UO Thursday

dbucks · June 2013

jordanm24:
dbucks:
For the organic thing - the farming practices necessary for certification are supposed to better for the environment. That is what started it all. I have no clue when people started attributing a more healthful food status to organically grown produce, but generally when I buy organic, I'm thinking of the Earth's health, not my own.
see, I do understand this.

PPs are correct about the hormones in meats, though. That's a separate issue. I was just explaining the bit on organic produce because you used the term 'organic' in your OP.

sonrisa · June 2013

KateMW:
sonrisa:
I roll my eyes at women who would never drink a drop of non-organic milk or touch a non-organic veggie while pregnant but happily drink a glass of wine a day. Be anal and protective or not.
What if I only eat organic all the time and will still drink the wine? Personally, I feel man made chemicals are far worse than naturally occurring substances like alcohol in wine. But I'm not overly anal for myself, we eat organic/natural for DD.

I understand the idea of having a different standard of care for yourself than your kid, but:

1) Why does the kid in the womb get a lower standard of care than the one already birthed?

2) Wine is generally made from non-organic grapes so your fetus is still getting exposure to all those chemicals as well as the alcohol, right?

The "all organic, but pass the bottle" dichotomy is really common around me. I don't think it is terribly prevalent on here.

Lawren · June 2013

VCGolfNYC:
I just got home from a playground build (I will likely post an AW thread about it later.. It was very emotional and I cried multiple times. Damn hormones) and do not have the energy to read all these long threads.. Will there be a bump evening news update this evening?!!

I hope so. Too many words.

notkateanymore · June 2013

sonrisa:
KateMW:
sonrisa:
I roll my eyes at women who would never drink a drop of non-organic milk or touch a non-organic veggie while pregnant but happily drink a glass of wine a day. Be anal and protective or not.
What if I only eat organic all the time and will still drink the wine? Personally, I feel man made chemicals are far worse than naturally occurring substances like alcohol in wine. But I'm not overly anal for myself, we eat organic/natural for DD.
I understand the idea of having a different standard of care for yourself than your kid, but:
1) Why does the kid in the womb get a lower standard of care than the one already birthed?
2) Wine is generally made from non-organic grapes so your fetus is still getting exposure to all those chemicals as well as the alcohol, right?
The "all organic, but pass the bottle" dichotomy is really common around me. I don't think it is terribly prevalent on here.

I drank a couple of glasses of wine when I was pregnant with DD too, so they both were raised/birthed with a low standard of care. No worries, we do things badly, but even here!

lifesaverz · June 2013

VCGolfNYC:
jordanm24:
VCGolfNYC:
Regardless of how you feel about organic produce or whatnot, please purchase (and consume) antibiotic free meats; especially for LO.
I hesitate to even reply, but w/ the lack of evidence to show it actually makes any type of health difference I likely won't. Just my opinion...& I totally understand why people *think* it would make a difference (it does seem logical), it's just there is not sufficient evidence to actually show that.
So, uhm, you've never heard of a really annoying thing called antibiotic resistance?
ETA: Antibiotics in meat is different than buying organic produce and fruits. I don't even know if the Stanford study included it in their study methods because it's been a while since I read it. Animals raised for slaughter are given tons of antibiotics prophylatically in an attempt to keep them from becoming ill. When you eat these animals you risk ingesting the antibiotics that they were given. Repeat exposure to antibiotics can cause antibiotic/antimicrobial resistance, which breeds what you hear called "super bugs", ie bacteria that cannot be killed with the traditional antibiotics, or, in some cases, with even the harshest antibiotics known to man. The strongest bacteria survive and they become plentiful! If you're comfortable perpetuating that cycle and risking your health, by all means, go for it.
A little reading for you... I have a lot more but don't have time to post it.
This is MUCH different than pesticides. Do some reading.
https://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs194/en/
https://www.cdc.gov/drugresistance/index.html
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/meat/safe/overview.html

I may read these when I have some time, however, my DH & I have done a lot of our own reading that pertains to why I feel the evidence is unclear at best. My DH in particular has done a TON of reading on the topic, hundreds of pages in fact, including the FDA's full analysis of a large number of studies done on organic foods, indicating that there is little to no difference when it comes to health & organic foods. Btw the Stanford study DOES include info on meat & antibiotics, including studies done on children, & while they found that eating organic meat did somewhat reduce exposure to antibiotic resistant bacteria, they maintained that the clinicial significance of this is unclear. This is a huge topic & I don't have time to post all the resources, but I am definitely coming from a well educated place with my position, so I will respectfully disagree. However, it's a matter of personal opinion, & I think every person should do their own research & do what they feel is best on the topic. I have nothing against people who feel it is the best choice for them, just personally I have not found the evidence to believe it would be worthwhile for me & my family.

golfingdarwinfish · June 2013

jordanm24:
VCGolfNYC:
jordanm24:
VCGolfNYC:
Regardless of how you feel about organic produce or whatnot, please purchase (and consume) antibiotic free meats; especially for LO.
I hesitate to even reply, but w/ the lack of evidence to show it actually makes any type of health difference I likely won't. Just my opinion...& I totally understand why people *think* it would make a difference (it does seem logical), it's just there is not sufficient evidence to actually show that.
So, uhm, you've never heard of a really annoying thing called antibiotic resistance?
ETA: Antibiotics in meat is different than buying organic produce and fruits. I don't even know if the Stanford study included it in their study methods because it's been a while since I read it. Animals raised for slaughter are given tons of antibiotics prophylatically in an attempt to keep them from becoming ill. When you eat these animals you risk ingesting the antibiotics that they were given. Repeat exposure to antibiotics can cause antibiotic/antimicrobial resistance, which breeds what you hear called "super bugs", ie bacteria that cannot be killed with the traditional antibiotics, or, in some cases, with even the harshest antibiotics known to man. The strongest bacteria survive and they become plentiful! If you're comfortable perpetuating that cycle and risking your health, by all means, go for it.
A little reading for you... I have a lot more but don't have time to post it.
This is MUCH different than pesticides. Do some reading.
https://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs194/en/
https://www.cdc.gov/drugresistance/index.html
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/meat/safe/overview.html

I may read these when I have some time, however, my DH & I have done a lot of our own reading that pertains to why I feel the evidence is unclear at best. My DH in particular has done a TON of reading on the topic, hundreds of pages in fact, including the FDA's full analysis of a large number of studies done on organic foods, indicating that there is little to no difference when it comes to health & organic foods. Btw the Stanford study DOES include info on meat & antibiotics, including studies done on children, & while they found that eating organic meat did somewhat reduce exposure to antibiotic resistant bacteria, they maintained that the clinicial significance of this is unclear. This is a huge topic & I don't have time to post all the resources, but I am definitely coming from a well educated place with my position, so I will respectfully disagree. However, it's a matter of personal opinion, & I think every person should do their own research & do what they feel is best on the topic. I have nothing against people who feel it is the best choice for them, just personally I have not found the evidence to believe it would be worthwhile for me & my family.

Glad to hear you are doing your research.. When I was doing my PhD I did a traveling lecture series on this topic because part of my early research was antibiotic resistance and finding novel sources of antibiotics that could challenge microbes in a new manner.

Yes, to each their own. At the end of the day I'm willing to spend $2 more or whatever on a pound of meat. To me, it's worth it.

lifesaverz · June 2013

VCGolfNYC:
jordanm24:
VCGolfNYC:
jordanm24:
VCGolfNYC:
Regardless of how you feel about organic produce or whatnot, please purchase (and consume) antibiotic free meats; especially for LO.
I hesitate to even reply, but w/ the lack of evidence to show it actually makes any type of health difference I likely won't. Just my opinion...& I totally understand why people *think* it would make a difference (it does seem logical), it's just there is not sufficient evidence to actually show that.
So, uhm, you've never heard of a really annoying thing called antibiotic resistance?
ETA: Antibiotics in meat is different than buying organic produce and fruits. I don't even know if the Stanford study included it in their study methods because it's been a while since I read it. Animals raised for slaughter are given tons of antibiotics prophylatically in an attempt to keep them from becoming ill. When you eat these animals you risk ingesting the antibiotics that they were given. Repeat exposure to antibiotics can cause antibiotic/antimicrobial resistance, which breeds what you hear called "super bugs", ie bacteria that cannot be killed with the traditional antibiotics, or, in some cases, with even the harshest antibiotics known to man. The strongest bacteria survive and they become plentiful! If you're comfortable perpetuating that cycle and risking your health, by all means, go for it.
A little reading for you... I have a lot more but don't have time to post it.
This is MUCH different than pesticides. Do some reading.
https://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs194/en/
https://www.cdc.gov/drugresistance/index.html
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/meat/safe/overview.html

I may read these when I have some time, however, my DH & I have done a lot of our own reading that pertains to why I feel the evidence is unclear at best. My DH in particular has done a TON of reading on the topic, hundreds of pages in fact, including the FDA's full analysis of a large number of studies done on organic foods, indicating that there is little to no difference when it comes to health & organic foods. Btw the Stanford study DOES include info on meat & antibiotics, including studies done on children, & while they found that eating organic meat did somewhat reduce exposure to antibiotic resistant bacteria, they maintained that the clinicial significance of this is unclear. This is a huge topic & I don't have time to post all the resources, but I am definitely coming from a well educated place with my position, so I will respectfully disagree. However, it's a matter of personal opinion, & I think every person should do their own research & do what they feel is best on the topic. I have nothing against people who feel it is the best choice for them, just personally I have not found the evidence to believe it would be worthwhile for me & my family.
Glad to hear you are doing your research.. When I was doing my PhD I did a traveling lecture series on this topic because part of my early research was antibiotic resistance and finding novel sources of antibiotics that could challenge microbes in a new manner.
Yes, to each their own. At the end of the day I'm willing to spend $2 more or whatever on a pound of meat. To me, it's worth it.

I do accept that, sounds like we are both coming from a well educated place on the topic - & I'm sure the research you did must've been very interesting! And I do see how people can arrive at different opinions with the whole thing, so yes, to each their own!

TXmamatobe · June 2013

I can't stand any form of the word "husband" other than "husband". Such as hubby, hubs, hubster, etc. it really grinds my nerves.

jmb527 · June 2013

amberpro:
jmb527:
LOL I know. I was surprised the crib bumper debate got started so early as well, I'm sure that won't be the last of it either.
I guess my UO is I don't see that as a "debate". If you choose to use them, fine. It's a personal choice for your family, but you can't argue that they are pefectly safe. They are so statistically unsafe that they are being banned from being sold some places and the APA has long recommended against them. Period.

I agree with you, its just a topic that gets heated on TB, I felt it was early for this to be discussed as we are only in 2nd tri. I guess my basis was my last pg and this was a debate then on TB.

utlawgirl · June 2013

I think having a "reveal party" with a pink or blue cake, or any other kind of cutesy announcement about the sex of the baby is kind of awful and AWish. It makes me cringe. I know they are super-popular on here and they seem to be the new thing, but I kind of hate them. My SIL had one with her son and I didn't say a word, but I just absolutely detest these things. Sorry folks.

utlawgirl · June 2013

Ktrue85:
I have an Unpopular GIF to add to this debate.

Paula Dean deserves what she's getting. I wouldn't financially or morally support someone who uses that word freely either. I don't care where you were brought up or when --- it's 2013. We are the "intelligent species" for many reasons, one of which being that we can use this little thing called our brain to learn and evolve.

hahahahah I haven't seen that GIF in ages and it is awesome.

Also, WORD.

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