TDAP

mommygrams0730 · August 2013

With my dd I got the vaccination right after she was born and then she got her first dose during her 1st set of vaccinations.

Now "they're" saying to get it while pregnant so that the baby can receive some of the vaccine inutero.

I've read a little bit from Dr. Sears perspective and I'm not one who gets too concerned about vaccinations. My kids usually get them on time. I'm not a big flu shot person, I just never have been.

So I'm just not sure I want to do the TDAP when pregnant. I know they won't force me, but I feel like changes come out and dr's automatically recommend the new vaccination without weighing in on it. As of now I think I want to wait...what's everyone else doing?

bethughknee · August 2013

I got TDAP because I was due for it. TDAP is inactivated so it doesn't pose the same threat that a live vaccine could. (Even a live vaccine isn't guaranteed to cause an issue. It's just contraindicated.) I'm not a huge fan of "new reports" on vaccines either because like you said, the opinion seems to change continually.

For me, the tetanus was the most important. I didn't want to refuse the vaccine and then be the dummy who got a tetanus infection while pregnant. (That would be my luck!) The pertussis was also important to me. I'm not quite as concerned about contracting diptheria...

DH got a TDAP too at the recommendation of my OB.

mommygrams0730 · August 2013

Thanks for the info.

I just got it last may (2012) when dd was born, and I have no issues getting it again, but just not sure if I want to get it while pregnant.

peanutmuse · August 2013

I am absolutely getting the TDAP later in my pregnancy, as well as the flu shot. I am not messing around with pertussis, hell no.

(I am 110% anti-anti-vax and pro-flu shot, FTR.)

ac1259 · August 2013

How old is your DD? I also had my TDAP after DD was born but that was last year....I'm pretty sure TDAP lasts 10 years so you wouldn't need another one if DD was under 10. They shouldn't do another one way early for you since you should still have the antibodies in your system baby should receive those antibodies. I don't know if this helps at all or if I'm just misunderstanding, but I just figured I'd mention it.

mommygrams0730 · August 2013

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/674147

Here's an article regarding why to wait until after pregnancy to get the TDAP. I'm actually pro-vacination. I have no issues getting the TDAP, but do I need it when pregnant? I see that we should get it every year, if I got it in may 2012 then shouldn't that be enough until after this baby is born?

SunflowersBride · August 2013

I think getting the TDAP while pregnant is actually a great idea. The baby is then already born with protection so you don't have to worry right away about pertussis. And, totally agree with Peanut, that is definitely not something to mess around with. And, I also am not a big flu shot person. I got the flu shot for the first time this past winter because my GYN had recommended it while TTC. I am not sure I have actually ever had the flu, so I never thought it was totally necessary. But you better believe that I will be getting another flu shot this upcoming fall and from now on with kid(s) in the house.

mommygrams0730 · August 2013

ac1259 said:
How old is your DD? I also had my TDAP after DD was born but that was last year....I'm pretty sure TDAP lasts 10 years so you wouldn't need another one if DD was under 10. They shouldn't do another one way early for you since you should still have the antibodies in your system baby should receive those antibodies. I don't know if this helps at all or if I'm just misunderstanding, but I just figured I'd mention it.

Ok that's what I was wondering. I just got it 15 months ago, I think they want me to get another one while pregnant more for the baby?

Thanks for all the response, it's very informative to see other views and thoughts!!

peanutmuse · August 2013

mommy grams said:

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/674147 Here's an article regarding why to wait until after pregnancy to get the TDAP. I'm actually pro-vacination. I have no issues getting the TDAP, but do I need it when pregnant? I see that we should get it every year, if I got it in may 2012 then shouldn't that be enough until after this baby is born?

This is an editorial, not a medical journal article. If you're going to post articles and present them as some sort of "proof," please at least make sure that they are legitimate medical articles with academic research that have been peer-reviewed. Otherwise, it's all just opinion. Period.

ac1259 · August 2013

mommy grams said:

How old is your DD? I also had my TDAP after DD was born but that was last year....I'm pretty sure TDAP lasts 10 years so you wouldn't need another one if DD was under 10. They shouldn't do another one way early for you since you should still have the antibodies in your system baby should receive those antibodies. I don't know if this helps at all or if I'm just misunderstanding, but I just figured I'd mention it.
Ok that's what I was wondering. I just got it 15 months ago, I think they want me to get another one while pregnant more for the baby? Thanks for all the response, it's very informative to see other views and thoughts!!

Yeah I don't think it would do any good to get more for the baby. When I was working at a hospital instead of just giving us extra vaccines that were unnecessary they checked antibody titers to see if you were still immune to the diseases that vaccine works for. Could you ask your OB to just check titers and make sure your immune because I feel like having it again isn't really useful if you're already immune.

peanutmuse · August 2013

I missed the line in your first post about getting it right after your DD was born. That does seem strange that they would want you to get it again so soon. Sorry for the reading fail on that part of the thread!

When I am cranky and then start missing things in posts, that's when I know it's time for me to rest.

ETA: After reading the research, I would personally get the vaccine with every pregnancy.

MrsGraham06 · August 2013

I'm not a vaccine person, I HATE needles, but my DH got pertussis at like 2 or 3 weeks old (they give the vaccine to babies at 6 weeks). I was told it was horrible. Since then, he has been prone to respiratory infections (mostly bronchitis and chest colds, but he got pneumonia really bad too). The OB office where I'm at recommends the vaccine at the 28-week labs, so I'll already be getting poked and stuff (NOT happy...really not happy). My OB also recommended that anyone who will be in close contact should also get it, so as to lessen the risk of baby being exposed early. So, me, DH, grandparents, etc.

bethughknee · August 2013

mommy grams said:

Ok that's what I was wondering. I just got it 15 months ago, I think they want me to get another one while pregnant more for the baby? Thanks for all the response, it's very informative to see other views and thoughts!!

This is new to me, but the CDC website does say they recommend that women get a Tdap with each pregnancy. I thought it was just once. Learn something new everyday! This may be why your doc is recommending it again.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/pertussis/#vacc

forevergraceful · August 2013

bethughknee said:

mommy grams said:

Ok that's what I was wondering. I just got it 15 months ago, I think they want me to get another one while pregnant more for the baby? Thanks for all the response, it's very informative to see other views and thoughts!!

This is new to me, but the CDC website does say they recommend that women get a Tdap with each pregnancy. I thought it was just once. Learn something new everyday! This may be why your doc is recommending it again.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/pertussis/#vacc

Yup, I just had one last year to catch up on all my vaccines, and I'll be getting another.

Shayliz · August 2013

I got the TDAP with my last pregnancy and will likely be getting it again even though it hasn't yet been a year. As someone linked above, CDC now recommends TDaP with every pregnancy.

adunkin · August 2013

We'll both be getting it (even though I just got it last year). If given while pregnant, it protects newborns. It's a serious (potentially deadly for infants) illness and too many states are having epidemic level outbreaks each year.

DH's family lives in a state with major pertussis outbreaks every year and they are very anti-vac. There's no way in hell I'd convince them to get it before holding LO. But there's no way I want LO potentially exposed without any protection.

mommygrams0730 · August 2013

@peanutmuse, I'm glad you pointed out it was an editorial because it made me dig in to see what is out there in regards to the vaccination while pregnant!

Everything I find says that it can be done in late during pregnancy regardless of when the last shot was. I posted this editorial from dr sears bc he is widely known for wanting to delay vaccinations, so while it may not be "proof" he is a very well known md who is informed on vacinations. As I mentioned I'm not against them, but sometimes I think we tend to jump the gun and with all the pertussis cases lately I can see why we are ready to vaccinate more.

So all I could find about whopping cough and vaccinating is this article about how you can do everything right in vaccinating and your choke could still get whooping cough.

https://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/updatedThe-Vitamin-C-Treatment-of-Whooping-Cough-10-5+doc-1.pdf

I'm still glad to see responses and viewpoints of what others are doing and why. I myself am just not sure how much research truly supports everything being on ok in getting the shot when pregnant...however sometimes benefits outweigh the risks. I also think it's a bit funny bc some ppl will be appalled that women would just get the shot without another thought bc the CDC says it's ok, yet others are appalled that women wouldn't get the shot to help their child before they are able to get their own set of vaccinations. Lol.

ETA: this link is from an anti-vaccination organization.

peanutmuse · August 2013

mommy grams said:

@peanutmuse, I'm glad you pointed out it was an editorial because it made me dig in to see what is out there in regards to the vaccination while pregnant! Everything I find says that it can be done in late during pregnancy regardless of when the last shot was. I posted this editorial from dr sears bc he is widely known for wanting to delay vaccinations, so while it may not be "proof" he is a very well known md who is informed on vacinations. As I mentioned I'm not against them, but sometimes I think we tend to jump the gun and with all the pertussis cases lately I can see why we are ready to vaccinate more. So all I could find about whopping cough and vaccinating is this article about how you can do everything right in vaccinating and your choke could still get whooping cough. https://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/updatedThe-Vitamin-C-Treatment-of-Whooping-Cough-10-5+doc-1.pdf I'm still glad to see responses and viewpoints of what others are doing and why. I myself am just not sure how much research truly supports everything being on ok in getting the shot when pregnant...however sometimes benefits outweigh the risks. I also think it's a bit funny bc some ppl will be appalled that women would just get the shot without another thought bc the CDC says it's ok, yet others are appalled that women wouldn't get the shot to help their child before they are able to get their own set of vaccinations. Lol.

Again, you have to be extremely careful in your research. The Vaccination Council is an anti-vax organization. Mommy grams, I really think you need to be aware of what you are reading for research purposes. This organization has an extreme bias. Here is info from their website about their organization: https://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/about/

gingerbabe · August 2013

I personally would not get them again just for the possibility of it going through the uterus and vaccinating baby a little. There is not enough research yet to back that up. Now, if you are due for a TDAP booster, then do it. But don't get it if you are not in need of a booster shot! I just got my booster right after DS was born, 1 year ago (didn't do it while pg because I kept forgetting!), so I will not need a booster for 9 more years, and I don't plan to get one until then!

Piach · August 2013

I believe that the new recommendations are to recieve TDAP in the third trimester with each pregnancy, regardless of when you had your last shot. This recommendation is solely for the baby (passes on antibodies in utero).

My OB recommended it along with the flu shot and I will follow her advice. Pertussis outbreaks were really bad when DD was born, but has gone done that last coulple of winters, but I would rather error on the side of caution.

Deblondie1 · August 2013

I had heard this yet. I got it right after DD was born also, 2 years ago. So I am not due for a booster. I will NOT be getting an extra shot on a maybe. I'll get my flu shot and that's it, same as with DD. but if you are due the booster, and it's safe, then get the booster.

mommygrams0730 · August 2013

Why does it have to be all or nothing? Why can't reading articles and taking what you want for it be gaining information? I never meant to make it or endorse something extreme as anti-vacinations.

All CDC views point towards getting the vaccine. All I wanted to do was show another viewpoint. CDC would be considered pro-vaccination...that doesn't mean that I agree with everything they put out there. I don't agree with not vaccinating children or adults, but I don't censor where I find info....however, I have edited to disclaim that the web page is from an anti-vacination organization.

peanutmuse · August 2013

gingerbabe said:

I personally would not get them again just for the possibility of it going through the uterus and vaccinating baby a little. There is not enough research yet to back that up. Now, if you are due for a TDAP booster, then do it. But don't get it if you are not in need of a booster shot! I just got my booster right after DS was born, 1 year ago (didn't do it while pg because I kept forgetting!), so I will not need a booster for 9 more years, and I don't plan to get one until then!

Yeah, why the heck would you want to do something that might help your baby and has zero negative effect on you?

Yup, makes total sense.

forevergraceful · August 2013

gingerbabe said:

I personally would not get them again just for the possibility of it going through the uterus and vaccinating baby a little. There is not enough research yet to back that up. Now, if you are due for a TDAP booster, then do it. But don't get it if you are not in need of a booster shot! I just got my booster right after DS was born, 1 year ago (didn't do it while pg because I kept forgetting!), so I will not need a booster for 9 more years, and I don't plan to get one until then!

I think the whole point is so that it does vaccinate the baby while in utero.

ChuggingWater · August 2013

:::scribbles this down to talk to OBGYN about::::

What about your husbands? Other kids? Family members? Are you encouraging them to get it?

I will be getting it, and probably making H, but I am just wondering about the 6-year-old germ bucket in my house? Will he need one?

Deblondie1 · August 2013

@ChuggingWater I think the initial vaccination is good for 10 years (someone correct me if not) so your DS should be fine. MH is current because he is active duty military. But if YH isn't I would suggest him getting the booster before LO is born. Whooping cough is no joke to newborns. My parents came out after E was born and I asked them to make sure their's was up to date also, just in case. I am a professed Paranoid Patty though. If people were going to be around E before she got her first couple vaccinations I made sure they were up to date.

ChuggingWater · August 2013

I don't want to discuss how out of date mine was when I finally got it! I am going to go hassle my husband about his.

(Age 13-28?) OMGah.

nbbride06 · August 2013

This is a very new recommendation. With my pregnancy with DD 2.5 years ago, they wouldn't let me get TDAP while pregnant because there weren't any studies done. So, IMO, there can't possibly be enough studies done in the past 2.5 years to make me, personally, feel comfortable with receiving the vaccine (again), while pregnant. This LO will get the TDAP vaccine at 8 weeks as the CDC recommends and has been recommending for over 20 years, and prior to that we will stay away from crowded places, planes, etc. I am all for vaccination, but not until there is enough research done to make me comfortable with the recommendations which are often changing.

peanutmuse · August 2013

mommy grams said:

Why does it have to be all or nothing? Why can't reading articles and taking what you want for it be gaining information? I never meant to make it or endorse something extreme as anti-vacinations. All CDC views point towards getting the vaccine. All I wanted to do was show another viewpoint. CDC would be considered pro-vaccination...that doesn't mean that I agree with everything they put out there. I don't agree with not vaccinating children or adults, but I don't censor where I find info....however, I have edited to disclaim that the web page is from an anti-vacination organization.

The CDC is not a vehicle specifically created to promote vaccinations. That is not the purpose of the organization. However, the stated purpose of the Vaccination Council is to argue against vaccines. Do you understand the difference?

nbbride06 · August 2013

Just an FYI - pulled directly off the CDC website.

"Studies have shown that when the source of pertussis was identified, mothers were responsible for 30–40% of infant infections."

peanutmuse · August 2013

To clarify, the CDC's mission is as follows: CDC′s Mission is to collaborate to create the expertise, information, and tools that people and communities need to protect their health – through health promotion, prevention of disease, injury and disability, and preparedness for new health threats.

The Vaccination Council's mission is "to counter the messages asserted by pharm companies, the govt, and medical agencies that vaccines are safe, effective, and harmless."

Those are two very different goals.

to counter the messages asserted by pharmaceutical companies, the government and medical agencies that vaccines are safe, effective and harmless. - See more at: https://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/about/#sthash.szKinZZK.dpuf

The International Medical Council on Vaccination is an association of medical doctors, registered nurses and other qualified medical professionals whose purpose is to counter the messages asserted by pharmaceutical companies, the government and medical agencies that vaccines are safe, effective and harmless. Our conclusions have been reached individually by each member of the Council, after thousands of hours of personal research, study and observation. - See more at: https://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/about/#sthash.szKinZZK.dpuf

nbbride06 · August 2013

Also from the CDC website:

"Transplacental transfer of maternal pertussis antibodies from mother to infant may provide protection against pertussis in early life, before beginning the primary DTaP series. There is evidence of efficient transplacental transfer of pertussis antibodies to infants. The effectiveness of maternal antibodies in preventing infant pertussis is not yet known, but pertussis antibodies can protect against some disease and the severe outcomes that come along with it. And, a woman vaccinated with Tdap vaccine during pregnancy will also herself be protected at time of delivery and will be less likely to transmit pertussis to her newborn infant."

So, you MAY be transferring antibodies. They don't really know yet. Do your own research and to each their own.

Shayliz · August 2013

ChuggingWater said:

:::scribbles this down to talk to OBGYN about::::

What about your husbands? Other kids? Family members? Are you encouraging them to get it?

I will be getting it, and probably making H, but I am just wondering about the 6-year-old germ bucket in my house? Will he need one?

My husband did get it because he hadn't had a booster in over 15 years, if ever. 6 year old, if they are up to date on their vaccines, I'd assume they have the proper TDaP but worth an ask to the pedi!

We asked our family members who would be visited for an extended period of time to get the vaccine, but I didn't require/ask to see their vaccination record.

MrsGraham06 · August 2013

:::scribbles this down to talk to OBGYN about::::

What about your husbands? Other kids? Family members? Are you encouraging them to get it?

I will be getting it, and probably making H, but I am just wondering about the 6-year-old germ bucket in my house? Will he need one?

*************

My OB recommends that anyone who will be in close contact with the child should get it. But good question about other kids in the house; I have a 6, 5, and a 2 year old.

mommygrams0730 · August 2013

@peanutmuse yes I see the difference as one is trying to specifically prove the other one wrong. Their mission statement is clear that they are actively out to prove govt health wrong. The CDC is to promote health. Each group will still provide what they can to to support their viewpoint. Since the CDC says their research for vax says its ok that's what they will promote. Vax council will obviously be providing what they can to support the opposite. I simply meant that having information for different sources will develop ones opinion.

I do think its important that it should be known the link was from a very anti-vax organization so that the bias is made aware.

peanutmuse · August 2013

mommy grams said:

@peanutmuse yes I see the difference as one is trying to specifically prove the other one wrong.

That's not exactly what I meant. Perhaps it's too subtle.

bethughknee · August 2013

nbbride06 said:

This is a very new recommendation. With my pregnancy with DD 2.5 years ago, they wouldn't let me get TDAP while pregnant because there weren't any studies done. So, IMO, there can't possibly be enough studies done in the past 2.5 years to make me, personally, feel comfortable with receiving the vaccine (again), while pregnant. This LO will get the TDAP vaccine at 8 weeks as the CDC recommends and has been recommending for over 20 years, and prior to that we will stay away from crowded places, planes, etc. I am all for vaccination, but not until there is enough research done to make me comfortable with the recommendations which are often changing.

I hate that it's new. That everything is always new. Blech. If I were in your shoes, I'm not sure I'd get it again so soon, either. I'm a germaphobe with mixed feelings on our vaccine culture. I know I'll be keeping LO away from crowded places for a while because the poor thing will get here during the height of flu season, anyway.

mommygrams0730 · August 2013

peanutmuse said:

mommy grams said:

@peanutmuse yes I see the difference as one is trying to specifically prove the other one wrong.

That's not exactly what I meant. Perhaps it's too subtle.

Lol, I was actually just kind of condensing to fit our topic to address the CDC issue.

Knowledge is power so it's important to put it out there, whether people agree on everything it not.

gingerbabe · August 2013

peanutmuse said:

gingerbabe said:

I personally would not get them again just for the possibility of it going through the uterus and vaccinating baby a little. There is not enough research yet to back that up. Now, if you are due for a TDAP booster, then do it. But don't get it if you are not in need of a booster shot! I just got my booster right after DS was born, 1 year ago (didn't do it while pg because I kept forgetting!), so I will not need a booster for 9 more years, and I don't plan to get one until then!

Yeah, why the heck would you want to do something that might help your baby and has zero negative effect on you?

Yup, makes total sense.

Well it seems to be very new studies, so what if there are negative effects towards the baby that we don't yet know about? I'm all for vaccines. In fact I wish more adults and kids stayed updated on vaccines so as to protect these newborns who are not yet fully vaccinated. I just don't like the idea of getting a vaccine while pg just in case it may, although no evidence has proven, give the baby some antibodies. The reason I would do it while pg if I was due for a booster is because it does indeed, for fact, protect the baby after born if you are vaccinated from it. Even if I was 5-8 years past receiving my TDaP I may get the booster anyway just because they are not sure if the immunity lasts the same length of time in everyone. I am not an expert in vaccines. Maybe there is info I am unaware of.

I haven't had any doctor tell me I am suppose to get the TDaP while pg even if already immune.

Roses87 · August 2013

mommy grams said:

Thanks for the info. I just got it last may (2012) when dd was born, and I have no issues getting it again, but just not sure if I want to get it while pregnant.

If u just got it in 2012 then you shouldn't be due for it... I personally wont be getting vaccines while pregnant. Tell your dr. when you recieved it last. Its either every 5 yrs or 10 yrs, i forget which...

rowanthefrog · August 2013

I got it after both my boys were born. If they recommend it again I'll get it again.

Pertussis is no joke. My nephew who came down with it around 3 months now gets it like every 2 months or so. He will go from being fine to turning completely blue in like 20 minutes flat. Its very scary.

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