October 2011 Moms

Just want to apologize

I waited, so hopefully this won't get buried.

I'm sorry about the drama you guys. It was definitely not my intention. I was trying to share the gossip without being attacky but I fell short. If I had known, I definitely would have kept it to myself. 

I'm so, so sorry you guys missed out on your board for the day, and the potential FFFC goodness, over this bullshits.

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  • (Manilla is side-eyeing the idea that you even need to apologize, btw)
  • You know why I love you, Ovey? Because you clearly have the RDR tumblr bookmarked.

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  • It's okay , pear.  We don't blame you at all.  This madness is incredibly ridiculous.  These ladies reeaaly need to get a life instead of taking over our board.
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  • Please, PB, don't apologize. You did nothing wrong! I don't think anyone could have known how ridiculous this would get.
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  • Pear, you don't have to apologize at all. 

     

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  • Definitely don't apologize! The most ridiculous part of it all is that your original post said nothing in the title about FB, proving that they still stalk the board, yet claim they dont want anything to do with us. I ignored it all day, but I just had to point out their hypocrisy here.
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  • Pear, no need to apologize.  Hugs to you.
  • Cmonkey (or as my autocorrect wants to call her, c'mon key) said it best. 

    You have no reason to apologize. I do wish the trolls had been more entertaining, though I don't know how to blame that on you.  

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  • this is one of my favorite movies ever, so this totally popped into my head when reading this (sorry i can't clicky).  

     it's not your fault!

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  • imageoverture:
    (Manilla is side-eyeing the idea that you even need to apologize, btw)

    she should apologize what she said was very hurtful, and people came over because she made fun of the support that has been given. you should all hold on tight to your healthy babies. that is all i have to say. 

    ps. sorry i can't remember how to change my ticker i know i am like 18 months ku

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  • imageKrisM86:
    It's okay , pear.  We don't blame you at all.  This madness is incredibly ridiculous.  These ladies reeaaly need to get a life instead of taking over our board.

     

    Your board? It's a public forum. It's not your board. 

    No one watches you people. One of your "regulars" tells the fb members when you say anything about us. That's not our fault. 

  • Actually, IT IS her fault and her "apology" is absolutely warranted. She decided to come over here and bash the girls on Facebook. SHE chose to maintain "membership" (for lack of a better term) in both groups.  SHE decided to stay in the FB group.  If SHE wanted to leave, she could have at any time.  But instead of not just leaving, she decided to come over to TB and unnecessarily bash and ridicule people.  It was uncalled for. 

    We wanted to support the girls that she, Pear, was attacking.  Everyone wants to back their friends, and that is what we were doing. 

    So now that she isn't in any of the FB groups anymore, I truly hope that you can all move on with your lives now. Lopes is the only one that I think is left - and she is left in the group that is essentially dead - so you won't get any gossip to entertain yourselves from there. 

  • imagelittlebeesmama:

    Actually, IT IS her fault and her "apology" is absolutely warranted. She decided to come over here and bash the girls on Facebook. SHE chose to maintain "membership" (for lack of a better term) in both groups.  SHE decided to stay in the FB group.  If SHE wanted to leave, she could have at any time.  But instead of not just leaving, she decided to come over to TB and unnecessarily bash and ridicule people.  It was uncalled for. 

    We wanted to support the girls that she, Pear, was attacking.  Everyone wants to back their friends, and that is what we were doing. 

    So now that she isn't in any of the FB groups anymore, I truly hope that you can all move on with your lives now. Lopes is the only one that I think is left - and she is left in the group that is essentially dead - so you won't get any gossip to entertain yourselves from there. 

    Amen. 

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  • imageWoodsie:
    imagemandeepandy:

    imageoverture:
    (Manilla is side-eyeing the idea that you even need to apologize, btw)

    she should apologize what she said was very hurtful, and people came over because she made fun of the support that has been given. you should all hold on tight to your healthy babies. that is all i have to say. 

    ps. sorry i can't remember how to change my ticker i know i am like 18 months ku

    So bombing the board with random posts under an AE was the best way to resolve the situation? What message do you think was sent today? How about woman up and discuss the issue directly, like an adult?

    Unless you forgot, the efforts to say that her ridiculous, rude and mean post were called out that day.  She completely blew them off and never was a "woman" or "adult".  

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    So now that she isn't in any of the FB groups anymore, I truly hope that you can all move on with your lives now. Lopes is the only one that I think is left - and she is left in the group that is essentially dead - so you won't get any gossip to entertain yourselves from there. 

    I agree with what Woodsie posted. This ridiculous post-in, or whatever, you've all engaged in has done nothing to further your cause and has only, again, reinforced our opinions of you and yours, if not lowered them further. 

    You all keep alluding to one of our regulars who tattles over to your group. You'll notice none of us have taken your bait and demanded she out herself. Because we are adults over here who don't actually care.  

    Now, a few hours ago you said you were leaving. Goodbye.  

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  • imagemandeepandy:

    imageoverture:
    (Manilla is side-eyeing the idea that you even need to apologize, btw)

    she should apologize what she said was very hurtful, and people came over because she made fun of the support that has been given. you should all hold on tight to your healthy babies. that is all i have to say. 

    ps. sorry i can't remember how to change my ticker i know i am like 18 months ku

    Good God, is this McKenna's mom? are you seriously over here participating in this? Have you even read anything I've written?

    I will say it once again, because I want to be clear. My sincerest condolences to anyone who is experiencing a tragedy. I don't really know anyone who any of the FB groups were created for, so I felt uncomfortable. I know the women who created the groups had good intentions but I couldn't in good conscience commiserate with them. I felt a lot of pressure to be heavily involved and it felt false and improper during what must be a very personal and painful time. In all honesty, if one of those groups had formed without my knowledge, I'd have been furious. I left the groups, and shared my feelings with my fellow Bumpies. Period. There was no mocking, no singling anyone out.

    I am deeply sorry if you have been hurt in all of this. I hope you find strength in the support of your fellow FBers, and believe me when I say Mckenna and all your family are in my T&Ps.

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  • imagepearblossom:
    imagemandeepandy:

    imageoverture:
    (Manilla is side-eyeing the idea that you even need to apologize, btw)

    she should apologize what she said was very hurtful, and people came over because she made fun of the support that has been given. you should all hold on tight to your healthy babies. that is all i have to say. 

    ps. sorry i can't remember how to change my ticker i know i am like 18 months ku

    Good God, is this McKenna's mom? are you seriously over here participating in this? Have you even read anything I've written?

    I will say it once again, because I want to be clear. My sincerest condolences to anyone who is experiencing a tragedy. I don't really know anyone who any of the FB groups were created for, so I felt uncomfortable. I know the women who created the groups had good intentions but I couldn't in good conscience commiserate with them. I felt a lot of pressure to be heavily involved and it felt false and improper during what must be a very personal and painful time. In all honesty, if one of those groups had formed without my knowledge, I'd have been furious. I left the groups, and shared my feelings with my fellow Bumpies. Period. There was no mocking, no singling anyone out.

    I am deeply sorry if you have been hurt in all of this. I hope you find strength in the support of your fellow FBers, and believe me when I say Mckenna and all your family are in my T&Ps.

    the thing you have to remember is in the end we are all bumpies! This board is how we all met.

    and yes this is Mckenna's mommy and I felt hurt by your original post it made me feel like you where laughing at my child's condition to be honest 

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  • You know, from what I read, Pear never had a problem with the efforts to help people from the FB group who were in need.  What she had a problem with were members who made those efforts about themselves and their seeming altruism, and the rubber-necking that she felt was done to the members who had personal setbacks.

    And, well, all you seemed to have proved here today is that Pear was right.  You have completely made this about yourselves.  Do you really think the women who you are supposedly defending give a sh*t about what happens here?  It sounds like they have much bigger problems than a message board on which they don't even post.  Don't you think the energy you spent here today could have been put to better use by, I don't know, actually doing something helpful for your friends who are in need?

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    So now that she isn't in any of the FB groups anymore, I truly hope that you can all move on with your lives now. Lopes is the only one that I think is left - and she is left in the group that is essentially dead - so you won't get any gossip to entertain yourselves from there. 

    I agree with what Woodsie posted. This ridiculous post-in, or whatever, you've all engaged in has done nothing to further your cause and has only, again, reinforced our opinions of you and yours, if not lowered them further. 

    You all keep alluding to one of our regulars who tattles over to your group. You'll notice none of us have taken your bait and demanded she out herself. Because we are adults over here who don't actually care.  

    Now, a few hours ago you said you were leaving. Goodbye.  

    This. If you all took such issue with what Pear said, and felt the need to come over here and voice your opinion about it, then fine. You're entitled to do that. But for god sakes, at least do it in a semi productive way. Act like the grown women you are, come here under your own screen name, and speak your mind. The way you went about this whole thing was juvinile. AEs making tons of pointless posts, silly jokes, and lame poems is just ridiculous. How can you honestly not realize that the only thing you are accomplishing here is making yourselves look stupid?
  • I'm falling for you too, Woodie.  In an incredibly creepy way. Wink
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    I'm falling for you too, Woodie.  In an incredibly creepy way. Wink

    lol.

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  • imagemandeepandy:

    the thing you have to remember is in the end we are all bumpies! This board is how we all met.

    and yes this is Mckenna's mommy and I felt hurt by your original post it made me feel like you where laughing at my child's condition to be honest 

    The thing is, and what overture just posted, is that nowhere in her post did Pear make fun of anyone who was suffering. Nor would she. I have to say you're mistaken.

    I am sorry you and your family are having a difficult time. 

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  • imagepearblossom:

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    I'm falling for you too, Woodie.  In an incredibly creepy way. Wink

    lol.

    I would edit, but TB knows what's in my heart.  Which is a giant woodie for Woodsie.

  • imagelittlebeesmama:

    Actually, IT IS her fault and her "apology" is absolutely warranted. She decided to come over here and bash the girls on Facebook. SHE chose to maintain "membership" (for lack of a better term) in both groups.  SHE decided to stay in the FB group.  If SHE wanted to leave, she could have at any time.  But instead of not just leaving, she decided to come over to TB and unnecessarily bash and ridicule people.  It was uncalled for. 

    We wanted to support the girls that she, Pear, was attacking.  Everyone wants to back their friends, and that is what we were doing. 

    There are some serious reading comp fails here on your part. 

    She's not apologizing to you, she's apologizing to US for possibly encouraging your immature behavior.  So I think we'll decide if the apology is warranted.  Thanks.

    And second of all, if she was "attacking" anyone (which she wasn't), it wasn't the people who are experiencing misfortune.  She was "attacking" YOU.  Because she didn't want seem like one of those people who is so wrapped up in themselves that they have to co-opt other people's pain to give their lives more meaning.  Which is what you've been doing for the past 12 hours.

  • Ladies.... lets be honest here.. all of us.. with TBers of FBers.  In the end, we are all mothers, each and every one of us.  Yes, today and in the past we all have said or done something that was inappropriate.  
    Pear.. I think it was wrong for you to come over here are ridicule our support system for a mom and her daughter whom we love dearly.  This family has become family to me and many others on FB.  I dont appreciate the fact that you dont support our support.  I dont appreciate the fact that you are making comments about Mckennas mom coming on here and saying something.  Franky, if it was me I would have had something a lot sooner and not as nice.  How dare you say anything, honestly I really hope that nothing bad happens to any of your children.  But if it does, I bet you will still have people to support you through that ordeal and you feel grateful that you have them.  Please dont underestimate our support and how we go about doing it.  if you dont want to be a part of then.. FINE, but theres no reason to go bashing it!!

    Anyways.. this is dumb.. my point it that we are all mothers.. lets act like them 

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    imagelittlebeesmama:

    Actually, IT IS her fault and her "apology" is absolutely warranted. She decided to come over here and bash the girls on Facebook. SHE chose to maintain "membership" (for lack of a better term) in both groups.  SHE decided to stay in the FB group.  If SHE wanted to leave, she could have at any time.  But instead of not just leaving, she decided to come over to TB and unnecessarily bash and ridicule people.  It was uncalled for. 

    We wanted to support the girls that she, Pear, was attacking.  Everyone wants to back their friends, and that is what we were doing. 

    There are some serious reading comp fails here on your part. 

    She's not apologizing to you, she's apologizing to US for possibly encouraging your immature behavior.  So I think we'll decide if the apology is warranted.  Thanks.

    And second of all, if she was "attacking" anyone (which she wasn't), it wasn't the people who are experiencing misfortune.  She was "attacking" YOU.  Because she didn't want seem like one of those people who is so wrapped up in themselves that they have to co-opt other people's pain to give their lives more meaning.  Which is what you've been doing for the past 12 hours.

     What you  are failing to understand is that someone extremely important to us-you know, that isn't anonymous-was hurt by the ridiculous post that Pear made. So whether she intended to hurt her (and others) or not isn't important. The fact is that she did. 

     When we called her out-which is what Woodsie suggested-she didn't give a bfuck. She continued on. Then most of you started claiming this as "your board" and told us to leave. 

     Out point was-we can post here any time we feel like it. It's public. So we accomplished what we set out to do which was to annoy you. Which we clearly did.  

  • imagelittlebeesmama:
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    imagelittlebeesmama:

    Actually, IT IS her fault and her "apology" is absolutely warranted. She decided to come over here and bash the girls on Facebook. SHE chose to maintain "membership" (for lack of a better term) in both groups.  SHE decided to stay in the FB group.  If SHE wanted to leave, she could have at any time.  But instead of not just leaving, she decided to come over to TB and unnecessarily bash and ridicule people.  It was uncalled for. 

    We wanted to support the girls that she, Pear, was attacking.  Everyone wants to back their friends, and that is what we were doing. 

    There are some serious reading comp fails here on your part. 

    She's not apologizing to you, she's apologizing to US for possibly encouraging your immature behavior.  So I think we'll decide if the apology is warranted.  Thanks.

    And second of all, if she was "attacking" anyone (which she wasn't), it wasn't the people who are experiencing misfortune.  She was "attacking" YOU.  Because she didn't want seem like one of those people who is so wrapped up in themselves that they have to co-opt other people's pain to give their lives more meaning.  Which is what you've been doing for the past 12 hours.

     What you twats are failing to understand is that someone extremely important to us-you know, that isn't anonymous-was hurt by the ridiculous post that Pear made. So whether she intended to hurt her (and others) or not isn't important. The fact is that she did. 

     When we called her out-which is what Woodsie suggested-she didn't give a bfuck. She continued on. Then most of you started claiming this as "your board" and told us to leave. 

     Out point was-we can post here any time we feel like it. It's public. So we accomplished what we set out to do which was to annoy you. Which we clearly did.  

     

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  • imageMommaAlways:

    Ladies.... lets be honest here.. all of us.. with TBers of FBers.  In the end, we are all mothers, each and every one of us.  Yes, today and in the past we all have said or done something that was inappropriate.  
    Pear.. I think it was wrong for you to come over here are ridicule our support system for a mom and her daughter whom we love dearly.  This family has become family to me and many others on FB.  I dont appreciate the fact that you dont support our support.  I dont appreciate the fact that you are making comments about Mckennas mom coming on here and saying something.  Franky, if it was me I would have had something a lot sooner and not as nice.  How dare you say anything, honestly I really hope that nothing bad happens to any of your children.  But if it does, I bet you will still have people to support you through that ordeal and you feel grateful that you have them.  Please dont underestimate our support and how we go about doing it.  if you dont want to be a part of then.. FINE, but theres no reason to go bashing it!!

    Anyways.. this is dumb.. my point it that we are all mothers.. lets act like them 

    Well said!! 

  • imagemandeepandy:

    imageoverture:
    (Manilla is side-eyeing the idea that you even need to apologize, btw)

    she should apologize what she said was very hurtful, and people came over because she made fun of the support that has been given. you should all hold on tight to your healthy babies. that is all i have to say. 

    ps. sorry i can't remember how to change my ticker i know i am like 18 months ku

     Just want to point out that we don't all have perfectly healthy babies. I, for one, am experiencing many medical complications with my baby. I have recieved an enormous amount of suppot and well wishes from TB girls. You may think we are cold-hearted b!tches, but I, assure you, we are not.

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  • imagelittlebeesmama:
    So we accomplished what we set out to do which was to annoy you. Which we clearly did.  

    Well, I hope McKenna's mom feels comforted by it.  Nice job, ladies.

  • imagelittlebeesmama:
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    There are some serious reading comp fails here on your part. 

    She's not apologizing to you, she's apologizing to US for possibly encouraging your immature behavior.  So I think we'll decide if the apology is warranted.  Thanks.

    And second of all, if she was "attacking" anyone (which she wasn't), it wasn't the people who are experiencing misfortune.  She was "attacking" YOU.  Because she didn't want seem like one of those people who is so wrapped up in themselves that they have to co-opt other people's pain to give their lives more meaning.  Which is what you've been doing for the past 12 hours.

     What you  are failing to understand is that someone extremely important to us-you know, that isn't anonymous-was hurt by the ridiculous post that Pear made. So whether she intended to hurt her (and others) or not isn't important. The fact is that she did. 

     When we called her out-which is what Woodsie suggested-she didn't give a bfuck. She continued on. Then most of you started claiming this as "your board" and told us to leave. 

     Out point was-we can post here any time we feel like it. It's public. So we accomplished what we set out to do which was to annoy you. Which we clearly did.  

    Your reading comprehension is some of the worst I've seen on this site ever.  And that's saying a lot.  You keep bandying about the fact that this is a public forum, which I believe you think makes you sound like an intellectual.  It doesn't.  Based on everything else you write, it makes you sound as though you are parroting something you've heard someone else say.  

    I'm going to try to make this easy for you and use small words.  

    1) You and your cronies (that means the people you hang out with) continue to say that you don't lurk on this board. You claim to have only heard about Pear's post from someone else.  So if someone, and I'm guessing from this post McKenna's mom (and by the way NO ONE WOULD KNOW THAT IF NOT FOR YOU), found out and was hurt it was because one of you told her.  Whatever you (and I mean that to mean you and your friends, I know you might get confused by the fact you can be directed at groups and individuals) told her misconstrued what was actually said. So really - YOU hurt her feelings.  Shame on all of you for taking something and twisting it and repeating it to someone who seems to have enough going on in their lives.

    2) Pear's post about the Facebook group was posted on Saturday.  It is now Friday.  That's almost a week ago.  When it was posted, most of us probably read it and shook our heads and completely forgot about it.  Shame on all of you for continuing to bring it up, and continue whatever hurt you're claiming it brought on. 

    3) No one has "claimed" this board.  We've asked you to treat it respectfully.  The difference between this board and your precious group is that we are inclusive of all.  We accept all.  If you come and post here, we welcome you with open arms.  We share in your struggles, we provide you support.  Not just support to those we deem worthy.  There are people here I don't like.  It's not a secret.  But I would never tell them they couldn't post.  We're not like you.  Which you don't get.

    4) Those of you on Facebook have made it clear that you don't want to interact with members of this board.  Which is fine.  You're free to interact with whoever you want.  But if that's the case, none of us understand what you were doing here today.  It's not that you're not allowed, but if you dislike us all so much that you need your own special group, then what are you doing here interacting?  And if you have beef with Pear, then why are you dancing around the board like Rumpelstiltskin on his gold?  Do you think Pear is the only person who posts here?  Do you think we're going to turn on her?  Once again, we're not like you - even if we don't like her, we're not going to vote her off the island.

    5) None of us were annoyed by you, so if that was your goal it was a massive fail.  We weren't impressed with you, and I'm going to bet that's how many people in your life feel after interacting with you.  The thing is, we all have kids and we're busy enough taking care of them.  We don't need to take care of children who are masturbating all over this board to amuse themselves. 

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    1) So if someone, and I'm guessing from this post McKenna's mom (and by the way NO ONE WOULD KNOW THAT IF NOT FOR YOU), found out and was hurt it was because one of you told her.  Whatever you (and I mean that to mean you and your friends, I know you might get confused by the fact you can be directed at groups and individuals) told her misconstrued what was actually said. So really - YOU hurt her feelings.  Shame on all of you for taking something and twisting it and repeating it to someone who seems to have enough going on in their lives.

    Good fcuking point.

  • imageblu-eyedwife:

    imagelittlebeesmama:
    imageoverture:

    There are some serious reading comp fails here on your part. 

    She's not apologizing to you, she's apologizing to US for possibly encouraging your immature behavior.  So I think we'll decide if the apology is warranted.  Thanks.

    And second of all, if she was "attacking" anyone (which she wasn't), it wasn't the people who are experiencing misfortune.  She was "attacking" YOU.  Because she didn't want seem like one of those people who is so wrapped up in themselves that they have to co-opt other people's pain to give their lives more meaning.  Which is what you've been doing for the past 12 hours.

     What you  are failing to understand is that someone extremely important to us-you know, that isn't anonymous-was hurt by the ridiculous post that Pear made. So whether she intended to hurt her (and others) or not isn't important. The fact is that she did. 

     When we called her out-which is what Woodsie suggested-she didn't give a bfuck. She continued on. Then most of you started claiming this as "your board" and told us to leave. 

     Out point was-we can post here any time we feel like it. It's public. So we accomplished what we set out to do which was to annoy you. Which we clearly did.  

    Your reading comprehension is some of the worst I've seen on this site ever.  And that's saying a lot.  You keep bandying about the fact that this is a public forum, which I believe you think makes you sound like an intellectual.  It doesn't.  Based on everything else you write, it makes you sound as though you are parroting something you've heard someone else say.  

    I'm going to try to make this easy for you and use small words.  

    1) You and your cronies (that means the people you hang out with) continue to say that you don't lurk on this board. You claim to have only heard about Pear's post from someone else.  So if someone, and I'm guessing from this post McKenna's mom (and by the way NO ONE WOULD KNOW THAT IF NOT FOR YOU), found out and was hurt it was because one of you told her.  Whatever you (and I mean that to mean you and your friends, I know you might get confused by the fact you can be directed at groups and individuals) told her misconstrued what was actually said. So really - YOU hurt her feelings.  Shame on all of you for taking something and twisting it and repeating it to someone who seems to have enough going on in their lives.

    2) Pear's post about the Facebook group was posted on Saturday.  It is now Friday.  That's almost a week ago.  When it was posted, most of us probably read it and shook our heads and completely forgot about it.  Shame on all of you for continuing to bring it up, and continue whatever hurt you're claiming it brought on. 

    3) No one has "claimed" this board.  We've asked you to treat it respectfully.  The difference between this board and your precious group is that we are inclusive of all.  We accept all.  If you come and post here, we welcome you with open arms.  We share in your struggles, we provide you support.  Not just support to those we deem worthy.  There are people here I don't like.  It's not a secret.  But I would never tell them they couldn't post.  We're not like you.  Which you don't get.

     

    4) Those of you on Facebook have made it clear that you don't want to interact with members of this board.  Which is fine.  You're free to interact with whoever you want.  But if that's the case, none of us understand what you were doing here today.  It's not that you're not allowed, but if you dislike us all so much that you need your own special group, then what are you doing here interacting?  And if you have beef with Pear, then why are you dancing around the board like Rumpelstiltskin on his gold?  Do you think Pear is the only person who posts here?  Do you think we're going to turn on her?  Once again, we're not like you - even if we don't like her, we're not going to vote her off the island.

    5) None of us were annoyed by you, so if that was your goal it was a massive fail.  We weren't impressed with you, and I'm going to bet that's how many people in your life feel after interacting with you.  The thing is, we all have kids and we're busy enough taking care of them.  We don't need to take care of children who are masturbating all over this board to amuse themselves. 

     

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  • I have been staying out of this, but I just want to clarify that everyone saw Pear's original post. Not that it matters, but you guys keep referring to things only being 'heard about'. The initial post was brought to someone's attention and then everyone saw it. So we know what was posted. I agree that it needs to be done and over with. Nothing seems to be getting anyone anywhere. 
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  • Haleyjane - again, none of the FBers can seem to answer the simple question of why they were here stalking Pear's posts in the first place? Again, her post title said nothing about FB or anything remotely close to that. So how did they even know habout that post? No one has a good answer for this. They keep avoiding the question of why the fluck were they reading each post over here if they don't want to be here?!
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  • Because we can. 
  • That question has been answered a gazillion times, it's just that no one is following. Someone that posts regularly here brought it up to someone who posts regularly on FB. No one was here stalking Pear. 
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  • Okay, we'll I personally didn't say anything about Lopes. You must have me mistaken for someone else. 

     

    To clarify - someone in this group messaged someone in the FB group. The person who messaged the girl in the FB group was and is not in the FB group herself, she is only on this board. Does that make sense now? The story hasn't changed.

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