c section = major surgery = meaningless

marrymemylove · December 2008

Mrs T agreed on drop in blood pressure but frankly I don't count this as worth mentioning because it is SO EASY to counter. It is why you get n IV before the epi, and it just doesn't happen anymore unless someone has stuffed up in at least a couple of different ways (not the least not having an IV in to begin with).

BTW did you know that oxygenation (and APGAR therefore all other things being equal) is better in epidural babies? That's because the mum's cortisol levels are lower because she isn't in pain and more oxygen gets to the baby through the blood-to-blood transfer during labor.

?Also there are lots of women like me who cannot push for long for various reasons (in my case I can't have raised intracranial pressure) for whom laboring down is important to avoid a c section. And you simply can't sit there at 10cm without pushing with no epi. In my case the epi directly prevented a c section, and I'm not alone.

Not that a c section would normally bother me at all but with no blood brain barrier I am at extra risk from infection.?

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Blissful Me · December 2008

Mrs.Teddy:
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Blissful-it sounds to me that you are very bitter over your own birth experience & I am very sorry for that. However I believe you are wrong in many of your statements. THe epidurals have no groggy affect ont he baby, it is not a system drug. Birth experiences are very personal and each persono should have the right to make their own decisions, and be comfortable with them. If you are going to post opinions in the form of facts, do not post misinformation. My sister had a vaginal delivery followed by a MAJOR SURGERY that required 4 weeks in the hospital on a central line trying to repair the damage caused, she now has to have c-sections, which she SHOULD have had in the first place.

Also, IMHO CLITORAL & URETHRAL lacerations will NEVER heal properly I think my abdo has a much better chance of going back to normal

Well I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you on the epidural thing. I'm not saying you or anyone else has to agree with that, but tfrom my personal research and talking with friends who have also researched this I have found this to be true.I am not saying it is ALWAYS true but that there is a chance that it can happen in some babies and it seems particulary c-section babies.?I am not saying someone should not use epidural BTW, when I have a VBAC I will probably use a walking epi if possible. I was just stateing a possibe risk, more so in the epidural/spinal used in c-section. Forgive me, maybe I worded my posts poorly, though I feel my posts have been blown WAY out of proportion.

I would like to make very clear I am not at all bitter at all about my birthing experience, It was beautiful and couldn't have gone better! I was borderline preeclampsia therefore a c-section was what I opted to have because of the clear risks. My option was to try induction or just go for a c-section which I would have ended up with anyway because my baby was weighing in at almost 9lbs at 36 weeks and I am only 4'11. I had a beautiful healthy baby boy and I recovered very quickly compared to the stories I'd heard and what my doctor had prepared me for.I was blessed. Lastly I am sorry to hear that about your sister,? in no way am I saying if a woman needs a c-section she shouldn't have one, there certainly are times when a woman should opt for a c-section as I had to and there is nothing wrong with that at all!?

Hi725 · December 2008

Here is a little bit of advice that would save all of the responders a huge headache and a lot of annoyance:

Marrymemylove is an idiot.

She has always been an idiot.

She will always be an idiot.

Arguing with her is pointless, you'd have better luck convincing a goldfish to go live in the desert.

HTH

firsttogo · December 2008

Holey Quotes and soapboxes batman!

Carilyn · December 2008

Mrs.Teddy:

beachbum28:
I had a section......it was because my labor faild to progress...my DS was 10lbs 14 oz! I 've never had surgery before so I have nothing to compare it too, BUT dam it hurts like hell the day after!!!! I would never have choose to have a section!!! I think they call it major surgery, because they go in and take out all your organs that are in the way of your baby and pull your baby out then put everything back in!!! I had no problems other than pain, So I will probably have another section with my next baby.

I'm sorry but they DO NOT take out all your organs & then put them back in! THis is ridiculous! They make a small lower segment incison, your organs remain inside your boy, I know because I assist as a scrub nurse in sections. In rare circumstances if a pt. starts bleeding the uterus may be pulled up in the abdomen for massage & repair, but its not taken out...

I disagree with you Mrs.Teddy. I am a NICU nurse. At our hospital, NICU nurses attend all c-sections (no matter the reason for the section). Every section I've been to, they take the uterus out of the abdominal cavity to stitch it up, and I've seen many many different docs perform sections. I'd like my uterus to stay inside my body if it can! Maybe it's a regional thing?

Epidurals do not make the baby groggy. Pain meds do. I wanted to go without (which I ended up doing because I didn't have time for an epi), but if it came down to it and I thought I needed something, it was going to be an epi because pain meds get to the babe.

C-sections do cause increased risk to the babe. It's not a "little bit of fluid" you can just "suction out". It is a big deal. Retained fluid can cause major problems and there is no way to suck out the lungs unless the babe is on a ventilator/has an endotrachial tube.

Ashley&Bryan · December 2008

My 1st c-section was due to baby not progressing and being wrapped up in the cord. Her heart rate kept decreasing. My dr. suggested a c-section at that time and to be completely honest I was relieved. Had a great birth AND recovery. This time around I'm having another c-section. MY CHOICE.

Of course you can have opinions about whatever you want. But don't presume you have the best answer of all because you think you know how it would be and how the recovery would be. I'm excited about my 2nd section and can not wait to hold my new baby girl!!!

marrymemylove · December 2008

Hooray for you Ashley&Bryan... and I totally agree with you. Some women may have a bad c section experience or end up with major surgery. But they could just as easily have had a bad vag birth. It isn't per se a horrible thing which was my original point.

SFAug07 · December 2008

Thank you everybody for your thoughtful input! It sounds like there are really strong opinions out there. I am surprised that some women think it to be morally wrong to even consider an elective c-section. We are not in the middle ages and operations like this are very low risk.

byrne15 · December 2008

ummmm what about people that get general anesthesia for their c-section?

marrymemylove · December 2008

It's very rare to have a GA. An experienced Dr can do a spinal nearly as quickly in an emergency. And spinal has a ton fewer risks. But the major major surgery I was comparing to was all under a GA, so even with a GA its comparable, and with a spinal I'd say a c section would be a breeze and DEFINITELY if it is not an emergency one.

The GA is the worst part of any major surgery imho. And I've had 30+...?

ilovehouses · January 2009

https://www.mayoclinic.com/health/c-section/MY00214/DSECTION=risks

There are more risks associated with c-sections for the baby and mother. Period. That's why women should think twice about electing to have a c-section when not medically necessary.

It's not about being judgemental, but if you want to have a higher chance of killing your baby, well then go ahead and do it. I won't judge.

Assuming 100,000 healthy first time low risk pregnancies: With an elective c-section:

57 more women will die

999 more women will have a hysterectomy

135 more women will have a uterine rupture and 7 babies will die

63 more women will have a cesarean-scar ectopic pregnancy

45,900 more women will have dense adhesions (adhesions make

subsequent pelvic or abdominal surgery more difficult, increase

the likelihood of injuring organs or blood vessels during

surgery, and can cause chronic pain and bowel obstruction)

13,500 more women will experience wound (abdominal vs. perineal)

pain for 6 months or more

378 more babies will die in the womb (antepartum fetal demise)

without explanation after 34 weeks of pregnancy

7,830 more babies will be born preterm (before 37 weeks completed

gestation)

1,620 more babies will born weighing in the lowest 5% for their

gestational age

4,244 more babies will have respiratory problems serious enough to

require admission to intensive care

3,240 fewer women will have anal sphincter trauma (This assumes an

anal sphincter injury rate of 1%, a rate achievable with optimal

care [Albers 2005].) BUT

630 more women will have bladder injury

10,260 fewer women will have moderate to severe urinary incontinence

BUT

0 fewer women will have later-life urinary incontinence (MCA

2004)

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