UO: make them good!

Andrewsgal · May 2012

It is that time again!

notkateanymore · May 2012

This is based on the music festival I went to last weekend...

Just because it says family friendly festival, doesn't mean it is. I mean, I was getting a contact high from sitting in the pool. If you want to go, get a sitter...or stay home. I shouldn't have to watch what I say or do because your kids are there. And that doesn't mean I was sitting there getting high...but if I want to say *** I wanna say it and I don't want to have to worry about the virgin ears of the 4 year old next to me. Also, kids get in free...I paid a TON of money to be there, so no I'm not moving over so they can see. Get here early and save them a seat just like we did for ourselves.

Andrewsgal · May 2012

I understand that some people have to sacrifice a lot or live on a very strict budget to SAH. I think it is actually admirable it is not something I would be willing to do. That being said if you choose to SAH and can't afford certain things them you can't afford them. It is not okay to screw over others because you are on a budget (not tipping a server/pizza delivery guy, or lie to get your kid in free)

You are not owed anything! It honestly shocks me that people think it is a right to do or particpate in certain things. If you can't affor it you can't afford it, don't justify stealing or lying because you think you deserve something you can't afford.

I did some interesting research after the spanking thread and it did not shock mr that SES is directly related to those who spank.

I think it is funny when people say they don't wear nice clothes because their baby will just ruin them with spit up or poop. WTH is your kid eating? DD puked all the time and we have had many blowouts nothing has ever been ruined because of it.

rvandiver0705 · May 2012

Andrewsgal:
I understand that some people have to sacrifice a lot or live on a very strict budget to SAH. I think it is actually admirable it is not something I would be willing to do. That being said if you choose to SAH and can't afford certain things them you can't afford them. It is not okay to screw over others because you are on a budget (not tipping a server/pizza delivery guy, or lie to get your kid in free)

You are not owed anything! It honestly shocks me that people think it is a right to do or particpate in certain things. If you can't affor it you can't afford it, don't justify stealing or lying because you think you deserve something you can't afford.

I did some interesting research after the spanking thread and it did not shock mr that SES is directly related to those who spank.

I think it is funny when people say they don't wear nice clothes because their baby will just ruin them with spit up or poop. WTH is your kid eating? DD puked all the time and we have had many blowouts nothing has ever been ruined because of it.

I think you are an incredibly rude person on this board. I truly hope that you get something positive out of constantly insulting people.

Rebekah1021 · May 2012

on my phone. sorry for the typos...i hate how people turn themselves into martyers. no one is better than another. my hubby works hard to provide for us and i am very appreciative yet enjoy my lifestyle. there is someone from church who constantly makes the worst choices and tries to make me feel bad. sorry lady, not gonna happen. i am going to enjoy living in the house we are building, the pool we are installing and i am not going to give you a pity party because you keep taking unpaid time off work for stupid shiite and can not pay your bills.

kcisthebombdotcom · May 2012

Andrewsgal:

I understand that some people have to sacrifice a lot or live on a very strict budget to SAH. I think it is actually admirable it is not something I would be willing to do. That being said if you choose to SAH and can't afford certain things them you can't afford them. It is not okay to screw over others because you are on a budget (not tipping a server/pizza delivery guy, or lie to get your kid in free)

You are not owed anything! It honestly shocks me that people think it is a right to do or particpate in certain things. If you can't affor it you can't afford it, don't justify stealing or lying because you think you deserve something you can't afford.

I did some interesting research after the spanking thread and it did not shock mr that SES is directly related to those who spank.

I think it is funny when people say they don't wear nice clothes because their baby will just ruin them with spit up or poop. WTH is your kid eating? DD puked all the time and we have had many blowouts nothing has ever been ruined because of it.

I agree with your first point. If you can't afford to tip a delivery driver or tip your waitress, you can't afford those things. It's one thing if you get horrendous service (I did leave 5 cents on a table once because the server was a total b!tch) but otherwise that's what you do.

I am also not surprised of the correlation between spanking/SES. I don't necessarily think it has to do with income, but more to do with lack of education. Less educated people are more likely to spank.

I hate white baby clothes. Even with stain treater, blowouts would always leave a nasty mark.

celiabwatson · May 2012

cjcouple:
What is ses?

Socio-economic status. My guess is that she learned that poor people spank more than rich people.

kcisthebombdotcom · May 2012

cjcouple:

What is ses?

Socioeconomic status.

Mrs.Hizzo · May 2012

Andrewsgal:
I understand that some people have to sacrifice a lot or live on a very strict budget to SAH. I think it is actually admirable it is not something I would be willing to do. That being said if you choose to SAH and can't afford certain things them you can't afford them. It is not okay to screw over others because you are on a budget (not tipping a server/pizza delivery guy, or lie to get your kid in free)

You are not owed anything! It honestly shocks me that people think it is a right to do or particpate in certain things. If you can't affor it you can't afford it, don't justify stealing or lying because you think you deserve something you can't afford.

I did some interesting research after the spanking thread and it did not shock mr that SES is directly related to those who spank.

I think it is funny when people say they don't wear nice clothes because their baby will just ruin them with spit up or poop. WTH is your kid eating? DD puked all the time and we have had many blowouts nothing has ever been ruined because of it.

1. Absolutely. Especially with tipping. If you can't afford to tip, go to Panera or Chipotle or someplace like that.

2. That seems logical.

3. I have no opinion on this.

JessesGirl&MackenziesMom · May 2012

As a parent, it is your job to keep your 4 year old from rampaging the two and under section of the park. "Let the kids work it out" doesn't apply in that situation.

luvmyducks · May 2012

I think people who brag about money to people that don't have any (or very much) are pretty much scum. Even when done subtly.

Andrewsgal · May 2012

cjcouple:
Dh and I have actually done the pickup/take out at restaurants if we didn't have enough for drinks and tip that day but didn't want fast food.
We also don't do pizza delivery because I hate tipping. I would rather drive up the road and get it myself.

See this makes total sense to me. We all have a budget on some sort and it makes perfect sense to do things to help you stay in your budget and still enjoy occasional treats.

Andrewsgal · May 2012

Rebekah1021:
on my phone. sorry for the typos...i hate how people turn themselves into martyers. no one is better than another. my hubby works hard to provide for us and i am very appreciative yet enjoy my lifestyle. there is someone from church who constantly makes the worst choices and tries to make me feel bad. sorry lady, not gonna happen. i am going to enjoy living in the house we are building, the pool we are installing and i am not going to give you a pity party because you keep taking unpaid time off work for stupid shiite and can not pay your bills.

Uh that drives me crazy too. I hate how it is just assumed you are lucky if you live comfortably. While I am sure a little luck plays into it a lot of it was hard work and sacrifice that led to that lifestyle. BTW I am jealous of the pool I would love one it is just not in the budget right now, enjoy!!

celiabwatson · May 2012

luvmyducks:
I think people who brag about money to people that don't have any (or very much) are pretty much scum. Even when done subtly.

For me, what is worse is to complain about money to people who have less than you. We had friends in college who both came from money. My husband and I did not. They would frequently complain about money and the lack thereof when we all knew they were far better off than we were. It's very frustrating and we're no longer friends with them.

JCrew&Kittens · May 2012

I don't think Ryan from the bachelorette is "all that". A lot of people seem to think he's great, but I think he has a game plan and I'm not buying it. He's a little dull too. I'm all about Jef and Arie.

Okay this isn't very controversial, but I think it is a truly unpopular opinion. At least in the reality TV bachelorette world.

JMC11511 · May 2012

I think, for the most part, UO Thursday is an excuse to be as judgmental and hurtful as possible.

alli2672 · May 2012

luvmyducks:
I think people who brag about money to people that don't have any (or very much) are pretty much scum. Even when done subtly.

Where do you think the line is between "friends chatting" and "subtly bragging?"

Andrewsgal · May 2012

alli2672:
luvmyducks:
I think people who brag about money to people that don't have any (or very much) are pretty much scum. Even when done subtly.

In what way?

We have several friends who make much less than we do (like maybe 10% of our income). Is it rude to invite them to our home? Is it rude to offer to pay for things at times? Is it rude to discuss vacation plans, furniture we are buying, or things we are having done to the house?

I love these women, and they are much too sweet to tell me if they are offended. Where do you think the line is between "friends chatting" and "subtly bragging?"

I agree with this. I have a lot of friends that have more money then we do. Sure sometimes when they talk about their fancy cars or awesome new houses I am green with envy but I don't think of them as scum.

chelseymat · May 2012

1. Maybe its because its 100 here and its impossible not to get sweaty but I think its gross not to shower daily. If you dont want to wash your hair no biggie....but I think you should shower.

2. I cannot talk to my sister in law anymore. She is constantly whining about what she doesn't have and telling me how much stuff FIL and Grandparents IL are buying for her baby. HELLO DH and I have two kids and you don't even come see them let alone buy them things. I'm not talking about clothes either. GIL paid $2000 for SIL to have a professional night nanny/sleep trainer. How about I sleep train my own kid and then you give me 2gs? I didn't even know those existed. I think its crappy she constantly complains about lack of sleep and she makes her DH get up with the baby. She has one newborn and no job. TAKE A FING NAP AND GET OVER YOURSELF. Plus, she has now devised a plan that the government should give her a daycare subsidy. SHe doesn't work and her DH makes a good salary. Why on earth should we pay for her day care? I have never in my life met a more spoiled bratty person.

celiabwatson · May 2012

alli2672:
luvmyducks:
I think people who brag about money to people that don't have any (or very much) are pretty much scum. Even when done subtly.

Where do you think the line is between "friends chatting" and "subtly bragging?"

Personally I'm offended by the following: going out of your way to mention the price of something, assuming that when an invitation to go out is declined it's because of money and then offering to pay (although if the friend declines by saying it's a cost issue it's fine to offer), and forgetting that your friends don't have as much and saying things like "we love our pool, you should get one".

Most of all I'm offended by the attitude that people have money because they worked hard for it. I completely agree that hard work plays a role. However, the implication is that people who don't have enough (or a cushion) aren't working hard. It is simply not the case. My husband and I both work very hard and money is tight. We are both smart educated people but we have student loans (we don't come from money) and we both have jobs with roughly $30,000 salaries starting that haven't gone up much in the 6 years we've been working. I'm staying home now because we can't afford daycare for two but I have to find something in his off hours to make ends meet. Hard work doesn't always pay the bills, sadly, and the attitude that all it takes is hard work really bothers me.

sophie206 · May 2012

MY UO is that I don't like the notion that you "have" to tip. If my pizza arrives in an hour when they say 30-45, why should I provide gratitude for good service? If I go to a restaurant and the waitress is aloof, mixes up orders and takes forever to check on us, why would I tip? And in some instances, as with larger parties, the 18 percent is automatically included in the total. It's become so mandatory.

And yet, while it irritates me, I can't think of a single instance when I didn't leave at least a 10 percent tip, regardless of poor service.

countrygrl5533 · May 2012

I hate how UO and FFFC always turn into a money debate. Or a spanking debate.

chelseymat · May 2012

chelseymat:
1. Maybe its because its 100 here and its impossible not to get sweaty but I think its gross not to shower daily. If you dont want to wash your hair no biggie....but I think you should shower.
2. I cannot talk to my sister in law anymore. She is constantly whining about what she doesn't have and telling me how much stuff FIL and Grandparents IL are buying for her baby. HELLO DH and I have two kids and you don't even come see them let alone buy them things. I'm not talking about clothes either. GIL paid $2000 for SIL to have a professional night nanny/sleep trainer. How about I sleep train my own kid and then you give me 2gs? I didn't even know those existed. I think its crappy she constantly complains about lack of sleep and she makes her DH get up with the baby. She has one newborn and no job. TAKE A FING NAP AND GET OVER YOURSELF. Plus, she has now devised a plan that the government should give her a daycare subsidy. SHe doesn't work and her DH makes a good salary. Why on earth should we pay for her day care? I have never in my life met a more spoiled bratty person.

Guess #2 wasn't a UO but a vent. LOL OK my revised #2 is that I have jury duty tomorrow and I'm super excited to be able to do my civic duty.

Andrewsgal · May 2012

sophie206:
MY UO is that I don't like the notion that you "have" to tip. If my pizza arrives in an hour when they say 30-45, why should I provide gratitude for good service? If I go to a restaurant and the waitress is aloof, mixes up orders and takes forever to check on us, why would I tip? And in some instances, as with larger parties, the 18 percent is automatically included in the total. It's become so mandatory.
And yet, while it irritates me, I can't think of a single instance when I didn't leave at least a 10 percent tip, regardless of poor service.

I tip at resturants because servers don't earn close to min wage. I think if they are crappy maybe they are having a bad day and let it go. I also think you just don't ever know whose fault something is, if my pizza takes 15 minutes longer than quoted maybe it was the kitchen guys fault and not the drivers fault so why should he be punished? I also know I could never do food service and put up with everyone so I feel for them.

hayleydeee · May 2012

Andrewsgal:
I understand that some people have to sacrifice a lot or live on a very strict budget to SAH. I think it is actually admirable it is not something I would be willing to do. That being said if you choose to SAH and can't afford certain things them you can't afford them. It is not okay to screw over others because you are on a budget (not tipping a server/pizza delivery guy, or lie to get your kid in free)

You are not owed anything! It honestly shocks me that people think it is a right to do or particpate in certain things. If you can't affor it you can't afford it, don't justify stealing or lying because you think you deserve something you can't afford.

I did some interesting research after the spanking thread and it did not shock mr that SES is directly related to those who spank.

I think it is funny when people say they don't wear nice clothes because their baby will just ruin them with spit up or poop. WTH is your kid eating? DD puked all the time and we have had many blowouts nothing has ever been ruined because of it.

I've intentionally not worn "nice" clothes that require dry cleaning or special care because of the likelihood that they'll get spit up on them. For one, I don't want more work as far as laundry goes, and two, the dry cleaning bill isn't in our budget.

Andrewsgal · May 2012

hayleydeee:
Andrewsgal:
I understand that some people have to sacrifice a lot or live on a very strict budget to SAH. I think it is actually admirable it is not something I would be willing to do. That being said if you choose to SAH and can't afford certain things them you can't afford them. It is not okay to screw over others because you are on a budget (not tipping a server/pizza delivery guy, or lie to get your kid in free)

You are not owed anything! It honestly shocks me that people think it is a right to do or particpate in certain things. If you can't affor it you can't afford it, don't justify stealing or lying because you think you deserve something you can't afford.

I did some interesting research after the spanking thread and it did not shock mr that SES is directly related to those who spank.

I think it is funny when people say they don't wear nice clothes because their baby will just ruin them with spit up or poop. WTH is your kid eating? DD puked all the time and we have had many blowouts nothing has ever been ruined because of it.
I've intentionally not worn "nice" clothes that require dry cleaning or special care because of the likelihood that they'll get spit up on them. For one, I don't want more work as far as laundry goes, and two, the dry cleaning bill isn't in our budget.

Oh no I am not talking dry cleaning stuff, I don't own alot that is dry clean only and what I do is nicer stuff for nights out and such. I am talking just clothes that are nicer quality like even a nice fitting t-shirt vs stained or pilled tees.

kcisthebombdotcom · May 2012

sophie206:

MY UO is that I don't like the notion that you "have" to tip. If my pizza arrives in an hour when they say 30-45, why should I provide gratitude for good service? If I go to a restaurant and the waitress is aloof, mixes up orders and takes forever to check on us, why would I tip? And in some instances, as with larger parties, the 18 percent is automatically included in the total. It's become so mandatory.

And yet, while it irritates me, I can't think of a single instance when I didn't leave at least a 10 percent tip, regardless of poor service.

The person who drove the pizza to your house is likely not the cause of your pizza taking forever. Nor is it always the waitress' fault when the food comes out wrong and she can't come over to check on you because she may have 10 other tables that need stuff too.

I mean, I get leaving crap when the waitress is in the back texting or hitting on some other server. A lot of times, when there's a busy restaurant they just can't come over to you.

I've definitely walked out and left a 5 cent tip once. The waitress brought the wrong drink, which wasn't a big deal, but argued that my DH ordered orange juice instead of apple juice. Then she never came over to our table again even though it was a fairly empty restaurant and she only had one other tables of customers besides us. I don't think that you should tip for bad service, but tip the waitress for providing you a service. If they're not doing their job (unless you see the poor girl running around like crazy because the restaurant is slammed) their tip should reflect that.

countrygrl5533 · May 2012

chelseymat:
1. Maybe its because its 100 here and its impossible not to get sweaty but I think its gross not to shower daily. If you dont want to wash your hair no biggie....but I think you should shower.

If I lived someplace warm, I would shower everyday. But it is under 50 most the year here, under 30 from about November-March. It dries my skin out too much to shower everyday, even with moisturizing body wash. I'm sure part of that is that we heat with wood.

sophie206 · May 2012

Andrewsgal:
sophie206:
MY UO is that I don't like the notion that you "have" to tip. If my pizza arrives in an hour when they say 30-45, why should I provide gratitude for good service? If I go to a restaurant and the waitress is aloof, mixes up orders and takes forever to check on us, why would I tip? And in some instances, as with larger parties, the 18 percent is automatically included in the total. It's become so mandatory.
And yet, while it irritates me, I can't think of a single instance when I didn't leave at least a 10 percent tip, regardless of poor service.
I tip at resturants because servers don't earn close to min wage. I think if they are crappy maybe they are having a bad day and let it go. I also think you just don't ever know whose fault something is, if my pizza takes 15 minutes longer than quoted maybe it was the kitchen guys fault and not the drivers fault so why should he be punished? I also know I could never do food service and put up with everyone so I feel for them.

Okay, your first comment about servers not earning close to min wage confused me, so I looked it up. The reason I was confused is because in my state (Washington state) tipped employees have the same minimum wage as non-tipped positions, which is over $9. https://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm#Washington Which explains why my friends in the service industry (who rock at their jobs!) end up making like $20-30/hour or more.

ETA - clicky link

hayleydeee · May 2012

mrscarter09:
I think, for the most part, UO Thursday is an excuse to be as judgmental and hurtful as possible.

Sometimes it does seem that way. Plus, I've noticed that some of the opinions posted don't really seem to be actual "UO". I mean, by claiming that an opinion is "un-poppular", then that would imply that the opposite IS popular, right?

Mine are:

It's way more fun when people stick to the topic of actual "UO" on these posts.

I'd rather cram 3 car seats into the back of my fun/ peppy little car than drive a practical (and potentially gas guzzling) SUV or mini van.

Southern California drives me crazy. I can't stand the place. It makes me grumpy and I'm always happy to leave and get out of there as soon as possible.

hayleydeee · May 2012

scatteredtrees:
Hey remember when UOs used to be about wearing Crocs and buying second hand kid's clothes?

Exactly!

chelseymat · May 2012

countrygrl5533:
chelseymat:
1. Maybe its because its 100 here and its impossible not to get sweaty but I think its gross not to shower daily. If you dont want to wash your hair no biggie....but I think you should shower.
If I lived someplace warm, I would shower everyday. But it is under 50 most the year here, under 30 from about November-March. It dries my skin out too much to shower everyday, even with moisturizing body wash. I'm sure part of that is that we heat with wood.

Yeah thats why I prefaced it with, "maybe because its 100"........

sophie206 · May 2012

KC_13:
sophie206:

MY UO is that I don't like the notion that you "have" to tip. If my pizza arrives in an hour when they say 30-45, why should I provide gratitude for good service? If I go to a restaurant and the waitress is aloof, mixes up orders and takes forever to check on us, why would I tip? And in some instances, as with larger parties, the 18 percent is automatically included in the total. It's become so mandatory.

And yet, while it irritates me, I can't think of a single instance when I didn't leave at least a 10 percent tip, regardless of poor service.

The person who drove the pizza to your house is likely not the cause of your pizza taking forever. Nor is it always the waitress' fault when the food comes out wrong and she can't come over to check on you because she may have 10 other tables that need stuff too.

I mean, I get leaving crap when the waitress is in the back texting or hitting on some other server. A lot of times, when there's a busy restaurant they just can't come over to you.

I've definitely walked out and left a 5 cent tip once. The waitress brought the wrong drink, which wasn't a big deal, but argued that my DH ordered orange juice instead of apple juice. Then she never came over to our table again even though it was a fairly empty restaurant and she only had one other tables of customers besides us. I don't think that you should tip for bad service, but tip the waitress for providing you a service. If they're not doing their job (unless you see the poor girl running around like crazy because the restaurant is slammed) their tip should reflect that.

I agree with this - and that is why I still tip in poor circumstances. I give the benefit of the doubt. I just think there was a time when people were actually paid enough by their employers in service jobs, so that tips were not relied on to pay their living wage, KWIM? And now it seems that it's expected for customers to directly pay their wages (in many states anyway). I have no problem tipping for normal/good service.

Andrewsgal · May 2012

sophie206:
Andrewsgal:
sophie206:
MY UO is that I don't like the notion that you "have" to tip. If my pizza arrives in an hour when they say 30-45, why should I provide gratitude for good service? If I go to a restaurant and the waitress is aloof, mixes up orders and takes forever to check on us, why would I tip? And in some instances, as with larger parties, the 18 percent is automatically included in the total. It's become so mandatory.
And yet, while it irritates me, I can't think of a single instance when I didn't leave at least a 10 percent tip, regardless of poor service.
I tip at resturants because servers don't earn close to min wage. I think if they are crappy maybe they are having a bad day and let it go. I also think you just don't ever know whose fault something is, if my pizza takes 15 minutes longer than quoted maybe it was the kitchen guys fault and not the drivers fault so why should he be punished? I also know I could never do food service and put up with everyone so I feel for them.
Okay, your first comment about servers not earning close to min wage confused me, so I looked it up. The reason I was confused is because in my state (Washington state) tipped employees have the same minimum wage as non-tipped positions, which is over $9. https://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm#Washington Which explains why my friends in the service industry (who rock at their jobs!) end up making like $20-30/hour or more.
ETA - clicky link

That is interesting! I had no clue, I thought all servers earned a lower wage, thanks.

countrygrl5533 · May 2012

chelseymat:
countrygrl5533:
chelseymat:
1. Maybe its because its 100 here and its impossible not to get sweaty but I think its gross not to shower daily. If you dont want to wash your hair no biggie....but I think you should shower.
If I lived someplace warm, I would shower everyday. But it is under 50 most the year here, under 30 from about November-March. It dries my skin out too much to shower everyday, even with moisturizing body wash. I'm sure part of that is that we heat with wood.
Yeah thats why I prefaced it with, "maybe because its 100"........

Oh, I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was just adding to. Smile

Rebekah1021 · May 2012

I think uo thursday just shows how people really are. it is a more honest view on things instead of an every day p.c. stuff

hayleydeee · May 2012

chelseymat:
chelseymat:

Guess #2 wasn't a UO but a vent. LOL OK my revised #2 is that I have jury duty tomorrow and I'm super excited to be able to do my civic duty.

I love this. Hopefully you get picked to serve on an interesting case!

missmolly511 · May 2012

I don't like Outback Steakhouse. Surprise

I have had terrible food and terrible service every time I've been there, and I don't care to ever go again!

Andrewsgal · May 2012

missmolly511:
I don't like Outback Steakhouse. I have had terrible food and terrible service every time I've been there, and I don't care to ever go again!

I really still want to know what your MIL did!

hayleydeee · May 2012

Andrewsgal:
missmolly511:
I don't like Outback Steakhouse. I have had terrible food and terrible service every time I've been there, and I don't care to ever go again!
I really still want to know what your MIL did!

Is this about the toothbrush thing? Me too!

And I must confess that, while that confession was pretty shocking, I felt bad that she kind of got flamed for it. After all, it was in a "flame free" thread!

Andrewsgal · May 2012

amy052006:
Rebekah1021:
i thin uo thursday just shows how people really are. it is a more honest view on things instead of an every day p.c. stuff
Exactly. And I think that is good thing.
I don't give a crap what anyone here thinks about Crocs. I do like when the cheapos/martyrs/or general crazies get smoked out though.

Lol I do like smoking out the crazies. It also makes my laugh that I totally got called out for being mean. It was so second grade to me. Anyway I think the change from puppies and rainbows to truth and reality is refreshing. I also don't understand getting your feelings hurt by a stranger on the Internet.

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