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that newb has a point
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Re: that newb has a point
I am a lurker here, but always a pit bull advocate.
Would anybody care if that was any other breed that bit? Nope and that's why you never see them in the news.
Expecting our first, baby BOY, 12/12/13
Exactly. A golden kills a kid, and nothing is reported. A person is attacked by a dog that could be a bully breed? National news.
Also, I can't read the link, but the "without warning" crap pisses me off. People ignore warnings from dogs all the time. The dog warns people all the time it isn't happy, but people don't notice and act all shocked when someone is bit.
What she said.
My dalmatian was one of the biggest bitches and we could.not.let her around kids. She was fine until one would try to pet her, and then she could get hostile. And I bet she was as strong as any pit - they are work dogs too.
Golden retrievers, labs, poodles, chihuahuas are all vicious too. So no, her point is absolutely invalid.
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No, the point is the poster got a breed of dog that she doesn't trust.
Why would someone do that, to look cool?
And know she wants to just throw it away
Maybe because a baby will look way cooler when she walks
down the street.
Ok so my wording was bad. OBVIOUSLY I care if a child is bit. I mean the media isn't going to report on every breed that bites, only the ones that make a news story.
Expecting our first, baby BOY, 12/12/13
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Oh, so you want to fight about pits? OK, I can do that.
What is the problem with pits? The owners. Pit bulls look tough, and the wrong people often get their hands on them. Pits are incredibly high energy and need proper exercise and training. When in the wrong hands, they often become bored and don't know how to get rid of their energy.
The breed is actually wonderful with children. They used to be called "nanny dogs". A properly trained pit is a great dog.
It's very unfortunate that they are focused on as the main bully breed at this point. I hope it's just a phase.
I work with pit bulls in the shelter on a weekly basis, and they have become my favorite breed of dog.
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The pair of Yorkies that killed an infant two summers ago sure counted. As did the lab that killed the five year old in CA. Or the Aussies that nearly killed an old woman in the northeast a few weeks ago. I'd say they count.
Then don't get one.
That is not a fact.
Expecting our first, baby BOY, 12/12/13
False.
Show me the study.
Please give me the source of that fact, Tippy.
How do you know that for a fact?
bahaha. I know I'm not part of this group, but I like all of you
The day we brought our girl home from the shelter.
Expecting our first, baby BOY, 12/12/13
Because they are more likely to be mistreated, untrained and improperly raised. Also, a pit bull attack is much more severe than a maltese attack, dumbass. But poodles and malteses can be just as mean as pits. And pits can be just as warm and loving as small dogs.
Is this site accurate?
https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2012.php
The stats they quote fall generally in line with the CDC's report on the same.
I believe the breed with the most reported bites, are golden retrievers.
I heard that a few years ago, so it may have changed.
I think I heard this too during an advanced dog training class at the shelter. Dumb goldens.
Expecting our first, baby BOY, 12/12/13
Q: Do pit bulls bite more than other dogs?
Depending upon the community in which you live and the ratio of pit bulls within it, yes and no. But whether a pit bull bites more or less than another dog breed is not the point. The issue is the acute damage a pit bull inflicts when it does choose to bite. The pit bull's "hold and shake" bite style causes severe bone and muscle damage, often inflicting permanent and disfiguring injury. Moreover, once a pit bull starts an attack, firearm intervention may be the only way to stop it.
When analyzing dog bite statistics, it is important to understand what constitutes a bite. A single bite -- recorded and used in dog bite statistics -- is a bite that "breaks the skin." One bite by a poodle that leaves two puncture wounds is recorded the same way as a pit bull mauling, which can constitute hundreds of puncture wounds and extensive soft tissue loss. Despite the "quagmire" of dog bite statistics, pit bulls are leading bite counts across U.S. cities and counties.14
Pits and other bully breeds need to be respected and owned by dedicated educated people. The poster who said the problem with them is (many of) the people who get them are bad dog owners and get them for the wrong reasons - was spot on.
If the OP in the thread about "donating" her dog had take the time to properly care for and train her dog for the last two years it would not be an issue now.
ETA- to finish post.
And I forgot to add this.
I agree, the amount of damage, when compared to a smaller dog, would be less. That says nothing about their character!
Expecting our first, baby BOY, 12/12/13
Well, maybe instead of spending all their money figuring out which dog bites the most they should invest in licensing dogs and preventing the wrong people from getting them.
They aren't bad dogs.
Pretty much ALL dogs hold and shake. Of course a pit is going to do more damage than a tea cup dog, and there ARE ways of getting a pit off of someone. Derp.
Not to mention how many non bully breed bites go unreported as compared to pit bites.
And before the lock jaw thing is brought up, also untrue.
Expecting our first, baby BOY, 12/12/13
Right, because if a lab bites you it must have just been a mistake, but if a pit bites you OMGCALLTHEPOLICE!
and for fun:
"When tested it was shown that the Pit Bull actually has the least amount of pressure of the breeds that were tested. The three breeds tested were the American Pit Bull, The Rottweiler and the German Shepherd. The highest pressure
Expecting our first, baby BOY, 12/12/13
Pits do not have a different "bite style" than other dogs. Pits do not have a stronger bite than other dogs their size. Pits jaws do not lock.
As for stopping the attack, it simply isn't true that pits are more likely to "finish it". Terriers and other working breeds are, as a rule, more stubborn. But more stubborn doesn't equal needing to be killed to stop an attack.
Most people don't have a clue about handling dogs or dog attacks, so the dog often ends up dead. That doesn't mean the dog was so viscous that it needed a bullet to stop it.
Loving all of the great information being shared here
And on that note...off to my Humane Society volunteer orientation
Expecting our first, baby BOY, 12/12/13
It isn't, not really. One, they play up the myths about locking jaws and stronger bites. Two, they don't account for mistaken identity cases. Many attacking dogs are initially reported as pits, but later are found to be something else. Boston terriers, boxers, English style labs, Rottweilers, and other breeds are commonly mistaken for pit bull type dogs. If you like, I'll post a site about that later.
Also, this site discusses breed specific legislation, when from what I have learned, that doesn't actually reduce bite incidence at all.
I own a 170 pound mastiff that could do horrific damage. More damage than a pit bull I believe. We knew this and so took the time to train and socialize our dog. He has been to dog school twice. He goes to the dog park and goes to doggy daycare. He was socialized with children before we had our DD and we exposed him to many different places and situations. I was much more proactive with his training than with previous dogs since I knew how important it is with a dog with his power and strength. He is the sweetest and most patient dog. He is also a big submissive baby and little dogs bully him around and he is so patient and sweet with my DD, but I would NEVER leave him unattended with my toddler! And I know that he is still a dog and any dog has the potential to do harm.
I also have a little spitz dog that I love and is a sweetie. She has never bitten. Vets and groomers always complement how well behaved she is even when she is in pain. BUT she does make snarling noises at my DD sometimes when DD gets too close since DD has pulled her fur before (and again, I would NEVER leave my DD unattended with her)
Which dog is most likely to bite? The little spitz dog. Which dog do people get scared of? My sweet mastiff that doesn't have a mean bone in his body.
I have met more mean and vicious small dogs than I have big dogs. BUT the little dogs leave bites, big dogs have the potential to MAUL and KILL. This does not mean we ban all these breeds... which is a lot of breeds... Pit bulls are just the ones that we hear the most. It just means that these breeds are for more experience dog owners. I don't like it when people completely ignore any concerns about the power of pit bulls and just repeat over and over how they are big sweeties. So is my mastiff, but that doesn't mean I just put blinders on and have no concern or take extra precautions (ie. training, socialization, not accepting any dominant behavior). They are sweet, but they are also a huge responsibility and you cannot ignore their capabilities.
I do not believe in banning pit bulls or sentencing a dog to death just because it is a pit bull. I DO believe that only responsible owners should own any powerful breeds. As a PPs pointed out unfortunately there are a lot of irresponsible pit bull owners out there that are ruining the dog's reputation.
To the poster that is thinking about getting rid of your dog, please don't let this dog die in a shelter. Many dogs are "wild and rambunctious" when they are under 3 years old. They are still young and full of energy. Your dog just needs a responsible owner to train it. Please go to a professional and get your dog the training and socialization it needs. They even have specified classes and training sessions for getting a dog ready for a baby. If you cannot afford the time or money then please spend every free minute you have finding a great loving and responsible owner for your dog. Please do not just drop your dog off at a shelter because that is a death sentence for your dog.
FYI - This is from someone who has witnessed two pit bull attacks and one of those times was when my dog and I were attacked. (This is the reason for my novel sorry...bit emotional topic for me) I still believe pit bulls can be sweet family dogs. I have witnessed more viscous biting dogs than I can count that WEREN'T pit bulls than ones that were pit bulls (2).
Yeah, my aunt's Pekinese used to hold and shake. It was so cute the way she'd do it to her little stuffed toys.