November 2011 Moms

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  • I'm going to go with this one for the moment to get the post started and then will probably have something else to bit*h about later on in the day

    Based off a post I read earlier, it really freaking annoys me when people bit*h about their doctors. People complain about OB's actually having to tend to someone in labor instead of them! God forbid! If you really hate your OB or whatever other doc that much that you have to write an entire rant about them on a website, hire someone else! That's what you do when you go to a doctor- you are HIRING them for a service! If they aren't able to perform that service then you "fire" them! Simple, right?

    Also... if you don't trust your OB of all people... so much that you have to post every time they tell you something you don't agree with... do you REALLY want someone you don't trust delivering your baby?

    No common freaking sense I tell you!

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  • Not sure why ChickFilA thought it was a good idea to make waves with the gay marriage thing. Were they trying to get people all stirred up/ maybe lacking in sales and needed publicity? I love chickFilA and will continue to eat there but I disagree with there stance on same sex marriage.  it's just food people!

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  • imagegina2433:

    Not sure why ChickFilA thought it was a good idea to make waves with the gay marriage thing. Were they trying to get people all stirred up/ maybe lacking in sales and needed publicity? I love chickFilA and will continue to eat there but I disagree with there stance on same sex marriage.  it's just food people!

    It isn't just food. The President of the company donates to anti-gay marriage organizations. I won't give my money to a company whose profits eventually get to the President, who then gives money to a terrible cause. I am a vegetarian, so I didn't miss it anyway, but still.  

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  • I am so sick of all of the victim-blaming comments I see on other boards and news sites regarding the Aurora shooting.

    Stuff like, "They shouldn't have brought their baby to a midnight movie" or "Who brings a 6 yr old to a movie like that?? Maybe if they were better parents, the child/children wouldn't have gotten hurt, etc."

    Makes my blood boil. It was not their fault that a mentally disturbed individual decided to shoot up a movie theatre.

    /rant. 


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  • imagegracefulruby33:
    imagegina2433:

    Not sure why ChickFilA thought it was a good idea to make waves with the gay marriage thing. Were they trying to get people all stirred up/ maybe lacking in sales and needed publicity? I love chickFilA and will continue to eat there but I disagree with there stance on same sex marriage.  it's just food people!

    It isn't just food. The President of the company donates to anti-gay marriage organizations. I won't give my money to a company whose profits eventually get to the President, who then gives money to a terrible cause. I am a vegetarian, so I didn't miss it anyway, but still.  

    I see what you're saying but if we only knew what other company's presidents did with their money we prob would never eat/ drink/ shop anywhere. He just decided to be vocal about it.  

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    imagegracefulruby33:
    imagegina2433:

    Not sure why ChickFilA thought it was a good idea to make waves with the gay marriage thing. Were they trying to get people all stirred up/ maybe lacking in sales and needed publicity? I love chickFilA and will continue to eat there but I disagree with there stance on same sex marriage.  it's just food people!

    It isn't just food. The President of the company donates to anti-gay marriage organizations. I won't give my money to a company whose profits eventually get to the President, who then gives money to a terrible cause. I am a vegetarian, so I didn't miss it anyway, but still.  

    I see what you're saying but if we only knew what other company's presidents did with their money we prob would never eat/ drink/ shop anywhere. He just decided to be vocal about it.  

    ...And if it did come out that hate was being funded by other companies, I wouldn't buy their products either. I can't just sit around and say "oh well" and shrug my shoulders, and continue to be a part of the problem.

    Here is a good editorial on this issue: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-peron/shut-down-chickfila-prope_b_1703781.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

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  • Lets see how many heads I can get rolling..

    I admire chick filas president for standing up for what he believes. It's his personal opinion and it's his business, I understand his belief is very unpopular to some, but he isn't donating to gay hate groups.. He is donating to groups that he believes protect the unity of marriage (it's his Christian belief and it's a Christian company so I honestly don't know why people were so surprised).

    There was a great article the other day, I think it's called "in defense of chick fil a". I'm on my phone so no link but you can google it.

    I am NOT trying to start a gay marriage debate, at all. I just think anyone who has such strong beliefs (either way) should be able to stand up for them without getting attacked.  

     

  • imagelkm2006:

    Lets see how many heads I can get rolling..

    I admire chick filas president for standing up for what he believes. It's his personal opinion and it's his business, I understand his belief is very unpopular to some, but he isn't donating to gay hate groups.. He is donating to groups that he believes protect the unity of marriage (it's his Christian belief and it's a Christian company so I honestly don't know why people were so surprised).

    There was a great article the other day, I think it's called "in defense of chick fil a". I'm on my phone so no link but you can google it.

    I am NOT trying to start a gay marriage debate, at all. I just think anyone who has such strong beliefs (either way) should be able to stand up for them without getting attacked.  

    https://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/chick-fil-gay-marriage-201108120--finance.html

    According to Queerty.com, the WinShape Foundation?Chick-fil-A's charitable arm?donated more than $1.1 million between 2003 and 2008 to anti-LGBT groups, doubling that amount to $2 million in 2009.

    Look up anything on Focus on the Family, and it's obvious that not only are they "pro-Christian" and a group that protects the "unity of marriage" but they are anti- LGBT rights.

    These people are going to be on the wrong side of history.

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  • I agree with lkm2006. They have the right to stand for what they believe just like pro gay marriage has the right to stand up for what they believe. If you don't want to eat there, fine. Food is food. I don't go to restraunts because I agree with their religious / political views.
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  • As much as I hate what Chik fil a is doing with their profits.  I also totally agree that in the end it is their money to do what tey please, and if they want to support a Christian group, that is against gay marriage, that is their right.  Just like it's everyone elses right not to eat there, and provide more profits for them to donate. 

    My UO: I think smoking cigarettes in your home, with children present should be considered neglect.  The child has no choice in the matter and it has been proven that even small amounts of second hand smoke is dangerous. 

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    I know in the US you are innocent until proven guilty, but when it deals with any sexual abuse against a child, I believe you are guilty until proven innocent

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  • imagegracefulruby33:
    imagelkm2006:

    Lets see how many heads I can get rolling..

    I admire chick filas president for standing up for what he believes. It's his personal opinion and it's his business, I understand his belief is very unpopular to some, but he isn't donating to gay hate groups.. He is donating to groups that he believes protect the unity of marriage (it's his Christian belief and it's a Christian company so I honestly don't know why people were so surprised).

    There was a great article the other day, I think it's called "in defense of chick fil a". I'm on my phone so no link but you can google it.

    I am NOT trying to start a gay marriage debate, at all. I just think anyone who has such strong beliefs (either way) should be able to stand up for them without getting attacked.  

    https://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/chick-fil-gay-marriage-201108120--finance.html

    According to Queerty.com, the WinShape Foundation?Chick-fil-A's charitable arm?donated more than $1.1 million between 2003 and 2008 to anti-LGBT groups, doubling that amount to $2 million in 2009.

    Look up anything on Focus on the Family, and it's obvious that not only are they "pro-Christian" and a group that protects the "unity of marriage" but they are anti- LGBT rights.

    These people are going to be on the wrong side of history.

    I'm with you. I completely support the boycott on Chick-Fil-A, I think Boston and Chicago's mayors are completely in the right, and I hope CFA's profits suffer due to their support of hatemongering.

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  • I'm kind of opposed to my money going to our country's growing health problems, so I refuse to eat at McDonald's and Burger King :P

    Now, as for victims being blamed with the shooting.  Did you see the story about the guy that dropped his 4 month old on the ground, left his 2 kids and fiancee behind and ran?  Now that guy deserves some blame.  Not for taking his kids to the movie, but for being a jackass when his family needed him. 

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  • imagee_cruiz:
    I know in the US you are innocent until proven guilty, but when it deals with any sexual abuse against a child, I believe you are guilty until proven innocent

    I totally agree!  Like the movie theater shooter.  He's still called the "suspect", that he "allegedly" shot those people.  Everyone SAW him do it, the police apprehended him seconds after he came out of the theater, still wearing his gear and with the guns.  He did it, stop treating him with respect by saying he's innocent until proven guilty. 

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  • imageLiz1485:
    I agree with lkm2006. They have the right to stand for what they believe just like pro gay marriage has the right to stand up for what they believe. If you don't want to eat there, fine. Food is food. I don't go to restraunts because I agree with their religious / political views.

    If I could, I'd highlight your last sentence. But I can't so I'll just say I agree. :) 

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    I am so sick of all of the victim-blaming comments I see on other boards and news sites regarding the Aurora shooting.

    Stuff like, "They shouldn't have brought their baby to a midnight movie" or "Who brings a 6 yr old to a movie like that?? Maybe if they were better parents, the child/children wouldn't have gotten hurt, etc."

    Makes my blood boil. It was not their fault that a mentally disturbed individual decided to shoot up a movie theatre.

    /rant. 

    While I believe everyone has the right to go to the movies without being shot (obviously), I don't think babies and 6 year olds should be at midnight showings of movies. I find it immature and irresponsible.

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  • I will judge you negatively if you support Michelle Bachman. She is a crazy, lie spewing fear monger who is extremely dangerous for our country. She really pushed me over the edge by claiming that the Muslim Brotherhood is infiltrating our government. She has absolutely no evidence, and even if she did, why publicize it? An intelligent person would take their claims to the FBI (or whoever). She obviously does not care about the security of our country. She (and the hand full of others that made this claim) should be banned from holding a position in our government ever again. 

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    I will judge you negatively if you support Michelle Bachman. She is a crazy, lie spewing fear monger who is extremely dangerous for our country. She really pushed me over the edge by claiming that the Muslim Brotherhood is infiltrating our government. She has absolutely no evidence, and even if she did, why publicize it? An intelligent person would take their claims to the FBI (or whoever). She obviously does not care about the security of our country. She (and the hand full of others that made this claim) should be banned from holding a position in our government ever again. 

    She is worse than Sarah Palin. She can keep spewing this b.s. though because it just makes Republicans look bad, and I am okay with that. Yep, I went there. 

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  • imagee_cruiz:
    I know in the US you are innocent until proven guilty, but when it deals with any sexual abuse against a child, I believe you are guilty until proven innocent

    When you really think about it that's not how it is. You are guilty until proven innocent.  

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  • imagebeedawn:
    I feel that people are too sensitive when it comes to their parenting decisions. Research your options, choose what's best for you, and be proud of it. Why feel bad when someone doesn't like that you FF, sleep train using CIO, SAH, practice BLW, etc etc etc ? Those are your decisions to make as your LO's parent. Make your bed and lay in it. 

    Yes Agree.

  • imagesmilelari:

    I'm kind of opposed to my money going to our country's growing health problems, so I refuse to eat at McDonald's and Burger King :P

    Now, as for victims being blamed with the shooting.  Did you see the story about the guy that dropped his 4 month old on the ground, left his 2 kids and fiancee behind and ran?  Now that guy deserves some blame.  Not for taking his kids to the movie, but for being a jackass when his family needed him. 

     Omg yeah, I couldn't believe that.  I'd have dumped him right there. I don't think this is a UO though, lol.
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  • imagemabenner1:

    While I believe everyone has the right to go to the movies without being shot (obviously), I don't think babies and 6 year olds should be at midnight showings of movies. I find it immature and irresponsible.

    This. I don't blame the parents per se but the fact remains that if you were being a responsible parent your child would be alive right now. I mean if it were a bar instead of a movie theater people would be outraged that children were in a bar because they have no place being there in the first place but they have no place being at a midnight showing of an adult movie either. 

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    imagee_cruiz:
    I know in the US you are innocent until proven guilty, but when it deals with any sexual abuse against a child, I believe you are guilty until proven innocent

    When you really think about it that's not how it is. You are guilty until proven innocent.  

    Maybe in the court of public opinion for some cases, but not court in general. I think the Casey Anthony case proves this. Of all cases where someone SHOULD have been found guilty, they weren't.

    Even though I hate all sex offenders, I don't agree with this statement in general. Unfortunately for victims, there are ALWAYS going to be people who make false accusations, whether they be the victims themselves or parents of children. That is why an investigation is necessary. Kids (and alarmingly parents) can say that they were assaulted by a teacher because they didn't get a grade they wanted, or someone can have a disagreement with an adult and say that the person assaulted their kid at a play date. The law is there not only to punish, but to protect those who are innocent.

    Now I do think those who were clearly caught in the act by MANY people/on camera/whatever are a different story (eg- the colorado shooter)

  • imageauthorofdreamz:
    imagemabenner1:

    While I believe everyone has the right to go to the movies without being shot (obviously), I don't think babies and 6 year olds should be at midnight showings of movies. I find it immature and irresponsible.

    This. I don't blame the parents per se but the fact remains that if you were being a responsible parent your child would be alive right now. I mean if it were a bar instead of a movie theater people would be outraged that children were in a bar because they have no place being there in the first place but they have no place being at a midnight showing of an adult movie either. 

    I guess in a way I can see your argument but I still dont' think it's necessary for people to post things like that online. Those parents who lost the 6 year old are likely ALREADY feeling like it's their fault for bringing her. If I was to bring my child somewhere completely child-friendly and something like this happened, odds are I would still blame myself for bringing LO to that location. I just think the last thing these parents need is to feel condemned by the public for "contributing to the murder" (as I have seen on other websites) of their child

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    While I believe everyone has the right to go to the movies without being shot (obviously), I don't think babies and 6 year olds should be at midnight showings of movies. I find it immature and irresponsible.

    This 100%.  No one deserved to be shot.  None of the victims are to blame.  However, I do not think a 4 year old or 6 year old should be at a PG-13 movie and I think the only place children that age need to be at midnight is in bed asleep.  I don't blame those parents or think they deserved this- but I do side-eye them for making such a decision.

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  • imageauthorofdreamz:
    imagemabenner1:

    While I believe everyone has the right to go to the movies without being shot (obviously), I don't think babies and 6 year olds should be at midnight showings of movies. I find it immature and irresponsible.

    This. I don't blame the parents per se but the fact remains that if you were being a responsible parent your child would be alive right now. I mean if it were a bar instead of a movie theater people would be outraged that children were in a bar because they have no place being there in the first place but they have no place being at a midnight showing of an adult movie either. 

    Obviously, no one expects a psycho to come into a theater and start shooting people.  And I don't think anyone is saying that it's the parents fault children were hurt and died, but like was said here it is irresponsible to have a child at a midnight showing of a violent adult movie.  That's all there is to it, it's not the parents fault but they shouldn't have had their children there. 

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  • imagelkm2006:

    Lets see how many heads I can get rolling..

    I admire chick filas president for standing up for what he believes. It's his personal opinion and it's his business, I understand his belief is very unpopular to some, but he isn't donating to gay hate groups.. He is donating to groups that he believes protect the unity of marriage (it's his Christian belief and it's a Christian company so I honestly don't know why people were so surprised).

    There was a great article the other day, I think it's called "in defense of chick fil a". I'm on my phone so no link but you can google it.

    I am NOT trying to start a gay marriage debate, at all. I just think anyone who has such strong beliefs (either way) should be able to stand up for them without getting attacked.  

    Giving money to an organization that "protects the unity of marriage" and saying it's not anti-gay is just like giving money to an organization that "protects the unborn fetus" and saying it's not anti-abortion.

    And if you want to say it's not "anti-gay"....fine.  But it is certainly anti-gay marriage which is one of the biggest reasons everyone is up in arms.

    Is it a fine line?  Yes.  But by protecting the way one envisions marriage to be it says "I don't value the way you would like to envision your relationship and rather, I'm so scared of it that, I need to fight like hell to protect the way I envision my relationship because who knows what would happen if everyone was allowed to be in a recognized union with whomever the eff they want!"

    BUT....I will say, kudos to him.  Yes, please do stand up for what you believe it.  Everyone.  I wish more businesses were open about it.  And leave the consumer to make decisions about supporting businesses that support things they do or do not agree with. 

    Anti-gay or not, I prefer to do my business with more secular businesses, anyway.  I prefer my chicken without a side of Jesus.

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  • I have another one inspired by Kristen Stewart cheating on Rob Pattison:

    I think even a kiss is considered cheating and grounds for break up/divorce. If my husband didn't respect me enough not to give in to temptation, I would find someone who does. I wouldn't want to waste my life wondering what he was doing when I wasn't with him. MH is very aware about my feelings on this subject, but of course, I wouldn't have married him if I thought he would ever cheat. 

    I also think people who break up and get back together should just break up. 

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  • imagegracefulruby33:
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    Not sure why ChickFilA thought it was a good idea to make waves with the gay marriage thing. Were they trying to get people all stirred up/ maybe lacking in sales and needed publicity? I love chickFilA and will continue to eat there but I disagree with there stance on same sex marriage.  it's just food people!

    It isn't just food. The President of the company donates to anti-gay marriage organizations. I won't give my money to a company whose profits eventually get to the President, who then gives money to a terrible cause. I am a vegetarian, so I didn't miss it anyway, but still.  

    I see what you're saying but if we only knew what other company's presidents did with their money we prob would never eat/ drink/ shop anywhere. He just decided to be vocal about it.  

    ...And if it did come out that hate was being funded by other companies, I wouldn't buy their products either. I can't just sit around and say "oh well" and shrug my shoulders, and continue to be a part of the problem.

    Here is a good editorial on this issue: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-peron/shut-down-chickfila-prope_b_1703781.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    Yes 

    I would also say, honestly, I'm not so much in the pro-gay marriage camp as I am in the anti-anti gay marriage camp, if that makes sense.

    But these groups - the anti gay marriage stuff is really just the tip of the iceberg for me - there is just so much hate for anything, ANYTHING! they view as un-Christian that it makes my stomach turn.

    And THAT is why I will not buy their tasty, tasty chicken sandwiches.

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  • imageNatty13umppo:
    imagelkm2006:

    Lets see how many heads I can get rolling..

    I admire chick filas president for standing up for what he believes. It's his personal opinion and it's his business, I understand his belief is very unpopular to some, but he isn't donating to gay hate groups.. He is donating to groups that he believes protect the unity of marriage (it's his Christian belief and it's a Christian company so I honestly don't know why people were so surprised).

    There was a great article the other day, I think it's called "in defense of chick fil a". I'm on my phone so no link but you can google it.

    I am NOT trying to start a gay marriage debate, at all. I just think anyone who has such strong beliefs (either way) should be able to stand up for them without getting attacked.  

    Giving money to an organization that "protects the unity of marriage" and saying it's not anti-gay is just like giving money to an organization that "protects the unborn fetus" and saying it's not anti-abortion.

    And if you want to say it's not "anti-gay"....fine.  But it is certainly anti-gay marriage which is one of the biggest reasons everyone is up in arms.

    Is it a fine line?  Yes.  But by protecting the way one envisions marriage to be it says "I don't value the way you would like to envision your relationship and rather, I'm so scared of it that, I need to fight like hell to protect the way I envision my relationship because who knows what would happen if everyone was allowed to be in a recognized union with whomever the eff they want!"

    BUT....I will say, kudos to him.  Yes, please do stand up for what you believe it.  Everyone.  I wish more businesses were open about it.  And leave the consumer to make decisions about supporting businesses that support things they do or do not agree with. 

    Anti-gay or not, I prefer to do my business with more secular businesses, anyway.  I prefer my chicken without a side of Jesus.

    YES!!! I also wish more businesses and business owners were more open as well.

    Your last comment was hilarious. Yes

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  • imageNatty13umppo:
    imagelkm2006:

    Lets see how many heads I can get rolling..

    I admire chick filas president for standing up for what he believes. It's his personal opinion and it's his business, I understand his belief is very unpopular to some, but he isn't donating to gay hate groups.. He is donating to groups that he believes protect the unity of marriage (it's his Christian belief and it's a Christian company so I honestly don't know why people were so surprised).

    There was a great article the other day, I think it's called "in defense of chick fil a". I'm on my phone so no link but you can google it.

    I am NOT trying to start a gay marriage debate, at all. I just think anyone who has such strong beliefs (either way) should be able to stand up for them without getting attacked.  

    Giving money to an organization that "protects the unity of marriage" and saying it's not anti-gay is just like giving money to an organization that "protects the unborn fetus" and saying it's not anti-abortion.

    And if you want to say it's not "anti-gay"....fine.  But it is certainly anti-gay marriage which is one of the biggest reasons everyone is up in arms.

    Is it a fine line?  Yes.  But by protecting the way one envisions marriage to be it says "I don't value the way you would like to envision your relationship and rather, I'm so scared of it that, I need to fight like hell to protect the way I envision my relationship because who knows what would happen if everyone was allowed to be in a recognized union with whomever the eff they want!"

    BUT....I will say, kudos to him.  Yes, please do stand up for what you believe it.  Everyone.  I wish more businesses were open about it.  And leave the consumer to make decisions about supporting businesses that support things they do or do not agree with. 

    Anti-gay or not, I prefer to do my business with more secular businesses, anyway.  I prefer my chicken without a side of Jesus.

     Ketchup for your Jesus anyone?
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  • My UO, which I posted earlier, is that I hate alcohol. I don't even agree with social drinking. I think alcohol is just a nuisance to society, and that it's a very depressing sort of mentally that one has to alter his mind in order to have fun or relax. I can't understand why alcohol has to be part of almost every adult function, and even if I agreed with the reasons for drinking it, it causes too many problems to be justified.
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  • imageNatty13umppo:
    imagelkm2006:

    Lets see how many heads I can get rolling..

    I admire chick filas president for standing up for what he believes. It's his personal opinion and it's his business, I understand his belief is very unpopular to some, but he isn't donating to gay hate groups.. He is donating to groups that he believes protect the unity of marriage (it's his Christian belief and it's a Christian company so I honestly don't know why people were so surprised).

    There was a great article the other day, I think it's called "in defense of chick fil a". I'm on my phone so no link but you can google it.

    I am NOT trying to start a gay marriage debate, at all. I just think anyone who has such strong beliefs (either way) should be able to stand up for them without getting attacked.  

    Giving money to an organization that "protects the unity of marriage" and saying it's not anti-gay is just like giving money to an organization that "protects the unborn fetus" and saying it's not anti-abortion.

    And if you want to say it's not "anti-gay"....fine.  But it is certainly anti-gay marriage which is one of the biggest reasons everyone is up in arms.

    Is it a fine line?  Yes.  But by protecting the way one envisions marriage to be it says "I don't value the way you would like to envision your relationship and rather, I'm so scared of it that, I need to fight like hell to protect the way I envision my relationship because who knows what would happen if everyone was allowed to be in a recognized union with whomever the eff they want!"

    BUT....I will say, kudos to him.  Yes, please do stand up for what you believe it.  Everyone.  I wish more businesses were open about it.  And leave the consumer to make decisions about supporting businesses that support things they do or do not agree with. 

    Anti-gay or not, I prefer to do my business with more secular businesses, anyway.  I prefer my chicken without a side of Jesus.

    As a Christian, conservative company they clearly follow the bible in regards to their resturant (closed on Sunday's) so it only makes sense they would follow the part thy a marriage is between a man and a woman. . I don't like saying anti gay just because it's not like they aren't hiring gay people or are rallying hate groups. Yes, they are giving money to protect te biblical definition of marriage, which does not support gay marriage so I understand how some people say its anti-gay. That just wasn't the word I wanted to use.  

    You are right though, more companies should stand up for the beliefs and they shouldn't be afraid to if they aren't popular. I find it much more embarrassing that the mayor of Boston is so personally offended by the presidents beliefs that he won't allow a new building. You would think this day and age we can realize we are a different with very different beliefs.  

     

  • I totally agree you can and should 'fire' you dr if you have a major problem with them.

    I don't support anyone who makes it a point to assist anti-gay agendas. I totally agree with standing up for your beliefs, but you should never force anything on anyone. 'These people are going to be on the wrong side of history.' This line gets my applause. 'I prefer my chicken without a side of Jesus' made me smile.

    I don't think that people should bring babies to a theater, let alone at night and even furthermore to an adult movie. But the only person to blame for shooting someone is the person who pulls the trigger.

    I'm all good with alcohol in moderation. Everything in moderation is a pretty good way to go.

    My very own personal UO is that I will boycott Aeropostale until I die. Toddlers thongs and preteens pushup bras have insured that I will never allow any of their items for the people in my house.

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    Lets see how many heads I can get rolling..

    I admire chick filas president for standing up for what he believes. It's his personal opinion and it's his business, I understand his belief is very unpopular to some, but he isn't donating to gay hate groups.. He is donating to groups that he believes protect the unity of marriage (it's his Christian belief and it's a Christian company so I honestly don't know why people were so surprised).

    There was a great article the other day, I think it's called "in defense of chick fil a". I'm on my phone so no link but you can google it.

    I am NOT trying to start a gay marriage debate, at all. I just think anyone who has such strong beliefs (either way) should be able to stand up for them without getting attacked.  

    Giving money to an organization that "protects the unity of marriage" and saying it's not anti-gay is just like giving money to an organization that "protects the unborn fetus" and saying it's not anti-abortion.

    And if you want to say it's not "anti-gay"....fine.  But it is certainly anti-gay marriage which is one of the biggest reasons everyone is up in arms.

    Is it a fine line?  Yes.  But by protecting the way one envisions marriage to be it says "I don't value the way you would like to envision your relationship and rather, I'm so scared of it that, I need to fight like hell to protect the way I envision my relationship because who knows what would happen if everyone was allowed to be in a recognized union with whomever the eff they want!"

    BUT....I will say, kudos to him.  Yes, please do stand up for what you believe it.  Everyone.  I wish more businesses were open about it.  And leave the consumer to make decisions about supporting businesses that support things they do or do not agree with. 

    Anti-gay or not, I prefer to do my business with more secular businesses, anyway.  I prefer my chicken without a side of Jesus.

    As a Christian, conservative company they clearly follow the bible in regards to their resturant (closed on Sunday's) so it only makes sense they would follow the part thy a marriage is between a man and a woman. . I don't like saying anti gay just because it's not like they aren't hiring gay people or are rallying hate groups. Yes, they are giving money to protect te biblical definition of marriage, which does not support gay marriage so I understand how some people say its anti-gay. That just wasn't the word I wanted to use.  

    You are right though, more companies should stand up for the beliefs and they shouldn't be afraid to if they aren't popular. I find it much more embarrassing that the mayor of Boston is so personally offended by the presidents beliefs that he won't allow a new building. You would think this day and age we can realize we are a different with very different beliefs.  

    You are exactly right.  Chick-fil-a has never shied away from its Christian roots....closed every Sunday....often playing Christian rock...  It should not be a surprise to anyone that they support groups that are - to not beat around the bush - anti-gay. 

    Chick-fil-a is out (ha! no pun intended!) and open on where they stand with this.  I truly believe it is a consumer issue.  Fact is, there are too many people who either agree with Chick-fil-a or are just apathetic and it won't make a difference. 

    The idea that cities want to boycott Chick-fil-a is ludicrous.  Why don't they kick out the churches that have the same ideals??  (I meant that sarcastically.)  

    This is just a bunch of hoopla to get both sides riled up. 


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    I totally agree you can and should 'fire' you dr if you have a major problem with them.

    I don't support anyone who makes it a point to assist anti-gay agendas. I totally agree with standing up for your beliefs, but you should never force anything on anyone. 'These people are going to be on the wrong side of history.' This line gets my applause. 'I prefer my chicken without a side of Jesus' made me smile.

    I don't think that people should bring babies to a theater, let alone at night and even furthermore to an adult movie. But the only person to blame for shooting someone is the person who pulls the trigger.

    I'm all good with alcohol in moderation. Everything in moderation is a pretty good way to go.

    My very own personal UO is that I will boycott Aeropostale until I die. Toddlers thongs and preteens pushup bras have insured that I will never allow any of their items for the people in my house.

    I thought that was Abercrombie? Aeropostale doesn't even have children's clothing- it's all preteen on up.

    ETA: I guess Aero does have another company P.S. that sells children's clothing online but I still think it was Abercrombie that had the push up bras and thongs for children.

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  • imageKaeldrasmommy:

    I totally agree you can and should 'fire' you dr if you have a major problem with them.

    I don't support anyone who makes it a point to assist anti-gay agendas. I totally agree with standing up for your beliefs, but you should never force anything on anyone. 'These people are going to be on the wrong side of history.' This line gets my applause. 'I prefer my chicken without a side of Jesus' made me smile.

    I don't think that people should bring babies to a theater, let alone at night and even furthermore to an adult movie. But the only person to blame for shooting someone is the person who pulls the trigger.

    I'm all good with alcohol in moderation. Everything in moderation is a pretty good way to go.

    My very own personal UO is that I will boycott Aeropostale until I die. Toddlers thongs and preteens pushup bras have insured that I will never allow any of their items for the people in my house.

    Amen sister! Why haven't people shut those clothing stores down? Geesh those stores are pushing it.  

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  • If it's the president of Chic-fil-a's right to support what he believes in isn't it the right of the Mayor of Chicago/Boston to stand up for what they believe in?

    On a side note - I've never even seen a Chic-fil-a in my life....thankfully.

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