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alyss0nl · September 2012

smilelari:
Just to clarify. I don't think that being a teacher is easy. I think it's really hard and that the pay sucks. I even think that our daycare teachers have a really hard job and don't get paid enough.
That said, I also think that unions suck and that striking is the equivalent of throwing a tantrum. I also think that unions create a lot of the pay problems that people complain about. If pay were determined based on each individual rather than on a group, the people that performed well would probably get raises. The people that didn't perform well, wouldn't get raises. That's the way it should be.
How do you measure performance? I guess I don't understand why it's that complicated. At my job, my boss rates me on several factors. I don't get why it couldn't work the same way.
Now, this will get me some hate, but it was mentioned that it's really hard to find a teaching job. That probably means that there are lots of teachers out there that are ready and willing to take jobs at lower rates. In most industries, that drives salaries down. If there are people willing to work for less, well I understand why the district isn't excited about paying more.

To measure performance, my principal comes and observes me 3 times a year based off a rubric given to him by the district. Pay can't be negotiated since we don't have Unions? I'm not quite sure how it works, but I didn't get a raise this year. I'm not throwing a tantrum about it either.

Merit pay would be awful in my district, since it's "underperforming" and many of our students are migrant, meaning they don't live in the same house permanently, and move around schools in the district or even hop to another district.

mama&baby · September 2012

alysson.lawless:
mama&baby:
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purple4u:
I think it's bs that when teachers strike they still get paid. Seriously wtf is that about. I don't disagree with standing up for what you believe in but getting paid for not working is absolute crap

That is one of the privileges to being in a union-job protection while fighting for what you need and deserve.

I still think its crap! Unions have way too much power

How else are public servants supposed to have their voice heard? It is bad enough that teachers are paid absolute_shit, you also want to take away their only means of fighting for legal protection, insurance coverage, and the like?

You don't want to get into this debate with me because it will never end. All I am saying is that teachers have a responsibility to students and vice versa. It's wrong to strike and be paid during school year. The whole summer just went by why not negotiate then? I am not saying they do not have the right to stand up for their beliefs and interests but why at the expens of students and being paid. Nonsense. I am done with this debate but feel free to continue to discuss I am stepping out before I say something nasty

I don't understand why a debate about unions needs to get nasty? I'm just wondering how a teacher strike is affecting your life so much that you can't even discuss a current event? Unpaid and overworked educators in the classroom negatively impact our students as well. And you can't negotiate a contract that isn't up for negotiation yet.

It may not affect me... but if I was one of the parents of those kids I would be pissed. Now I have to find daycare for my kid or take off work, even though I am paying taxes for my child's education, because a couple of their demands weren't met! The government WAS working with them to come to a compromise... but they didn't WANT to compromise. They had a 15% raise...... now I am sure that they probably were underpaid before and no I don't think that's right but in this economy you are lucky to have a job at all and I don't think it's the right time for a strike.

The teachers in my county have decent pay and great benefits. We're talking 90% benefits- more than the cops and the firefighters who put their lives on the line so we can be safe. Yet they and their union are ALWAYS bit*&ing about something. It's never enough for them. They have 3 months of paid vacation with the opportunity to make more if they decide to teach summer school. My MIL works in a dental office and every time a teacher makes an appointment they arealways bitc*ing about making it because she/he doesn't want to miss work. Sorry- everyone else has to as well! So you have to get a sub? Deal with it! I just don't get this argument where "I'm God's gift to you because I'm a teacher" comes from. You still have to work for your paycheck like everyone else.

Now... that being said I know that this is can be an overgeneralization. There are many great teachers out there (even some of the ones I mentioned with attitude issues are great teachers). It's just many of the ones I have encountered (only outside of the classroom) act this way and it's ridiculous.

This is an incredibly offending ASSumption to make. Teachers work just as hard as everyone else. My aunt is a teacher in California, and was forced to take 15 furlough days throughout the school year so that way schools wouldn't lose their teachers, and students could still come to school. Because one school district is trying to negotiate a contract does not mean every teacher is out for blood.

I'm so glad I'm not in a Union. My district hired 99 teachers this year, which tells me there is a great demand for educators in my state, at this moment.

I never said they don't work hard. I said the teachers I have an experience with act like they are God's gift to the county. I know it's not easy to be a teacher. But you signed up for it, just like there are many other jobs that aren't easy. Yet those people don't have unions and don't get the pay (and in some cases, benefits) that teachers do.

So next time you try to call someone an ass for having an opinion on something, make sure you read the whole post and aren't making an ass of yourself.

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