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  • :: deep breath ::  Okay, I'm about to get blasted here, but I'm being honest!!

    My UO: I don't think the government and our health care system actually looks out for our health. 

    I've never gotten the flu shot, and won't, even though I'm pregnant.  My mother is going through chemo, then surgery, then radiation for breast cancer, and I PROMISE YOU that a cure has been found, and it's been hushed up ... because too many people and companies make money off of chemo, cancer medications, and radiation.  There is no way you can convice me that the Susan G Coleman foundation hasn't come up with SOMETHING by now.  I don't think half the crap they say is bad for you is actually bad for you, especially in moderation.  I think we, as Americans, rely too much on medicines and quick fixes, and our govenment doesn't mind.  Thousands of companies make money off of pharmacueticals that are unneccessary.  We invent different diseases and syndromes so that everybody is "battleing" something, and the REAL diseases, the REAL syndromes, the REAL people who need good health care don't get it.

    I could go on ....

    ETA: spelling

    Max Gerson went public with a cure for cancer in the 30's or 40's. It was nationally broadcasted after her took it to the US government. The next day, the broadcaster was fired. Max Gerson was poisoned more than once. There are several countries who have the Gerson institute, but not the US. The treatment consists of pure organic vegetarian diet and juicing with vitamin supplements and coffee enemas. No big Pharma necessary. This course of treatment has been banned in the United States. If I ever have the misfortune of getting cancer I'll be on my way to Mexico. I have Charlotte gerson's (max's daughter) book The Gerson Therapy and there are many documentaries and research articles about it. My UO: big Pharma is not in the businesses of finding cures but a pill for every ill.
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  • My brother told me the cure for cancer...it's weed.  You inject it straight into the cancer site (so, sadly, no high).  Apparently an oncology nurse, on her way home from getting her own cancer cured, told him this while they sat next to each other on an airplane once...

    He also thinks that our phone call was dropped because of the big black government van next to him on the highway (because they care so much that I was having pizza for dinner), and he's got bunches more.  He's my brother and I love him, but oof his tin foil hat shows far too often!

    I don't really have an UO today, but I wanted to contribute :)

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  • IBackBevo said:

    @JessElam- I am not calling all Republicans crazy,right-wingers.  Or all Republicans who oppose the ACA crazy, right-wingers.  If you read my post, you would see that I was referring specifically to some of my friends/relatives who are crazy, right-wingers.  They are freaking "preppers" who are literally creating a compound out in west Texas, building a house with no windows and hoarding food, water and supplies to get ready for Armageddon.  They believe in chem trails, that Obama is the anti-christ and other crazy crap.  They are crazy, right-wingers.  If you are building a windowless house and believe that Obama is the anti-Christ, then I will call you one, too. Otherwise, I don't lump you in with them.

    As for the argument: I understand it. I don't agree with it. I believe in a thing called individual responsibility.  I believe that, yeah, the government does have a right to keep you from being a burden on the rest of society because of your own stupidity. I'm okay with things like laws requiring people to have car insurance if they drive, laws requiring motorcyclists to wear helmets and laws telling people they can't abuse their children, etc.  Because, in the end, these things do affect others...just like if you don't have health insurance and something goes wrong, it does affect society as a whole.  So if a person is too dumb to realize that as a responsible adult that they need insurance, then I am A-Okay with the government fining you some piddly amount for their stupidity.  Because, ultimately, if you get in a horrible wreck or get Cancer or end up with some other serious medical conditions and don't have insurance, you WILL get medical care even without...it will just result in the hospital eating the costs (or the government stepping in once your broke) that, in turn, results in higher healthcare costs to all of us and/or higher taxes. Because, quite frankly, we are paying for uninsured people to have healthcare NOW.  We are just paying horribly, horribly inefficiently!

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  • speaking of FB and cancer, I hate the private messages that go around and say "in honor of breast cancer awareness...post this on your FB wall"

    posting meaningless shit on FB means nothing! I think in general, the younger generation doesn't think they need to do something to get the result they want. sitting in front of a computer or in a circle jerk being a pseudo-intellectual doesn't actually translate to anything IRL. same thing for picketing, rallying, sit-ins, whatever.

    sigh, I feel hopeless about the US's future.

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  • Max Gerson went public with a cure for cancer in the 30's or 40's. It was nationally broadcasted after her took it to the US government. The next day, the broadcaster was fired. Max Gerson was poisoned more than once. There are several countries who have the Gerson institute, but not the US. The treatment consists of pure organic vegetarian diet and juicing with vitamin supplements and coffee enemas. No big Pharma necessary. This course of treatment has been banned in the United States. If I ever have the misfortune of getting cancer I'll be on my way to Mexico. I have Charlotte gerson's (max's daughter) book The Gerson Therapy and there are many documentaries and research articles about it. My UO: big Pharma is not in the businesses of finding cures but a pill for every ill.

    Shit, you mean if my vegetarian granny had only known about the coffee enemas she wouldn't have died of cancer?
  • megangehr said:

    I'm so happy other people here aren't obamacare haters. The Affordable Care Act is a GOOD thing.

    You have restored my faith in other parts of the country. I'm just assuming some of you are from places that aren't as generally liberal as NJ.

    I'm from the Midwest, where I'm surrounded by a bunch of conservatives, and it's nice to see other people who think obamacare is a good thing! My Facebook feed is filled with constant obamacare hate and about how the government shutdow is all solely Obama's fault and a bunch of stupid memes to that same extent.

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  • awc1986 said:
    You think the US Government cured cancer but is keeping it on the down low because of big pharma?

    Yes and no ... I think a cure has been found ... many times.  Maybe by the government, maybe by another company, but yes, I think it's been found, and hushed up.  (don't know why it won't let me put this below the quote box)
    Why do you think that?

    Look at how much money has been put into "finding a cure" .....  we put freaking astronauts on the moon.  We have a pill that will give a man an erection for 4 hours.  We have cars that are beginning to drive themselves.  We have stealth bombers and atomic bombs.  We have the ability to link into billions of phones and monitor calls. The CEO of SGK foundation makes $684,000 A YEAR.  We can transplant a heart, a lung, a kidney, you name it.   But we can't find a cure for cancer?    Nope, not buying it.
    do you realise how complicated cancer is? yes, they're getting closer to finding a cure every day. however, it's really implausible that a cure for cancer would be hidden by the US government. you do know that there is a world outside America right? the USA doesn't have the monopoly on world healthcare. in the UK, we're lucky enough to have universal healthcare for everyone who needs it, free of charge (yes, even homeless people can walk in and get treated). just because the healthcare system in the US is morally backwards, doesn't mean its the same everywhere else. 
    As a RN who works primarily with cancer patients I have to say that this OP made me laugh. I work with some of the best hematologists in the world and they are working every day to find a cure for cancer. The reason it has yet to be found is that cancer is always evolving and always changing. For instance, when I started nursing 6 years ago we used a particular type of chemo to treat AML...fast forward to 2 years ago and we no longer use that regimen routinely as it is no longer as effective. What does this mean? Cancer's can adapt and become immune to chemo, so what once worked my no longer work.

    And on top of that, one of the most effective treatments for many cancers is a stem cell transplant, which often times does "cure" the patient's cancer; however, these patients often end up suffering from post-transplant complications that many times take their lives. And here's the really shocking part: these patients are usually cancer free when they die. So, long story short, we can, at times, "cure" cancer so clearly we aren't hiding the cure somewhere...

    Sorry for the rant...this is a topic that is very near and dear to my heart.
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  • munsterdanimunsterdani member
    edited October 2013
    Where as I don't completely agree with "cancer cute hiding" poster... I do know that if you are in close proximity with someone going through chemo or any other kind of immune suppressing treatment... You're not supposed to get the flu shot. (Not supporting in the cancer hiding thing, but just saying we shouldn't be busting her for something like that) I don't think she meant it as a "I refuse vacs cause it's bad for my baby and stupid to save myself or baby from illness/disease".
    Actually, you SHOULD get the flu vac if you are in close proximity to someone who is immunosuppressed. (Immunosuppressed people shouldn't and often can't get them, however) You just can't get the LIVE VIRUS. I work with cancer patients and we are required to get the flu vac every year, as are all other HCWs who contact our patients. We also strongly urge our patients' caregivers to get them. 

    edit: sorry for all the nurse ranting...boring night at work! :)
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  • JessElam said:

    Regarding the "crazy Right Wingers" opposed to ACA - it's honestly less to do with the fact that it's providing healthcare to people.  Yes, everyone should have healthcare available to them - Republicans aren't all super wealthy or "uneducated red necks".  Me?  I'm more of Libertarian than Dem or Republican.  If anyone actually cared to listen to what they are really upset about - it's the fact that Americans are being forced by the government to have it.  The fact that the government is overextending their reach and forcing decisions on citizens - THAT is the argument.  The President extended the employer mandate to benefit businesses by a year to allow time for some of the kinks to get worked out.  Why can't he/Dem's extend the same delay to the individual mandate?  Give people the CHOICE to have the insurance don't force it on them.  If you don't have insurance then you will be fined.  Sure it's only like $100 now...but I would be willing to bet that in a few years when you still don't have as many people buying into Obamacare that they will raise those penalties to $300+.  


    It is also no secret that Obama AND the far left Dems (Like Old Man Reid) want to eventually drive our country to a single payer healthcare system.  Our government is already corrupt as hell and that would only lead to making our healthcare system political and corrupt.  Capitalism and free markets are what have made this country what it is now - the most powerful in the world.  Having competition in any industry is what keeps costs down.  

    I really cannot stand seeing how terribly divided and downright hateful out country has become.   

     
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  • IBackBevo said:
    awc1986 said:
    20% of my pay goes to my government. I think it's a small price to pay for guaranteed healthcare, education, policing and countless other public services. I hate this idea that universal healthcare will lead to some kind of communist state. No, it means you'll have fewer people living on the streets because they had to sell their house to pay for medical treatment. It creates a fairness in society that the conservative right wing are afraid of, because they believe it threatens their wealth.

    Crap. More than 20% of my pay goes to the government now!  And that doesn't include healthcare!

    I'm British. If you took a moment to read my earlier posts in this thread, you'd know that. So no, it's not crap. 20% of my pay goes to my government and it includes guaranteed universal healthcare. Sorry my government has given it's people a better deal since the end of WW2 than yours has.

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  • kedbsn said:
    IBackBevo said:
    awc1986 said:
    20% of my pay goes to my government. I think it's a small price to pay for guaranteed healthcare, education, policing and countless other public services. I hate this idea that universal healthcare will lead to some kind of communist state. No, it means you'll have fewer people living on the streets because they had to sell their house to pay for medical treatment. It creates a fairness in society that the conservative right wing are afraid of, because they believe it threatens their wealth.

    Crap. More than 20% of my pay goes to the government now!  And that doesn't include healthcare!

    I'm British. If you took a moment to read my earlier posts in this thread, you'd know that. So no, it's not crap. 20% of my pay goes to my government and it includes guaranteed universal healthcare. Sorry my government has given it's people a better deal since the end of WW2 than yours has.
    I think she is saying it like, crap we (Americans) are getting a shit deal here because we pay over 20% in taxes and that does not include healthcare.
    I appreciate your point, but if you read it again I think she misunderstood. It looks like she has assumed i'm in the US and i'm talking about my taxes going to the US government.

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    10/23/13 - 12wks 3d - Perfect NT scan! HB 167 & baby wriggling, waving & yawning!

    12/17/13 - 20wks 2 d - We're having a beautiful baby girl! Go Team Pink!

    05/03/14 - Bobbie Gloria was born at 39+6 weighing 6lb 14oz!

  • awc1986 said:
    kedbsn said:
    IBackBevo said:
    awc1986 said:
    20% of my pay goes to my government. I think it's a small price to pay for guaranteed healthcare, education, policing and countless other public services. I hate this idea that universal healthcare will lead to some kind of communist state. No, it means you'll have fewer people living on the streets because they had to sell their house to pay for medical treatment. It creates a fairness in society that the conservative right wing are afraid of, because they believe it threatens their wealth.

    Crap. More than 20% of my pay goes to the government now!  And that doesn't include healthcare!

    I'm British. If you took a moment to read my earlier posts in this thread, you'd know that. So no, it's not crap. 20% of my pay goes to my government and it includes guaranteed universal healthcare. Sorry my government has given it's people a better deal since the end of WW2 than yours has.
    I think she is saying it like, crap we (Americans) are getting a shit deal here because we pay over 20% in taxes and that does not include healthcare.
    I appreciate your point, but if you read it again I think she misunderstood. It looks like she has assumed i'm in the US and i'm talking about my taxes going to the US government.
    I read it the same way as kedbsn. I don't think she misunderstood at all.
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  • Also, this is not an UO, but i need to share that I want to gouge out the eyes of my 37 year old coworker who uses the word "retarded" on the reg to describe people's decisions or behaviors. I think I've basically lost all respect for her.
    Uh, do we work at the same place, because i have a person in my office who does the SAME thing! it blows my mind that she thinks it's an appropriate thing to say, not just in general, but at WORK!

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    That is NOT your baby. It's the freaking burrito you ate for lunch!

    I do love the word "blump" though. And I have posted  "blump" photo. :)
    I am showing and I assure you it isn't my lunch. STMs show much faster than FTMs
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  • IBackBevo said:

    @JessElam- I am not calling all Republicans crazy,right-wingers.  Or all Republicans who oppose the ACA crazy, right-wingers.  If you read my post, you would see that I was referring specifically to some of my friends/relatives who are crazy, right-wingers.  They are freaking "preppers" who are literally creating a compound out in west Texas, building a house with no windows and hoarding food, water and supplies to get ready for Armageddon.  They believe in chem trails, that Obama is the anti-christ and other crazy crap.  They are crazy, right-wingers.  If you are building a windowless house and believe that Obama is the anti-Christ, then I will call you one, too. Otherwise, I don't lump you in with them.

    As for the argument: I understand it. I don't agree with it. I believe in a thing called individual responsibility.  I believe that, yeah, the government does have a right to keep you from being a burden on the rest of society because of your own stupidity. I'm okay with things like laws requiring people to have car insurance if they drive, laws requiring motorcyclists to wear helmets and laws telling people they can't abuse their children, etc.  Because, in the end, these things do affect others...just like if you don't have health insurance and something goes wrong, it does affect society as a whole.  So if a person is too dumb to realize that as a responsible adult that they need insurance, then I am A-Okay with the government fining you some piddly amount for their stupidity.  Because, ultimately, if you get in a horrible wreck or get Cancer or end up with some other serious medical conditions and don't have insurance, you WILL get medical care even without...it will just result in the hospital eating the costs (or the government stepping in once your broke) that, in turn, results in higher healthcare costs to all of us and/or higher taxes. Because, quite frankly, we are paying for uninsured people to have healthcare NOW.  We are just paying horribly, horribly inefficiently!

    I'm sorry. I know this is yesterday's post. But I just had the pleasure to read this and I have to say that I want to LOVE IT a million times! Thank you for eloquently summing up exactly how I would respond to this argument. While I was reading JessElam's post, all I kept thinking was "You can't have your cake and eat it too."
  • awc1986 said:
    kedbsn said:
    IBackBevo said:
    awc1986 said:
    20% of my pay goes to my government. I think it's a small price to pay for guaranteed healthcare, education, policing and countless other public services. I hate this idea that universal healthcare will lead to some kind of communist state. No, it means you'll have fewer people living on the streets because they had to sell their house to pay for medical treatment. It creates a fairness in society that the conservative right wing are afraid of, because they believe it threatens their wealth.

    Crap. More than 20% of my pay goes to the government now!  And that doesn't include healthcare!

    I'm British. If you took a moment to read my earlier posts in this thread, you'd know that. So no, it's not crap. 20% of my pay goes to my government and it includes guaranteed universal healthcare. Sorry my government has given it's people a better deal since the end of WW2 than yours has.
    I think she is saying it like, crap we (Americans) are getting a shit deal here because we pay over 20% in taxes and that does not include healthcare.
    I appreciate your point, but if you read it again I think she misunderstood. It looks like she has assumed i'm in the US and i'm talking about my taxes going to the US government.
    I read it the same way as kedbsn. I don't think she misunderstood at all.
    Ditto. That's not remotely what @IBackBevo was saying.
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  • IBackBevoIBackBevo member
    edited October 2013
    awc1986 said:


    IBackBevo said:


    awc1986 said:

    20% of my pay goes to my government. I think it's a small price to pay for guaranteed healthcare, education, policing and countless other public services. I hate this idea that universal healthcare will lead to some kind of communist state. No, it means you'll have fewer people living on the streets because they had to sell their house to pay for medical treatment. It creates a fairness in society that the conservative right wing are afraid of, because they believe it threatens their wealth.


    Crap. More than 20% of my pay goes to the government now!  And that doesn't include healthcare!


    I'm British. If you took a moment to read my earlier posts in this thread, you'd know that. So no, it's not crap. 20% of my pay goes to my government and it includes guaranteed universal healthcare. Sorry my government has given it's people a better deal since the end of WW2 than yours has.


    No, I wasn't calling your post crap...I was saying: " oh crap. It sucks to be me because I pay that much in taxes and I don't have health care. " and I know you are in Britain. Im in texas. :/
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  • Not so unpopular, but I figured I would mention that I am now starting to not only see, but also understand, the frustration of duplicate posts.....and it does annoy me. A lot!
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  • Allibob said:



    Max Gerson went public with a cure for cancer in the 30's or 40's. It was nationally broadcasted after her took it to the US government. The next day, the broadcaster was fired. Max Gerson was poisoned more than once. There are several countries who have the Gerson institute, but not the US. The treatment consists of pure organic vegetarian diet and juicing with vitamin supplements and coffee enemas. No big Pharma necessary. This course of treatment has been banned in the United States. If I ever have the misfortune of getting cancer I'll be on my way to Mexico. I have Charlotte gerson's (max's daughter) book The Gerson Therapy and there are many documentaries and research articles about it. My UO: big Pharma is not in the businesses of finding cures but a pill for every ill.

    Shit, you mean if my vegetarian granny had only known about the coffee enemas she wouldn't have died of cancer?
    Didn't say that. This is just something that I've heard/read about that interests me. The documentary Food Matters is a good one to watch if you are curious. I just think I personally would try to go with an alternative treatment plan if I ever had the misfortune. Wasn't telling anyone else how to treat themselves or their loved ones.
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  • Where as I don't completely agree with "cancer cute hiding" poster... I do know that if you are in close proximity with someone going through chemo or any other kind of immune suppressing treatment... You're not supposed to get the flu shot. (Not supporting in the cancer hiding thing, but just saying we shouldn't be busting her for something like that) I don't think she meant it as a "I refuse vacs cause it's bad for my baby and stupid to save myself or baby from illness/disease".

    Actually, you SHOULD get the flu vac if you are in close proximity to someone who is immunosuppressed. (Immunosuppressed people shouldn't and often can't get them, however) You just can't get the LIVE VIRUS. I work with cancer patients and we are required to get the flu vac every year, as are all other HCWs who contact our patients. We also strongly urge our patients' caregivers to get them. 

    edit: sorry for all the nurse ranting...boring night at work! :)


    If you read a little farther you would've seen I corrected myself and realized I said it wrong. I had a huge brain fart and I actually knew that... So thanks I got it. wtf everyone needs to correct it over and over? Read a little more if you were that bored.
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  • Allibob said:



    Max Gerson went public with a cure for cancer in the 30's or 40's. It was nationally broadcasted after her took it to the US government. The next day, the broadcaster was fired. Max Gerson was poisoned more than once. There are several countries who have the Gerson institute, but not the US. The treatment consists of pure organic vegetarian diet and juicing with vitamin supplements and coffee enemas. No big Pharma necessary. This course of treatment has been banned in the United States. If I ever have the misfortune of getting cancer I'll be on my way to Mexico. I have Charlotte gerson's (max's daughter) book The Gerson Therapy and there are many documentaries and research articles about it. My UO: big Pharma is not in the businesses of finding cures but a pill for every ill.

    Shit, you mean if my vegetarian granny had only known about the coffee enemas she wouldn't have died of cancer?
    Didn't say that. This is just something that I've heard/read about that interests me. The documentary Food Matters is a good one to watch if you are curious. I just think I personally would try to go with an alternative treatment plan if I ever had the misfortune. Wasn't telling anyone else how to treat themselves or their loved ones.
    I appreciate that it's your life, but I honestly think this would be a really dumb thing to do. Cancer is an absolutely evil disease that can't be cured with "alternative therapy". You can do your best to encourage your body to heal itself, but ultimately you will need the drugs to coincide with this. I have a high chance of developing cancer, perhaps within the next 10 years (mum was 34 when diagnosed, I'm now 27). For the sake of my family I wouldn't want to mess around with alternative therapy.

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    10/23/13 - 12wks 3d - Perfect NT scan! HB 167 & baby wriggling, waving & yawning!

    12/17/13 - 20wks 2 d - We're having a beautiful baby girl! Go Team Pink!

    05/03/14 - Bobbie Gloria was born at 39+6 weighing 6lb 14oz!

  • I'm a cancer survivor and I don't think organic food would have saved my life. I thank the Big Drug companies everyday because I'm alive.
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