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Tori Spelling and Multiple C/S
I have had 3 c/s. My c/s were a result of failure to progress in a reached your due date induction with a low bishops score. My second two were hospitals not being supportive of VBAC. I went into labor w/my 3rd child but had to c/s because hospital did not allow VBA2C.
My 3rd c/s resulted in a MRSA infection, I was hospitalized for 2 weeks at 6weeks pp and had another surgery to remove the infection b/c IV antibiotics (Vancomyacin) was not working. If the surgery hadn't worked, I would not be alive.
I'm so grateful that my children are here safely and I'm healthy. I wish I'd been more informed with my first child and had asked more questions to my dr and not let them do all the interventions that led to my baby being born via c/s.
I found Tori's story and I feel like it's just a heads up on some real complications from multiple c/s that aren't always publicized. Tori's 4th pregnancy resulted in complications including placenta previa, more common with multiple c/s, uterine rupture, and post surgery complications. I hope she recovers and is able to get healthy to enjoy her family.
I wish that more drs would treat every pregnancy as a new pregnancy and make decisions based on how the current pregnancy is going, patient's history, and scientific facts. I'm not saying that I want everyone to attempt VBAC. I just want people to get safe health care based on what's best for them and their baby.
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Re: Tori Spelling and Multiple C/S
Where did you find this info? The article you linked just said she had emerg. surgery due to complications.
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Here's another article- sounds like the entire pregnancy was a nightmare. And I am hoping she and her husband take a few steps back and plan not to do this again since she and the baby were at such risk in this pregnancy.
https://todayentertainment.today.com/_news/2012/10/10/14341686-tori-spelling-shows-off-baby-finn-describes-grueling-pregnancy?lite#__utma=14933801.1533126034.1349033142.1349915427.1349919260.16&__utmb=14933801.1.10.1349919260&__utmc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1349033142.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)&__utmv=14933801.|8=Earned%20By=msnbc%7Ccover=1^12=Landing%20Content=Mixed=1^13=Landing%20Hostname=www.nbcnews.com=1^30=Visit%20Type%20to%20Content=Earned%20to%20Mixed=1&__utmk=142326194
Agreed! And well said.
Right now, only about 8% of women are even given the chance to VBAC in the US, though up to about 70% of women are successful when they *do* attempt it - that's a lot of RCS that could be avoided. I think it is just so shameful that hospitals can deny women the right to do what they want with their body (in terms of VBAC bans, etc.).
I think doctors and hospitals really downplay the side effects and risks of multiple c-sections, and overstate the risk of VBAC. One RCS and VBAC have about the same percentage of risks - but the more CS you have, the riskier they become, not to mention the riskier your future pregnancies can become. A study came out this summer that estimates 1 in 10 women suffer from infections from CS, which is higher than previously thought. And the rates of placenta accreta are sky rocketing - because so many more women are having RCS.
It doesn't sound like her pregnancy was risky *only* because her babies were close in age.
Getting off my soapbox now!
DS2 - Oct 2010 (my VBAC baby!)
I don't think anyone said it was *only* because her babies were close in age. Of course there is an increased risk, but some of us do NOT have the option of a VBAC.
Exactly. And some of us need c-sections for completely different medical reasons. It's really important to be informed about the risks, and ideal to avoid a c-section if you can, but not every woman who has one is some kind of victim of the system. Many c-section moms are doing what is best for the health of themselves and their baby.
In other developed countries where VBACs are the norm and c/s's are ONLY for emergencies, etc, the VBAC rates are upwards of 85-90%. Most of these countries have midwives deliver vaginal deliveries and the OB's only step in if there is an issue and surgery is necessary. They have lower mortality rates for babies and moms. Not saying that the VBAC thing is the only reason this is the case, but it is part of it. Their electives inductions are much lower also, which is also a big factor.
In the U.S., it's not just our high c/s rate, it's the high rate of unnecessary medical interventions in births. In some hospitals, upwards of 80% of delivering moms receive pit during their labor- you can't convince me that 80% of babies/moms would have died or had complications. The human race wouldn't exist if that were the case!
This is not to say that c/s's aren't important and that there aren't emergencies and that none of those interventions should exist, I'm just saying I hope the pendulum swings back a bit and finds a better medium when it comes to childbirth.
(I'm also not saying that every c/s mom is a victim of the system, but some are. I had to fight HARD to VBAC even though I had a serious allergic reaction to the c/s that put me back in the hospital. Why would they rather risk that with me again? Not sure. If I hadn't been such a PITA and switch providers and hospitals to get the care I knew was safest for me and my child, I would have been a victim, in my mind.)
If there were no RCS, I wouldn't have any living children.
My FIL is an ob/gyn and I have asked him about multiple c/s. According to him the philopsphy is, if you already had a c/s, your body suffered a trauma in one area, when there is a second birth, it's better to do a c/s, so you don't introduce a trauma to another part of the body. I reallize his idea might be old school because he was trained in Germany in the 60s, but I think it is still being widely practiced.
I don't know about Tori's situation, but I read this in one of the tabloid magz, so take it or leave it, most of the time celebs go for a scheduled c/s, and try to have it schedule earliest the dr allows, because they don't want any birth pressure mis-shape their body. I think the story I was reading was about things celebs do, to be able to maintain their figure after having a baby, and Victoria Beckham was one of them.
There are a lot of women who've still gone on to have successful VBACs after failure to progress. My own VBAC baby was 10.5 lbs, and over 23" - 2+ pounds and inches bigger than his brother (who didn't come out after 4+ hours of pushing). Even the diagnosis of CPD is somewhat questionable, as a lot less women truly have it than are "diagnosed" with it after an unsuccessful vaginal birth.
The 65% figure comes from all VBACs - induced, etc. If women were given more women-friendly settings, and less restrictions (which a lot of VBACs are - you have to go into labor by x date, the baby can only be a certain size, etc), chances are the success rate would be even higher, quite frankly. ETA: I see MAprincess beat me to it!
Do you know that 50% of pregnancies in the US are unplanned? I don't think she was planning on getting pg so soon.
DS2 - Oct 2010 (my VBAC baby!)
Obviously not all women are candidates for VBAC, no one is claiming that in this thread. But a lot more than 8% of women *are* candidates for VBAC.
DS2 - Oct 2010 (my VBAC baby!)
You did say it, though. It's right there in your post. I was pointing out the fact that women can and do have VBACs after FTP, so it's not a cut-and-dry determiner of who should or shouldn't VBAC.
No one is saying all women need to VBAC. No one.
Like I said before, right now only 8% of women are even given the option - that's a lot of RCS that could be VBACs. Because when you start getting into 3+ CS, the risks do go up, whereas having multiple VBACs doesn't get any riskier.
DS2 - Oct 2010 (my VBAC baby!)
Why is it your business? Do you know that she wasn't using protection?
DS2 - Oct 2010 (my VBAC baby!)
Bad things can happen during any delivery. Yes sometimes multiple csections can put the risk up a little bit, but I know people that had infections and horrible things happen with a regular delivery.
Her last two kids were very close together and it just may be that it did add the risk to have the issues she did.
My Mom had four sections and her last two were 11 months apart and she was in her forties at that point and she only had a problem with me (her second section)
Not saying that it is totally "safe" but it is what it is.
VBACs actually are not always safe either, each person is different.
My Mom almost died having me and she was attempting a VBAC, but like I said my brother and sister were born just fine 12 years later by csection.
It happened and I am glad that she is alright as well as her children.
This is more likely closest to the truth than any other statistic about RCS vs VBAC.
It's insurance companies more than potential lawsuits. VBACs were a lot more common in the 90s, because insurance companies were pushing for them. Unfortunately, a lot of women were getting induced with VBAC, or being pressed into a VBAC when they shouldn't have, so there were some pretty tragic cases of uterine rupture. Instead of the medical establishment revising who should VBAC, or putting restrictions on inducing VBAC, the pendulum swung all the way in the other direction and virtually banned them.
If a doctor is told that they won't be insured for VBAC, very few are going to keep on allowing them. The whole thing is shameful, IMO.
DS2 - Oct 2010 (my VBAC baby!)
DS2 - Oct 2010 (my VBAC baby!)