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April 2012 Moms
I think you guys were a little rough
For talking about not hating, you were so hateful in your responses. It actually has really upset me. Regardless of if you agree with what was said, people deserve a constructive response.
The way people ganged up on her is more like bullying than 'educating' (as someone put in a different thread). The goal of copying and pasting the thread is no more than to humiliate the poster. That is bullying.
In my eyes, you dropped to the level of the hate you were condemning. That is so disappointing.
Flame on if you want. I just thought we were better than that.
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Re: I think you guys were a little rough
I missed the post, but I agree with your statement in general.
People didn't "gang up." There were a number of people who, individually, were offended by PooDanga and Scline's comments. I also didn't think the responses were that bad, considering.
eta: also not really a pot calling kettle black situation, as you want to make it. Calling someone ignorant for being ignorant isn't the same as promoting discrimination.
1st I'd like to point out that it wasn't an April mom who posted the deleted post.
I also respectfully disagree with you. There are some topics that are hot button issues. This topic has been talked about on this board before so you know that there are a lot of people who have very strong opinions about the topic and they are opposite of what you believe. If you don't want to get "flamed" don't post. If you do post put on your BGP and don't DD because you don't like the responses!
I find that alot of things on here that are meant as comparing opinions get blown up into full on fights that get very heated. I get people are passionate, I get its a message board and people shouldnt get butthurt... but sometimes the responses are far more hurtful or flameful than the OP. I find it intertesting that other boards know this board based on c&p's. This has nothing to do with anything.. but I lurked the 1st tri board today. It made me upset that people who arent pregnant or have 1,2,10 kids post rudely on the typical first tri posts. Some of these girls have never been thru this. They have the same beginner posts we all did. Why flame them?
DS - 7.2006 - C-Section b/c Breech
DS2 - 4.2008 - Successful Vbac
DD - 5.2012 - Successful Vbac
This. There's no point in being hateful (I didn't get to read the post, so I don't know what all went down) but she knew where it was most likely going, and to DD was lame.
This.
And this is why I will stay away from controversial subjects for the most part. I lost my BGP, and would get all butthurt. I know this about myself. I take stuff personally.
But I did dream I met Obama the other night. He had on lipstick, so he would look better on camera. Haha, it made him look creepy in person, like his skin was pale and his lips were too bright. Not that I think my dream was controversial or anything :-).
Ok....Really? Because a part of that thread (I only got through page 2) was people calling OP out for not understanding how institutional racism has shaped a particular community. If you are going to "teach" her about that, shouldn't you also recognize that she may have been raised in a community that prized normalcy, "traditional values", and the "literalism" of the Bible which doesn't allow her to easily comprehend the gay rights movement. Change is hard and normally requires exposure to thoughtful discussions and multicultural situations.
I don't think the comments were awful, but I think there is an assumption that WASPs don't have to overcome any ingrained education to become tolerant and inclusive.
I'm going to come out of lurking today and say that I agree that the original post got a little rough. PooDanga said some foolish things, but people are entitled to their opinions and she chose to post her thoughts in a public forum knowing that there would be consequences of that action.
Today has been CRAZY on here ladies!!
I've noticed that on the first tri board, as well. It happened when we were there too. It's a weird phenomenon....DUH that first time moms ( and some second timers!) are going to have the normal first tri questions.It makes me sad and feel bad too...especially when i remember back to the excitement and millions of questions I had. It's ridiculous to me that they get flamed...unless the question is obviously ridic.
I just want to point out that it isn't just some white people and some WASPs that have issue with gay marriage, tolerance and inclusiveness. Many minority communities are not on board with gay marriage....
Well said.
The original post was rough in the first place. As I mentioned above the hate had me in tears. I also think that some people need to be called out on there ignorance. PooDanga and Scline's have no idea how hurtful the things they said are. I hope they know now.
True, and some of the reasons are similar and some different. For some minority groups, I think there is a fear that including the gay population would make them even more prone to bigotry. There is also a strong religious objection amongst the African-American and devout Catholic Latino populations. It isn't just a white-people problem. But, I think it is often painted as one. And that it is worse to be a white homophobe than an African-American homophobe. Truth is, all homophobia is sad and wrong. But public shaming without understanding isn't going to change their opinions.
Oh FFS.
lolol
So.....why are you here now?
Since my gif was removed from the post that was DD'd...
Does this look like it tickles to you? LMK
That was kind of my point... But I have a sneaking suspicion that she likes the drama.
I was just about to ask the same thing.
Go back to lurking like you did before.
Not sure about Cruel, but I'm here because I heard they were giving out free chocolate.
ETA: fixed the reference to the correct poster DOH!
LOL, it so fits
I agree with you. I was just stating that people would be a lot more tolerant and educated if they didn't get jumped on for their ignorance. Obviously, someone is more likely to listen if they are being talked to rather than yelled at (called a bigot, racist, etc). Sure, those names could be true, I'm not saying they are, but talking and debating calmly teaches more tolerance than anything.
Sorry to continue beating a dead horse, but I want to make something very clear.
Education and upraising are not excuses to act like a bigot. To encourage people to stop acting like bigots, however, you can not just say "you are wrong." I am in higher education and strongly believe in the liberal arts. I emphasize understanding other people's worldviews. If you want to argue that X is wrong, your argument has to be based in fact and worldview.
I think mikehoncho's post is brilliant. Most white people don't see the privilege they live in. They put their experiences and worldviews on to minorities and expect the outcomes to be the same. Without experience with minorities or extensive liberal arts education, this is a very hard mindset to change. This is why colleges tout their diversity and why liberal arts colleges often require some sort of multicultural experience.
People don't stop being racist/bigots/violently anti-religion/violently pro-religion because someone on the internet says "you are wrong." They stop when they learn to evaluate people and experiences in a different way. That involves rational discussion, abstract thinking, and varied life experience. It also involves people acknowledging that change is hard, life is cruel, and that someone's life experience isn't wrong (it just isn't complete.)
Wait, personal pictures were posted over here? I thought they were on the Parenting board, which is why I no longer play over there. I didn't know it was over here too..
Oh... Man.
::throws hands up in the air and walks away::
The "couple" of us are a part of this board regularly...unlike yourself.
We are fun, i know.
I guess I just don't see the point of going to a different board where you never post and just adding to the stupidity. Everyone that comes over from different boards just acts ridiculous and clogs up posts with crappy pictures. I just think it's weird to jump in when it's not your place.
This is rough????? Oh please.
No where close to what Poo got.
We're all stupid and you're super smart and super cool. I'm totally jealous. I'll cry into my big pillow tonight and say a prayer that I might be more like you in the future.