Which way to face car seat?

ebp913 · October 2013

LalaMama81 said:

khagan9368 said:

What cracks me up are the people that liken a FF toddler to a baby riding in the front seat of a monster truck!

Says the woman who put her 16 month old in a booster seat.

Seriously.

designerchai2230 · October 2013

christel811 said:

designerchai2230 said:

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I was excited to see so many responses, until I realized people were just debating on my post. I understand we all have our difference of opinions, we don't all make the same decisions and don't always agree with every one else. But really? I think we can state our opinions and move on instead of constantly being at each other's throats for their opinion. You don't have to agree. You don't have to judge. A little kindness goes a long way.
That's cute! lol

Yup, right?

sunnyday016 · October 2013

LalaMama81 said:

khagan9368 said:

What cracks me up are the people that liken a FF toddler to a baby riding in the front seat of a monster truck!

Says the woman who put her 16 month old in a booster seat.

Whoa whoa whoa WHAT?!

Meery82 · October 2013

LalaMama81 said:

khagan9368 said:

What cracks me up are the people that liken a FF toddler to a baby riding in the front seat of a monster truck!

Says the woman who put her 16 month old in a booster seat.

That wasn't her. It was a different poster. Michelle something.

Meery82 · October 2013

michelle04us said:

I have a ?. What happens if you have a child under the age of 2 who figures out how to unbuckle the 5 point harness and climbs out of his/her seat? Having them RF could in fact help this because unless you have a HUGE mirror to be watching them you usually only see from about the neck up(maybe shoulders). This means everytime they are in the car they could be figuring out how to unbuckle and once they learn believe me they won't forget.

My oldest(now 7) was turned FF at a year for 2 reasons. 1 because I had a 2 door car and it was very difficult to get him in and out in a RF carseat. 2. because even at a year old he had figured out how to unbuckle the harness. I don't know how many different things we tried to keep him from unbuckling but none of them worked. We turned him FF in hopes to distract him from doing it but only a couple car trips in and he was back at it. This is where I will get flamed I already know. By the age of 15-16 months I put him into a booster seat with a seatbelt because it was the only way to keep him buckled in and in his seat. Since he couldn't reach the buckle he couldn't undo it and I had the belt just tight enough he couldn't figure out a way to squirm out of it but not too tight where he would get hurt if in an accident. He was a larger LO. At that age he was already past the 30lb mark. Granted at 7 he is still only 45lbs so he barely grew in 5 years and if I went by recommendations he would probably be in a booster seat till he learned to drive.

That being said, like PP said, if parents choose(or need) to FF after 1 year and 20lbs they should not be judged. My 2 younger LOs have and will be FF at the law age and weight. I feel safer being able to see if they are trying to unbuckle and getting out of their seat then the small risk of being seriously injured if we were in an accident. Is that stupid? Some people might say that but I'm going to do what I feel is right for my family.

This

henrytviii · October 2013

All the back and forth is great but I think you need to stop and think about what is best for your family and your child. Yes, rear facing is safer and for most of us that is what is best for our kids. But if you have to drive your kid several times a day to daycare/work/errands and they scream and scream in their car seat, perhaps you need to weigh the pros and cons. I don't think its a "black and white" issue and I think its ridiculous to say it is. Maybe it is for a kid that doesn't mind rear facing but for a small number of kids you might have to weigh the real physiological effect of screaming for hours on end and having that real need for comfort ignored. How can that be good for very young child? So yes rear facing in all but the most extreme situations but please stop judging mom's who make a different choice to protect the physiological health of their children.

I do rear face my child and will continue to do so as long as we can, hopefully until 3 or 4. But I have made other choices that these boards would flame me for. I slept my child on his back on a hard organic mattress with no blankets for 4 months. In spite of swaddling, rocking, near constant BFing and my another attempts to calm him he screamed for hours on end. We all ended up piled in bed together exhausted which is clearly unsafe and I got 2-3 hours of sleep a night max. My husband intervened, put him on his stomach and gave him a small knit blanket at 4 months. He was instantly a better sleeper and went from 15 minute stretches to 2 hours stretches. He also gained weight and became a much healthier happier baby and my husband and I were able to salvage our suffering relationship. We took a risk but it was best for our family and our son. I see the car seat issue in a very similar light.

Furthermore according to the WHO," The use of child restraints can reduce infant death in care crashes by 71% and toddler deaths by 54%" That's not a 100% reduction so we follow LalaMama81's logic not only should we say no to football but we should say no to all car travel.

Meery82 · October 2013

No to football? Why?

henrytviii · October 2013

Meery82 said:

No to football? Why?

Just responding to previous poster than said she wouldn't let her kids play football either . . . in other words we should avoid everything that could possibly be dangerous to our kids if we follow that logic. Clearly this thread is way to long!

And I meant psychological not physiological . . . I clearly can't spell well enough to even get spell check on my side.

Meery82 · October 2013

LalaMama81 said:

Yes, driving is dangerous. Hence my need to make it as safe as possible, ERF is one of those ways. Football is also dangerous but easily avoidable. I'm not worried so much about broken bones, but concussions. Driving is generally unavoidable unless you live in a super walkable area. Football and driving aren't even slightly comparable in any way. We take many risks each day, I don't see why mitigating them is a bad thing. You don't see it as black and white, I do. There are very rare situations that I think ff before 2+ is acceptable. I don't care if you agree with me or not.

Just curious here. What if your kid decides they want to play high school football someday? Will you say no then? Or is it just about little kids?

michelle04us · October 2013

Duct tape the buckle? Really? So on the off chance my POS car stopped running on RR tracks with a train coming I would have to struggle with trying to get the buckle off because of the duct tape and possibly not get him out in time. Yes this doesn't happen very often but neither does a child being killed because he was ff instead of rf. Most children die because they aren't in any kind of safety seat or buckled in or not buckled into the safety seat properly. And sometimes its just because something happened during the crash(like something stabbing them or crashing into their skull).

Also I couldn't afford to just go buy a new car seat. I was going hungry just to make sure he got diapers and food. Some people aren't well enough off that they can just go buy a new car seat everytime their child figures out how to unbuckle. Being in a high backed booster seat with a seatbelt is better than not being in any safety seat at all. Which was the case everytime he unbuckled and started climbing around my car. I tried everything I could think of to keep him from unbuckling the 5 point harness before I put him into the booster seat. I asked other people for ideas, looked up ideas on the inernet. NOTHING WORKED!

michelle04us · October 2013

LalaMama81 said:

Yes, driving is dangerous. Hence my need to make it as safe as possible, ERF is one of those ways. Football is also dangerous but easily avoidable. I'm not worried so much about broken bones, but concussions. Driving is generally unavoidable unless you live in a super walkable area. Football and driving aren't even slightly comparable in any way. We take many risks each day, I don't see why mitigating them is a bad thing. You don't see it as black and white, I do. There are very rare situations that I think ff before 2+ is acceptable. I don't care if you agree with me or not.

So may I ask what these very rare situations are that are acceptable?

DawnLilly · October 2013

michelle04us said:

LalaMama81 said:

Yes, driving is dangerous. Hence my need to make it as safe as possible, ERF is one of those ways. Football is also dangerous but easily avoidable. I'm not worried so much about broken bones, but concussions. Driving is generally unavoidable unless you live in a super walkable area. Football and driving aren't even slightly comparable in any way. We take many risks each day, I don't see why mitigating them is a bad thing. You don't see it as black and white, I do. There are very rare situations that I think ff before 2+ is acceptable. I don't care if you agree with me or not.

So may I ask what these very rare situations are that are acceptable?

Probably the woman who had the little girl that got severely car sick RF and would projectile vomit even on a short car trip. This woman had to decide whether or not it was better to drug her daughter every time they went out with anti-nausea meds or FF her. And myself, who drives a truck and a convertable car seat will only fit RF in my front passenger seat. But that's out because my airbag does not turn off. DS is in the middle back FF. If he could be RF he would be.
ETA: I know this because this same damn thread comes up every two months atleast.

ASmallWonder · October 2013

michelle04us said:

Duct tape the buckle? Really? So on the off chance my POS car stopped running on RR tracks with a train coming I would have to struggle with trying to get the buckle off because of the duct tape and possibly not get him out in time. Yes this doesn't happen very often but neither does a child being killed because he was ff instead of rf. Most children die because they aren't in any kind of safety seat or buckled in or not buckled into the safety seat properly. And sometimes its just because something happened during the crash(like something stabbing them or crashing into their skull).

Also I couldn't afford to just go buy a new car seat. I was going hungry just to make sure he got diapers and food. Some people aren't well enough off that they can just go buy a new car seat everytime their child figures out how to unbuckle. Being in a high backed booster seat with a seatbelt is better than not being in any safety seat at all. Which was the case everytime he unbuckled and started climbing around my car. I tried everything I could think of to keep him from unbuckling the 5 point harness before I put him into the booster seat. I asked other people for ideas, looked up ideas on the inernet. NOTHING WORKED!

I feel for you but a button up shirt put on backwards and buttoned behind him would have stopped that. There ARE ways and it also comes down to a discipline situation. In any situation where your kid is doing something dangerous, you have to make them stop. Believe me that I know what a giant PITA that is but again, it's a matter of people thinking car seat safety is somehow optional. If your kid kept trying to touch a hot stove top it's not like you could stop using it. You'd have no choice but to figure out a way to make them stop.

CurlyQ284 · October 2013

Lurking here but I've always wondered this and since you guys are already talking RF/FF this seems a good time to ask.

People said FF can cause internal decapitation, is that only if you hit someone with your car? Are the effects the same if you're rear ended or T-boned by another car? I always think about getting hit different ways, specifically I am terrified of being rear ended while DS is RF. Not that I would switch him early, just wondering.

michelle04us · October 2013

Ok and what would have happened if I had duct taped the buckle with him being RF and I was in a car accident and there was a gas leak? That happens quite a bit. Doesn't always make the car catch fire but with a gas leak you never know. With a gas leak you want to move as fast as possible without creating a spark.

And @elmoali explain to me about the button up shirt idea? The way I'm trying to picture it if you put the shirt on over the straps you wouldn't be able to button it behind them. But if you put the shirt on backwards under the straps it wouldn't help any because he would still be able to get to the buckle.

So you're saying that having him out of a safety seat and climbing around is safer than being in a hbb with a seatbelt? That is what I was saying it was safer than.

ASmallWonder · October 2013

@michelle04us You loosen the straps but have them over their shoulders, put the shirt on backwards and reach behind them to button it. You only have to button one since they can't reach any of them. Then you reach up under the shirt to adjust the straps and clip the chest buckle. I don't remember which person said to duct tape the buckle but for clarity, you should never tape or secure the chest clip in any way. It is meant to come apart in a crash.

laurenluor · October 2013

I will rear face until the weight limit is reached. Cramped legs or possibly losing your child? Easy decision for me. Just watch some of the crash test videos.

sunnyday016 · October 2013

michelle04us said:

Ok and what would have happened if I had duct taped the buckle with him being RF and I was in a car accident and there was a gas leak? That happens quite a bit. Doesn't always make the car catch fire but with a gas leak you never know. With a gas leak you want to move as fast as possible without creating a spark.

And @elmoali explain to me about the button up shirt idea? The way I'm trying to picture it if you put the shirt on over the straps you wouldn't be able to button it behind them. But if you put the shirt on backwards under the straps it wouldn't help any because he would still be able to get to the buckle.

So you're saying that having him out of a safety seat and climbing around is safer than being in a hbb with a seatbelt? That is what I was saying it was safer than.

As far as statistics, you are FAR more likely to get into an accident than you are to be involved in a car fire. Car fires happen, sure. But accidents happen more. It's all about mitigating risks, and the bigger risk is being in an accident. So, in that case, nothing beats RF in terms of safety.

To the person who asked about RF while being rear ended- while being rear ended the body will move toward the point of impact- so the back of the car. In that instance, FF MAY offer a slight bit more protection. However, rear ends make up only a small portion of all accidents, and most of them are minor. Again, mitigating risks. The most serious and most common accidents are side impact or head on, and in both of those cases RF provides far and away the most protection.

MrsMyers62312 · October 2013

When rear facing the shell of the car seat will cradle the child and move with the child, taking the brunt of the force. When ff the childs body takes the brunt of the force as they are flung forward and against the harness.

henrytviii · October 2013

CurlyQ284 said:

Lurking here but I've always wondered this and since you guys are already talking RF/FF this seems a good time to ask. People said FF can cause internal decapitation, is that only if you hit someone with your car? Are the effects the same if you're rear ended or T-boned by another car? I always think about getting hit different ways, specifically I am terrified of being rear ended while DS is RF. Not that I would switch him early, just wondering.

I was wondering the exact same thing so I looked it up while reading this thread. Sorry, don't remember the source but 90% or more of serious car accidents are being hit head on or from the side in which RFing is also safer (don't remember why). Of the small percentage of accidents that are rear ending accidents, if you are the car hit from behind the accident typically isn't severe enough to worry about internal decapitation. And if it is a high impact rear-ending you would hit the car in front of you with a head on impact making RF still beneficial. So yes you are correct but it's a very small percentage of accidents and not something you should be terrified about. Still RF as long as you can.

designerchai2230 · November 2013

RedheadBaker said:

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I was excited to see so many responses, until I realized people were just debating on my post. I understand we all have our difference of opinions, we don't all make the same decisions and don't always agree with every one else. But really? I think we can state our opinions and move on instead of constantly being at each other's throats for their opinion. You don't have to agree. You don't have to judge. A little kindness goes a long way.
Are you new to The Bump?

Nope, not new, just surprised by all the bitchiness. It's hilarious. And sad. And I feel bad for the kids of the moms coming on this website bulling other people.

mrsshawnavanb · November 2013

because she cried all the time, and wanted to be like her big sister. The minute we turned her, she started loving car trips again.

This was my experience as well. DD would cry and car rides were absolutely AWFUL. DD is also in the 96th percentile for height so I spoke with the pediatrician who said to try forward facing and see if it makes a noticeable difference. It did, so she is forward facing at 18mo.

Jenelle101 · November 2013

I haven't read all the comments, but check out this FB group: Car Seats for the Littles. It really opened my eyes on carseat safety. My daughter is 3.5 and they changed the safety regulations about a month before she turned 1. I didn't really think too much of it. She screamed her head off and was miserable riding backwards. When we switched her forward-facing, she was much happier. Now that I have found this FB group, I realized that I was very lucky we never got into a car accident with my daughter in the car! My son just turned 1 in September, and I plan to RF him as long as possible. It is just MUCH safer and I couldn't live with myself knowing that I could have prevented an injury if it happened. PLEASE check out this FB page!!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/CarSeatsForTheLittles.

Meery82 · November 2013

designerchai2230 said:

RedheadBaker said:

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I was excited to see so many responses, until I realized people were just debating on my post. I understand we all have our difference of opinions, we don't all make the same decisions and don't always agree with every one else. But really? I think we can state our opinions and move on instead of constantly being at each other's throats for their opinion. You don't have to agree. You don't have to judge. A little kindness goes a long way.
Are you new to The Bump?

Nope, not new, just surprised by all the bitchiness. It's hilarious. And sad. And I feel bad for the kids of the moms coming on this website bulling other people.

Fabulous. Someone else who doesn't know the definition of bullying. If you think that anyone here is being bullied, you are out of touch with reality. If you don't like people debating on your post, don't post anything. By posting on a public forum, you open it up to others' opinions and views and don't get to dictate what they can and can't say. What's wrong with debating anyway? It's a way of seeing someone else's viewpoints and gaining knowledge. IMO opinion, that's a good thing.

meg_2006 · November 2013

I have a question...if RF is safer (and I am a proponent of keeping a child RF until 2, but that's beside the point)...wouldn't it be safer for all? And if so, should we all have our seats backwards? Then should the driver have some kind of monitor so he/she can see what is going on in front of him- like a video game! And the seats would be slightly reclined, just like the infant seats...and super cushy. So many lives would be saved! I could make millions!!!

Meery82 · November 2013

meg_2006 said:

I have a question...if RF is safer (and I am a proponent of keeping a child RF until 2, but that's beside the point)...wouldn't it be safer for all? And if so, should we all have our seats backwards? Then should the driver have some kind of monitor so he/she can see what is going on in front of him- like a video game! And the seats would be slightly reclined, just like the infant seats...and super cushy. So many lives would be saved! I could make millions!!!

I'm gonna need a sippy of wine while I'm riding in my seat.

cmytutu · November 2013

Forward facing as of 11 months. That's not the only rule we've broken and my kid is 21 months old and just fine. Do what works best for your family and tell everyone else to go jump in a lake.

ASmallWonder · November 2013

cmytutu said:

Forward facing as of 11 months. That's not the only rule we've broken and my kid is 21 months old and just fine. Do what works best for your family and tell everyone else to go jump in a lake.

The benefits of RF aside, forward facing at 11 months old is illegal. Laws are either 1 year AND 20 pound or "proper use" which means you have to use the seat per the manufacturer's guidelines. There are no seats on the market that allow for forward facing before 1 year AND 20 pounds and some have even greater minimums.

zbeesma86 · November 2013

our pedi said 2 or 60 lbs.

DD is RF- she's tall but tiny.

We have a mirror and give her toys and things. Sometimes she cries in it- but I'm not going to turn her around yet.

designerchai2230 · February 2014

Meery82 said:

designerchai2230 said:

RedheadBaker said:

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I was excited to see so many responses, until I realized people were just debating on my post. I understand we all have our difference of opinions, we don't all make the same decisions and don't always agree with every one else. But really? I think we can state our opinions and move on instead of constantly being at each other's throats for their opinion. You don't have to agree. You don't have to judge. A little kindness goes a long way.
Are you new to The Bump?

Nope, not new, just surprised by all the bitchiness. It's hilarious. And sad. And I feel bad for the kids of the moms coming on this website bulling other people.

Fabulous. Someone else who doesn't know the definition of bullying. If you think that anyone here is being bullied, you are out of touch with reality. If you don't like people debating on your post, don't post anything. By posting on a public forum, you open it up to others' opinions and views and don't get to dictate what they can and can't say. What's wrong with debating anyway? It's a way of seeing someone else's viewpoints and gaining knowledge. IMO opinion, that's a good thing.

I'm glad that you assume that you know me (being out of touch with reality and all). It's a post, it's my opinion on my thread. Debating is fine. It's even better when you actually learn something when debating with others. It's another thing when people don't have an open mind to other people's opinions and drag issues on. The only knowledge I gained from your post is that I don't want to sound as ignorant and rude as you do. Try to empower others with your knowledge, not cut them down.

nlee3 · February 2014

I think we all do what is best for our family and our children. We have no need to throw stones at others on here because this is the place to go for support. If you ask about a law, then that can be provided, if you ask an opinion, you will get it, but we should all still be supportive of others decisions. I plan to keep mine RF as long as I can, but if there is an issue that arises that compromises his safety such as incessant crying and I need to switch, I will for everyones safety. We all do the best we can and make tough choices every day. You do what you feel is safe.

nlee3 · February 2014

I think we all do what is best for our family and our children. We have no need to throw stones at others on here because this is the place to go for support. If you ask about a law, then that can be provided, if you ask an opinion, you will get it, but we should all still be supportive of others decisions. I plan to keep mine RF as long as I can, but if there is an issue that arises that compromises his safety such as incessant crying and I need to switch, I will for everyones safety. We all do the best we can and make tough choices every day. You do what you feel is safe.

designerchai2230 · February 2014

nlee3 said:

I think we all do what is best for our family and our children. We have no need to throw stones at others on here because this is the place to go for support. If you ask about a law, then that can be provided, if you ask an opinion, you will get it, but we should all still be supportive of others decisions. I plan to keep mine RF as long as I can, but if there is an issue that arises that compromises his safety such as incessant crying and I need to switch, I will for everyones safety. We all do the best we can and make tough choices every day. You do what you feel is safe.

Amen!

Meery82 · February 2014

designerchai2230 said:

Meery82 said:

designerchai2230 said:

RedheadBaker said:

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I was excited to see so many responses, until I realized people were just debating on my post. I understand we all have our difference of opinions, we don't all make the same decisions and don't always agree with every one else. But really? I think we can state our opinions and move on instead of constantly being at each other's throats for their opinion. You don't have to agree. You don't have to judge. A little kindness goes a long way.
Are you new to The Bump?

Nope, not new, just surprised by all the bitchiness. It's hilarious. And sad. And I feel bad for the kids of the moms coming on this website bulling other people.

Fabulous. Someone else who doesn't know the definition of bullying. If you think that anyone here is being bullied, you are out of touch with reality. If you don't like people debating on your post, don't post anything. By posting on a public forum, you open it up to others' opinions and views and don't get to dictate what they can and can't say. What's wrong with debating anyway? It's a way of seeing someone else's viewpoints and gaining knowledge. IMO opinion, that's a good thing.

I'm glad that you assume that you know me (being out of touch with reality and all). It's a post, it's my opinion on my thread. Debating is fine. It's even better when you actually learn something when debating with others. It's another thing when people don't have an open mind to other people's opinions and drag issues on. The only knowledge I gained from your post is that I don't want to sound as ignorant and rude as you do. Try to empower others with your knowledge, not cut them down.

Why hello again, 3 months later! Please tell me what I posted that you consider ignorant. I would love to hear it. Bullying is a real problem, a serious one, and I can tell you for a fact that what goes on here is not bullying. Please do some reading before you make such ludicrous comments. I don't even remember the details of this thread and I don't care enough to go back and read through it. This goes for the other poster who is chastising us for being rude: if you don't lie it, don't post. No one here is obligated to give you support or kiss your ass. Feel free to move along.

Meery82 · February 2014

nlee3 said:

I think we all do what is best for our family and our children. We have no need to throw stones at others on here because this is the place to go for support. If you ask about a law, then that can be provided, if you ask an opinion, you will get it, but we should all still be supportive of others decisions. I plan to keep mine RF as long as I can, but if there is an issue that arises that compromises his safety such as incessant crying and I need to switch, I will for everyones safety. We all do the best we can and make tough choices every day. You do what you feel is safe.

No. This is bullshit. If you make a stupid decision, why should I support you? Please show me where it says that anyone needs to support anyone on this forum.

laurelita42 · February 2014

Meery82 said:

nlee3 said:

I think we all do what is best for our family and our children. We have no need to throw stones at others on here because this is the place to go for support. If you ask about a law, then that can be provided, if you ask an opinion, you will get it, but we should all still be supportive of others decisions. I plan to keep mine RF as long as I can, but if there is an issue that arises that compromises his safety such as incessant crying and I need to switch, I will for everyones safety. We all do the best we can and make tough choices every day. You do what you feel is safe.

No. This is bullshit. If you make a stupid decision, why should I support you? Please show me where it says that anyone needs to support anyone on this forum.

This, exactly! If I was unaware that I was doing something that was unsafe/harmful to my LO, you can bet I would want someone to clue me in rather than pat me on the head and tell me I'm 'doing the best I can'! You can be supportive of and still disagree with a mom struggling with getting their LO to STTN, but not about FF at 11 months or whatever. Laws and research, people.... they don't lie.

HeavenBlessedMom · February 2014

We switched DD a little after 1 yr old (24# at the time). She would scream bloody murder and we really don't take her far or often because of that, esp now that I'm basically homebound 24 wks pregnant with triplets. We may take a ride 10 minutes away twice a week.

designerchai2230 · February 2014

Meery82 said:

designerchai2230 said:

Meery82 said:

designerchai2230 said:

RedheadBaker said:

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I was excited to see so many responses, until I realized people were just debating on my post. I understand we all have our difference of opinions, we don't all make the same decisions and don't always agree with every one else. But really? I think we can state our opinions and move on instead of constantly being at each other's throats for their opinion. You don't have to agree. You don't have to judge. A little kindness goes a long way.
Are you new to The Bump?

Nope, not new, just surprised by all the bitchiness. It's hilarious. And sad. And I feel bad for the kids of the moms coming on this website bulling other people.

Fabulous. Someone else who doesn't know the definition of bullying. If you think that anyone here is being bullied, you are out of touch with reality. If you don't like people debating on your post, don't post anything. By posting on a public forum, you open it up to others' opinions and views and don't get to dictate what they can and can't say. What's wrong with debating anyway? It's a way of seeing someone else's viewpoints and gaining knowledge. IMO opinion, that's a good thing.

I'm glad that you assume that you know me (being out of touch with reality and all). It's a post, it's my opinion on my thread. Debating is fine. It's even better when you actually learn something when debating with others. It's another thing when people don't have an open mind to other people's opinions and drag issues on. The only knowledge I gained from your post is that I don't want to sound as ignorant and rude as you do. Try to empower others with your knowledge, not cut them down.

Why hello again, 3 months later! Please tell me what I posted that you consider ignorant. I would love to hear it. Bullying is a real problem, a serious one, and I can tell you for a fact that what goes on here is not bullying. Please do some reading before you make such ludicrous comments. I don't even remember the details of this thread and I don't care enough to go back and read through it. This goes for the other poster who is chastising us for being rude: if you don't lie it, don't post. No one here is obligated to give you support or kiss your ass. Feel free to move along.

What I consider ignorant is your opinion of bullying. In no ways have you helped me by your comments on this thread. You have only searched out ways to be rude and comment on everything making it irrelevant to this post (car seats: to refresh your memory). I guess some people are better at giving advice than others. That's ok. And yes, feel free to respond back. I'll be the bigger person and let you have the last word.

Meery82 · February 2014

Meery82 said:

designerchai2230 said:

RedheadBaker said:

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I was excited to see so many responses, until I realized people were just debating on my post. I understand we all have our difference of opinions, we don't all make the same decisions and don't always agree with every one else. But really? I think we can state our opinions and move on instead of constantly being at each other's throats for their opinion. You don't have to agree. You don't have to judge. A little kindness goes a long way.
Are you new to The Bump?

Nope, not new, just surprised by all the bitchiness. It's hilarious. And sad. And I feel bad for the kids of the moms coming on this website bulling other people.

Fabulous. Someone else who doesn't know the definition of bullying. If you think that anyone here is being bullied, you are out of touch with reality. If you don't like people debating on your post, don't post anything. By posting on a public forum, you open it up to others' opinions and views and don't get to dictate what they can and can't say. What's wrong with debating anyway? It's a way of seeing someone else's viewpoints and gaining knowledge. IMO opinion, that's a good thing.

Meery82 said:

meg_2006 said:

I have a question...if RF is safer (and I am a proponent of keeping a child RF until 2, but that's beside the point)...wouldn't it be safer for all? And if so, should we all have our seats backwards? Then should the driver have some kind of monitor so he/she can see what is going on in front of him- like a video game! And the seats would be slightly reclined, just like the infant seats...and super cushy. So many lives would be saved! I could make millions!!!

I'm gonna need a sippy of wine while I'm riding in my seat.

Meery82 said:

designerchai2230 said:

Meery82 said:

designerchai2230 said:

RedheadBaker said:

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I was excited to see so many responses, until I realized people were just debating on my post. I understand we all have our difference of opinions, we don't all make the same decisions and don't always agree with every one else. But really? I think we can state our opinions and move on instead of constantly being at each other's throats for their opinion. You don't have to agree. You don't have to judge. A little kindness goes a long way.
Are you new to The Bump?

Nope, not new, just surprised by all the bitchiness. It's hilarious. And sad. And I feel bad for the kids of the moms coming on this website bulling other people.

Fabulous. Someone else who doesn't know the definition of bullying. If you think that anyone here is being bullied, you are out of touch with reality. If you don't like people debating on your post, don't post anything. By posting on a public forum, you open it up to others' opinions and views and don't get to dictate what they can and can't say. What's wrong with debating anyway? It's a way of seeing someone else's viewpoints and gaining knowledge. IMO opinion, that's a good thing.

I'm glad that you assume that you know me (being out of touch with reality and all). It's a post, it's my opinion on my thread. Debating is fine. It's even better when you actually learn something when debating with others. It's another thing when people don't have an open mind to other people's opinions and drag issues on. The only knowledge I gained from your post is that I don't want to sound as ignorant and rude as you do. Try to empower others with your knowledge, not cut them down.

Why hello again, 3 months later! Please tell me what I posted that you consider ignorant. I would love to hear it. Bullying is a real problem, a serious one, and I can tell you for a fact that what goes on here is not bullying. Please do some reading before you make such ludicrous comments. I don't even remember the details of this thread and I don't care enough to go back and read through it. This goes for the other poster who is chastising us for being rude: if you don't lie it, don't post. No one here is obligated to give you support or kiss your ass. Feel free to move along.

Meery82 said:

nlee3 said:

I think we all do what is best for our family and our children. We have no need to throw stones at others on here because this is the place to go for support. If you ask about a law, then that can be provided, if you ask an opinion, you will get it, but we should all still be supportive of others decisions. I plan to keep mine RF as long as I can, but if there is an issue that arises that compromises his safety such as incessant crying and I need to switch, I will for everyones safety. We all do the best we can and make tough choices every day. You do what you feel is safe.

No. This is bullshit. If you make a stupid decision, why should I support you? Please show me where it says that anyone needs to support anyone on this forum.

Here are all my comments from this thread. Please tell me what is so wrong with them. Please show me where I cut anyone down.

I never gave a definition of bullying. Children are teased and tortured relentlessly, become depressed, and some even attempt to end their life. That is real bullying. If you think that at all compares to what's going on here, you're a fucking moron. Plain and simple.

Oh, my comments weren't helpful to you? Tough shit. You don't get to dictate what I or anyone else posts. Get over yourself.

I'm so sorry that you can't handle an adult conversation and a few snarky comments.

Meery82 · February 2014

Meery82 said:

LalaMama81 said:

khagan9368 said:

What cracks me up are the people that liken a FF toddler to a baby riding in the front seat of a monster truck!

Says the woman who put her 16 month old in a booster seat.

That wasn't her. It was a different poster. Michelle something.

Meery82 said:

michelle04us said:

I have a ?. What happens if you have a child under the age of 2 who figures out how to unbuckle the 5 point harness and climbs out of his/her seat? Having them RF could in fact help this because unless you have a HUGE mirror to be watching them you usually only see from about the neck up(maybe shoulders). This means everytime they are in the car they could be figuring out how to unbuckle and once they learn believe me they won't forget.

My oldest(now 7) was turned FF at a year for 2 reasons. 1 because I had a 2 door car and it was very difficult to get him in and out in a RF carseat. 2. because even at a year old he had figured out how to unbuckle the harness. I don't know how many different things we tried to keep him from unbuckling but none of them worked. We turned him FF in hopes to distract him from doing it but only a couple car trips in and he was back at it. This is where I will get flamed I already know. By the age of 15-16 months I put him into a booster seat with a seatbelt because it was the only way to keep him buckled in and in his seat. Since he couldn't reach the buckle he couldn't undo it and I had the belt just tight enough he couldn't figure out a way to squirm out of it but not too tight where he would get hurt if in an accident. He was a larger LO. At that age he was already past the 30lb mark. Granted at 7 he is still only 45lbs so he barely grew in 5 years and if I went by recommendations he would probably be in a booster seat till he learned to drive.

That being said, like PP said, if parents choose(or need) to FF after 1 year and 20lbs they should not be judged. My 2 younger LOs have and will be FF at the law age and weight. I feel safer being able to see if they are trying to unbuckle and getting out of their seat then the small risk of being seriously injured if we were in an accident. Is that stupid? Some people might say that but I'm going to do what I feel is right for my family.

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Meery82 said:

No to football? Why?

Meery82 said:

LalaMama81 said:

Yes, driving is dangerous. Hence my need to make it as safe as possible, ERF is one of those ways. Football is also dangerous but easily avoidable. I'm not worried so much about broken bones, but concussions. Driving is generally unavoidable unless you live in a super walkable area. Football and driving aren't even slightly comparable in any way. We take many risks each day, I don't see why mitigating them is a bad thing. You don't see it as black and white, I do. There are very rare situations that I think ff before 2+ is acceptable. I don't care if you agree with me or not.

Just curious here. What if your kid decides they want to play high school football someday? Will you say no then? Or is it just about little kids?

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