moms choosing not to vaccinate

justadogmommy · November 2012

it was a tough decision to not vaccinate. I just don't trust all the ingredients and the insult on the immune system at once. I only wish the best for my baby and everyone's little ones. I just have seen some pretty devastating effects from vaccines and I know the diseases could be devastating as well. it was a choice I had to make and don't judge anyone for vaccinating or not. I had extensive talks with my pediatrician and we still talk about it every visit. we might even choose to do some of the vaccines but would delay them and spread them out. I just had to comment because the comment about not loving my baby really got to me.

sooner1981 · November 2012

justadogmommy:
it was a tough decision to not vaccinate. I just don't trust all the ingredients and the insult on the immune system at once. I only wish the best for my baby and everyone's little ones. I just have seen some pretty devastating effects from vaccines and I know the diseases could be devastating as well. it was a choice I had to make and don't judge anyone for vaccinating or not. I had extensive talks with my pediatrician and we still talk about it every visit. we might even choose to do some of the vaccines but would delay them and spread them out. I just had to comment because the comment about not loving my baby really got to me.

Just a question--as a pediatric nurse with presumably at least 1-2 years of basic science/medical training, what information do you think you have "discovered" about the evils of vaccines that neither your pediatrician (who continues to try to convince you to vaccinate) nor any other respected member of the medical community has knowledge of?! Do you really think you have uncovered a secret with your brilliant research skills that no one else has ever thought of in your medical community? Or do you think that the doctors want to gain sooo much money from the vaccines that they lose money administering that they are happy to "injure" their own children with the vaccines just to keep the conspiracy alive?

At some point, you might have to step back from your "research" and just ask yourself if any of what you "believe" makes sense. I react so strongly to your statements because they are said from the perspective of a "pedatric nurse." It just makes me shiver to think that you could have gone through all that education, and still rely on such junk science to make such big decisions for your child's lifelong health...

MollySm · November 2012

To support Jen, I also will on occasion listen to what Sooner says, and just go with it. Because she's been a person that I agree with on many occasions, when she talked about the research on Vicks not clearing congestion, and instead perhaps worsening it, I haven't bought any Vicks. I wasn't set on buying some before, and so that just sealed the deal for me, but for me it isn't something I feel the need to look up myself. There are other medical issues that I would be more worried about and would look up more info myself, but I don't see anything wrong with using info that someone you know has found.

For the chicken pox, I have always planned on giving the vaccine to Lucia because I know that while it is a mild illness for many young children, it can be fatal for some. I see no reason to take a chance that that is the case for either Lucia, or any children she comes into contact with. But Sooner's info was interesting and I appreciate her sharing it.

sooner1981 · November 2012

lancyjo:
I can't speak for Jen either, but kle just said what I was thinking. Sooner's evidence wasn't completely anecdotal. I hadn't thought much about the chicken pox vaccine's effect on shingles, but I will be doing more research/talking to Aria's pedi about it now. I've had shingles almost every other year since I was 12. It's awful. If I can keep Aria from experiencing them, I will.

Lancy--my pediatrician in high school said that it is pretty rare to get shingles before you are forty. They are the absolute worse. Do you just get all sorts of anxious when you feel that "tingling" feeling on your nerves? Do you get them on your back/chest? I still have scars across my back from that high school outbreak--they have faded some, but there is still a little line of scars at about my bra line.

Lawren · November 2012

sooner1981:
lancyjo:
I can't speak for Jen either, but kle just said what I was thinking. Sooner's evidence wasn't completely anecdotal. I hadn't thought much about the chicken pox vaccine's effect on shingles, but I will be doing more research/talking to Aria's pedi about it now. I've had shingles almost every other year since I was 12. It's awful. If I can keep Aria from experiencing them, I will.

Lancy--my pediatrician in high school said that it is pretty rare to get shingles before you are forty. They are the absolute worse. Do you just get all sorts of anxious when you feel that "tingling" feeling on your nerves? Do you get them on your back/chest? I still have scars across my back from that high school outbreak--they have faded some, but there is still a little line of scars at about my bra line.

I had shingles when I was 21.

sooner1981 · November 2012

MollySm:

To support Jen, I also will on occasion listen to what Sooner says, and just go with it. Because she's been a person that I agree with on many occasions, when she talked about the research on Vicks not clearing congestion, and instead perhaps worsening it, I haven't bought any Vicks. I wasn't set on buying some before, and so that just sealed the deal for me, but for me it isn't something I feel the need to look up myself. There are other medical issues that I would be more worried about and would look up more info myself, but I don't see anything wrong with using info that someone you know has found.

For the chicken pox, I have always planned on giving the vaccine to Lucia because I know that while it is a mild illness for many young children, it can be fatal for some. I see no reason to take a chance that that is the case for either Lucia, or any children she comes into contact with. But Sooner's info was interesting and I appreciate her sharing it.

Just for the record-- please don't ever think that I am asking people to take my opinion as an anonymous mom on an internet forum as the Gospel truth. I do enjoy these dialogues and like to add to them whenever I can--but of course I would hope that everyone would always talk to their pediatricians and trusted medical professionals when making any important decisions about their child's health. I just try to present studies/research re: various topics so that we can all become more educated and stronger advocates for our kiddos.

I certainly am not the end all be all when it comes to medical knowledge--although I have been through many a medical facts flashcard with my husband during his four years of medical school and residency! Sometimes it makes him laugh because he will start into a description of an illness that he saw that day, and I will identify it right off the bat. When he asks me how I could know that, I remind him that when I was holding up flashcards for him before step level exams, I wasn't totally checked out mentally

Seriously--I would probably stop commenting here if I really thought that people were just taking my thoughts and running with them without talking to their pediatrician first. But I don't have any reason to believe that is what is happening.

sooner1981 · November 2012

NatesLady1309:
Jen0204:

But if you would like to assume that I look to Sooner for guidance on making all medical decisions for my children that's fine. It's not the first (or last) time you'll assume something incorrect.

It's hard to debate that she often comes across as being a "source of all knowledge" of sorts.

Jen--thanks for not relying on me for guidance on making your medical decisions. Man, that would be a lot of pressure for this non-medically trained lawyer!

NatesLady--I don't even know where to begin. When people exchange information and facts, that is called "having a conversation" or "debating a topic." If you thinking providing facts in discussions among peers is "bullying" or trying to be the "source of all knowledge," I can only think that you probably don't have much experience in these kinds of communications. But I can promise you that I have never once claimed to be "the source of all knowledge." I think God might be a little peeved if I tried to make that claim... But thanks for thinking of me in such high regards!

MollySm · November 2012

Sorry, I wasn't saying that people should follow you blindly. Just supporting Jen in her including info from you in her decision. For me, the Vicks thing is something that I was probably not going to do anyway. So I appreciated hearing the research, didn't feel any need to research it on my own because I was probably not going to do it anyway, and because I don't feel like you would make it up. If you told me research said I should feed the Vicks to my baby, I would research before doing it But this seem reasonable and for me wasn't worth the time to do the research on my own.

Jen0204 · November 2012

Sooner, I use your posts as they're intended - as a source of information. As justadog has shown - and as I've seen in working with two different practices with the girls - there isn't an agreed upon standard among pediatricians/nurses for many things so it's important to get as much information as possible.

callalilly323 · November 2012

justadogmommy:
it was a tough decision to not vaccinate. I just don't trust all the ingredients and the insult on the immune system at once. I only wish the best for my baby and everyone's little ones. I just have seen some pretty devastating effects from vaccines and I know the diseases could be devastating as well. it was a choice I had to make and don't judge anyone for vaccinating or not. I had extensive talks with my pediatrician and we still talk about it every visit. we might even choose to do some of the vaccines but would delay them and spread them out. I just had to comment because the comment about not loving my baby really got to me.

It's lucky that you're able to have conversations with your pediatrician about this on a regular basis. My pediatricians (and most of the pediatricians in my densely populated area) refuse to treat patients who aren't vaccinated.

justadogmommy · November 2012

I'm confident in my decision to not vaccinate. I am not a conspiracy theorist and I have done research from different areas not Internet searches only. I respect parents rights to choose what they feel is best for them and their children. I'm an educated individual and I think I pretty good nurse who would not judge or wish I'll will on anyone's children. most of my friends vaccinate and that is great. I did not want to start a debate but for people not knowing my experiences or situation with my daughter who has a couple medical issues I did not mention and to call me ignorant is just not right as a human. I think I am an excellent parent and god gave this beautiful daughter to me after years of infertility. I don't judge others I care for them as if they were my own when they are my patients. that's it. I'm not debating this anymore over the Internet. norayang is a smart cookie. I like her:

sooner1981 · November 2012

I usually subscribe to the theory of "live and let live." As I said above, however, this is one of those situations where I do think other people's decisions impact my child's safety--and that raises my hackles. I have never wished ill on your child--I only said that I believe that your decision may cause your child and others to suffer needlessly.

I truly don't believe that you have discovered some secret source of information that your pediatrician doesn't know about (hence his frequent conversations with you to try to get you to change your mind about vaccinations). But, hey, if you have, surely you would want to share it with the rest of us so that we could all be educated, right?

Please don't pass judgment on what is right or wrong "as a human." First, everyone has said numerous times that if a child has exhibited actual medical sensitivities to vaccinations, that is a well-recognized exception to the general rule that all children should be vaccinated. In fact, herd immunity is so important for those exact situations. But, again, since your pediatrician is trying to get you to vaccinate your child, I am going to go out on a limb and say that she likely doesn't fall into the category of "cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons."

You may be an excellent parent in a lot of other situations. And I am very happy that you have a child after wanting one for so long. But, I guess I just still can't understand how you can value your child so greatly, but still deny medical care that is so important towards their lifelong health?

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