"Train up" - completely disgusting

Michelle N · November 2013

Warning: This article is about a book that advocates child abuse as 'training'. Parents following the techniques are in jail for murder. Nothing is happening to the authors of the book. This isn't even the first time a child's death has resulted from following the techniques.

I checked out the website (nogreaterjoy). I don't recommend it to anyone.. I am in tears.

How is this legal? They are worth $1.7 million.

https://www.examiner.com/article/another-couple-found-guilty-of-murder-for-parenting-by-to-train-up-a-child

PB102012 · November 2013

That's absolutely disgusting.

MissyCee · November 2013

How horrific. I will never be able to understand how anyone could be so cruel to a child. The authors of the book deserve to be left out in the cold, starved, and beaten!

FeetFirst · November 2013

Ugh these latest killers live near me. So have been following this case on the local news. Just disgusting!

janneann1127 · November 2013

What the... ??? How is that legal? Disgusting.

Leosmom13 · November 2013

I have a lump in my throat. I couldn't even read the full article! It is so tragic that some babies and children are subjected to this level of cruelty and abuse!

[Deleted User] · November 2013

I am not even going to read it.

EmR22 · November 2013

How is it that in the US we ban/challenge books left and right but this book we are totally ok for this to be available to people at Amazon.

This makes me sick....I am very much a "to each their own" with parenting decisions but to follow a book that tells you how to beat your children in a matter that will not attract attention from authorities is sick.

How many kids have to die before something happens. Child abuse is everywhere, we don't need a manual for it.

PB102012 · November 2013

janneann1127 said:
What the... ??? How is that legal? Disgusting.

The problem is that writing the book is not illegal, the act is. Still absolutely horrific that people even THINK this way, and even more insane that people believe and follow what's in that garbage book.

karabear11 · November 2013

That is disgusting. I am so sad for the children whose parents think this is right.

MommyKristin88 · November 2013

Why would anyone read that book and take it as good/usable advice? That's ridiculous!!

Marvel1013 · November 2013

That's horrible, sooo sickening. That poor child

Michelle N · November 2013

EmR22 said:

How is it that in the US we ban/challenge books left and right but this book we are totally ok for this to be available to people at Amazon.

This makes me sick....I am very much a "to each their own" with parenting decisions but to follow a book that tells you how to beat your children in a matter that will not attract attention from authorities is sick.

How many kids have to die before something happens. Child abuse is everywhere, we don't need a manual for it.

All of this! I was just talking to my mom about how some books are 'banned'. Society is so backwards. There is a petition in the article to stop Amazon from selling the book. I am obsessing over this today.. it makes me so sick.

LilMissScareAll · November 2013

Wow. There is something severely wrong with the people that wrote that book.

I went to their website. They talk about hitting a 6m old for knocking his cereal over, or rather before he even has the chance to knock it over. Like the 6m old is trying to manipulate the parents and purposely defy them with that act. Seriously?!?!

It doesn't seem to be about training them but about crushing the LOs into submission. I wouldn't use these methods on a dog, let alone a child!

Michelle N · November 2013

christy32685 said:

What the... ??? How is that legal? Disgusting.
The problem is that writing the book is not illegal, the act is. Still absolutely horrific that people even THINK this way, and even more insane that people believe and follow what's in that garbage book.

@christy32685

I know little to nothing about the legal system, but why is it not illegal? I read up about freedom of speech, and freedom of speech is NOT absolute. Couldn't this be challenged as a hate crime? The suggested treatment is basically the same as the Nazi's treated the Jews?

Ffrey1119 · November 2013

Ya this is shit! I can't image feeling scared all the time. And thinking when will the next time you will get beat, will you even know what you did wrong was wrong! I Just wish everyone loved for there children, child abuse isn't love

LokiLahve · November 2013

kkramer1211 said:
I am not even going to read it.

Yeah same here. I just can't stomach sad stuff about babies anymore.

BlueJewelM · November 2013

It's hard to believe such dumb people exist.

PB102012 · November 2013

@Michelle N I could be completely wrong, but the way I interpret it is that even though the ideas and garbage they teach is horrendous, they aren't making threats at anyone in particular. If they did, that would be a crime. People taking the advice and abusing children based on the book is a crime. I am hoping Amazon comes through and removes the book from the marketplace so if their crap isn't illegal, we can try and limit the distribution or availability.

zora51 · November 2013

I almost started crying reading this, and got a big pit in my stomach.. And to recommend this book to anybody?? Just disgusting! I feel so sad for the kiddos that have parents that believe that trash.

LiylaRae · November 2013

This is so discusting. Some people should never be allowed to have kids. I've also been seeing the most recent one on the news. This is so so sad tic think people are out there abusing children

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youtubebeauties · November 2013

I can't bring myself to open this link. Now that I'm a mommy, anything dealing with babies/children & abuse/corporal punishment just makes my stomach turn.

Revez · November 2013

I feel like vomiting.

CaliforniaDream87 · November 2013

I'm too scared to read after looking through al the responses here. I'll just take your word for it....

LJUTCMommy · November 2013

Too tragic; didn't read.

TurtleMomma · November 2013

I just can't. Reading about CIO alone gives me assloads of anxiety, let alone this. Not worth it.

ashleyamberRN · November 2013

So so sad. The sad thing is this abuse "works". If not dead, these children will probably become a shell of a person who is trained to shut off emotions... I feel like this is training someone to become a sociopath.