Who has transverse / breech LO's?

PrettyInPearls23 · August 2013

:::raises hand::::

This guy has been breech since our 20 week u/s and was transverse at my last (34 week) appt. He goes from being completely transferse to having his head lodged in my ribs. My OB says she can try to manually manipulate him at my 37 week appt if he's still not head-down and then hope he stays that way.

Anyone else dealing with the possibility of a c-section but it hasn't been confirmed yet?

And yes, I know he still has time to flip, I'm just trying to mentally prepare myself for the possibility of a c-section, especially since I was hoping for another med-free birth experience this time around.

kelizr · August 2013

Mines been breech since somewhere bttw 20 and 28 weeks. Never goes transverse. Doc said its my choice to try the external next week, but I'm not planning to... Too many risks for me. He isn't very hopeful that she'll move based on her position and how she seems wedged. If things are status quo on Friday at my ultrasound a CS will be schedule for the 3rd. I'm fine with this, yet it bothers me all the same! I feel like I'm missing out on birthing her, but this seems like less labor pain. But with the CS the healing is longer and I would be separated from her and DH for 1 1/2- 2 hours. I have mixed feelings, but she will come when it's time and in the way she's meant to come....

PrettyInPearls23 · August 2013

My OB is optimistic that since he has a lot of fluid (her words) he's just playing around in there and hasn't picked a position yet. We'll see.

I'm kind of terrified for her to try to manually manipulate his position though.

KMD1106 · August 2013

Baby is breech still as far as I know. They'll check again tomorrow. Doctors aren't hopeful that he/she will flip because baby is already 7 lbs. Our c-section is scheduled at 39 weeks for the 23rd.

ETA: We opted out of the external version. I was not ok with the idea of pushing on my baby just so I can have the labor I prefer, and because it isn't very successful. I have been doing some spinningbabies exercises though.

jdebaie · August 2013

Yup, had my 37 week ultrasound yesterday and found out that she is still breech. I was really hoping she would turn when we found out she was breech at 32 weeks and now I'm kind of freaking out that a c-section is something to consider at this point. I meet with my doctor next Wednesday to discuss options but I think I'm still in a bit of shock because I convinced myself she would flip!

Shanmarie1083 · August 2013

Mine was still breech at 34 weeks. Are you trying any flipping exercises? I was and sure enough by 36 weeks she was head down and so far has stayed that way. I don't know if it was the exercises or if she just did it on her own, but it's certainly worth a try.

There is also acupuncture and the Webster technique a Chiro can try which have proven to be highly successful.

PrettyInPearls23 · August 2013

Shanmarie1083 said:

Mine was still breech at 34 weeks. Are you trying any flipping exercises? I was and sure enough by 36 weeks she was head down and so far has stayed that way. I don't know if it was the exercises or if she just did it on her own, but it's certainly worth a try.

There is also acupuncture and the Webster technique a Chiro can try which have proven to be highly successful.

I haven't yet, but have just started reading up on some of them. Any ones you did you'd care to share?

The more reading I'm doing about external manipulation, the more I'm leaning towards not having my OB go that route. It just seems too risky (and painful!) for only an average of a 65% success rate.

docco11 · August 2013

Our LO has been transverse since day 1. She seems quite content in this position! I have been seeing a Chiropractor trained in the Webster technique to get her to flip for about 3 weeks and she isn't budging. I think he is starting to lose hope too.

I do not have very much fluid and was told last week that it's working against me. I am going to give it one more week, if she doesn't flip, I am going to prepare for a csection.

eyris · August 2013

I found out last week at my 35 week appointment that the little guy was frank breech.

I've been doing pretty much everything on the list from spinningbabies.com including seeing a chiropractor for Webster technique. She told me that a lot of her patients see their babies flip around 37 weeks for whatever reason, maybe breech babies are just stubborn procrastinators.

Trying to stay positive that he will flip by my appointment this Thursday, otherwise my doctor wants to pick a c-section date for 39 weeks. I'm really not comfortable with scheduling for 39 weeks (if everything other than position is good with the baby, which it has been), I'd rather wait longer or wait until I go into labor if it comes down to it, so we shall see how that appointment goes.

Shanmarie1083 · August 2013

PrettyInPearls23 said:

Shanmarie1083 said:

Mine was still breech at 34 weeks. Are you trying any flipping exercises? I was and sure enough by 36 weeks she was head down and so far has stayed that way. I don't know if it was the exercises or if she just did it on her own, but it's certainly worth a try.

There is also acupuncture and the Webster technique a Chiro can try which have proven to be highly successful.

I haven't yet, but have just started reading up on some of them. Any ones you did you'd care to share?
The more reading I'm doing about external manipulation, the more I'm leaning towards not having my OB go that route. It just seems too risky (and painful!) for only an average of a 65% success rate.

I did inversions for 1 minute 2-3x per day

Lots of cat/cow pose

Sat on my birth ball pretty much anytime I was watching TV or at least an hour a day.

Ice packs on my upper belly and a flashlight on my lower belly at the same time.

Check out spinningbabies.com

I wasn't brave enough to try a lot of the upside down stuff, but the inversions were easy enough to do.

I think the most important thing is avoid reclining with your hips higher than your chest. If you want to rest then you should lie down on your left side or sit upright with your feet only slightly elevated.

Also once you get confirmation that baby has flipped to vertex, stop those exercises and walk, walk, walk! It will help baby's head settle down in the pelvis making it much harder for them to flip back. Plus it gets them better engaged for labor and helps you begin to dilate.

Good luck!

a2003tiger · August 2013

I'm sort of in that boat. LO was frank breech at my 32 week u/s. Since then, my chiropractors have been working extra hard to get him/her to turn (I highly recommend chiropractic care for this!). We all, including my OB, feel that LO may now be head down, but I won't have another u/s to confirm until next week. As a VBAC hopeful, I would be crushed if baby stayed breech.

amief · August 2013

Another breech baby here... He's been breech for a long while. We go tomorrow to confirm he is still breech and schedule the C Section. We are leaning against a version due to his size, and position... apparently the likelihood of success if pretty low for me.

ETA: I tried a lot of the spinning babies exercises, music, lights, etc as well... unfortunately no luck.

kennazebrowsky · August 2013

Our girl has been breech for some time now which is one of the reasons I have been so uncomfortable. We don't have time to flip though because of the pre-e crap. Going in today for more blood work and supposed to be scheduling our csection for some time this week.

JocelynB0911 · August 2013

*sigh* I do now. Baby A has been vertex (like a good child) for awhile ago and two weeks ago when I was initially put on HBR they did an ultrasound. It showed baby B was vertex oblique which was great! FF to today, he wiggled his was to transverse. Luckily his head is by Baby A's feet so I *hope* he will just follow the leader out, if not the peris are prepared for a breech extraction.

JocelynB0911 · August 2013

Happy_Yahoo_Personaler said:

Both girls are breech and head-to-head, right on top of each other. Definitely getting a C-section since there is almost no way they will have enough room to turn around.

Dont give up hope! My guy flipped over the weekend. Painful? Kind of but he still did it, albeit not to the correct position.

VitaLuna · August 2013

Frank breech over here, since 20wks. I've been trying breech tilts, just started going to the chiro yesterday for Webster technique, but I will only be able to make it to 4 of the recommended 6 appts, at not with ideal timing (I have a week between one of them). My MW is not very optimistic, since my AFI is low and she doesn't have as much of a pool to turn around in.

As much as I try to mentally prepare myself for it, I would be pretty devastated to have a c/s. If she doesn't turn in 2 weeks, they said they could try an ECV, which I was on board with, but now I'm starting to question because I'm really concerned about the stress on baby and the possibility of a cord accident during or sometime after (even though I haven't done research on that part of it). I just REALLY really hope this girl turns so I can stop stressing about it.

JocelynB0911 · August 2013

VitaLuna said:

Frank breech over here, since 20wks. I've been trying breech tilts, just started going to the chiro yesterday for Webster technique, but I will only be able to make it to 4 of the recommended 6 appts, at not with ideal timing (I have a week between one of them). My MW is not very optimistic, since my AFI is low and she doesn't have as much of a pool to turn around in.
As much as I try to mentally prepare myself for it, I would be pretty devastated to have a c/s. If she doesn't turn in 2 weeks, they said they could try an ECV, which I was on board with, but now I'm starting to question because I'm really concerned about the stress on baby and the possibility of a cord accident during or sometime after (even though I haven't done research on that part of it). I just REALLY really hope this girl turns so I can stop stressing about it.

I spit out my water, I will send you the bill if my keyboard takes a crap. Also, the Webster technique worked after my first visit. **fingerscrossed for you**

SoCalBrandi · August 2013

Found out at 32wks our lil lady is breech. I'll be 34wks on Fri so still time to move but to give she/I the best chance of changing positions we're trying moxibustion. My OB says she doesn't even start considering position until wk 37 but my acupuncturist said if possible it's best to start the moxibustion at wk 34. Saw acupuncturist last night for day 1 of an easy 10 day routine. Will also be starting some of the positions OP haver ruined & listed on spinning babies. Good luck to us all!

VitaLuna · August 2013

@shanmarie1083: what position is best to sit in? I have heard a lot about how you sit being good/bad, but not what is actually a good or bad position. I usually sit with my feet on the floor, semi-reclined on the couch.

@SoCalBrandi: I asked several midwives (including mine) and they all recommended starting breech techniques (like tilts, Webster, etc) at ~34wks. Earlier than that, they're more likely to flip back, later than that, and you don't have as much time to get them to try to turn before the 36-37wk time frame that they'll do an ECV (if that's what you choose) or sched a c/s.

eyris · August 2013

VitaLuna said:

Frank breech over here, since 20wks. I've been trying breech tilts, just started going to the chiro yesterday for Webster technique, but I will only be able to make it to 4 of the recommended 6 appts, at not with ideal timing (I have a week between one of them). My MW is not very optimistic, since my AFI is low and she doesn't have as much of a pool to turn around in.
As much as I try to mentally prepare myself for it, I would be pretty devastated to have a c/s. If she doesn't turn in 2 weeks, they said they could try an ECV, which I was on board with, but now I'm starting to question because I'm really concerned about the stress on baby and the possibility of a cord accident during or sometime after (even though I haven't done research on that part of it). I just REALLY really hope this girl turns so I can stop stressing about it.

I'm pretty much in the same position - though my doctor said she won't even try a version unless my fluid levels are higher (they were a 7 at my last appointment but I think I was dehydrated).

Trying everything and feeling hopeful about the Webster technique, my chiro said she's only had a few babies not turn and she does 2-3 a month for the last 15 years. Fingers crossed, like you I'm going to be devastated if I end up needing a c-section. Not looking forward to trying to come to grips with that at all.

prayin&dreamin · August 2013

Breech baby here with little odds of turning by Friday. Decided against the external because of risk to placenta. Due to my high BP they are taking her at 37 weeks because they are already concerned about my placenta holding out.

Shanmarie1083 · August 2013

@vitaluna I'm not an expert on the subject but my midwife and spinning babies both recommend avoiding reclining for both breech and posterior presentations. Doing so creates sort of a "hammock" that baby gets comfortable in and it makes it harder for them to turn. Luckily this is easy for me to comply with because I feel like I can't breathe if I recline back.

I was told to sit upright as much as possible and not to let the legs get higher than the hips. If you put your feet up they should be no more than hip level, not stacked high on pillows. Sitting on a birthing ball is great for posture/positioning but also to open the hips and pelvis up for labor. I sit on mine for at least an hour a day while watching TV.

Mom38673 · August 2013

kelizr said:

Mines been breech since somewhere bttw 20 and 28 weeks. Never goes transverse. Doc said its my choice to try the external next week, but I'm not planning to... Too many risks for me. He isn't very hopeful that she'll move based on her position and how she seems wedged. If things are status quo on Friday at my ultrasound a CS will be schedule for the 3rd. I'm fine with this, yet it bothers me all the same! I feel like I'm missing out on birthing her, but this seems like less labor pain. But with the CS the healing is longer and I would be separated from her and DH for 1 1/2- 2 hours. I have mixed feelings, but she will come when it's time and in the way she's meant to come....

This was the exact situation of my first. I remember the day she "tried" to turn. Incredibly painful! Just no room left. I had a very healthy girl. That's what mattered.

VitaLuna · August 2013

@eyeris: I'm in the same positing with low fluid. Fingers crossed for both of us.

@shanmarie1083: did you know when baby finally turned? I'm worried I won't know and will make it worse by still doing the breech exercises. My next u/s and appt isn't for 2wks

Shanmarie1083 · August 2013

@vitaluna She turned sometime around 35 weeks. I had a pretty good idea when it happened because of where I felt kicks and where I felt hiccups. I also found the heartbeat below my belly button using my home doppler. Sure enough at my next appointment the midwife confirmed her head was in my pelvis and her butt was up against my ribs.

One way my MW told me to check was to look for the hardest lump and lightly push on it (while baby is awake) and if it moves independently without feeling any other part of baby move then it is likely the head. If it moves and you also feel other movements (like the legs kicking) with it then it is likely the butt. If that makes sense.

NNGnome · August 2013

DS2 has been breech for weeks now, he moves to transverse at night, but then just pops his head straight back up again when I get up, just like his brother he is Frank Breech, which means the legs are up with his feet by his head, which is the least likely to flip. With DS1 we tried the moxibustion with no luck, but he was born at 36 weeks, so he may have flipped later, with this LO, we are hoping to make 38-39 weeks (C-section is currently scheduled for 39 but may be moved forward), I am starting spinning babies this week to see if he turns, but I don't hold out much hope, a version is out for me as there is a risk of bleeding and I am already high risk due to the risk of DS2 being anaemic.

Bump Lori · August 2013

My older son was frank breech. He never turned. I opted not to try the version and went with a C-section, also due to preeclampsia. Everyone turned out fine! Best of luck to you.

OliveMom3 · August 2013

::raises hand, sighs in distress:::
My doc had been unsure of the position for a couple weeks and so sent me for a u/s which confirmed breech, yesterday. After some discussion I've agreed to a ECV which is scheduled for this afternoon. I'm a little nervous, TBH, but from the YouTube clips online and from a few personal anecdotes its not too painful and generally doesn't last too long. After doing lots of research, IMO the potential benefits outweigh the risks. I have no other risk factors.

Wish me luck ladies.

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