pregnancy and HB. I'm not trying to scare you, but unfortunately things do happen. JMHO

Emilyfae · December 2013

Just want to give props to OP for sticking up for herself and demanding sources. A parenting magazine is a worse source than Wikipedia, by the way. All I see is bullying on here and it pisses me off. I don't have an opinion on this issue, but for godsake stop acting like children in a gang at recess. It's frankly unbearable.

Mjl0405 · December 2013

Emilyfae said:

Just want to give props to OP for sticking up for herself and demanding sources. A parenting magazine is a worse source than Wikipedia, by the way. All I see is bullying on here and it pisses me off. I don't have an opinion on this issue, but for godsake stop acting like children in a gang at recess. It's frankly unbearable.

Thank you!

Emilyfae · December 2013

For everyone's information, if you're an expert or have substantial knowledge on a subject, it's a lot better to say it nicely and be taken seriously than the say it harshly and be completely discredited.

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SGC29 · December 2013

Early ultrasounds provided by anyone other than my OB would skeeve me out. Later into the pregnancy I see how an elective ultrasound could be fun but early on? That sounds way too sketchy. Like PP's said, what if something is wrong? I wouldn't want anyone but a medical professional breaking that news to me. Or worse being told everything looks great only to find out later that it doesn't. Unnecessary stress.

Emilyfae · December 2013

Wow. I was hoping I could be a part of this community of supportive mothers to be, but it looks like I'm out of patience. Have fun bullying each other. Hang in there OP, and message me of you need some real support. I'm not coming back here. Peace.

Mjl0405 · December 2013

Emilyfae said:

For everyone's information, if you're an expert or have substantial knowledge on a subject, it's a lot better to say it nicely and be taken seriously than the say it harshly and be completely discredited.

Exactly. Multiple times I asked for sources as to why posters believed it was illegal. Not once did anyone give any sort of references. I'm all for intelligent debating & conversation. If you're going to make a bold statement, I expect a valid reason to be given. And, common sense would tell you that if it truly were illegal, I'm pretty sure there would not be multiple businesses operating in the field.

The only legitimate comment anyone has made, has been the poster who brought up the point of what if something is wrong? What if I don't see a heartbeat? It's a good point, and a risk I'd have to be willing to take. Regardless of where the ultrasound is, elective or medical based, if there is no hearbeat at 8 weeks, there isn't anything that can be done.

And I'm not sure why one of the previous posters started laying into me about elective c-sections? These posts get out of control.

SGC29 · December 2013

Emilyfae said:
Wow. I was hoping I could be a part of this community of supportive mothers to be, but it looks like I'm out of patience. Have fun bullying each other. Hang in there OP, and message me of you need some real support. I'm not coming back here. Peace.

It is just the internet. Don't take it so hard. Sometimes people disagree.

cyndelgrace · December 2013

You are not putting the health and wellness of your baby over your medically unneccesary desires.

I think twatwaffle is appropriate in this case.

Meery82 · December 2013

Emilyfae said:

Wow. I was hoping I could be a part of this community of supportive mothers to be, but it looks like I'm out of patience. Have fun bullying each other. Hang in there OP, and message me of you need some real support. I'm not coming back here. Peace.

LOL. You obviously don't know what bullying is. You're right. This isn't the place for you. Bye now.

Mjl0405 · December 2013

RedheadBaker said:

www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jul03/071803/02p-0338-pdn0001-01-vol1.pdf This is a letter written by the FDA denying a petition to allow dopplers to be sold OTC for home use and makes reference to specific statutes that prohibit it. Happy?

This would be great if this thread was in regards to me considering purchasing a fetal doppler. However, I was not.

Mjl0405 · December 2013

cyndelgrace said:

You are not putting the health and wellness of your baby over your medically unneccesary desires.

I think twatwaffle is appropriate in this case.

How is an ultrasound completed by a board certified ultrasound technician putting the health of my baby at risk?

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Mjl0405 · December 2013

You can get them for personal use from multiple vendors, provided you have established prenatal care in place. The companies providing the rentals and sales do abide by FDA regulations on which devices are available.

So yes, these are not available "OTC" as your article states. OTC meaning you can walk into any drug store and purchase without a prescription. However, with proof of current prenatal care, you can rent/buy.

This is the exact same thing as elective ultrasounds...although since you know so much about legalities of medical devices, I'm sure you will find some way to disregard my statement.

Maybe before you open your mouth, you should consider the possibilty of what area of practice the person you are insulting is in...

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