It creeps me out....

sheacox · December 2012

When 4 year olds are breast feeding. It's on Dr. Phil tonight.... I'm sorry to any mamas on here who may breast feed their 4 year olds. I do respect your opinion but it still freaks me out.

caffrin · December 2012

I have a feeling this is not going to go over well.....

sheacox · December 2012

I'm pretty sure we can all handle different opinions.... Like I said I respect any mamas on here if they do choose to breast feed their child until whatever age... I was just commenting on dr Phil (who also thought it was creepy) that they lady was just letting her 4 year old rub her breasts... Each mama makes the choice she feels best for her and her baby... I can think it looks awkward.

CoffeeBeanFiend91 · December 2012

If you shouldn't keep your 4 year old on formula you shouldn't keep them on the breast. I think this is more about psychological things than it is about the child's nutrition.

GertrudeClaus · December 2012

I still breastfeed Santa, hope that is okay.

sheacox · December 2012

GertrudeClaus:
I still breastfeed Santa, hope that is okay.

oh def! Santa still needs his milk...

kaleyandjason · December 2012

GertrudeClaus:
I still breastfeed Santa, hope that is okay.

Duh. He has to have milk to go with all those cookies.

HappyMommy28 · December 2012

I think it's up to each mom. We all do what we feel is best for our children. I still nurse my son who just turned two. However, I'm on the verge of weaning because my nipples are incredibly sensitive and it has become painful. My husbands aunt nursed her boy until he was 4 or 5 and he was homeschooled. He is the most respectful child I've ever met. Has a close relationship with his mom and dad, and is just an amazing kid. That's the only child I know that was nursed that long though.

ohdrama09 · December 2012

The average age of weaning globally is 4.5. That's average. Some people do way less, and some do more. While nursing to 4 is NMS, I won't knock it. Believe me, nursing isn't about mom. It's 100% about the child. DD just weaned at 17 months. I'm happy to have my boobs to myself again. If she had continued to want to nurse I would have let her. Notice how I "said" that, if SHE wanted to continue.

Before having a child I said BF past 1 "freaked me out". Then 1 came and went. 2 seemed easily the "age". Maybe this one will nurse till 3. I have friends who have children nursing at 3 and 4. It's not weird at all. It's not mother centered at all. Those children are developing wonderfully and are very independent. It's not like they're attached to the boob all day like a newborn. It's here and there.

The antibodies and nutrients don't vanish at a certain age. Sure, they can be fine without it but if the relationship is working for them and that child is still getting the benefits of it.

https://kellymom.com/ages/older-infant/ebf-benefits/ <I suck and can't make it clicky.

I'm not riding in here nipple nazi hat on and b!tching ya'll out. It's just a very misunderstood thing. Two years ago I was in the same frame of mind.

fefy2323 · December 2012

Youll save money on milk! But having a four year old human sucking my nipples....is just not right.. blah...after one..those nipples are back to being my husbands ha! My friend breast fed her son who looks like a four year old till he was 2 and i just thought that was awkward. But whatever works for each individual i suppose. And her son was attached to his moms boobies. Let me tell you...at a doctors office there was alittle boy about 3 years old who threw a fit because he wanted his moms boob. Well the mom busted out her titties right there...very unpleasurable. I did not know she was about to bust her salami nipple out . Caught me off gaurd. Sorry if i offend anyone.....i did enjoy nursing my daughter but I just couldnt imagine going past at the most 1.5

animalcrckr · December 2012

To each their own. Each family finds what works for them and every child is different, some may need to nurse longer than others.

I think it's weird that someone would go on Dr Phil - sounds like they are just trying to get attention.

courty625 · December 2012

I think Dr.Phil is creepy.

But I also think BFing at that age is too long. By 3-4, children are learning (& should already have a good foundation) of preschool and Kindergarden readiness skills, and self-feeding is one of them. But that's just my opinion. I'm a FTM and as much as I don't think I'll BF that long, I've never been there so who knows.

one of family friends BF her youngest untilmhenwas well into school, like 6-7 yo. She always made comments about him being her baby and not wanting him to be independent of her. In that case, I'd say it was about mom and not the child.

flerlgirl · December 2012

Dr. Phil's mustache is the creepiest of all.

MoparWife67 · December 2012

People that get creeped out by breast feeding need to grow up.

lindsayandwillis · December 2012

I really wanted to B/F DD for one year, but through working fulltime, my supply went down and so did her "want" to nurse. We stopped at 9 months, and it went fine for both of us. *IMO* a person should give an effort to nursing due to the good effects it has on the baby (and your health-- baby weight goes way down quickly!!!), but at a certain point, it's just not a healthy option (physically and mentally)... this is just my personal thoughts on the matter.

bride05Jules · December 2012

I'm reminded of the 2 Broke Girls episode earlier this season where the boy comes out from under his mom's shirt and asks for a cheeseburger and fries. The main character is completely shocked. I think that's my reaction as well. Sorry, but I wasn't exposed to this growing up so it does seems a little off to me. However, I support that we live in a free world where you can do what you want and what you think is best.

ohdrama09 · December 2012

MoparWife67:
People that get creeped out by breast feeding need to grow up.

This. I guess I shouldn't be shocked at some of the comments.

kread8 · December 2012

One of the PPs touched on it, but what I don't really understand is - at 4 the child is on (or should be on?) solid foods. I haven't gotten that far in my baby books yet, but I'm fairly certain they shouldn't be on formula at that age, so why is the criteria different if it's breast milk? I'm honestly curious, it just seems like conflicting information.

But I agree with OP, it seems a bit old to still be breast feeding. It's hard to imagine a child in pre-school learning independence, letters, numbers, reading/etc then going home and breastfeeding. To each their own, but I do not think that is for me at all.

hjk5000 · December 2012

ohdrama09:
MoparWife67:
People that get creeped out by breast feeding need to grow up.

This. I guess I shouldn't be shocked at some of the comments.

This this this. If boobs creep you out don't ever go to Europe or South America, because those ladies nurse in public with out covers (GASP!) everywhere. Toddlers and to some extent preschoolers too.

ohdrama09 · December 2012

kread8:
One of the PPs touched on it, but what I don't really understand is - at 4 the child is on (or should be on?) solid foods. I haven't gotten that far in my baby books yet, but I'm fairly certain they shouldn't be on formula at that age, so why is the criteria different if it's breast milk? I'm honestly curious, it just seems like conflicting information.

But I agree with OP, it seems a bit old to still be breast feeding. It's hard to imagine a child in pre-school learning independence, letters, numbers, reading/etc then going home and breastfeeding. To each their own, but I do not think that is for me at all.

Of COURSE the child is going to be on solid foods! Did no one read my first post? Formula is completely different then BM. BM has so, so much more in it then formula. There are antibodies and nutrients you don't get from formula.

A child at that age would still be drinking a good amount of cow's milk, right? Why is drinking milk from a totally different species all together not weird, but a human child drinking human milk is?

kread8 · December 2012

ohdrama09:
kread8:

One of the PPs touched on it, but what I don't really understand is - at 4 the child is on (or should be on?) solid foods. I haven't gotten that far in my baby books yet, but I'm fairly certain they shouldn't be on formula at that age, so why is the criteria different if it's breast milk? I'm honestly curious, it just seems like conflicting information.

But I agree with OP, it seems a bit old to still be breast feeding. It's hard to imagine a child in pre-school learning independence, letters, numbers, reading/etc then going home and breastfeeding. To each their own, but I do not think that is for me at all.

Of COURSE the child is going to be on solid foods! Did no one read my first post? Formula is completely different then BM. BM has so, so much more in it then formula. There are antibodies and nutrients you don't get from formula.

A child at that age would still be drinking a good amount of cow's milk, right? Why is drinking milk from a totally different species all together not weird, but a human child drinking human milk is?

When you put it that way it makes sense. For me, it's just hard to imagine how the logistics work. Most kids are drinking milk while they are eating, so are they taking a few bites of food and then asking mom for a "sip"?

ohdrama09 · December 2012

kread8:
ohdrama09:
kread8:

One of the PPs touched on it, but what I don't really understand is - at 4 the child is on (or should be on?) solid foods. I haven't gotten that far in my baby books yet, but I'm fairly certain they shouldn't be on formula at that age, so why is the criteria different if it's breast milk? I'm honestly curious, it just seems like conflicting information.

But I agree with OP, it seems a bit old to still be breast feeding. It's hard to imagine a child in pre-school learning independence, letters, numbers, reading/etc then going home and breastfeeding. To each their own, but I do not think that is for me at all.

Of COURSE the child is going to be on solid foods! Did no one read my first post? Formula is completely different then BM. BM has so, so much more in it then formula. There are antibodies and nutrients you don't get from formula.

A child at that age would still be drinking a good amount of cow's milk, right? Why is drinking milk from a totally different species all together not weird, but a human child drinking human milk is?

When you put it that way it makes sense. For me, it's just hard to imagine how the logistics work. Most kids are drinking milk while they are eating, so are they taking a few bites of food and then asking mom for a "sip"?

I get what you're saying. From what I've seen no. It's random times during the day. Or if they've been hurt kind of thing.

kread8 · December 2012

ohdrama09:
kread8:
ohdrama09:
kread8:

One of the PPs touched on it, but what I don't really understand is - at 4 the child is on (or should be on?) solid foods. I haven't gotten that far in my baby books yet, but I'm fairly certain they shouldn't be on formula at that age, so why is the criteria different if it's breast milk? I'm honestly curious, it just seems like conflicting information.

But I agree with OP, it seems a bit old to still be breast feeding. It's hard to imagine a child in pre-school learning independence, letters, numbers, reading/etc then going home and breastfeeding. To each their own, but I do not think that is for me at all.

Of COURSE the child is going to be on solid foods! Did no one read my first post? Formula is completely different then BM. BM has so, so much more in it then formula. There are antibodies and nutrients you don't get from formula.

A child at that age would still be drinking a good amount of cow's milk, right? Why is drinking milk from a totally different species all together not weird, but a human child drinking human milk is?

When you put it that way it makes sense. For me, it's just hard to imagine how the logistics work. Most kids are drinking milk while they are eating, so are they taking a few bites of food and then asking mom for a "sip"?

I get what you're saying. From what I've seen no. It's random times during the day. Or if they've been hurt kind of thing.

Ok this makes a lot more sense to me. I don't think I will be one of those moms, but every mom has to make the choice that is best for her child and her family.

ohdrama09 · December 2012

kread8:
ohdrama09:
kread8:
ohdrama09:
kread8:

One of the PPs touched on it, but what I don't really understand is - at 4 the child is on (or should be on?) solid foods. I haven't gotten that far in my baby books yet, but I'm fairly certain they shouldn't be on formula at that age, so why is the criteria different if it's breast milk? I'm honestly curious, it just seems like conflicting information.

But I agree with OP, it seems a bit old to still be breast feeding. It's hard to imagine a child in pre-school learning independence, letters, numbers, reading/etc then going home and breastfeeding. To each their own, but I do not think that is for me at all.



Of COURSE the child is going to be on solid foods! Did no one read my first post? Formula is completely different then BM. BM has so, so much more in it then formula. There are antibodies and nutrients you don't get from formula.

A child at that age would still be drinking a good amount of cow's milk, right? Why is drinking milk from a totally different species all together not weird, but a human child drinking human milk is?

When you put it that way it makes sense. For me, it's just hard to imagine how the logistics work. Most kids are drinking milk while they are eating, so are they taking a few bites of food and then asking mom for a "sip"?

I get what you're saying. From what I've seen no. It's random times during the day. Or if they've been hurt kind of thing.

Ok this makes a lot more sense to me. I don't think I will be one of those moms, but every mom has to make the choice that is best for her child and her family.

I wasn't either but I can't stand misinformation. =]

+Preppy+ · December 2012

flerlgirl:
Dr. Phil's mustache is the creepiest of all.

Truest statement in this thread lol.

musicalsilver · December 2012

bride05Jules:
I'm reminded of the 2 Broke Girls episode earlier this season where the boy comes out from under his mom's shirt and asks for a cheeseburger and fries. The main character is completely shocked. I think that's my reaction as well. Sorry, but I wasn't exposed to this growing up so it does seems a little off to me. However, I support that we live in a free world where you can do what you want and what you think is best.

When I worked in food service there was a mother and her kid that came in to eat. The kid was probably around 4. He'd nurse, and then order his kids meal. It was strange to me (and most of us that worked there). *Definitely* NMS, but I wouldn't give anybody a hard time for choosing to do that.

courty625 · December 2012

CarolynL8:
ohdrama09:
kread8:
One of the PPs touched on it, but what I don't really understand is - at 4 the child is on (or should be on?) solid foods. I haven't gotten that far in my baby books yet, but I'm fairly certain they shouldn't be on formula at that age, so why is the criteria different if it's breast milk? I'm honestly curious, it just seems like conflicting information.

But I agree with OP, it seems a bit old to still be breast feeding. It's hard to imagine a child in pre-school learning independence, letters, numbers, reading/etc then going home and breastfeeding. To each their own, but I do not think that is for me at all.

Of COURSE the child is going to be on solid foods! Did no one read my first post? Formula is completely different then BM. BM has so, so much more in it then formula. There are antibodies and nutrients you don't get from formula.
A child at that age would still be drinking a good amount of cow's milk, right? Why is drinking milk from a totally different species all together not weird, but a human child drinking human milk is?
Just a thought... If the whole reason to breast feed at age 4 is for the nutrients then cant you pump and give them the bottle or a sippy cup full? Can you even put BM in a sippy cup? Im a FTM so Im not even sure thats allowed.
My personal opinion is that my kid is too old to be on my boob at that age. Obviously other woman feel comfortable. I personally would feel uncomfortable.

By 4 they should be off a bottle as well, and hopefully moving away from a sippy cup. I guess I just look at this issue as more of a developmental one. If a 3 or 4 year old can drink from a sippy or open cup as well, I don't see the harm. They just need to have the other swallowing patterns down other than nipple. It's just not something I would do personally.

ohdrama09 · December 2012

SouthSideDrea:
I was going to ignore this completely, but Ifinally figured out what really bugs me about this post.

I don't care what you think, I think your opinions about what other people do are moot. I think you are in for a huge surprise once you find out that someone will judge you no matter what you do. Really, you can't make a right decidion as a parent. Someone, somewhere, probably a close friend or family member actually, will judge all the things you do wrong. Whatever, part of the gig.

What bothers me about this post and some follow up comments are the language and word choice. These thigs matter. To say you respect soemone's opinion but find them creepy is a big contradiction. That is not a term of respect, so why try to say you respect their opinion.

And the "psycological harm" comment is terrible. WTF gives you the right to make an armchair diagnosis and throw it out there like your narrow minded opinion carries any validity?

Look, this is going to happen a lot in the next 6 months. There will be devisive threads about c-sections, epidurals, circumcisions, breast feeding, formula feeding. After that ther will be threads about CIO, BLW, Bed Sharing, TV watching, and so on.

Maybe you are actually interested in learning about something you are unfamilliar with or you want to understand another's point of view, maybe not. But if you are I think you need to choose your words and language more carefully.

I love you.

BLT20051 · December 2012

SouthSideDrea:

I was going to ignore this completely, but Ifinally figured out what really bugs me about this post.

I don't care what you think, I think your opinions about what other people do are moot. I think you are in for a huge surprise once you find out that someone will judge you no matter what you do. Really, you can't make a right decidion as a parent. Someone, somewhere, probably a close friend or family member actually, will judge all the things you do wrong. Whatever, part of the gig.

What bothers me about this post and some follow up comments are the language and word choice. These thigs matter. To say you respect soemone's opinion but find them creepy is a big contradiction. That is not a term of respect, so why try to say you respect their opinion.

And the "psycological harm" comment is terrible. WTF gives you the right to make an armchair diagnosis and throw it out there like your narrow minded opinion carries any validity?

Look, this is going to happen a lot in the next 6 months. There will be devisive threads about c-sections, epidurals, circumcisions, breast feeding, formula feeding. After that ther will be threads about CIO, BLW, Bed Sharing, TV watching, and so on.

Maybe you are actually interested in learning about something you are unfamilliar with or you want to understand another's point of view, maybe not. But if you are I think you need to choose your words and language more carefully.

ITA.

Mommy2CB · December 2012

I, personally, would not breast feed anywhere near close to 4.. But that's me! We had a friend who breast fed her son after 3 and wow, it was really uncomfortable that he could just ask and lift up her shirt. But, their life! It's not something I would personally do.

mckiernk · December 2012

Ok .... I can respect everyone's opinions on this ... however... my opinion is that if the mother is trying to keep a close bond with he child AND give them the added benefit (if any past a certain age with breast milk) then why not pump and put it in a cup or bottle if needed and hug them while they eat it... it doesn't need to include an older child's attachment to the breast to feel close and loved by his mother ... I get the bond that the mother feels with their baby is incredible when you breastfeed your infant however if the child can get the same attachment and possible nutrition without attaching to the breast then it does become centered around the mother and her feelings of not wanting to let go of their 'baby' ... there are less controversial or 'creepy' ways of doing this and I think a lot of the moms continue to do this because THEY want the closeness to remain for them as well ... to me that is just selfish because these children will know eventually when they get older and they may be embarassed about it and/or teased about it. All I am saying is that there are ways around nipple attachment that give the same result that these moms are claiming they are looking for but they save the dgnity of the child when they are grown... especially the boy who was on the front cover of that magazine standing on a chair sucking on his mother's breast... that is what makes this all creepy.

LiLi23 · December 2012

SouthSideDrea:
I was going to ignore this completely, but Ifinally figured out what really bugs me about this post.

I don't care what you think, I think your opinions about what other people do are moot. I think you are in for a huge surprise once you find out that someone will judge you no matter what you do. Really, you can't make a right decidion as a parent. Someone, somewhere, probably a close friend or family member actually, will judge all the things you do wrong. Whatever, part of the gig.

What bothers me about this post and some follow up comments are the language and word choice. These thigs matter. To say you respect soemone's opinion but find them creepy is a big contradiction. That is not a term of respect, so why try to say you respect their opinion.

And the "psycological harm" comment is terrible. WTF gives you the right to make an armchair diagnosis and throw it out there like your narrow minded opinion carries any validity?

Look, this is going to happen a lot in the next 6 months. There will be devisive threads about c-sections, epidurals, circumcisions, breast feeding, formula feeding. After that ther will be threads about CIO, BLW, Bed Sharing, TV watching, and so on.

Maybe you are actually interested in learning about something you are unfamilliar with or you want to understand another's point of view, maybe not. But if you are I think you need to choose your words and language more carefully.

Yes

I couldnn't put my finger on what exactly bothered me, but this is definitely it. BF is a little bit of a sore subject with me (I had planned on extending BF, but my supply tanked and had to switch to ff at 3.5/4-ish months. It still makes me tear up to this day.)

I Love my Dave · December 2012

yikes 4 is too old, time for the child to grow up, it can't be a baby forever

MoparWife67 · December 2012

I would LOVE to hear about all the research each and every one of you who finds it creepy or wrong have done. I'm willing to bet that you "haven't gotten that far in your book."

Agree totally with SouthSideDrea.

The ignorance just overflows in this thread.

skio · December 2012

mckiernk:
Ok .... I can respect everyone's opinions on this ... however... my opinion is that if the mother is trying to keep a close bond with he child AND give them the added benefit if any past a certain age with breast milk then why not pump and put it in a cup or bottle if needed and hug them while they eat it... it doesn't need to include an older child's attachment to the breast to feel close and loved by his mother ... I get the bond that the mother feels with their baby is incredible when you breastfeed your infant however if the child can get the same attachment and possible nutrition without attaching to the breast then it does become centered around the mother and her feelings of not wanting to let go of their 'baby' ... there are less controversial or 'creepy' ways of doing this and I think a lot of the moms continue to do this because THEY want the closeness to remain for them as well ... to me that is just selfish because these children will know eventually when they get older and they may be embarassed about it and/or teased about it. All I am saying is that there are ways around nipple attachment that give the same result that these moms are claiming they are looking for but they save the dgnity of the child when they are grown... especially the boy who was on the front cover of that magazine standing on a chair sucking on his mother's breast... that is what makes this all creepy.

Oh, FFS. I can't even get into how insulting this is to women or how much of a disservice your opinion does to breastfeeding, so I'll just make one comment: The insinuation that breastfeeding is ever about the mother's selfish needs or desires is absolutely disgusting.

MoparWife67 · December 2012

skio:
mckiernk:
Ok .... I can respect everyone's opinions on this ... however... my opinion is that if the mother is trying to keep a close bond with he child AND give them the added benefit if any past a certain age with breast milk then why not pump and put it in a cup or bottle if needed and hug them while they eat it... it doesn't need to include an older child's attachment to the breast to feel close and loved by his mother ... I get the bond that the mother feels with their baby is incredible when you breastfeed your infant however if the child can get the same attachment and possible nutrition without attaching to the breast then it does become centered around the mother and her feelings of not wanting to let go of their 'baby' ... there are less controversial or 'creepy' ways of doing this and I think a lot of the moms continue to do this because THEY want the closeness to remain for them as well ... to me that is just selfish because these children will know eventually when they get older and they may be embarassed about it and/or teased about it. All I am saying is that there are ways around nipple attachment that give the same result that these moms are claiming they are looking for but they save the dgnity of the child when they are grown... especially the boy who was on the front cover of that magazine standing on a chair sucking on his mother's breast... that is what makes this all creepy.

Oh, FFS. I can't even get into how insulting this is to women or how much of a disservice your opinion does to breastfeeding, so I'll just make one comment: The insinuation that breastfeeding is ever about the mother's selfish needs or desires is absolutely disgusting.

As I'm sitting here nursing my child who fell asleep... And he freaking bit me in his sleep...

Not only is it absolutely disgusting it proves these posters ignorance. Yeah, I just got bit with basically puppy teeth FOR ME.

CynthiaC1213 · December 2012

I think personal decisions that only apply to the people making them should be free of judgement. If there was an issue of potential harm to the child, then please, judge away. Otherwise, be happy with your own decisions and leave others alone to make theirs. Sometimes I feel like these kinds of comments are signs of insecurity. If you are secure and happy with the decisions that you are making for your own family, you would not find it necessary to call other people's decisions creepy.

SLaBM2B · December 2012

CarolynL8:
Im a first time mom. Ive never wanted to breast feed. It just wasnt for me. But now that im pregnant i am planning to try to breast feed after ive read about all of the benefits. Im aiming to do it for 3 to 6 months. My doctor said 6 months would be ideal but a minimum of 3 he'd recommend. Since im not really into breastfeeding to begin with thats my goal. In a perfect world id like to pump a little so the baby can also get use to the bottle but as we all know most things dont go as planned! I will have to see how it goes when the time comes.

this exactly

SLaBM2B · December 2012

I'm scared my kid will be 3 and breast feeding while we are watching TV and see something on TV that they want and bite down on my nipple out of excitement and rip my nip off.

there goes future BF'ing

SLaBM2B · December 2012

mckiernk:
Ok .... I can respect everyone's opinions on this ... however... my opinion is that if the mother is trying to keep a close bond with he child AND give them the added benefit (if any past a certain age with breast milk) then why not pump and put it in a cup or bottle if needed and hug them while they eat it... it doesn't need to include an older child's attachment to the breast to feel close and loved by his mother ... I get the bond that the mother feels with their baby is incredible when you breastfeed your infant however if the child can get the same attachment and possible nutrition without attaching to the breast then it does become centered around the mother and her feelings of not wanting to let go of their 'baby' ... there are less controversial or 'creepy' ways of doing this and I think a lot of the moms continue to do this because THEY want the closeness to remain for them as well ... to me that is just selfish because these children will know eventually when they get older and they may be embarassed about it and/or teased about it. All I am saying is that there are ways around nipple attachment that give the same result that these moms are claiming they are looking for but they save the dgnity of the child when they are grown... especially the boy who was on the front cover of that magazine standing on a chair sucking on his mother's breast... that is what makes this all creepy.

THIS!

MoparWife67 · December 2012

SLaBM2B:
mckiernk:
Ok .... I can respect everyone's opinions on this ... however... my opinion is that if the mother is trying to keep a close bond with he child AND give them the added benefit (if any past a certain age with breast milk) then why not pump and put it in a cup or bottle if needed and hug them while they eat it... it doesn't need to include an older child's attachment to the breast to feel close and loved by his mother ... I get the bond that the mother feels with their baby is incredible when you breastfeed your infant however if the child can get the same attachment and possible nutrition without attaching to the breast then it does become centered around the mother and her feelings of not wanting to let go of their 'baby' ... there are less controversial or 'creepy' ways of doing this and I think a lot of the moms continue to do this because THEY want the closeness to remain for them as well ... to me that is just selfish because these children will know eventually when they get older and they may be embarassed about it and/or teased about it.  All I am saying is that there are ways around nipple attachment that give the same result that these moms are claiming they are looking for but they save the dgnity of the child when they are grown... especially the boy who was on the front cover of that magazine standing on a chair sucking on his mother's breast... that is what makes this all creepy.
THIS! 

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