Am i the only one ,.. please help!!

12guadalupe · April 2012

Hi Moms and Dads.. i had a quick question for anyone who has some knowledge or experience about the above topic.
I had to take the MMR before i even knew i was pregnant (found out 3 days later i was!) i looked up all the stuff on the internet about taking the live vaccine (mmr) during pregnancy and they all say it should be avoided in pregnancy and non pregnant woman may take it 28 days before getting pregnant ..There is no direct relation between autism and MMR vaccine!! why Autism in particular??
I had my 1st appointment with my Obgyn nurse.. she says she doesnt know if it would affect the baby!! wow!! she referred me to a high risk dr for early US and Blood test for triple markers..(not until 10 weeks) but i dont think that would detect Autism (it detects birth defects and downs syn/ neural tube defects- spinabif only)

I am soo pissed of at the doctor

who did not warn me about it or did not even ask me to confirm if i was/was not pregnant before i got it.

waiting to hear from other parents who have had kids before or know of friends who did have similar issues like mine. ... cant put my mind to rest..

I am sooo worried about my baby i am 5 weeks pregnant!

am happy and sad at the same time

help

Nericole · April 2012

Wow, that would be really scary!

Hopefully, since you're super early, it won't make any difference. I would imagine that sort of thing would be more of a concern later on when the brain is in a more progressive developmental stage. I'm no expert though.

The best thing would be to remain optimistic and enjoy your pregnancy. There's no need for worry until there's need, right? Which you'll discover soon, I hope.

If there ends up being any issues with your baby, you should probably seek a lawyer and take legal action. That's definitely what I would do!

billiencorey · April 2012

ill be praying!

-god bless ya

call a high risk OB, thats what they are there for. explain your situation and see if they cant get you in early.

i hope everything works out

fleursfish · April 2012

Nericole:
Wow, that would be really scary!
Hopefully, since you're super early, it won't make any difference. I would imagine that sort of thing would be more of a concern later on when the brain is in a more progressive developmental stage. I'm no expert though.
The best thing would be to remain optimistic and enjoy your pregnancy. There's no need for worry until there's need, right? Which you'll discover soon, I hope.
If there ends up being any issues with your baby, you should probably seek a lawyer and take legal action. That's definitely what I would do!

There's nothing to take legal action for. She got the shot before she knew she was pregnant. It was a mistake. There is no requirement for pregnancy tests before someone gets a simple vaccination. If she was trying to get pregnant, she should have checked up on this ahead of time. If she wasn't trying and it was a complete surprise, it's just an honest oops.

mama2boys · April 2012

The link between vaccines and autism is controversial, but there is no concrete evidence that states vaccines do/don't cause autism. Also, it's only if the child directly receives the vaccine, not if a woman receives it while pregnant. I think your biggest concern should be that the MMR contains the rubella virus (German measles) which CAN be very dangerous to your baby. I would definitely be in contact with a high-risk OB.

WaitingOnTwoPinkLines · April 2012

fleursfish:
Nericole:
Wow, that would be really scary!
Hopefully, since you're super early, it won't make any difference. I would imagine that sort of thing would be more of a concern later on when the brain is in a more progressive developmental stage. I'm no expert though.
The best thing would be to remain optimistic and enjoy your pregnancy. There's no need for worry until there's need, right? Which you'll discover soon, I hope.
If there ends up being any issues with your baby, you should probably seek a lawyer and take legal action. That's definitely what I would do!
There's nothing to take legal action for. She got the shot before she knew she was pregnant. It was a mistake. There is no requirement for pregnancy tests before someone gets a simple vaccination. If she was trying to get pregnant, she should have checked up on this ahead of time. If she wasn't trying and it was a complete surprise, it's just an honest oops.

First, holy emoticons.

Second, this. It was her responsibility to make a decision on whether to get vaccinated at that time. I always waited until after my period & before ovulation to get a flu vaccine, & would have TTA for a month if I'd had to get the MMR. If it was a surprise pregnancy, there was no way for ANYONE to know the risk - & even if they had done a pregnancy test, it likely would have been negative anyway.

There is nothing you can do at this point. See your doctor for regular prenatal care. I don't see any reason to waste time, money & resources going to a high-risk doctor at this point. I'm pretty sure the risks of MMR vaccines while pregnant are due to miscarriage, & occasionally genetic defects which likely wouldn't be evident until after delivery or possibly at the NT scan or anatomy scan.

You can't take the vaccine back, so just try to relax & take things as they come. & lay off the crazy emoticons, please.

fantine31 · April 2012

i agree w/ mama2boys regarding Autism. I work w/ children with Autism and know a bit about the diagnosis, though am not a psychologist. though it does get a lot of hype, there is not enough evidence to support the correlation. in addition, they would not be able to do a blood test to determine this.

i too would be concerned over possible effects, but I would not be concerned about Autism being a result. Sorry you are in a stressful situation! Talk w/ your doc and try to stay calm.

LalaApr65 · April 2012

This woman is scared and she's being flamed for showing too many emoticons? Nice show of support.

I totally understand your fear - and I agree the doc should have asked if you could possibly be pregnant. They would certainly ask if you were going to get an x-ray or prescribe any meds that could potentially harm a fetus.

Going to the MFM specialist is a good idea - so they can monitor your pregnancy closely. Don't worry about the autism issue - it's not correlated and as a poster said, the child would have to receive the vaccine directly if there were any damaging neurological effects.

MMR vaccine will not cause Down's Syndrome - that occurs at conception.

I know it's not easy, but try to relax. And be very careful about googling things - it can scare the living crap out of you! I understand though - you're doing your research. If you want reliable information, go to the American Medical Association's website and research there. And I am sure that the MFM specialist will be able to give you accurate, reliable information about the risks.

Hugs sweetie...

WaitingOnTwoPinkLines · April 2012

LalaApr65:
This woman is scared and she's being flamed for showing too many emoticons? Nice show of support.

Because when I'm scared out of my wits, emoticons are the first thing I reach for!

& really, I provided an answer to her question, too. It's not as if I replied only to bash her overuse of emoticons.

If you need THAT much support, go buy a bra.

12guadalupe · April 2012

WaitingOnTwoPinkLines:
fleursfish:
Nericole:
Wow, that would be really scary!
Hopefully, since you're super early, it won't make any difference. I would imagine that sort of thing would be more of a concern later on when the brain is in a more progressive developmental stage. I'm no expert though.
The best thing would be to remain optimistic and enjoy your pregnancy. There's no need for worry until there's need, right? Which you'll discover soon, I hope.
If there ends up being any issues with your baby, you should probably seek a lawyer and take legal action. That's definitely what I would do!
There's nothing to take legal action for. She got the shot before she knew she was pregnant. It was a mistake. There is no requirement for pregnancy tests before someone gets a simple vaccination. If she was trying to get pregnant, she should have checked up on this ahead of time. If she wasn't trying and it was a complete surprise, it's just an honest oops.
First, holy emoticons.
Second, this. It was her responsibility to make a decision on whether to get vaccinated at that time. I always waited until after my period & before ovulation to get a flu vaccine, & would have TTA for a month if I'd had to get the MMR. If it was a surprise pregnancy, there was no way for ANYONE to know the risk - & even if they had done a pregnancy test, it likely would have been negative anyway.
There is nothing you can do at this point. See your doctor for regular prenatal care. I don't see any reason to waste time, money & resources going to a high-risk doctor at this point. I'm pretty sure the risks of MMR vaccines while pregnant are due to miscarriage, & occasionally genetic defects which likely wouldn't be evident until after delivery or possibly at the NT scan or anatomy scan.
You can't take the vaccine back, so just try to relax & take things as they come. & lay off the crazy emoticons, please.

Let me clear one thing please, when a patient goes for a procedure , the health care provide "SHOULD" ask whether or not ( a young woman of child bearing age) is pregnant.. (if the procedure involves a risk to the fetus) just like when some one gets an X ray. Secondly doctors are suppose to tell their patient NOT TO get pregnant after taking an MMR for atleast 28days, my doctor did not nor did he warm me against taking it if i was / may be pregnant ( i was not aware MMR was contraindicated ) That means he was ignorant about the contraindication of the Live virus in pregnant woman. I could have taken the test if he told me so, because i found my self pregnant the very next day i took it, If some thing goes wrong i will sue him for sure. I am a health care professional myself , and i know the responsibility of a healthcare provider. Lastly i love emoticons. Thanks for writing.

12guadalupe · April 2012

Nericole:
Wow, that would be really scary!
Hopefully, since you're super early, it won't make any difference. I would imagine that sort of thing would be more of a concern later on when the brain is in a more progressive developmental stage. I'm no expert though.
The best thing would be to remain optimistic and enjoy your pregnancy. There's no need for worry until there's need, right? Which you'll discover soon, I hope.
If there ends up being any issues with your baby, you should probably seek a lawyer and take legal action. That's definitely what I would do!

Thanks a ton Nericole.. feel better already

12guadalupe · April 2012

billiencorey:
ill be praying!
-god bless ya
call a high risk OB, thats what they are there for. explain your situation and see if they cant get you in early.
i hope everything works out

Thank you very much Billie, hope u and your baby's doing fine

12guadalupe · April 2012

mama2boys:
The link between vaccines and autism is controversial, but there is no concrete evidence that states vaccines do/don't cause autism. Also, it's only if the child directly receives the vaccine, not if a woman receives it while pregnant. I think your biggest concern should be that the MMR contains the rubella virus (German measles) which CAN be very dangerous to your baby. I would definitely be in contact with a high-risk OB.

Yeah.. thats the reason why i am worried. I am going to wait and watch, please keep me in your prayers.

12guadalupe · April 2012

LalaApr65:
This woman is scared and she's being flamed for showing too many emoticons? Nice show of support.
I totally understand your fear - and I agree the doc should have asked if you could possibly be pregnant. They would certainly ask if you were going to get an x-ray or prescribe any meds that could potentially harm a fetus.
Going to the MFM specialist is a good idea - so they can monitor your pregnancy closely. Don't worry about the autism issue - it's not correlated and as a poster said, the child would have to receive the vaccine directly if there were any damaging neurological effects.
MMR vaccine will not cause Down's Syndrome - that occurs at conception.
I know it's not easy, but try to relax. And be very careful about googling things - it can scare the living crap out of you! I understand though - you're doing your research. If you want reliable information, go to the American Medical Association's website and research there. And I am sure that the MFM specialist will be able to give you accurate, reliable information about the risks.

Hugs sweetie...

Thanksssssss for writing OMG,, I really appreciate yours and the others answers here, (except for a few), OMG i feel you totally understood the intensity of my apprehension. You were also right about the googling stuff..Thanks for the website link btw .. take care :hugs:

12guadalupe · April 2012

WaitingOnTwoPinkLines:
LalaApr65:
This woman is scared and she's being flamed for showing too many emoticons? Nice show of support.
Because when I'm scared out of my wits, emoticons are the first thing I reach for!
& really, I provided an answer to her question, too. It's not as if I replied only to bash her overuse of emoticons.
If you need THAT much support, go buy a bra.

:hugs:

emikat · April 2012

Because the correlation is unknown, it's hard to know if this will have any effect at all regarding autism. I have a friend who's son is diagnosed with autism, so I've spent some time researching autism sites and some do recommend that women avoid all vaccines during pregnancy. But this is probably an overly cautious approach. I'm sorry you are dealing with this. Right now, I'd first breathe and take a moment to try and remain calm. You are very early, so the blood supply to the baby isn't fully formed yet. Also, try everything you can do to stay otherwise healthy during you pregnancy. Talking to a specialist might also be helpful. In terms of the vaccine itself, it's been done. I would try and not overly fret about it and do what you can to stay in good health and shape until the baby is born and hopefully s/he will be healthy!

aut31 · April 2012

Autism isn't even a possibility. I think the Rubella aspect of the shot is the most concerning. it can be very dangerous if a pregnant woman has it and the MMR has live virus. I'm sure everything will be fine and it is great that your OB didn't just blow it off!

DebateThis · April 2012

mama2boys:
The link between vaccines and autism is controversial, but there is no concrete evidence that states vaccines do/don't cause autism. Also, it's only if the child directly receives the vaccine, not if a woman receives it while pregnant. I think your biggest concern should be that the MMR contains the rubella virus (German measles) which CAN be very dangerous to your baby. I would definitely be in contact with a high-risk OB.

Um, no. The link between ANY vaccines and autism has been 100%, absolutely, unequivocally, roundly disproved. It's a patent lie. Totally false.

OP: You need to consult a maternal-fetal medicine specialist and you'll probably be monitored more closely. This is from the CDC. Please note the last paragraph (I bolded it) and try not to worry in the meantime.

Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR)

    Measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine and its component vaccines should not be administered to women known to be pregnant. Because a risk to the fetus from administration of these live virus vaccines cannot be excluded for theoretical reasons, women should be counseled to avoid becoming pregnant for 28 days after vaccination with measles or mumps vaccines or MMR or other rubella-containing vaccines. 7
    Because of the importance of protecting women of childbearing age against rubella and varicella, reasonable practices in any vaccination program include asking women if they are pregnant or might become pregnant in the next 4 weeks; not vaccinating women who state that they are or plan to become pregnant; explaining the theoretical risk for the fetus of MMR, varicella, or MMRV vaccine were administered to a woman who is pregnant; and counseling women who are vaccinated not to become pregnant during the 4 weeks after MMR, varicella, or MMRV vaccination. . . . Routine pregnancy testing of women of childbearing age before administering a live-virus vaccine is not recommended. If a pregnant woman is inadvertently vaccinated or becomes pregnant within 4 weeks after MMR or varicella vaccination, she should be counseled about the theoretical basis of concern for the fetus; however, MMR or varicella vaccination during pregnancy should not be considered a reason to terminate pregnancy. 5
    Rubella-susceptible women who are not vaccinated because they state they are or may be pregnant should be counseled about the potential risk for CRS and the importance of being vaccinated as soon as they are no longer pregnant. 8
    A registry of susceptible women vaccinated with rubella vaccine between 3 months before and 3 months after conception ? the "Vaccine in Pregnancy (VIP) Registry" ? was kept between 1971 and 1989. No evidence of CRS occurred in the offspring of the 226 women who received the current RA 27/3 rubella vaccine and continued their pregnancy to term. 8
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/preg-guide.htm#mmr

milesc · April 2012

WaitingOnTwoPinkLines:
LalaApr65:
This woman is scared and she's being flamed for showing too many emoticons? Nice show of support.
Because when I'm scared out of my wits, emoticons are the first thing I reach for!
& really, I provided an answer to her question, too. It's not as if I replied only to bash her overuse of emoticons.
If you need THAT much support, go buy a bra.

Lala- if you think someone being sarcastic, and saying 'Holy emotions' = flaming someone... I think you need to re-eval. She was just stating the obvious- OP did use alot! She didn't tease her or make fun of her in any other way. Way to blow that out of proportion

DebateThis · April 2012

milesc:
WaitingOnTwoPinkLines:
LalaApr65:
This woman is scared and she's being flamed for showing too many emoticons? Nice show of support.
Because when I'm scared out of my wits, emoticons are the first thing I reach for!
& really, I provided an answer to her question, too. It's not as if I replied only to bash her overuse of emoticons.
If you need THAT much support, go buy a bra.
Lala- if you think someone being sarcastic, and saying 'Holy emotions' = flaming someone... I think you need to re-eval. She was just stating the obvious- OP did use alot! She didn't tease her or make fun of her in any other way. Way to blow that out of proportion

Oh yeah, and ditto this too. That's not even close to a flaming.

Medic99 · April 2012

This is not to flame...but you being in the healthcare field should know better. If you are going to get a vaccine or a procedure done and you suspect you could be pregnant, then the fault lies on you. I work in the healthcare field too, and if there was any thought I could be pregnant then I refused treatment until I knew for sure. It is common sense. Yes your Dr should have asked, but you should have spoken up about the risk if you thought you could be pregnant. I hope that everything is well with your pregnancy and you/baby have no effects from the vaccine.

Andreaduffy281 · April 2012

https://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/index.html

Sorry posted from iPhone can't make sticky but the dr who made the Austin mmr claims was being paid by lawyers that wanted to sue the vaccine manufacture and has since lost his medical lisence! Talk to the high risk ob but stay away from google no one regulates the info shared on google and you could be reading someone's option and not fact...

DebateThis · April 2012

Joy2611:
12guadalupe:
WaitingOnTwoPinkLines:
fleursfish:
Nericole:
Wow, that would be really scary!
Hopefully, since you're super early, it won't make any difference. I would imagine that sort of thing would be more of a concern later on when the brain is in a more progressive developmental stage. I'm no expert though.
The best thing would be to remain optimistic and enjoy your pregnancy. There's no need for worry until there's need, right? Which you'll discover soon, I hope.
If there ends up being any issues with your baby, you should probably seek a lawyer and take legal action. That's definitely what I would do!
There's nothing to take legal action for. She got the shot before she knew she was pregnant. It was a mistake. There is no requirement for pregnancy tests before someone gets a simple vaccination. If she was trying to get pregnant, she should have checked up on this ahead of time. If she wasn't trying and it was a complete surprise, it's just an honest oops.
First, holy emoticons.
Second, this. It was her responsibility to make a decision on whether to get vaccinated at that time. I always waited until after my period & before ovulation to get a flu vaccine, & would have TTA for a month if I'd had to get the MMR. If it was a surprise pregnancy, there was no way for ANYONE to know the risk - & even if they had done a pregnancy test, it likely would have been negative anyway.
There is nothing you can do at this point. See your doctor for regular prenatal care. I don't see any reason to waste time, money & resources going to a high-risk doctor at this point. I'm pretty sure the risks of MMR vaccines while pregnant are due to miscarriage, & occasionally genetic defects which likely wouldn't be evident until after delivery or possibly at the NT scan or anatomy scan.
You can't take the vaccine back, so just try to relax & take things as they come. & lay off the crazy emoticons, please.

Let me clear one thing please, when a patient goes for a procedure , the health care provide "SHOULD" ask whether or not ( a young woman of child bearing age) is pregnant.. (if the procedure involves a risk to the fetus) just like when some one gets an X ray. Secondly doctors are suppose to tell their patient NOT TO get pregnant after taking an MMR for atleast 28days, my doctor did not nor did he warm me against taking it if i was / may be pregnant ( i was not aware MMR was contraindicated ) That means he was ignorant about the contraindication of the Live virus in pregnant woman. I could have taken the test if he told me so, because i found my self pregnant the very next day i took it, If some thing goes wrong i will sue him for sure. I am a health care professional myself , and i know the responsibility of a healthcare provider. Lastly i love emoticons. Thanks for writing.

You work in the healthcare field. You know that you should not have the MMR vaccine when pregnant. You knew you could be pregnant since you took a pregnancy test the very next day. Yet, it's the doctor who is 100% at fault here?
I'm not saying that you don't have a point, but I think you bear some of the responsibility. If you come back and say "Oh, I didn't know all this before I took the vaccine" or some back pedaling, I'm going to be very suspicious. You can't have it both ways.
Best of luck to you and your baby.

Good point. It also concerns me that someone "in the medical field" still thinks vaccines cause autism, too. Not real sure how that works.

SummerOH · April 2012

With all due respect, you got the vaccine before even you yourself knew you were pregnant. But I do agree that the nurse or doctor should have asked because it probably would've triggered a conversation that you were TTC. I think you will be fine. The risk is "theoretical." The reason it mentions autism specifically is because some dope latched on to that theory, which has been concretely, soundly disproven, ten years ago and twit celebs like Jenny McCarthy picked up on it. Very recent studies have found that obesity and/or gaining too much weight during pregnancy leads to a 70% increase in chances of autism (which I find funny b/c Twitty McCarthy was 211 pounds when she gave birth yet she blames vaccinations not her extreme weight gain). I know I've said this a million times in posts but if we avoided every theoretical risk we'd have to lock ourselves in our homes for 9 months. I think you will be just fine. Once you see your body and baby hitting the regular pregnancy milestones I think you will feel better.

firewife1982 · April 2012

Whoa, there... Are you an expert in this field? I have heard many contradicting conclusions on this topic and would not profess to be an expert or have the "final" answer unless I was extremely well informed on the subject.

https://vran.org/in-the-news/infant-monkeys-given-standard-doses-of-vaccines-develop-autism-symptoms/

Lay off the poor girl people! She's not some sue happy person... She just wants to have a healthy baby and wishes her dr had asked her if there was a possibility she was pregnant. It's not that unreasonable.

SummerOH · April 2012

With all due respect, have some common sense. The vaccines given today are those that have been routinely received by all children for decades - like back to our parents and before - yet autism has just recently begun to increase. These vaccines have largely, if not completely, eradicated their respective diseases in this country. I know most people don't realize what awful, deadly, dangerous diseases some of them are, but they are pretty bad. People choosing NOT to vaccinate their kids based on some bunk study that has been soundly proven wrong time and time again (and yes, the license was jerked as a PP has said) is pretty dangerous to our societal health as a whole.

EDIT: This was meant for this comment "Whoa, there... Are you an expert in this field? I have heard many contradicting conclusions on this topic and would not profess to be an expert or have the "final" answer unless I was extremely well informed on the subject."

firewife1982 · April 2012

Well, I certainly take your post more seriously knowing you have some background to support your statement, but I think the profanity was completely out of place and uncouth, particularly for someone of your education level. I'm sure you can understand that there is a lot of conflicting information online and in the news pertaining to this subject, so it's not unreasonable for a layman to have doubts about what is safe for their child, despite trying to be informed. Yes, the person posting this question should have asked her dr, especially since the fact that she was not overdue on her period and was taking a pregnancy test indicates she may have been trying to conceive. Agreed, it's a two way street.

WaitingOnTwoPinkLines · April 2012

OK, people. Let's learn to use the quote function, please. It's that little blue text down on the bottom right of the posts that says, "Quote". Please click THAT instead of reply, so we know who you are talking to/about. Thanks.

SummerOH:
With all due respect, have some common sense. The vaccines given today are those that have been routinely received by all children for decades - like back to our parents and before - yet autism has just recently begun to increase.

Autism has recently "begun to increase" because it is being recognized more, not necessarily because it is present more. My half-brother is in his 30s & spent most of his life labelled as "severely mentally retarded" when he is in fact, severely autistic. Autism spectrum disorders span the gamut from the profoundly autistic to the high-functioning Autistic & those with Asperger's. Because of the wide range & severity of symptoms, it can be misdiagnosed or undiagnosed very easily. It is in recent years that autism has become a more well-known diagnosis, with firmer criteria for making the diagnosis.

Remember, kids, correlation =/= causation.

ETA: This is an expansion on the quoted text, not a rebuttal, in case that isn't clear.

firewife1982 · April 2012

Joy2611:
firewife1982:
Well, I certainly take your post more seriously knowing you have some background to support your statement, but I think the profanity was completely out of place and uncouth, particularly for someone of your education level. I'm sure you can understand that there is a lot of conflicting information online and in the news pertaining to this subject, so it's not unreasonable for a layman to have doubts about what is safe for their child, despite trying to be informed. Yes, the person posting this question should have asked her dr, especially since the fact that she was not overdue on her period and was taking a pregnancy test indicates she may have been trying to conceive. Agreed, it's a two way street.

I don't know if this is directed at me, but I did not use profanity anywhere in my posts. I understand that it's hard to know what is true and what is not. I would love to help on that front in the future. Reading these boards lets me see just how much misinformation is being spread around in this world.

Sorry, Joy - I was referring to "Lois Lane's" original post which I felt was very rude. It shouldn't surprise me anymore but it still does... how rude people are to total strangers. Thanks for your post and the information.

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