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I know they call it Irish twins when babies are babies about a year apart

Does that mean ill have Irish triplets? It was just a thought that popped into my head.
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Re: I know they call it Irish twins when babies are babies about a year apart

  • Well I know that obviously. It was just a silly thing really.
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  • "Irish twins" is actually a very derogatory term toward the Irish.

    Its origin is that Irish people were dumb, stupid, and couldn't afford to take care of themselves, yet they kept popping out kids one after another that they couldn't afford.

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    I was born in Dublin and never thought of it in a bad light, I'm sorry though if it bothered you. That was never my intent.
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  • car seat said:
    It means you're going to have three kids close in age.
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  • Cranang said:

    "Irish twins" is actually a very derogatory term toward the Irish.

    Its origin is that Irish people were dumb, stupid, and couldn't afford to take care of themselves, yet they kept popping out kids one after another that they couldn't afford.

    I'm pretty sure its just because Irish are usually Catholic and religious Catholics don't use birth control, so babies tend to happen in rapid succession during child bearing years.  I don't think it has anything to do with them being dumb, stupid or too poor to care for themselves (after all, abstinence is free).  
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  • No. The term was actually coined during the large immigration from Ireland to the U.S. and meant "large groups of close-in-age siblings were the result of uneducated, poor Irish Catholic families' lack of birth control as well as self-control".

    That's cool though, keep drinking Black and Tans on St. Pats and think that isn't offensive either.

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  • Cranang said:

    "Irish twins" is actually a very derogatory term toward the Irish.

    Its origin is that Irish people were dumb, stupid, and couldn't afford to take care of themselves, yet they kept popping out kids one after another that they couldn't afford.

    I'm pretty sure its just because Irish are usually Catholic and religious Catholics don't use birth control, so babies tend to happen in rapid succession during child bearing years.  I don't think it has anything to do with them being dumb, stupid or too poor to care for themselves (after all, abstinence is free).  
    Exactly. 

    Um, actually it does.  Irish immigrants weren't looked upon favorably when they immigrated here, and there was a lot of negativity directed at them.  So you're wrong.  The term was coined during that time.
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  • Oh my, another thread with Irish twins in the title... These discussions should only get more interesting. Happy for you though, they will keep you busy for sure!
  • Cranang said:

    "Irish twins" is actually a very derogatory term toward the Irish.

    Its origin is that Irish people were dumb, stupid, and couldn't afford to take care of themselves, yet they kept popping out kids one after another that they couldn't afford.

    I'm pretty sure its just because Irish are usually Catholic and religious Catholics don't use birth control, so babies tend to happen in rapid succession during child bearing years.  I don't think it has anything to do with them being dumb, stupid or too poor to care for themselves (after all, abstinence is free).  
    This.

    Also, I LOVE your twins' names! 
  • Cranang said:
    Cranang said:

    "Irish twins" is actually a very derogatory term toward the Irish.

    Its origin is that Irish people were dumb, stupid, and couldn't afford to take care of themselves, yet they kept popping out kids one after another that they couldn't afford.

    I'm pretty sure its just because Irish are usually Catholic and religious Catholics don't use birth control, so babies tend to happen in rapid succession during child bearing years.  I don't think it has anything to do with them being dumb, stupid or too poor to care for themselves (after all, abstinence is free).  
    Exactly. 

    Um, actually it does.  Irish immigrants weren't looked upon favorably when they immigrated here, and there was a lot of negativity directed at them.  So you're wrong.  The term was coined during that time.
    Dang it Cranang, who needs accurate history lessons, logic and knowledge?! Let them have their ignorance and cutesy terms, damn you! ;)

    Who cares if they are somewhat offensive and don't know what they are talking about in the grand scheme of things. Its CUTESY. CUTESY TRUMPS ALL!


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  • https://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-iri1.htm 

    "The origin isn’t certain, but its suspected roots date back to the 1800’s Potato Famine era, when approximately one million Irish came to North America. They often arrived penniless and were considered uncultured, uneducated and dirty—a pox on good society—living in slums like bees in a hive. Unskilled workers who made as little as eight cents a day back in Ireland could earn a dollar a day in America. This caused resentment from American workers fearful of losing jobs and being undercut by the Irish. In Eastern cities such as New York and Boston, signs reading “Irish Need Not Apply” sprung up in store windows. Several derogatory terms followed. For example, “Irish confetti” for thrown bricks and “Irish kiss” for a slap. Irish twins fits into this vernacular.

    The term Irish Twins mocks the fertility of Irish Catholic families and their disdain for practicing birth control methods, while failing to plan ahead or control themselves sexually. It also may suggest that the Irish didn’t understand the true medical definition of twins, or two children conceived and born together."

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  • https://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-iri1.htm 

    "The origin isn’t certain, but its suspected roots date back to the 1800’s Potato Famine era, when approximately one million Irish came to North America. They often arrived penniless and were considered uncultured, uneducated and dirty—a pox on good society—living in slums like bees in a hive. Unskilled workers who made as little as eight cents a day back in Ireland could earn a dollar a day in America. This caused resentment from American workers fearful of losing jobs and being undercut by the Irish. In Eastern cities such as New York and Boston, signs reading “Irish Need Not Apply” sprung up in store windows. Several derogatory terms followed. For example, “Irish confetti” for thrown bricks and “Irish kiss” for a slap. Irish twins fits into this vernacular.

    The term Irish Twins mocks the fertility of Irish Catholic families and their disdain for practicing birth control methods, while failing to plan ahead or control themselves sexually. It also may suggest that the Irish didn’t understand the true medical definition of twins, or two children conceived and born together."

    Edumacation!


    I just told them about...you had to be uppity and find a link about it! 
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  • I was born in Dublin and never thought of it in a bad light, I'm sorry though if it bothered you. That was never my intent.
    The best part of this is that if you're actually Irish your twins are already Irish twins! Congrats on 3u2 that's going to be a lot of excitement. I also never knew that term was meant to be offensive (though what isn't) I just assumed it was about Irish Catholics not using bc as mentioned before. 
      
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  • lrj85lrj85 member
    Many parts of vernacular we use today has a "sordid" past you dont even want to know when you call someone a "dick" actually come from or the term "missionary position". Sometimes people just want to be offended congrats though and you are very brave to have 3 that close :)
  • lrj85 said:

    Many parts of vernacular we use today has a "sordid" past you dont even want to know when you call someone a "dick" actually come from or the term "missionary position". Sometimes people just want to be offended congrats though and you are very brave to have 3 that close :)

    That makes it totes ok to use them! O.o


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  • lrj85 said:
    Many parts of vernacular we use today has a "sordid" past you dont even want to know when you call someone a "dick" actually come from or the term "missionary position". Sometimes people just want to be offended congrats though and you are very brave to have 3 that close :)
    Now I'm curious as to where the term "missionary position" comes from...
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  • snow527 said:
    I'm really rolling my eyes at the responses here.


    At the ones who don't know it's offensive or to those, like myself, that do?

    I'm not looking for an opportunity to be offended.  I'm not Irish, so I technically don't have a dog in the fight.  I just think it's a tacky term.  If you studied the history of how Irish people were treated in this country when they came here, you might see it as a slight too.  I also don't like it when people throw around the term "nazi."  I'm not PC or anything...it's just something to be aware of.

    lrj85, since when is calling someone a "dick" not sordid?

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  • Can someone explain why "black and tan" is offensive? I hadn't heard that and feel too crappy and lazy to google.


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  • I think Irish Twins is less than a year apart.
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  • snow527 said:
    I'm really rolling my eyes at the responses here.
    I'm rolling my eyes at blatant ignorance, so we are even! 


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  • ahare2009 said:
    I think Irish Twins is less than a year apart.
    they are, so this thread is EXTRA stupid because the term doesn't even apply to OP.


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  • These hormonal women are way over thinking this... congrats on your 3rd! Have fun!
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  • It means you will never sleep again. Ever. Congrats! :D
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  • JenW1029 said:
    These hormonal women are way over thinking this... congrats on your 3rd! Have fun!


    Don't blame hormones.  That's a cop out.

    And no one would say I'm being "hormonal" if I said that "ni**er" was offensive.

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  • Cranang said:
    JenW1029 said:
    These hormonal women are way over thinking this... congrats on your 3rd! Have fun!


    Don't blame hormones.  That's a cop out.

    And no one would say I'm being "hormonal" if I said that "ni**er" was offensive.

    Wow.  This has escalated quickly.  
  • Can someone explain why "black and tan" is offensive? I hadn't heard that and feel too crappy and lazy to google.

    A black and tan is a reference to the British Army and their rule over Ireland.  You can get a black and tan in a British pub in Belfast, but if you asked for it in the Irish Republic it may not be received so well because of the hostile relationship between the British and Irish.

     

    My husband and I are both Irish.  The term "Irish Twins" isn't necessarily offensive to our generations, but our mom and definitely our grandparents would not be happy with the use of that term.

    Can someone explain why "black and tan" is offensive? I hadn't heard that and feel too crappy and lazy to google.

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  • Cranang said:
    JenW1029 said:
    These hormonal women are way over thinking this... congrats on your 3rd! Have fun!


    Don't blame hormones.  That's a cop out.

    And no one would say I'm being "hormonal" if I said that "ni**er" was offensive.


    WTF did I miss??
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    Hi from Ireland here! Personally wouldn't find the term offensive at all, and black and tans is a historical reference and also a drink - so what! Can see more people getting offended with the addition of ale to a guinness though!!!! Good luck with your pregnancies ladies- 'go n-eiri an bothar leat'!
  • JenW1029JenW1029 member
    edited August 2013
    @ Cranang  I can't believe that you are comparing the two, but it only furthers my original point. Hence why I told the gal to ignore everyones rude comments and you took it to another inappropriate level. Some people just need to say congrats, and leave the rest out.
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