Chick-Fil-A: Did anyone participate in the Stand-In today?

mben1119 · August 2012

littlewinnie15:
smilelari:

I kind of said this above but:

-First, I support gay marriage

-I think it's perfectly ok for CFA's president to be opposed to gay marriage. However, he's not just opposed to it and he's not just stating his opinion, he's contributing money and actively trying to refuse the right to legal marriage for gays. That's not ok. Personally, I don't think that in terms of legal rights it matters how anybody feels about whether it's right or wrong. How about a little separation of church and state? Whether gay marriage is right or wrong isn't for the government to decide.

-If you eat at CFA some of the $$$ you spend there is going to groups that are actively seeking to deny rights to your fellow citizens. If you're ok with that you should be ashamed

Yes Yes Right there with ya, girls. I am not ashamed to say that I will never eat at CFA again. You can own a business, have faith, and not pour money into hate groups.

PMFuentes10 · August 2012

littlewinnie15:
smilelari:

I kind of said this above but:

-First, I support gay marriage

-I think it's perfectly ok for CFA's president to be opposed to gay marriage. However, he's not just opposed to it and he's not just stating his opinion, he's contributing money and actively trying to refuse the right to legal marriage for gays. That's not ok. Personally, I don't think that in terms of legal rights it matters how anybody feels about whether it's right or wrong. How about a little separation of church and state? Whether gay marriage is right or wrong isn't for the government to decide.

-If you eat at CFA some of the $$$ you spend there is going to groups that are actively seeking to deny rights to your fellow citizens. If you're ok with that you should be ashamed

Yes Yes

You're so smart! And I also wanted to add that I get that people like CFA's chicken, that's fine you can keep eating their food if you love it that much, but by eating there yesterday it didn't signify that you just were going to keep eating there because you liked their food, it signified that you were eating there for a cause, and maybe that cause was for "free speech" but it came off looking more like a hate act.

I agree with PP, I am boycotting CFA because I do not want to give my money towards a company who will use it for a cause I strongly disagree with. And I was also very confused with everyone on FBs posts yesterday showing their love for CFA, I'm not sure what point they were trying to prove but it made me think of them differently.

gracefulruby33 · August 2012

The Chick Fellatio (hehe):https://www.owldolatrous.com/?p=288

"This isn?t about mutual tolerance because there?s nothing mutual about it. If we agree to disagree on this issue, you walk away a full member of this society and I don?t."

Tastetherainbowunicorn · August 2012

Maybe instead of eating CFA you should be cooking dinner for you families. Setting a good example for you children all around.

Damn bullies! I hope none of your kids are gay. How sad knowing their parents were working against them.

ddgrgirl23 · August 2012

JMC11511:
For me, at least, regardless of my stance on gay marriage, the CFA thing was more about protecting the 1st Amendment right to freedom of speech. No matter how you look at it, a city threatening to force a private restaurant to cease operation in that city is unconstitutional. I realize that may not have been the viewpoint of all of the people who participated in the Stand-In today. But for me, this had nothing to do with gay marriage/anti-gay marriage.
I also think calling people names for standing up for their values makes you no better than the people you claim are hateful.
ETA because it's late and my grammar sucked.

You might find this informative:

https://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/opinion/randazza-first-amendment/index.html

Nwlywed07 · August 2012

Chan4dra04:
I figured as much. I had talked it out so much I came full circle in to wondering if some were just there to support the Prez's rights, or if it was more about the support of traditional marriage. I could NOT believe how many people there were. I was shocked. I figured that in today's society, more people would be supportive of marriage equality.

I don't think it was about marriage equality. It's about the fact that people are allowed to have/express their own opinions (First amendment rights). Even president of a company. In the interview where this all came from...the interviewer asked his opinion on the subject. What was he thinking the answer was going to be? It's a Christian based company. But then everyone gets their undies in a twist because the president actually answered the question with an honest opinion. You don't have to agree with someone but you should at least respect the person for answering honestly. It's called integrity.

littlewinnie15 · August 2012

Nwlywed07:
Chan4dra04:
I figured as much. I had talked it out so much I came full circle in to wondering if some were just there to support the Prez's rights, or if it was more about the support of traditional marriage. I could NOT believe how many people there were. I was shocked. I figured that in today's society, more people would be supportive of marriage equality.
I don't think it was about marriage equality. It's about the fact that people are allowed to have/express their own opinions (First amendment rights). Even president of a company. In the interview where this all came from...the interviewer asked his opinion on the subject. What was he thinking the answer was going to be? It's a Christian based company. But then everyone gets their undies in a twist because the president actually answered the question with an honest opinion. You don't have to agree with someone but you should at least respect the person for answering honestly. It's called integrity.

No, no, see - it's called bigotry. Honest and pure bigotry. Did you appreciate Hitler's "integrity" too? How about the "integrity" of the KKK???

mben1119 · August 2012

Nwlywed07:

Chan4dra04:
I figured as much. I had talked it out so much I came full circle in to wondering if some were just there to support the Prez's rights, or if it was more about the support of traditional marriage. I could NOT believe how many people there were. I was shocked. I figured that in today's society, more people would be supportive of marriage equality.

I don't think it was about marriage equality. It's about the fact that people are allowed to have/express their own opinions (First amendment rights). Even president of a company. In the interview where this all came from...the interviewer asked his opinion on the subject. What was he thinking the answer was going to be? It's a Christian based company. But then everyone gets their undies in a twist because the president actually answered the question with an honest opinion. You don't have to agree with someone but you should at least respect the person for answering honestly. It's called integrity.

There are tons of businesses and corporations who are "Christian-based." They don't all donate money to groups who discriminate a particular group of people. The owner of CFA can hate whomever he wants-I don't have to support his hatred of people based on their sexual orientation.

Nwlywed07 · August 2012

littlewinnie15:
Nwlywed07:
Chan4dra04:
I figured as much. I had talked it out so much I came full circle in to wondering if some were just there to support the Prez's rights, or if it was more about the support of traditional marriage. I could NOT believe how many people there were. I was shocked. I figured that in today's society, more people would be supportive of marriage equality.
I don't think it was about marriage equality. It's about the fact that people are allowed to have/express their own opinions (First amendment rights). Even president of a company. In the interview where this all came from...the interviewer asked his opinion on the subject. What was he thinking the answer was going to be? It's a Christian based company. But then everyone gets their undies in a twist because the president actually answered the question with an honest opinion. You don't have to agree with someone but you should at least respect the person for answering honestly. It's called integrity.
No, no, see - it's called bigotry. Honest and pure bigotry. Did you appreciate Hitler's "integrity" too? How about the "integrity" of the KKK???

I wasn't saying anything about my views on his "opinion." I was merely stating that most people would have not actually expressed their honest views in fear of others would think.

Also, I didn't realize mass genocide (see definition below) was the equivalent of being opposed to gay marriage and supporting anti-gay marriage agendas. I wasn't aware that CFA was attempting to murder the entire population of gay people. My bad Confused

*Genocide:noun- The deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

KBBH · August 2012

bjfilly:
gracefulruby33:
littlewinnie15:
alysson.lawless:

I went with my co-workers yesterday. Didn't have enough time today. I just want to bring up the fact that Oreo came out with that ad of the rainbow Oreo. I don't remember many people getting all up in arms about it. But when a PRIVATE restaurant takes a stance, "OMG its the worst place everrrrrrr, don't eat there because they hate gays!!!!!"

Um. I'm pretty sure that is insanely hypocritical.

Ummm could that be because one is spewing hatred and the other is showing support and love?

Anyone that went to Chick Fil A today should be flucking ashamed of themselves. I think it is despicable - your intolerance and ignorance baffles me, and frankly, makes me sick.

XOXO.

You said what I didn't have the guts to say. Thank you.

Same here.

I you all. I prefer my chicken and waffle fries without a side of hate.

mben1119 · August 2012

Nwlywed07:
littlewinnie15:
Nwlywed07:

Chan4dra04:
I figured as much. I had talked it out so much I came full circle in to wondering if some were just there to support the Prez's rights, or if it was more about the support of traditional marriage. I could NOT believe how many people there were. I was shocked. I figured that in today's society, more people would be supportive of marriage equality.

I don't think it was about marriage equality. It's about the fact that people are allowed to have/express their own opinions (First amendment rights). Even president of a company. In the interview where this all came from...the interviewer asked his opinion on the subject. What was he thinking the answer was going to be? It's a Christian based company. But then everyone gets their undies in a twist because the president actually answered the question with an honest opinion. You don't have to agree with someone but you should at least respect the person for answering honestly. It's called integrity.

No, no, see - it's called bigotry. Honest and pure bigotry. Did you appreciate Hitler's "integrity" too? How about the "integrity" of the KKK???

I wasn't saying anything about my views on his "opinion." I was merely stating that most people would have not actually expressed their honest views in fear of others would think.

Also, I didn't realize mass genocide (see definition below) was the equivalent of being opposed to gay marriage and supporting anti-gay marriage agendas. I wasn't aware that CFA was attempting to murder the entire population of gay people. My bad

*Genocide:noun- The deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

No, but they want to ensure that a group of people who is different than the majority is oppressed. Denying homosexual couples the right to marry and to have the same insurance benefit, life insurance, and life decision options as a heterosexual couple is oppression.

littlewinnie15 · August 2012

Nwlywed07:
littlewinnie15:
Nwlywed07:
Chan4dra04:
I figured as much. I had talked it out so much I came full circle in to wondering if some were just there to support the Prez's rights, or if it was more about the support of traditional marriage. I could NOT believe how many people there were. I was shocked. I figured that in today's society, more people would be supportive of marriage equality.
I don't think it was about marriage equality. It's about the fact that people are allowed to have/express their own opinions (First amendment rights). Even president of a company. In the interview where this all came from...the interviewer asked his opinion on the subject. What was he thinking the answer was going to be? It's a Christian based company. But then everyone gets their undies in a twist because the president actually answered the question with an honest opinion. You don't have to agree with someone but you should at least respect the person for answering honestly. It's called integrity.
No, no, see - it's called bigotry. Honest and pure bigotry. Did you appreciate Hitler's "integrity" too? How about the "integrity" of the KKK???
I wasn't saying anything about my views on his "opinion." I was merely stating that most people would have not actually expressed their honest views in fear of others would think.
Also, I didn't realize mass genocide (see definition below) was the equivalent of being opposed to gay marriage and supporting anti-gay marriage agendas. I wasn't aware that CFA was attempting to murder the entire population of gay people. My bad
*Genocide:noun- The deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Did I say that CFA was committing genocide? No, but thanks for the quote from Webster's.

I was comparing the mindsets. Hitler and the KKK believe(d) that certain groups of people were lesser because of their inherent traits. That is exactly what the president of CFA expressed in his opinion - that gays are lesser, and therefore do not deserve the same rights as straights. Samesies.

A proper honest answer to the reporter would have bee: "Well, Mr. Reporter, thanks for asking my personal opinion. However, I don't think my opinions or the opinion of CFA executives on gay marriage has anything whatsoever to do with the production and consumption of chicken. While I have my own personal convictions, I do not believe that I should use my wealth, power and position as a fast food chain owner, to create a platform based on religious beliefs. Now let's talk chicken!"

Nwlywed07 · August 2012

mabenner1:
Nwlywed07:
littlewinnie15:
Nwlywed07:

Chan4dra04:
I figured as much. I had talked it out so much I came full circle in to wondering if some were just there to support the Prez's rights, or if it was more about the support of traditional marriage. I could NOT believe how many people there were. I was shocked. I figured that in today's society, more people would be supportive of marriage equality.

I don't think it was about marriage equality. It's about the fact that people are allowed to have/express their own opinions (First amendment rights). Even president of a company. In the interview where this all came from...the interviewer asked his opinion on the subject. What was he thinking the answer was going to be? It's a Christian based company. But then everyone gets their undies in a twist because the president actually answered the question with an honest opinion. You don't have to agree with someone but you should at least respect the person for answering honestly. It's called integrity.

No, no, see - it's called bigotry. Honest and pure bigotry. Did you appreciate Hitler's "integrity" too? How about the "integrity" of the KKK???

I wasn't saying anything about my views on his "opinion." I was merely stating that most people would have not actually expressed their honest views in fear of others would think.

Also, I didn't realize mass genocide (see definition below) was the equivalent of being opposed to gay marriage and supporting anti-gay marriage agendas. I wasn't aware that CFA was attempting to murder the entire population of gay people. My bad

*Genocide:noun- The deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

No, but they want to ensure that a group of people who is different than the majority is oppressed. Denying homosexual couples the right to marry and to have the same insurance benefit, life insurance, and life decision options as a heterosexual couple is oppression.

I will agree with you on that point. I never stated that it wasn't. I simply said that I think that standing up for whatever you believe despite the opinion of others is an action of integrity. (Not that I must be in favor of killing a specific group of people as the PP stated) I will applaud any person who in the public eye chooses to take a stand for what they believe (despite whether or not I agree or disagree). Most people today refuse to do so for fear of what others may think or to gain political points. That was all I was trying to say.

Tastetherainbowunicorn · August 2012

KBBH:
bjfilly:
gracefulruby33:
littlewinnie15:
alysson.lawless:

I went with my co-workers yesterday. Didn't have enough time today. I just want to bring up the fact that Oreo came out with that ad of the rainbow Oreo. I don't remember many people getting all up in arms about it. But when a PRIVATE restaurant takes a stance, "OMG its the worst place everrrrrrr, don't eat there because they hate gays!!!!!"

Um. I'm pretty sure that is insanely hypocritical.

Ummm could that be because one is spewing hatred and the other is showing support and love?

Anyone that went to Chick Fil A today should be flucking ashamed of themselves. I think it is despicable - your intolerance and ignorance baffles me, and frankly, makes me sick.

XOXO.

You said what I didn't have the guts to say. Thank you.

Same here.

I you all. I prefer my chicken and waffle fries without a side of hate.

Yes

No angry birds for me.

authorofdreamz · August 2012

Estwd2:
A few people have brought up the argument about not wanting their money to go towards issues they don't support. I totally get that and I support your choice and your right to do so. I myself am very pro-gay marriage and I do not support the views of CFA. But this whole thing actually reminds of the Whole Foods boycott several years ago. Whole Foods customers were totally shocked to discover that the CEO was giving money to right wing agendas. I remembered reading about this topic of boycotting stores and found this article that explains just how difficult it would be to really and truly boycott stores because of their political contributions:
" [...] if you don?t want to buy products that are sold by businesses whose owners and managers are conservatives, you would basically have to stop buying everything. Corporate managers are more right-wing than the country as a whole, owners of stock are more right-wing than the country as a whole, and owners of small businesses are much more right-wing than the country as a whole. Democrats are backed by the exciting categories of unskilled workers, professionals, routine white collar workers, and people with part time jobs." https://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2009/08/16/194042/on-boycotting-whole-foods/?mobile=nc
Just something to think about. Again, I support your choice and your right to boycott whatever store you want. But keep in mind that your money actually goes to more causes, both left and right, than you really know. So just to add to the discussion, do you think it's your duty as a customer to know where your money goes and act according to your beliefs? Short of starting your own self-sustaining farm, do you think it's possible to only shop at those stores that either don't make any kind of political contribution or only contribute to the causes you believe in?

I don't view taking away basic human rights as "political" I don't care if a company is donating to right-wing/left-wing political groups but donating to a hate group is unacceptable.

JMC11511 · August 2012

ddgrgirl23:
JMC11511:
For me, at least, regardless of my stance on gay marriage, the CFA thing was more about protecting the 1st Amendment right to freedom of speech. No matter how you look at it, a city threatening to force a private restaurant to cease operation in that city is unconstitutional. I realize that may not have been the viewpoint of all of the people who participated in the Stand-In today. But for me, this had nothing to do with gay marriage/anti-gay marriage.
I also think calling people names for standing up for their values makes you no better than the people you claim are hateful.
ETA because it's late and my grammar sucked.
You might find this informative:
https://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/opinion/randazza-first-amendment/index.html

I read the article you linked. Unless I'm missing something (and it's entirely possible that I am), it basically states that those in support of CFA because of the First Amendment are wrong. In addition, those that are trying to block CFA from operating in their cities are also wrong. Which was part of the point I was making. That article kind of also points out that the people who are all up in arms about CFA's original opinion are also wrong. Sure, Cathy was free to say what he said. And of course, people are free to disagree with him. And yes, people are free to continue to support CFA. And yes, people are still free to be mad at CFA. But city officials are NOT free to block a company from operations, barring true and REASONABLE zoning concerns.

KBBH · August 2012

mama&baby:
Jsthomas618:
Just have to ask...would the supporters of CFA's president's right to free speech still feel the same if the group he was supporting was pro-White race, pro/anti-Muslim, Pro/anti-any other controversial group?

x 50!! Nope because that would mean that they back bigots, but apparently being anti-gay is just fine :-)

I know I give you a hard time a lot and we like to taunt and disagree, but at least we see eye to eye on one thing. Party!!!

Natty13umppo · August 2012

I would love to "show my support" for CFA's first amendment rights (yay first ammendment!). But the thought of MY money going towards Focus on the Family (or other similar groups) kind of makes me lose my appetite...in fact, it makes me a little sick.

Anybody who claims to be supporting CFA's "freedom of speech" is BS - you are supporting their support of these organizations. AND THAT IS FINE....but own up to it. Or at least acknowledge that you are. Please! The scariest thing of all this is the people who are like "I just like the chicken, I don't care." What??!! WHAT??!!?? SERIOUSLY?!?!

Think of it this way.....every time you go thru the drive thru, before you leave, there is another drop box where you have to drop in a dollar DIRECTLY to these groups. Think of it that way.

You buy a product -> company makes a profit off of said product -> parts of profits go to these groups -> hate is spread. (Translation: your money is funding these groups agendas.)

It is VERY TRUE that all sorts of companies give to all sorts of groups....but Chick-Fil-A has made it VERY WELL KNOWN now where there money is going. You could maybe suspect it before, but now you KNOW. And if you're okay with that, keep on eatin' that chicken sandwich.

Here's my real dilemma: I often get coupons for FREE chick-fil-a sandwiches. If I claim my free sandwich, am I sort of taking money away from these groups if I'm eating into CFA profits?? Huh?

knottie198f1ac43570b6c2 · August 2012

Late to the party, but whatever.

1.) Love is love and I am all for it wherever it can be found, man and man, woman and woman or any kind of combination. I wholeheartedly support gay marriage and think that anyone who doesn't is foolish. Feel free to think I am a dirty hippie in return.

2.) Mr. President of Chick fil a is welcome to his opinion. I am welcome to be disgusted by it and never spend a dime at his restaurants again.

blairy926 · August 2012

No more Chick-Fil-A for me. I now know where the money is going and spending my money there is allowing my money to go towards intolerance. Nope. I don't get why people feel so insecure that they need to judge other people anyway.

LarrysBride0202 · August 2012

Here's the thing....why does it matter what "Chick-Fil-A" thinks? I support love for everyone. If you find love and want to celebrate love then I will celebrate you. I don't care if you're gay or straight, and I say this as a practicing Catholic.

I'm pretty sure that many of those people demonstrating against gay marriage in support of Chick-Fil-A have never been to a soup kitchen, a homeless shelter or anything else...which is, by the way, "what Jesus would do".

"Careful not to make a show of your religion"

-Matthew 6:1

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