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panicked228 · October 2013

And the pay for married couples *should* increase. You know why? More people to feed, house, clothe, and take care of. But sure, let's pay everyone the same. I think you are grossly overestimating the amount of fraud and contract marriages in the military. For the *small* amount of fraud that actually goes on, there are a lot more young, married couples who struggle to pay their bills. It's not like we're swimming in piles of cash.

MsMommy2012 · October 2013

Mackalien13 said:

LexiLupin said:

All of this brings me back to my point about how stupid the BAH system is in the first place. The people who make the least also get the least to live off of? My husband recently was promoted and, along with his basic pay increase, he also would have gotten a sizable increase a month in BAH IF we lived off post. Same family. Same spacial requirements. Same city. If we wanted to splurge on a nicer house or eating out more, we should be able to budget that out of basic pay.

I have feels about this.

I can agree with this. Like increase the pay more, don't increase BAH. Getting more money for a promotion makes sense, but it doesn't make sense to increase standard of living arbitrarily through BAH.

Also, you don't get increased BAH if you have a bigger family so it also makes no sense. The whole thing is messed up.

Smootchy · October 2013

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MsMommy2012 · October 2013

Mackalien13 said:

MsMommy2012 said:

Mackalien13 said:

MsMommy2012 said:

CinemaGoddess said:

I don't think it's a bad idea to discourage newly enlisted teenagers to wait a year or two before getting married.

But that has nothing to do with the military and everything to do with not being a dumb kid.

Thank you. And the military is the ONLY place that pays you differently for being married, and when you're young, the GROSS pay difference is huge. They don't even have to discourage it. They don't have to encourage it, though. Just pay everyone the same and charge those who live in the barracks.

ORLY? So reduced tax rates for married people? That's not a difference? Because when you get to increase your number of exemptions your paycheck goes up.

At certain income levels, you actually are penalized for being married. The tax code is all sorts of fucked up.

But at lower income levels you are not. Which is what we are discussing here.

And you would still get that with military pay. Except for BAH of course since that's not even taxed.

It's not like military doesn't get tax exemptions, so I'm not sure why you're bringing this into the argument.

panicked228 · October 2013

I got married three days before my husband left for BCT. We were engaged and planned on getting married the following year. Well, he enlisted, we got married, and I had *gasp* health insurance and money for something other than ramen. I guess I'm a horrible leech on the ass of the Army.

CurlyQ284 · October 2013

LexiLupin said:
All of this brings me back to my point about how stupid the BAH system is in the first place. The people who make the least also get the least to live off of? My husband recently was promoted and, along with his basic pay increase, he also would have gotten a sizable increase a month in BAH IF we lived off post. Same family. Same spacial requirements. Same city. If we wanted to splurge on a nicer house or eating out more, we should be able to budget that out of basic pay.

I have feels about this.

DH has been out of the military a loong time and we weren't married when he was in, just dating so I wasnt all up in his money but doesn't BAH change depending on where you're stationed? Does salary stay the same regardless of where you're stationed? Maybe that's why they do it, so if you're relocated you can afford the same level of housing? I don't know, just taking a stab at the reasons.

panicked228 · October 2013

And BAH is pretty closely monitored in each area. What you get is very close to what you pay out in rent and utilities. People aren't pocketing thousands and thousands of dollars.

MsMommy2012 · October 2013

panicked228 said:

And the pay for married couples *should* increase. You know why? More people to feed, house, clothe, and take care of. But sure, let's pay everyone the same. I think you are grossly overestimating the amount of fraud and contract marriages in the military. For the *small* amount of fraud that actually goes on, there are a lot more young, married couples who struggle to pay their bills. It's not like we're swimming in piles of cash.

I know you're not swimming in piles of cash and I never said you were. I think it's actually quite sad how little military people are paid. The fact so many need to be on government assistance should be a national embarrassment.

I'm not really talking about fraud or contract marriages, though I know those are out there. When DH and I got married, he was military, I was not. We both worked. He was an O-1 at the time going through The Basic School. As soon as we got married, his paycheck literally doubled. Mine stayed the same. We had been together for 4 years at that point, engaged for a year, and would've gotten married anyway. But we knew 3 couples who got married just before TBS and were divorcing by the end of Naval Justice School a mere 9 months later.

All I'm saying is it doesn't make sense for them to pay substantially more money to someone just because they're married because no other job does. It does create an incentive to marry when you perhaps wouldn't have. I'm not saying it's the case for you or anyone on this board. But it happens a lot more than it does in the civilian world.

I'm not saying young military families shouldn't have enough to live on. Just saying that they should pay single and married the same and make everyone pay for housing, etc.

It's a tough lifestyle and if more people thought it through, the divorce rate in the military (which is astronomical) would probably go down.

panicked228 · October 2013

MsMommy2012 said:

panicked228 said:

And the pay for married couples *should* increase. You know why? More people to feed, house, clothe, and take care of. But sure, let's pay everyone the same. I think you are grossly overestimating the amount of fraud and contract marriages in the military. For the *small* amount of fraud that actually goes on, there are a lot more young, married couples who struggle to pay their bills. It's not like we're swimming in piles of cash.

I know you're not swimming in piles of cash and I never said you were. I think it's actually quite sad how little military people are paid. The fact so many need to be on government assistance should be a national embarrassment.

I'm not really talking about fraud or contract marriages, though I know those are out there. When DH and I got married, he was military, I was not. We both worked. He was an O-1 at the time going through The Basic School. As soon as we got married, his paycheck literally doubled. Mine stayed the same. We had been together for 4 years at that point, engaged for a year, and would've gotten married anyway. But we knew 3 couples who got married just before TBS and were divorcing by the end of Naval Justice School a mere 9 months later.

All I'm saying is it doesn't make sense for them to pay substantially more money to someone just because they're married because no other job does. It does create an incentive to marry when you perhaps wouldn't have. I'm not saying it's the case for you or anyone on this board. But it happens a lot more than it does in the civilian world.

I'm not saying young military families shouldn't have enough to live on. Just saying that they should pay single and married the same and make everyone pay for housing, etc.

It's a tough lifestyle and if more people thought it through, the divorce rate in the military (which is astronomical) would probably go down.

THEY DO. It's just not seen. We get the money in our paycheck (or directly to the rental company for those living on post), the single soldiers don't. Either way, every single person in the military is paying for housing, food, and living costs.

Also, you know what would make the divorce rate go down? Having people home and not on trainings, deployments, and schools that take them away for months at a time and give them TBI's and PTSD. It's really difficult to build and sustain a marriage when it's one separation after another.

(And before anyone gets uppity, yes, volunteer Army, they signed up, it's not a draft, blah, blah, blah)

CurlyQ284 · October 2013

This nonsensical attempt at logic makes my head want to explode.

MsMommy2012 · October 2013

Mackalien13 said:

Last time real slow.

YOUR PAYCHECK DOUBLED. YOUR NET INCOME DID NOT. THEREFORE YOU DID NOT ACTUALLY HAVE MORE MONEY.

Okay.

How do you know, for fucks sake? I still paid rent before we were married so we did have more money. Talk about making assumptions.

Anyway. You're totally missing my point too, so agree to disagree.

CurlyQ284 · October 2013

Out of curiosity, is BAH for active military the same amount for people who are out and using the GI bill? Anyone out and using GI bill? I haz questions.

Should I make a separate thread for this so I don't interfere with the argument in progress?

MsMommy2012 · October 2013

CurlyQ284 said:

Out of curiosity, is BAH for active military the same amount for people who are out and using the GI bill? Anyone out and using GI bill? I haz questions. Should I make a separate thread for this so I don't interfere with the argument in progress?

post-9/11 GI bill you get E-5 with dependent rate no matter what, for the zip code where your school is. DH is currently using his.

MsMommy2012 · October 2013

Mackalien13 said:

CurlyQ284 said:

Out of curiosity, is BAH for active military the same amount for people who are out and using the GI bill? Anyone out and using GI bill? I haz questions. Should I make a separate thread for this so I don't interfere with the argument in progress?

post-9/11 GI bill you get E-5 with dependent rate no matter what, for the zip code where your school is. DH is currently using his.
How? The military will only pay for one degree above college. I thought your DH was a lawyer. Did he go in after law school?

Yup. He went in way after.

CurlyQ284 · October 2013

MsMommy2012 said:

CurlyQ284 said:

Out of curiosity, is BAH for active military the same amount for people who are out and using the GI bill? Anyone out and using GI bill? I haz questions.

Should I make a separate thread for this so I don't interfere with the argument in progress?

post-9/11 GI bill you get E-5 with dependent rate no matter what, for the zip code where your school is. DH is currently using his.

Yeah but my question is that the monthly letter we get says we are entitled to x amount. The amount we actually get is like 75% of that. I added everything up and it looks like we are short $2500 from the last year. Its not taxed, right? Is there any other reason we might be shorted other than a mistake? DH is supposed to contact the VA today but since everyone's talking about BAH I thought I'd stage another threadjack.

MelissaRae1525 · October 2013

panicked228 said:
And the pay for married couples *should* increase. You know why? More people to feed, house, clothe, and take care of. But sure, let's pay everyone the same. I think you are grossly overestimating the amount of fraud and contract marriages in the military. For the *small* amount of fraud that actually goes on, there are a lot more young, married couples who struggle to pay their bills. It's not like we're swimming in piles of cash.

But at any other job you don't get a raise just because you get married.

And I know they don't get paid much. My brother is in the army and they charge him $250 a month to eat at the dining hall.

MsMommy2012 · October 2013

CurlyQ284 said:

CurlyQ284 said:

Out of curiosity, is BAH for active military the same amount for people who are out and using the GI bill? Anyone out and using GI bill? I haz questions. Should I make a separate thread for this so I don't interfere with the argument in progress?

post-9/11 GI bill you get E-5 with dependent rate no matter what, for the zip code where your school is. DH is currently using his.
Yeah but my question is that the monthly letter we get says we are entitled to x amount. The amount we actually get is like 75% of that. I added everything up and it looks like we are short $2500 from the last year. Its not taxed, right? Is there any other reason we might be shorted other than a mistake? DH is supposed to contact the VA today but since everyone's talking about BAH I thought I'd stage another threadjack.

Hmmm I don't know. We literally just got one payment so far and it was less than we thought it should be too. I know they pro-rate if it's a short school month though too, so we figured we would wait and see what happens. Is it post-911 that you're using or Montgomery? BC they're different.

CurlyQ284 · October 2013

MsMommy2012 said:

CurlyQ284 said:

MsMommy2012 said:

CurlyQ284 said:

Out of curiosity, is BAH for active military the same amount for people who are out and using the GI bill? Anyone out and using GI bill? I haz questions.

Should I make a separate thread for this so I don't interfere with the argument in progress?

post-9/11 GI bill you get E-5 with dependent rate no matter what, for the zip code where your school is. DH is currently using his.
Yeah but my question is that the monthly letter we get says we are entitled to x amount. The amount we actually get is like 75% of that. I added everything up and it looks like we are short $2500 from the last year. Its not taxed, right? Is there any other reason we might be shorted other than a mistake? DH is supposed to contact the VA today but since everyone's talking about BAH I thought I'd stage another threadjack.

Hmmm I don't know. We literally just got one payment so far and it was less than we thought it should be too. I know they pro-rate if it's a short school month though too, so we figured we would wait and see what happens. Is it post-911 that you're using or Montgomery? BC they're different.

Post-9/11. It was short at first then we got a LARGE payment in February. Its been short since then and I've been waiting for another catch up payment but it hasn't happened.

MelissaRae1525 · October 2013

kiraliz2 said:

MelissaRae1525 said:

panicked228 said:
And the pay for married couples *should* increase. You know why? More people to feed, house, clothe, and take care of. But sure, let's pay everyone the same. I think you are grossly overestimating the amount of fraud and contract marriages in the military. For the *small* amount of fraud that actually goes on, there are a lot more young, married couples who struggle to pay their bills. It's not like we're swimming in piles of cash.
But at any other job you don't get a raise just because you get married.

And I know they don't get paid much. My brother is in the army and they charge him $250 a month to eat at the dining hall.

It's not the same as any other job though. Not comparable.

I know. But the reason she gave as to why they deserve more is.

MsMommy2012 · October 2013

Mackalien13 said:

MelissaRae1525 said:

And the pay for married couples *should* increase. You know why? More people to feed, house, clothe, and take care of. But sure, let's pay everyone the same. I think you are grossly overestimating the amount of fraud and contract marriages in the military. For the *small* amount of fraud that actually goes on, there are a lot more young, married couples who struggle to pay their bills. It's not like we're swimming in piles of cash.
But at any other job you don't get a raise just because you get married. And I know they don't get paid much. My brother is in the army and they charge him $250 a month to eat at the dining hall.

It's not the same as any other job though. Not comparable.
It's not just like any other job. It's an entire life change. It's a benefit of changing your lifestyle to serve the country. So I think it sucks that anyone would begrudge that.

I have tons of respect for military families. We are one-- DH is reserves still and still talks about reactivating. Not begrudging anyone anything. All I'm saying is single ppl should be paid the same. Not saying married should be paid less; just that singles should be paid the same. That is, literally, it.

MelissaRae1525 · October 2013

Mackalien13 said:

kiraliz2 said:

MelissaRae1525 said:

panicked228 said:
And the pay for married couples *should* increase. You know why? More people to feed, house, clothe, and take care of. But sure, let's pay everyone the same. I think you are grossly overestimating the amount of fraud and contract marriages in the military. For the *small* amount of fraud that actually goes on, there are a lot more young, married couples who struggle to pay their bills. It's not like we're swimming in piles of cash.
But at any other job you don't get a raise just because you get married.

And I know they don't get paid much. My brother is in the army and they charge him $250 a month to eat at the dining hall.

It's not the same as any other job though. Not comparable.

It's not just like any other job. It's an entire life change. It's a benefit of changing your lifestyle to serve the country. So I think it sucks that anyone would begrudge that.

I get that, and I was just playing DA. But her reasoning was that it's another person to take care of isn't specific to the military.

I live in a navy town and know people who have married just for money/benefits for the other person. And my brother tells me about a lot of his friends who get married to live off base. Not say ALL young military couples get married for the wrong reason but there are plenty that do.

MelissaRae1525 · October 2013

kiraliz2 said:

MelissaRae1525 said:

kiraliz2 said:

MelissaRae1525 said:

panicked228 said:
And the pay for married couples *should* increase. You know why? More people to feed, house, clothe, and take care of. But sure, let's pay everyone the same. I think you are grossly overestimating the amount of fraud and contract marriages in the military. For the *small* amount of fraud that actually goes on, there are a lot more young, married couples who struggle to pay their bills. It's not like we're swimming in piles of cash.
But at any other job you don't get a raise just because you get married.

And I know they don't get paid much. My brother is in the army and they charge him $250 a month to eat at the dining hall.

It's not the same as any other job though. Not comparable.
I know. But the reason she gave as to why they deserve more is.

Huh?

She said they deserve more because they have another person to take care of when they got married. Which is the same for anyone that gets married.

CurlyQ284 · October 2013

Yes, everyone gets married. However if my DH gets a new job in the IT sector its unlikely they will make us uproot and move every few years. I can have a career. Not so easy in the military. I said this like pages ago. READ THIS ITS NOT THAT HARD.

CurlyQ284 · October 2013

I just don't get the push back But I have a soft spot for the military. I want to give them all the things.

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