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utlawgirl · August 2013

lrachelle80 said:

KFED103 said:

Totally off topic but my UO is that I think breastfeeding past 1 year starts to get ify. Once the kid is over 2 I think it's completely disgusting. I know that the new opionion it to breastfeed until the kid wants to stop by once the kid has teeth and can talk it just seem very wrong to me!

Disgusting? Kinda harsh. I'm not saying I wouldn't side eye a 5 year old nursing, but saying iffy past 1 and disgusting past 2 seems extreme. There are plenty of nursing two year olds that probably just nurse before bedtime and that isn't exactly what i would define as disgusting. And the teeth argument really annoys me....my DS had about 10 teeth by 9 months and I BFd until 15 months. He knew I wasn't a chew toy, so I don't really get that argument.

I didn't even notice the teeth comment - S got his first teeth at 6 months, IIRC. That is the minimum timeframe for EBFing according to a lot of recommendations, and solids are only complementary after that. Why stop when I'd just have to switch to formula for the next six months?

And picky toddlers who don't want anything but bread are less stressful when they're still BFing ... Then at least I know he's getting something.

------------------------------------------ Agreed!! A girl on my July board's son got his first teeth at THREE months. Another didn't get teeth until like 14 months (I myself was a toothless one year old). I don't get the weird arbitrary thing about teeth. So the three month old should stop but the 14 month old could continue? They happen at a huge age range and don't signify anything. Same with talking. DD could sign milk at around 6 months (so "ask" for it) and it was one of her first words. Would you use those same guidelines for ceasing formula? No? Then why breast milk? Even the AAP says go til 2 or beyond if you want.

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IME, the people who say you shouldn't nurse once a baby has teeth tend to be people who haven't breastfed (or at least not for long). It really is not a big deal once they have teeth.

lp0 · August 2013

I stopped breast feeding DS at a year and felt it was good timing for us. Honestly I couldn't imagine bf'ing him much longer past that point but that's just me. I felt he was eating everything and anything in sight so he was able to get his nutrients from food sources. Also by 15 months he just seemed like such a "big boy" that it would have felt strange to me. That's just my perspective, to each their own.

northport6 · August 2013

utlawgirl said:

Loolaide said:

Yay for an awesome FFFC thread!

I missed the boat on the religious discussion, but my $0.02 is that I don't like people telling me that I have "no right" to do something to my own body (that was stated in the original post from nicholssquared) - I feel that people should have the right not just to legally refuse treatment, but also to take medication to end their suffering (I was one of those people who actually thought Kevorkian was doing a good thing).

I confess that I regularly forget how far along I am and only know because I have to look it up for the hdbd pictures, when I do them.

I also confess (as a response to a UO posted above) that I still breastfeed my 16-month-old. I don't find it weird at all. I, and some other friends with kids the same age, have noticed that it seems to comfort him and provide emotional support, which he really needs as a toddler. I originally wanted to wean sometime after a year, but also do don't offer/don't refuse. Continuing the bf relationship is totally up to him and I don't find it icky at all. Saying that is like saying hugging and kissing him is icky.

I love cake but have had none today.

Totally agree with all of this. I thought I'd want to wean DD after a year, but she nursed until she was 17 months and we both decided we were ready to stop. I don't think I'd want to BF past age 2 at all, but that's a personal decision.

And, apropos of nothing to this thread, your daughter is cute as a freaking button!

utlawgirl · August 2013

northport6 said:

utlawgirl said:

Loolaide said:

Yay for an awesome FFFC thread!

I missed the boat on the religious discussion, but my $0.02 is that I don't like people telling me that I have "no right" to do something to my own body (that was stated in the original post from nicholssquared) - I feel that people should have the right not just to legally refuse treatment, but also to take medication to end their suffering (I was one of those people who actually thought Kevorkian was doing a good thing).

I confess that I regularly forget how far along I am and only know because I have to look it up for the hdbd pictures, when I do them.

I also confess (as a response to a UO posted above) that I still breastfeed my 16-month-old. I don't find it weird at all. I, and some other friends with kids the same age, have noticed that it seems to comfort him and provide emotional support, which he really needs as a toddler. I originally wanted to wean sometime after a year, but also do don't offer/don't refuse. Continuing the bf relationship is totally up to him and I don't find it icky at all. Saying that is like saying hugging and kissing him is icky.

I love cake but have had none today.

Totally agree with all of this. I thought I'd want to wean DD after a year, but she nursed until she was 17 months and we both decided we were ready to stop. I don't think I'd want to BF past age 2 at all, but that's a personal decision.

And, apropos of nothing to this thread, your daughter is cute as a freaking button!

Why, thank you! I completely agree.

edenkeever · August 2013

I am totally late to the rest of this discussion...flew home to see my dad.

But I just want to say that God does not cause suffering...I do not believe in any way shape or form that suffering/illness/tragedy are a part of His plan. Bad things happen in this world because we live after the fall of man. Do I understand why God allows it to happen--no. That is one of those philosophical questions that humans may never be able to answer properly. But the loving, merciful God of the Bible that I choose to follow does not have this stuff as a part of His will for us. I have to believe, based on what i know to be true, that it breaks His heart to watch all that goes on in this world. Can He use bad situations and tragic events to make something positive come of it--absolutely and He has done it in my life time after time. But that in no way means that He caused the bad thing or willed it to happen.

I will put out there that Kirk Cameron (whether you like him or hate him) has a movie coming out next month that will deal with this exact topic. https://unstoppablethemovie.com/

That's my 2 cents. I just felt the need to throw that out there. I want people to know that not all Christians share the same views on the subject.

bunnybean · August 2013

nicholssquared said:

suzalie said:

I would say it's one thing if the person cannot survive without some kind of medical intervention. It's a choice to continue the medication/life support and the result of choosing not to may be the natural death of the person, but that's different to me than someone who is in pain because of a medical condition or age who can continue living but just doesn't want to. I don't see how them being in pain gives them any more the right to decide to take their life than someone who isn't, but is just unhappy or in a bad situation.
I think the difference is that if someone is unhappy or in a bad situation, there is treatment for that. It doesn't have to stay so terrible. If someone is living with chronic terrible pain or disease that will never get better or will get worse, I can totally see why they should have the right to choose to end the pain.

I can certainly respect your position, but I'll have to disagree because of my religious viewpoint.

As a Christian, my understanding is that our bodies were created by God for a purpose that only God knows, and even in our suffering and pain there is a greater reason or end which is ultimately good. To cut one's life short for whatever reason is to refuse to cooperate with God's plan for you and is sinfully disrespectful of Him. Furthermore, by our very nature we are all imperfect beings, but God calls for us to be perfect to be with Him, and in suffering there can be penance for one's imperfections - suffering can be spiritually healing.

At this point, I'm really only posting this out of a sense of obligation to explain my faith. As I've already said, I respect your position and I'm not trying to persuade/convert you by explaining this.

Okay, so let's get this straight. God makes us and makes us imperfect. But he really wants us to be perfect, so he makes us suffer to get there?

Sorry, in my book that makes God a giant sadistic dickhole.

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