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BeeBee08
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Official Beta and WTF
BeeBee08
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My FET is an official failure. It's okay, I'm taking it all on out on my poor husband. I would punch me in the face if I were him. He's a good sport.
I also had my WTF today. Very fast, when I called to make an appointment, there was a cancellation so I got in right away. My RE thinks there is absolutely no reason for my fails. She says I'm producing a good amount of great quality embies and at this point it's just a numbers game and I'm falling on the crappy side of the statistics. She recommends giving it another shot without changing protocols (or I can do a short protocol if I choose, she's okay with both) and doesn't recommend any additional testing. She said if I was having recurrent implantation and then losing it, it would be a different story, but since I'm not having that problem, we just need to get "lucky". I'm not sure how I feel about that. Do you guys have any comments?
me 33/DH 36
ttc since 10/2008; d/x: mild MFI, stageII endo
~~PAIF/SAIF Welcome~~
11 IUI’s = 1 m/c (7w4d)
IVF#1 January 2012 BFN, FET #1 April 2012 BFN
Surprise BFP October 2012 m/c (7w), Surprise BFP April 2013 m/c (6w4d)
IVF #2: July 2013, ET 1 embryo 7/18, beta 1 @ 14dp3dt - 757, beta 2 @ 16dp3dt - 1762
U/S 1 @ 6w4d = 1 little frogger with HB of 118, U/S 2 @ 7w3d measuring right on track with HB of 160
Stick Frogger Stick! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a Girl, EDD April 7, 2014
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Re: Official Beta and WTF
Sorry B. Not the news anyone deserves to hear. I look forward to seeing what others have to say because my clinic basically says the same thing...I just need to get "lucky". If I were a gambler who enjoyed tossing tens of thousands of dollars down on black that would be enticing, but I am not and I prefer more than "luck".
(((hugs)))
Countless BFN(s)
Moving to IVF
IVF1 (ICSI): Long Lupron
6R. 3F. 3DT. 8Cell 1Grade 2Embies. 1Frostie.
Beta 1/22: 14 Beta 1/24: 24 Beta 1/26: 28
Round One Result: Chemical Pregnancy
Pressing Forward
IVF2 (ICSI/AH/ACU): Microdose Lupron Flare
13R. 11F. 5DT. 2TFR'ed. 1Frostie.
Round Two Result 4/30: Harsh BFN
FET. 2TFR'ed.
Round Three Result 6/25: BFN
Where do we go from here?
Moving forward with CCRM in 2013
ODWU revealed blocked tube(s). Lap 2/15.
Bilateral Tubal Ligation. Stage IV Endo.
Finally some (tough) answers.
IVF3 (ICSI/CCS): Antagonist with EPP
13R. We have 3 CCS Normal Embryos!
Lupron Depot: May 2013 to August 2013
Long awaited FET on 9/3. 2TFR'ed.
BFP on FRER 5dp5dt: IN SHOCK!
Beta1 9/10: 152.7! Beta2 9/12: 378! Beta3 9/14: 1224!
1st ultrasound 10/1: TWO beautiful heartbeats! Overjoyed!
Oh Bee Bee. I'm so sorry. It's just not fair.
As for it being a numbers game, I thikn there is some truth to that. I have done the same protocol for all 4 IVFs with varying degrees of response and success. After my 3rd IVF on the same protocol, I went for a second opinion with another guy who said that my current RE was doing it all worng, should change this and that, etc. I went baclk to my current RE and told him what the other RE said and he said that the other RE was doing it all wrong, etc.
In the end, I stayed with my old RE and did the same protocol with the worst response ever and have this LO cooking now. As much as we all know about this process from having to go through so much, I think you have to reach a point and just listen to your RE, go through the motions and hope that you end up on the good side of the numbers sooner rather than later.
TTC Since 10/08 4 IUIs=BFNx4
IVF#1=BFP!! Twins!!
Bradley and Billy born and lost on 2/2/11 at 19w2d due to pPROM/PTL. I miss you, little angels.
IVF#2=BFN
IVF#3=c/p IVF#4=Empty Follicle Syndrome; 1 mature, fertilized, & made it to blast. 5dt of "the lone ranger" on 9/6. Please stick, little one!
I have found this to be a very expensive trial and error process, not to mention emotionally unbearable. That being said she is probably right to some degree. I don't think it ever hurts to get a second opinion.
Big hugs, I hope others can give you a better answers than me...
3 failed IVF with OE and 2 failed frozen DE cycles
Last fresh hail mary DE cycle starting Feb 2013
PAIF/SAIF always welcome
Oh hun, I'm so sorry. These negatives are just soul crushing.. and they never get easier. Big hugs.
I do believe it's a numbers/luck game. And it sucks. It's a very expensive gamble and sometimes there is absolutley no reason why a cycle has failed. It's so completley unfair.
We all love you and are here for you. Take care of yourself.
2/06 - surprise pregnancy - twins
3/06 - m/c 1st baby at 6 weeks
5/06 -2nd baby had no heartbeat at 14 wks.
D&E - Bled out. Blood transfusions. Week in ICU - Cheated Death!
Diagnosis: Blood clotting and bleeding disorder, immune issues, & cervical stenosis
5/10 - 1st IVF cycle - BFN
FET - 10/12/10 - BFN
1/11 - IVF with PGD - BFN
IVF - May - BFN
6/11 New RE - fingers crossed!
9/11 - IVF - 4 transferred
10/13 - BFP!!
It's a boy! Clint Michael, Due in June!!!
Retrieval - 33 Eggs, 29 Fertilized, 14 Frosties
IVF #1 - 3/17/2011 - 2 Blasts
3/31/2011 - Beta #1 - 395 BFP
4/04/2011 - Beta #2 - 1458
4/8/2011 - Ultrasound - little bean measures 5wks 2dys
4/9/2011 - Confirmed miscarriage
FET #1 - 6/23/2011 - 2 blasts (already hatching)
7/7/2011 - Beta #1 - BFN
FET #2 - 8/18/2011 - 2 blasts
9/1/2011 - Beta #1 - BFN
Second Hysteroscopy - 9/15/2011
Uterine Septum Found and Removed
FET #3 - 11/23/2011 - 3 blasts, 1 already hatching
12/7/2011 - Beta #1 - 193 BFP
12/8/2011 - Beta #1.5 - 320
12/9/2011- Beta #2 - 454
12/16/2011- 2nd Miscarriage
FET #4 - 3/1/2012 4 blasts
3/12/2012 - Beta #1 454 BFP
3/15/2012 - Beta #2 1520
3/19/2012 - Beta #3 5000 plus
3/20/2012 - Ultrasound #1 Triplets
6/11/2012 - Expecting 2 Boys
10/01/2012 - Welcome to the world Bryce and Charlie
PAIF & SAIF Always Welcome
Siggy Challenge:The Day My Embryos Were Transferred
I am so sorry. I remember feeling the exact same way that you do know after our first FET failed. We were in the same boat, nothing "caused" the BFN, it just didn't work. It is so frustrating and disappointing, and there isn't a reason it didn't work.
For me, this is when I sought a second opinion. I had some other issues with my original clinic that I was not happy about anyway, and this was a good point for me to seek a second opinion. We ended up switching clinics, and in my case, I responded better to a different protocol, and creating better quality embryos at the new clinic. We were successful on IVF fresh cycle #2.
It never hurts to get a second opinion, but I do believe that it is a combination of trial and error and luck all mixed in there. Hang in there. ((hugs))
Hugs. I'm so sorry about your BFN.
I hate that you just fell on the bad side of the stats... That doesn't make it any easier.
Best wishes as you move forward.
IVF #1 w ICSI in July 2010 = BFN
IVF #2.1 in Oct 2010 converted to IUI = BFN
IVF #2.2 w ICSI in Dec 2010 = BFN
Met with new RE in new city on 1/31/11.
IVF #3 w ICSI in April 2011. HPT on 5/9 = BFP!
Beta #1 on 5/10 (10dp5dt) = 99.4. Beta #2 on 5/12 = 284. First u/s on 5/26. = Fraternal TWINS!
Twin boys born & lost on 8/16/11 at 18w1d due to PPROM & preterm labor.
IVF #4.1 in Jan 2012 converted to IUI on 1/7/12 = BFN
IVF #4.2 w ICSI in Feb 2012. Lupron on 2/10. Stims on 2/18. ER on 2/29- 7R,6F
ET scheduled for 3/5/12- nothing to transfer
Dh seeing new MFI uro & Dh starting meds- June 2012.
IVF #5 in Dec 2012 = BFFN.
IVF #6 planned for Spring 2013. Praying for our take home baby/ies.
**P/SAIF and P/SAL always welcome!**
::BIG HUGS::
I'm so sorry sweets. I agree that a 2nd opinion wouldn't hurt.
7 IUIs = All BFNs
2011: March IVF #1.2 = e/p @ 6w: May IVF #2 = BFN: July sFET #1 = BFN
2012: Jan We're Certified FC/A Parents
May IVF #3 = c/p
June-Nov Foster Mommy to M (Toddler)
July FET #2 = BFN
Aug FET #3 = BFN
Sept-Nov Foster Mommy to Baby Bella (Newborn)
Nov HSG/Sono = Clear!
Dec FET #4 = BFN
2013: Feb FET #5 = m/c @ 6.5w
May-July Foster Mom to H (8 yr old girl)
June/July/Aug IVF #4 = Freeze All
July = Unofficially Adopting T (10 yr old boy)
Sept FET #6 = TBD
**PAIF/SAIF Welcome**
DH: Severe MFI/Azoo Me: Compound heterozygous MTHFR
IVF #1= m/c- methotrexate @6w2d
FET #1= BFN
IVF #2= m/c- D&C @8w5d
IVF #3= Beta #1 9dp5dt= 252, Beta #2 11dp5dt= 417, Beta #3 17dp5dt= 4,952
US #2 @ 7w2d= twins, baby B measuring behind
US #3 @ 8w5d= Baby A doing well, no HR in baby B
*S/PAIF always welcome*
11/2010 DH SA good...01/2011 HSG is clear...01/2011 Consult with RE
suprise BFP but m/c on 2/7/11
03/2011 50 mg clomid=BFN
04/2011 clomid+bromocriptine+IUI=BFP at 11dpiui
Beta #1(11dpiui)=33, Beta #2 (13dpiui)=96, Beta #3 (20dpiui)=1910, Beta #4 (26dpiui)=20,134
I am so very sorry! HUGE (((HUGS)))
My old RE would never call a cycle a failure. He always said we were unlucky!
I think I read on some website last night that only 10% of all IVF cycles go on to a full term pg with a bring home baby. Only 10% WTF?! It seems so low to me when I see so many people on the bump and other IF forums who get lucky. IF is such a mind F!ck! And it sucks!
06.10.12 +HPT 06.12.12 Beta #1 = 2,770 06.14.12 Beta #2 = 6,300
1st U/S 06.18.12 2nd U/S 06.25.12
09.24.12 It's a Boy!! ---> Jacob Owen
Our IF Journey Began: October 2009
**8 Failed IUI's, 1 Blighted Ovum, & 1 Failed IVF**
Dx: MFI, DOR w/MTHFR Homozygous A1298C & Hypothyroidism
03.2012 Lab Results: FSH 6.83 AMH 0.67 TSH 3.8 E2 17
SA 156 million 93% motility 3% morphology
**~PAIF/SAIF Always Welcome~**
Oh, I'm so very sorry to hear this.
As to your question, I guess a second opinion never hurts -- if nothing else it might make you feel better about your current course of action moving forward?
3/22 ER: 25R, 20M, 15F. 9 genetically normal, and 3 survived to Day 5
3/27 ET: transferred 1 embryo, beta 9dp5dt=163, 12dp5dt=639
4/25 1st ultrasound at 7 weeks = identical twins with heartbeats?!!!
I am so very sorry.
::hugs::
From our first to second IVF -- only thing we changed was taking a different trigger shot and we did ICSI which resulted in more embryos.
Wishing you tons of luck
TTC #2 since June '08
~*DD 10.21.07*~
dx unexplained
IUI #1-4 BFN
IVF#1 June 2011 BFN
IVF#2 Dec 2011
Beta#1 12/21 : 812 Beta#2 12/23 : 1634
EDD 8/25
*PAIFW/SAIFW*
I'm so sorry. When we first started going down the IVF path, my RE said to me (and I'm guessing these are stats based on their success rates) that 80% of couples will conceive within three IVF cycles - so that I should prepare that it could take up to 3+ rounds. I don't know how accurate that is in the real world outside of my clinic, but it makes me think there may be some truth to the comment about odds.
I'd probably get a 2nd opinion, just for my own piece of mind.
(((hugs)))
DX: 6/9/2011: Azoo ICSI/IVF only option for biological child
IVF #1: ER - 9/26 * ET - 10/1 * beta#1 10/13 - 140 * beta#2 10/17 - 477 * beta#3 10/20 - 1101
1st u/s at 6w6d - one hb * 2nd u/s at 8w3d - no hb detected 11/10/11 * natural m/c 11/13/11
FET #1 Jan/Feb 2012 - 3 delays - cancelled 2/13
FET #1.2 - May/June 2012 - ET 6/6/* beta#1 6/15 - 95 * beta #2 6/19 - 322 * beta #3 6/22 - 940
7/6 1st u/s @ 7 weeks - one beautiful hb - released from RE
EDD 2/22/2013
PAIF/SAIF/PGAL welcome
Oh Bee, I'm so sorry. I can see both sides to this, yes, there is some amount of "luck" involved for sure, I agree with the PP that said it's a really expensive trial and error process. I had very little hope for my own second cycle at the beginning as well too, because really if it didn't work the first time, why would it the second. The difference is that I felt confident in my RE and that he felt he knew me and my body better and indicated some things that made me a different responder than he expected and what he wanted to try and do the second time, so my RE really was my second opinion I guess. For this reason, I would suggest a second opinion before you decide anything. You have to feel good about the process and feel good about getting hopeful. It's entirely possible you're just not there yet, but if sounds like you're really not getting the answers from your RE that you want to even get you there so I would suggest at least talking to someone else.
((((hugs))))
I'm so sorry, B. ((BIG HUGS))
I wish your RE was able to give you more answers. I agree with the other ladies that 2nd opinion wouldn't hurt. ((MORE HUGS))Me: 32 - Stage II Endo / DH: 36 - Low count and morphology (1%)
IUIs 1-3 BFN, lap Dec. 2010, IUIs 4-6 BFN
IVF w/ICSI #1 - ER 2/8: 24R 19M 9F ET 2/13 2-5 day blasts (no frosties) = BFP - b/g twins!
E & C Born 10/19/2012
While I am devastated to see the official BFN I am really happy your are cycling again. I will send even more positive vibes, thoughts and prayers once you get started again.
In terms of doing the same protocol, it seems to make sense. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't get a 2nd opinion. I would get that 2nd opinion, if for nothing else just peace of mind then decide if you want to change anything or not.
Big hugs!
TTC since March/April 2010
DX: MFI - less than 1 million sperm, 26% motility
DH put on anastrozole to increase counts
June/July 2011 100 mg Clomid + TS IUI#1 & IUI 2 - BFN :-(
Forced break due to DH getting spinal surgery in August 2011
IVF - January 2012: BFN
FET in April 2012 - BFP at 6dp5dt! Beta #1 at 9dp5dt: 82.5, Beta #2 at 12dp5dt: 352 Beta #3 at 19dp5dt: 6000, saw heartbeat and one little bean at 5W6D!
After nearly 3 years of waiting our LO was born December 18th 2012!
Oh no, B! I am sooo sorry. I'm glad you were able to get in to the RE so quickly. I also agree that it is a numbers game - too bad we couldn't use our odds to hit the lottery!! I know this entire process is emotionally and financially draining but I would try a second opinion. It certainly wouldn't hurt.
I'm sending you huge hugs and thinking of you. Please let me know if you need anything from me.
Moving forward with Adoption 2017!
I am so sorry BeeBee. I do agree with OPs in that a second opinion never hurts. we ended up going with a different RE, at the same clinic, for IVF 3.
((Hugs))
HUGS, it's a $hit answer, but often it really is the case...how many times can u go thru it, waiting for ur lucky turn.
GL moving forward!
Currently pg with our 1st after 6.5 yrs of IF (thank you IVF)
My IF/Everything Blog
There's No Crying in Baseball
***My posts are always SAIFW**
Callan George and Bennett Charles born and died 11/7/10
FET #1 April 2011= BFN
FET #2 July 2011= no transfer because my lining sucked
FET #3 February 2012= BFP! 1st beta 9dp5dt=314 2nd beta 11dp5dt=977 1st U/S 3/20 Twins- Heart rates of 111 and 138
Living After Losing
Happily Wed DH in May 2010
June 2012: DD#1 born after countless fertility cycles, our 4 year old miracle
TTC #2: current cycle: 225iu Menopur for 4 weeks, Ovidrel Trigger= BFP! Beta #1; 333, Beta #2 713! 1st u/s showed TWINS (7/18)
I'm so sorry, Bee! We had a similar explanation from our RE after IVF#1 failed. He said that it's a numbers game and that we were just having "bad luck." It totally sucks hearing that. However, we did end up with better luck on round 2. Huge hugs!
Forever our's October 17th 2012
So sorry you're going through all of this again.
I think it's really tough to continually hear that things look great and still be an outlier while so many others get pregnant.
The only thing I could think of is the e.tegrity test to see if your lining attracts the embryos. I'm not sure how good is it, but we're thinking about having it done if our FET doesn't take, because that would mean 5 blasts lost and only c/p. It's not cheap, but what in IF world is?
Hopefully your luck will strike soon so you don't have to do this again. It's hard to be taken seriously when you're not having losses, although I know having a loss isn't an easy thing to go through either. The cards are stacked if you don't even have the opportunity to find out if you are at risk for miscarriage on top of the difficulty of getting pregnant.
Wishing you and your DH the best while you go through this difficult time.