I judge...

MrsI · September 2012

to get the board moving everyone write what they judge others on. This is not meant to hurt anyone's feeling just liven us up a bit and get some discussion going. Maybe if you see something someone judges and you want to "explain" why you do it we can start a new post on that specific topic??? I dunno I am just bored

I judge when children use spout sippy cups forever. If your child is 4 they don't need a sippy. If you need a spill proof option get a reusable water bottle for them, they are mostly spill proof and a 4yo is mature enough to handle it.

andrea_J_02 · September 2012

Where's the "like" button!??!

I'm not sure about the 4yr old sippy cup thing... I have no clue. The only thing I can thinking of off the top of my head that I judge (internally, usually) is parents FFing their child that are 1.5 or younger. Even sometimes if they're a bit older, like 2. Bad, I know. Tongue Tied

butterfly62682 · September 2012

andrea_J_02:
Where's the "like" button!??! I'm not sure about the 4yr old sippy cup thing... I have no clue. The only thing I can thinking of off the top of my head that I judge (internally, usually) is parents FFing their child that are 1.5 or younger. Even sometimes if they're a bit older, like 2. Bad, I know.

I could have written this word for word. But usually I am not so quiet about it.

ETA: I need to learn to spell.

dannie2011 · September 2012

andrea_J_02:
Where's the "like" button!??! I'm not sure about the 4yr old sippy cup thing... I have no clue. The only thing I can thinking of off the top of my head that I judge (internally, usually) is parents FFing their child that are 1.5 or younger. Even sometimes if they're a bit older, like 2. Bad, I know.

I don't like seeing that, but I don't judge the parents because many have no clue. I judge the Doctors because they do know about the recommendation and many don't say anything, they don't even have a poster up with the new rec's. All they have is the old stuff up in waiting rooms or exam rooms. That bugs me more.

The sippy cup thing, is no big deal to me, having 5 kids I learned to not sweat the small stuff.

I tend to judge the ppl up the street. Their oldest(16) hangs out with my older daughter(17), their youngest hes 11 used to play with my youngest son. Anyways they got to be the weirdest people around. The kids cannot go outside before 4pm during the week, and 2pm on the weekends. This is not something like they have school work or medical reasons. It is just their mother, she won't even let her son go for a bike ride around the block, he pretty much can't leave the yard. It is the same for their daughter except she can go to the mall and spend hours at the mall without her parents. If she spends the night her mother calls her in the morning to tell her she has to go home. She can't stay for breakfast, and it is not about eating special food or diet. OK I'm going to stop I can go on for ever.

Jills83 · September 2012

I judge people who swear excessively in front of their children. Accidentally saying sh*t or ass here and there is no big deal to me. But I think using f*ck as every other word in a sentence in front of your kids makes you look trashy. My neighbors across the street swear constantly in front of their three little kids (ages 3-9). It drives me nuts.

sugarbear0524 · September 2012

I judge 2 things big time...

1. People who give their toddlers/babies coke/DP/mountain dew or whatever. A family member was at a fast food place recently and the woman in front of him handed a baby bottle over to the cashier and requested a refill. On what planet is this an acceptable option for a baby/toddler to drink?

2. People who smoke in around their kids (double judge if they are in the car). Even if people smoke outside, it's on their hair, clothes, skin, etc. I feel so sorry for the kids who are stuck inside a car with people smoking. That's abuse, in my opinion.

MammaBear81 · September 2012

butterfly62682:
andrea_J_02:
Where's the "like" button!??! I'm not sure about the 4yr old sippy cup thing... I have no clue. The only thing I can thinking of off the top of my head that I judge (internally, usually) is parents FFing their child that are 1.5 or younger. Even sometimes if they're a bit older, like 2. Bad, I know.
I could have written this word for word. But usually I am not so quiet about it.
ETA: I need to learn to spell.

Me too.. unless there is a health reason your child is FF (like projectile vomiting every car trip) there is just no reason to turn your child FF which is a less safe option.

To get off the topic of car seats- I judge parents who let their children get up and walk around (or play on the floor) and are loud at restaurants. If your child can't/won't sit quietly then please leave, the rest of us are eating, and I'm tired of explaining to my kids nicely why they can't get up and play with you.

butterfly62682 · September 2012

MammaBear81:
I judge parents who let their children get up and walk around (or play on the floor) and are loud at restaurants. If your child can't/won't sit quietly then please leave, the rest of us are eating, and I'm tired of explaining to my kids nicely why they can't get up and play with you.

Good one! I have another.

I judge when parents don't discipline their children. I don't care what form of discipline you use, as long as you use it. We have had so many problems with Avery's cousin beating up on her and forcefully taking things from her and not being disciplined for it. We had to stop going to see them or leave as soon as her DS started acting out.

Please stop teaching my child the wrong way to act because you are too weak not to teach your child the right way to act.

kas80 · September 2012

I judged a mom at the playground this morning. Her son so clearly wanted her to play with him but she just gabbed on her cell phone the entire time. It wasn't a work call, just social. Put it down momma.

Sunidaze · September 2012

sugarbear0524:

2. People who smoke in around their kids (double judge if they are in the car). Even if people smoke outside, it's on their hair, clothes, skin, etc. I feel so sorry for the kids who are stuck inside a car with people smoking. That's abuse, in my opinion.

Memories from childhood - every year at around Mother's Day, we took a four-hour drive to a very small town outside Athens, Ohio to visit grandparents (Dad's parents). Minimum four of us, maximum six in a sedan. I can clearly recall several of these trips were made while Dad was chewing on a stogie. If not that, then chain smoking L&Ms. Ain't no wonder why three out of four of us ended up smokers (I have smoked just once since learning I was pregnant...at a wedding earlier this summer...I haven't had but a drink or two since that night as well).

wendy46001 · September 2012

The soda for babies is the one that bothers me the most. Followed closely by older kids in strollers (random but we live close to theme parks)

justme04 · September 2012

MrsI:

to get the board moving everyone write what they judge others on. This is not meant to hurt anyone's feeling just liven us up a bit and get some discussion going. Maybe if you see something someone judges and you want to "explain" why you do it we can start a new post on that specific topic??? I dunno I am just bored

I judge when children use spout sippy cups forever. If your child is 4 they don't need a sippy. If you need a spill proof option get a reusable water bottle for them, they are mostly spill proof and a 4yo is mature enough to handle it.

My 3 year old is more then capable of using a cup. He still uses the termos style sippy cups when not at a table because of his brother. Right now there is just no safe place to leave a cup with DS2 around....I don't even use a cup...I drink out of a water bottle with a screw on top! I should probly just get another smaller water bottle for DS1 but I didn't think about that until I read your post...lol!

I judge on a pacifier and a bottle after 1. And honestly I think the pacifier should be gone by 6 months...by then they should be able to self soothe.

Sunidaze · September 2012

Spooko:

andrea_J_02:
Where's the "like" button!??! I'm not sure about the 4yr old sippy cup thing... I have no clue. The only thing I can thinking of off the top of my head that I judge (internally, usually) is parents FFing their child that are 1.5 or younger. Even sometimes if they're a bit older, like 2. Bad, I know.

I totally thought you were talking about formula feeding. I couldn't understand why it was the kids under 1.5 that you had a problem with drinking formula Good thing I kept reading.

This was my initial thought as well.

kas80 · September 2012

justme04:
MrsI:

to get the board moving everyone write what they judge others on.  This is not meant to hurt anyone's feeling just liven us up a bit and get some discussion going.  Maybe if you see something someone judges and you want to "explain" why you do it we can start a new post on that specific topic???  I dunno I am just bored

I judge when children use spout sippy cups forever.  If your child is 4 they don't need a sippy.  If you need a spill proof option get a reusable water bottle for them, they are mostly spill proof and a 4yo is mature enough to handle it.

My 3 year old is more then capable of using a cup.  He still uses the termos style sippy cups when not at a table because of his brother.  Right now there is just no safe place to leave a cup with DS2 around....I don't even use a cup...I drink out of a water bottle with a screw on top!  I should probly just get another smaller water bottle for DS1 but I didn't think about that until I read your post...lol!

 I judge on a pacifier and a bottle after 1.  And honestly I think the pacifier should be gone by 6 months...by then they should be able to self soothe.

Haha my LO is 15 mos and still cannot self soothe. At all. She never took a paci, she just has to nurse to soothe. It's not like it magically happens at 6 mos.

nfrtny · September 2012

kas80:
justme04:
MrsI:

to get the board moving everyone write what they judge others on.  This is not meant to hurt anyone's feeling just liven us up a bit and get some discussion going.  Maybe if you see something someone judges and you want to "explain" why you do it we can start a new post on that specific topic???  I dunno I am just bored

I judge when children use spout sippy cups forever.  If your child is 4 they don't need a sippy.  If you need a spill proof option get a reusable water bottle for them, they are mostly spill proof and a 4yo is mature enough to handle it.

My 3 year old is more then capable of using a cup.  He still uses the termos style sippy cups when not at a table because of his brother.  Right now there is just no safe place to leave a cup with DS2 around....I don't even use a cup...I drink out of a water bottle with a screw on top!  I should probly just get another smaller water bottle for DS1 but I didn't think about that until I read your post...lol!

 I judge on a pacifier and a bottle after 1.  And honestly I think the pacifier should be gone by 6 months...by then they should be able to self soothe.

Haha my LO is 15 mos and still cannot self soothe. At all. She never took a paci, she just has to nurse to soothe. It's not like it magically happens at 6 mos.

ITA. DS only took a pacifier briefly around six months, otherwise he was nursing to soothe, and he still has a bottle. He won't suck his fingers, he has no attachment to any toy blanket or stuffed animal. There's not some switch that flips when they hit six months. Am I a bad mom? Should I start disicplining DS cause he can't self soothe? Lol!

CarlaAndJames · September 2012

Spooko:
andrea_J_02:
Where's the "like" button!??! I'm not sure about the 4yr old sippy cup thing... I have no clue. The only thing I can thinking of off the top of my head that I judge (internally, usually) is parents FFing their child that are 1.5 or younger. Even sometimes if they're a bit older, like 2. Bad, I know.

I totally thought you were talking about formula feeding. I couldn't understand why it was the kids under 1.5 that you had a problem with drinking formula Good thing I kept reading.

i thought so too. I was like wow. really? i was a pretty gung-ho breastfeeder, but I never judged a mom for feeding her baby! Glad I kept reading too

tulipblossom · September 2012

MammaBear81:
butterfly62682:
andrea_J_02:
Where's the "like" button!??!   I'm not sure about the 4yr old sippy cup thing... I have no clue. The only thing I can thinking of off the top of my head that I judge (internally, usually) is parents FFing their child that are 1.5 or younger. Even sometimes if they're a bit older, like 2. Bad, I know.
I could have written this word for word. But usually I am not so quiet about it. 
ETA: I need to learn to spell.
Me too.. unless there is a health reason your child is FF (like projectile vomiting every car trip) there is just no reason to turn your child FF which is a less safe option.
To get off the topic of car seats- I judge parents who let their children get up and walk around (or play on the floor) and are loud at restaurants.  If your child can't/won't sit quietly then please leave, the rest of us are eating, and I'm tired of explaining to my kids nicely why they can't get up and play with you.

I was at IHOP once and these 2 kids were running on top of the table and in the window sill there table was next to screaming and pounding on the window. They must have been 5 to 7 years old. Their mom, dad, and grandmother all just sat there at the table and said not a single word to them till they got up to leave. And all the grandmother said was, maybe now that we are leaving these people can have a nice dinner.

CarlaAndJames · September 2012

justme04:

I judge on a pacifier and a bottle after 1. And honestly I think the pacifier should be gone by 6 months...by then they should be able to self soothe.

You've said this before, and I'm sorry, but I totally rolled my eyes then too. Seriously? You have two kids and they both magically learned to self soothe at 6 months? I'm going to guess you have either held or comforted them in some other way other than a paci when they are upset since then. A paci is a tool, like anything else. Why make my daughter take 10 minutes to calm her down when I can calm her down in a half second by giving her something that's causing her zero harm?

To mention pacis and bottles in the same post with things like giving a child soda or blowing cigarette smoke in their face is asinine.

JuneBug0611 · September 2012

kas80:
I judged a mom at the playground this morning. Her son so clearly wanted her to play with him but she just gabbed on her cell phone the entire time. It wasn't a work call, just social. Put it down momma.

Yes! I judged a mom for this this weekend. She only looked up from her iPhone to scream at her two boys with empty threats ("Don't take that sand out of the sand box! I mean it! If you do, we're going home! I said not to do that! Put it back! If you don't, we're going home!"), which they totally ignored. It made me so sad. The only attention they were getting was negative attention and screaming whenever she bothered to look up from her iPhone. She made no effort to play with them or engage with them at all. So sad.

justme04 · September 2012

CarlaAndJames:
justme04:

I judge on a pacifier and a bottle after 1. And honestly I think the pacifier should be gone by 6 months...by then they should be able to self soothe.

You've said this before, and I'm sorry, but I totally rolled my eyes then too. Seriously? You have two kids and they both magically learned to self soothe at 6 months? I'm going to guess you have either held or comforted them in some other way other than a paci when they are upset since then. A paci is a tool, like anything else. Why make my daughter take 10 minutes to calm her down when I can calm her down in a half second by giving her something that's causing her zero harm?

To mention pacis and bottles in the same post with things like giving a child soda or blowing cigarette smoke in their face is asinine.

DS1 self soothed when he was still in the NICU...couldn't get him to take a pacifier. DS2 didn't really take to the pacifier either...he was done with it by 3 months. And I know not every child learns to self soothe by 6 months. But if your still sticking a pacifier in their mouths after a year to get them to shut up you have a problem...and your not helping them learn to self soothe!

butterfly62682 · September 2012

CarlaAndJames:
justme04:

I judge on a pacifier and a bottle after 1. And honestly I think the pacifier should be gone by 6 months...by then they should be able to self soothe.
You've said this before, and I'm sorry, but I totally rolled my eyes then too. Seriously? You have two kids and they both magically learned to self soothe at 6 months? I'm going to guess you have either held or comforted them in some other way other than a paci when they are upset since then. A paci is a tool, like anything else. Why make my daughter take 10 minutes to calm her down when I can calm her down in a half second by giving her something that's causing her zero harm?
To mention pacis and bottles in the same post with things like giving a child soda or blowing cigarette smoke in their face is asinine.

I think I have to agree with Carla here. I guess you could say I am judging you for judging me about giving Avery a pacifier. (Which can totally go both ways and I am fine with that.)

I don't plan on weaning her from it until she is 2. She gets it all day long as much as she wants it. Because that is her comfort. She isn't attached to anything else. And at this point it is doing no harm. And she can self soothe, with the help of her pacifier.

Even the Mayo Clinic says normal pacifier use during the first FEW years doesn't cause long term tooth damage. And also, that most children are weaned from a pacifier between the ages of 2 - 4. Here

Also, the AAP recommends pacifier use until the age of 1 to help reduce the risk of SIDS.

Sorry if it seems I am attacking you. I am just disagreeing with your opinion. Which is why I think this was started, to get the conversation going.

kimbo1216 · September 2012

justme04:

DS1 self soothed when he was still in the NICU...couldn't get him to take a pacifier.nbsp; DS2 didn't really take to the pacifier either...he was done with it by 3 months.nbsp; And I know not every child learns to self soothe by 6 months.nbsp; But if your still sticking a pacifier in their mouths after a year to get them to shut up you have a problem...and your not helping them learn to self soothe!

We get it. You are the perfect parent. Those of us that give our children a paci are terrible parents. You have told us this before.

I don't think there is anything wrong with allowing my child to have a paci for sleep and emergencies. And if I let her have it for more, what is the big deal? It is not doing any harm.

I just don't see why you are getting your panties all in a wad over something so trivial. I'd understand if we are talking major safety issues. But it's a paci.

Ashley40705 · September 2012

I judge moms and/or dads that put the infant carseat on the top part (seat) of the shopping cart. I know a lot of parents do it...it just really bothers me. Tongue Tied

aanchor · September 2012

kimbo1216:
justme04:
DS1 self soothed when he was still in the NICU...couldn't get him to take a pacifier.nbsp; DS2 didn't really take to the pacifier either...he was done with it by 3 months.nbsp; And I know not every child learns to self soothe by 6 months.nbsp; But if your still sticking a pacifier in their mouths after a year to get them to shut up you have a problem...and your not helping them learn to self soothe!
We get it. You are the perfect parent. Those of us that give our children a paci are terrible parents. You have told us this before. I don't think there is anything wrong with allowing my child to have a paci for sleep and emergencies. And if I let her have it for more, what is the big deal? It is not doing any harm. I just don't see why you are getting your panties all in a wad over something so trivial. I'd understand if we are talking major safety issues. But it's a paci.

:::Stands up and claps:::

Seriously, it is just a paci. And FYI, I am not sticking it in his mouth to "shut him up". Geez Indifferent

butterfly62682 · September 2012

aanchor:
kimbo1216:
justme04:
DS1 self soothed when he was still in the NICU...couldn't get him to take a pacifier.nbsp; DS2 didn't really take to the pacifier either...he was done with it by 3 months.nbsp; And I know not every child learns to self soothe by 6 months.nbsp; But if your still sticking a pacifier in their mouths after a year to get them to shut up you have a problem...and your not helping them learn to self soothe!
We get it. You are the perfect parent. Those of us that give our children a paci are terrible parents. You have told us this before. .

:::Stands up and claps:::

Seriously, it is just a paci. And FYI, I am not sticking it in his mouth to "shut him up". Geez

She usually sticks it in her own mouth. Actually I don't know the last time I put it in her mouth myself.

justme04 · September 2012

kimbo1216:
justme04:
DS1 self soothed when he was still in the NICU...couldn't get him to take a pacifier.nbsp; DS2 didn't really take to the pacifier either...he was done with it by 3 months.nbsp; And I know not every child learns to self soothe by 6 months.nbsp; But if your still sticking a pacifier in their mouths after a year to get them to shut up you have a problem...and your not helping them learn to self soothe!
We get it. You are the perfect parent. Those of us that give our children lack are terrible parents. You have told us this before. I don't think there is anything wrong with allowing my child to have a paci for sleep and Emergencies. And if I let he have it for more, what I the big deal? It is not doing any harm. I just don't see why you are getting your panties all in a wad over something do trivial. I'd understand if we are talking major safety issues. But it's a paci.

I never claimed to be a perfect parent. And I thought the point of this post was to list things we were judgy about. I don't remeber ever listing the things that bother me before so I'm sorry if it was repeatative. I just think its ridiculous that I'm being attacked for what I said when some of the other posts aren't....besides I judge people who smoke around children. Obviously pregnant women who smoke during their pregnancy....ran into one of those the other day. People who give young children pop and numerous other things. I was merely trying to list something I didn't agree with because I was always told that giving a child a pacifier past a year stunted their ability to learn to soothe themselves. And my disagrement with the whole things lies more with parents who clearly shove a pacifier in their kids face to make them shut up, rather then those who are gradually weaning or are giving it for other reasons.....because I know it can take some time.

And I have to say I respect Butterfly for not attack me and giving me her own reasons and research for continued Pacifier use...which is what the OP suggested in starting a conversation over these things.

But since my opinion is so offensive I'll retract it and start over:

I hate people who let their children run up to dogs they don't know. I think parents should teach their children to be respectful of animals and cautious around animals they don't know.

Gwyneddlesliegrace · September 2012

A. My oldest had her paci until she was two, if she had not I would have died.

B. I think it is how you worded it that upset Kimbo.

C. I agree that it is a tool, my dd used my breast to self soothed is that stunting her as well?

ETA: I meant to quote Justme in this. I'm a little rusty here!

MammaBear81 · September 2012

butterfly62682:
CarlaAndJames:
justme04:

I judge on a pacifier and a bottle after 1. And honestly I think the pacifier should be gone by 6 months...by then they should be able to self soothe.
You've said this before, and I'm sorry, but I totally rolled my eyes then too. Seriously? You have two kids and they both magically learned to self soothe at 6 months? I'm going to guess you have either held or comforted them in some other way other than a paci when they are upset since then. A paci is a tool, like anything else. Why make my daughter take 10 minutes to calm her down when I can calm her down in a half second by giving her something that's causing her zero harm?
To mention pacis and bottles in the same post with things like giving a child soda or blowing cigarette smoke in their face is asinine.
I think I have to agree with Carla here. I guess you could say I am judging you for judging me about giving Avery a pacifier. (Which can totally go both ways and I am fine with that.)
I don't plan on weaning her from it until she is 2. She gets it all day long as much as she wants it. Because that is her comfort. She isn't attached to anything else. And at this point it is doing no harm. And she can self soothe, with the help of her pacifier.
Even the Mayo Clinic says normal pacifier use during the first FEW years doesn't cause long term tooth damage. And also, that most children are weaned from a pacifier between the ages of 2 - 4. Here
Also, the AAP recommends pacifier use until the age of 1 to help reduce the risk of SIDS.
Sorry if it seems I am attacking you. I am just disagreeing with your opinion. Which is why I think this was started, to get the conversation going.

I don't judge using a paci after a year, but I do judge the parents of the children that have them hanging out of their mouths 24/7 (think Teen Mom). If you want to calm them down, great, but your child shouldn't learn how to talk with the paci still in their mouth (it actually causes speech issues).

Same thing with bottles, I nixed them at 1, but if you want to keep the night time bottle for awhile fine, but walking around with it all day is a bit much.

CarlaAndJames · September 2012

i think this is appropriate here...

butterfly62682 · September 2012

MammaBear81:
butterfly62682:
I think I have to agree with Carla here. I guess you could say I am judging you for judging me about giving Avery a pacifier. (Which can totally go both ways and I am fine with that.)
I don't plan on weaning her from it until she is 2. She gets it all day long as much as she wants it. Because that is her comfort. She isn't attached to anything else. And at this point it is doing no harm. And she can self soothe, with the help of her pacifier.
Even the Mayo Clinic says normal pacifier use during the first FEW years doesn't cause long term tooth damage. And also, that most children are weaned from a pacifier between the ages of 2 - 4. Here
Also, the AAP recommends pacifier use until the age of 1 to help reduce the risk of SIDS.
Sorry if it seems I am attacking you. I am just disagreeing with your opinion. Which is why I think this was started, to get the conversation going.
I don't judge using a paci after a year, but I do judge the parents of the children that have them hanging out of their mouths 24/7 (think Teen Mom). If you want to calm them down, great, but your child shouldn't learn how to talk with the paci still in their mouth (it actually causes speech issues).
Same thing with bottles, I nixed them at 1, but if you want to keep the night time bottle for awhile fine, but walking around with it all day is a bit much.

She doesn't have it hanging out of her mouth 24/7. I just said she has access to it all day, when she wants it. Most of the time it gets thrown under the couch or put in a drawer and we look for it before nap, bedtime or car rides. But then again I don't feel as if I am doing any harm to her at this point. Her speech is clear and she is on track with where she should be.

At 18 months, we plan to make it a nap, bedtime, car ride only thing and at two years completely wean. But thanks for your opinion.

And this was all said in a very non-snarky voice. JSYK

ETA: Also, when we are out and about it is put up because she finds it funny to throw it on the floor and say "Uh Oh"!

butterfly62682 · September 2012

crunchymama11:
:::walks in, notes replies, runs out as fast as possible:::

You don't want to join us?

folkfemme · September 2012

CarlaAndJames:
i think this is appropriate here...

I really hate this picture.

Reason - I judge mothers who circumcise their sons. This picture implies that circumcision "okay" and "normal". To me, there is nothing normal about ripping, prying and cutting off a functional, and highly sensitive part of a newborn's body. Especially without their consent.

I usually would have never, ever posted this, because I really don't want to start a war, of any kind.... but given the post title and my general loathing for this picture....

MammaBear81 · September 2012

lovelovelovelovelove:
CarlaAndJames:
i think this is appropriate here...

I really hate this picture.

Reason - I judge mothers who circumcise their sons. This picture implies that circumcision "okay" and "normal". To me, there is nothing normal about ripping, prying and cutting off a functional, and highly sensitive part of a newborn's body. Especially without their consent.

I usually would have never, ever posted this, because I really don't want to start a war, of any kind.... but given the post title and my general loathing for this picture....

I thought the same exact thing, but didn't have the guts to say it first! I totally agree with you!

folkfemme · September 2012

MammaBear81:
lovelovelovelovelove:
CarlaAndJames:
i think this is appropriate here...

I really hate this picture.

Reason - I judge mothers who circumcise their sons. This picture implies that circumcision "okay" and "normal". To me, there is nothing normal about ripping, prying and cutting off a functional, and highly sensitive part of a newborn's body. Especially without their consent.

I usually would have never, ever posted this, because I really don't want to start a war, of any kind.... but given the post title and my general loathing for this picture....
I thought the same exact thing, but didn't have the guts to say it first! I totally agree with you!

I'm just starting to realize that by saying nothing about my real thoughts on circumcision, it will continue to happen... There's a war happening against routine circumcision, and it's time for us all to stand up for the rights of baby boys too.

ETA: I realize that I am just one person, and in the grand scheme of things, my opinion alone does not matter, nor does it amount to anything.

However, the more I research, the more equally disgusted and amazed I become. (Disgusted at circumcision, and amazed at the millions of people who are willing to speak their minds about it, and the fact that there are entire intactavist groups standing up and fighting for the rights of ALL babies.)

just kita · September 2012

MammaBear81:
lovelovelovelovelove:
CarlaAndJames:
i think this is appropriate here...

I really hate this picture.

Reason - I judge mothers who circumcise their sons. This picture implies that circumcision "okay" and "normal". To me, there is nothing normal about ripping, prying and cutting off a functional, and highly sensitive part of a newborn's body. Especially without their consent.

I usually would have never, ever posted this, because I really don't want to start a war, of any kind.... but given the post title and my general loathing for this picture....
I thought the same exact thing, but didn't have the guts to say it first! I totally agree with you!

Maybe she did it for religious reasons? I don't know a lot about the debate, but I thought religious circumcision was sort of given a free pass from the judgement given to people who do it for other reasons.

Anyway, I judge BFers, EBFers, EPers. I think it's a sort of reverse judgment for all the judging done by people who choose to BF to people who FF. When I find out someone BFs, instead of thinking "oh that's great" I tend to think, "I bet she thinks she's better than all the FFers". I just assume there is some smugness/superiority to go along with it.

folkfemme · September 2012

just kita:
MammaBear81:
lovelovelovelovelove:
CarlaAndJames:
i think this is appropriate here...

I really hate this picture.

Reason - I judge mothers who circumcise their sons. This picture implies that circumcision "okay" and "normal". To me, there is nothing normal about ripping, prying and cutting off a functional, and highly sensitive part of a newborn's body. Especially without their consent.

I usually would have never, ever posted this, because I really don't want to start a war, of any kind.... but given the post title and my general loathing for this picture....
I thought the same exact thing, but didn't have the guts to say it first! I totally agree with you!
Maybe she did it for religious reasons? I don't know a lot about the debate, but I thought religious circumcision was sort of given a free pass from the judgement given to people who do it for other reasons.
Anyway, I judge BFers, EBFers, EPers. I think it's a sort of reverse judgment for all the judging done by people who choose to BF to people who FF. When I find out someone BFs, instead of thinking "oh that's great" I tend to think, "I bet she thinks she's better than all the FFers". I just assume there is some smugness/superiority to go along with it.

The religion bit of it is a grey area to me, I must admit.

But then there is this - and my mind can't take it.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/baby-dies-herpes-virus-ritual-circumcision-nyc-orthodox/story?id=15888618

nfrtny · September 2012

lovelovelovelovelove:
just kita:
MammaBear81:
lovelovelovelovelove:
CarlaAndJames:
i think this is appropriate here...

I really hate this picture. 

Reason - I judge mothers who circumcise their sons. This picture implies that circumcision "okay" and "normal". To me, there is nothing normal about ripping, prying and cutting off a functional, and highly sensitive part of a newborn's body. Especially without their consent. 

I usually would have never, ever posted this, because I really don't want to start a war, of any kind.... but given the post title and my general loathing for this picture.... 
I thought the same exact thing, but didn't have the guts to say it first!  I totally agree with you!

Maybe she did it for religious reasons? I don't know a lot about the debate, but I thought religious circumcision was sort of given a free pass from the judgement given to people who do it for other reasons. 
Anyway, I judge BFers, EBFers, EPers. I think it's a sort of reverse judgment for all the judging done by people who choose to BF to people who FF. When I find out someone BFs, instead of thinking "oh that's great" I tend to think, "I bet she thinks she's better than all the FFers". I just assume there is some smugness/superiority to go along with it.
The religion bit of it is a grey area to me, I must admit.

But then there is this - and my mind can't take it. 
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/baby-dies-herpes-virus-ritual-circumcision-nyc-orthodox/story?id=15888618

WTF?????

DS is circumcised. I do not regret our decision. But, then again, no one was sucking his penis after it was done.

kimbo1216 · September 2012

@justme04. I probably wouldn't have taken your comment so offensively if you had not already said the exact.same.thing in my post a couple weeks ago asking for advice about a paci issue we were having. I asked for advice for our specific situation, not a general opinion on pacies. But for some reason you felt the need to get on your high horse then and again now. I just didnt see the point--especially not in my post.

MammaBear81 · September 2012

just kita:
MammaBear81:
lovelovelovelovelove:

Anyway, I judge BFers, EBFers, EPers. I think it's a sort of reverse judgment for all the judging done by people who choose to BF to people who FF. When I find out someone BFs, instead of thinking "oh that's great" I tend to think, "I bet she thinks she's better than all the FFers". I just assume there is some smugness/superiority to go along with it.

Well you know formula is poison, right?! (I'm just kidding, I really don't see how anyone could say that with a straight face)

I judge (people in general, not just moms) who do things "just because that's the way we have done it in the past"... Just because it was relevant 5 years ago, does not make it automatically relevant TODAY- do your research and move forward in the world.

butterfly62682 · September 2012

MammaBear81:

I judge people in general, not just moms who do things "just because that's the way we have done it in the past"... Just because it was relevant 5 years ago, does not make it automatically relevant TODAY do your research and move forward in the world.

This is how I feel about the whole ignorance about forward facing. I think I might judge someone more for ignorance than making an informed decision.

It is our responsibility as their parents to know these guidelines and safety rules. Ignorance isn't an excuse and it still kills.

magnoliablossom00 · September 2012

I judge moms who give their kids juice all the time. I mean, really? Full of sugar! I am not saying that I won't ever give LO juice, but certainly not any time soon. And when I do, I will "cut" it in half or more with water. I was at the grocery store tonight and picked up a juice box (just out of curiosity) and it had over 12grams of sugar in one teeny tiny box. Gosh- the recommended amount for a toddler (according to Parents magazine) is 5g for the entire day. It just annoys me that all these companies advertise juice to mothers as a way to be healthy, when it seems like such cr*p to me! So, I guess my vent is about the companies shoving it full of sugar and then advertising it to un-researched mothers as a good thing.

I don't mind circumcision and wouldn't ever judge someone for choosing it or not choosing it for their child. To me, that's another one of those soap box rants that people use to make themselves feel superior to the general population/other moms.

I don't judge pacis for kids this age, but I do judge when the kid is 3 or more. That's an actual kid, not a baby or a toddler. Take it away already!

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