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October 2012 Moms
If you don't agree with gay marriage...
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Re: If you don't agree with gay marriage...
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I'm not generally a "Libertarian," but I suppose I am on these two issues--I feel the same way about gay marriage that I feel about abortion:
If you don't believe in gay marriage, don't have a gay marriage.
If you don't believe in abortion, don't have an abortion.
But DO NOT tell me who I can or can't marry and what I can and can't do with my body and my future. If you want to separate "marriage" from "civil unions" so that you take the church out of it completely, that's fine with me. Let churches decide who they want to allow to marry "in God's presence," but the government should allow people to have the same rights and privileges and should not be discriminating based on sexual orientation.
And on the Constitutional argument, the first amendment says this regarding religion:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
This means that the government is not allowed to establish a religion or prevent people from exercising their own religion. If a religion allows gay marriage, then by preventing people from having gay marriages, the government is not allowing people to freely exercise their religion and this is a 1st Amendment violation.
Edit: for grammar!
"Alright, look, penish shmenis, we're all people!"
5 points to whoever knows who said it
I know it's from Friends!
ATM the only non religious reason i can thing of would be well what my hubs always says (hes anti im pro i try not to talk about it it can get pretty heated haha) but hes a homophobe.. hes not litterly "scared" of gay ppl.. im pretty sure he just sees it as gross. hes went as far as say he would disown his child if they turned out gay... which i believe. he has an uncle that did that to his son.. so not right.. but whatever..
i believe that all ppl should be able to be miserable in marriage
sh!t straight ppl cant seem to say married might as well let gays take a stab at it!
(ohh and "miserable" is scarcasim)
I could just hug you for this!
Hi Everyone,
I don't post much, but I'm a strong supporter of gay marriage and I wanted to share something written by Fiona Apple on the subject.
"All I know is I want my friends to be good people, and when my friends fall in love, I want them to fall in love with other good people. How can you go wrong with two people in love? If a good boy loves a good girl, good. If a good boy loves another good boy, good. And if a good girl loves the goodness in good boys and good girls, then all you have is more goodness, and goodness has nothing to do with sexual orientation. A person who loves is a righteous person, and if someone has the ability and desire to show love to another - to someone willing to receive it, then for goodness sake, let them do it. Hate has no place in the equation; there is no function for it to perform. Love is love and there will never be too much."
Not to comment on your home life, you live that however you want too. I just wanted to point out the fact science had indeed supported the notion that people that are homophobic or afraid of gays are more likely to be aroused by the same sex. So in short homophobia is usually there because the person has homophobic tendencies that they are repressing.
This is the name of an article that has tested and supported this, and if you just do a search on google scholar you will find lots more, and some more recent study.
Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?
Love this!!!
And PS, your LO is ADORABLE!
COULD. NOT. LOVE. THIS. MORE!!!!!!!
This is how I feel, too. I believe in love, not just straight love.
Thank you!! I've been craving the watermelon beer they serve at the Yardhouse!! And also being from MA I understand the Yuengling...I love it too! As if this isn't bad enough, Monday I get home from work only to have a late arriving wedding gift come in the mail. We got a kegerator! Soon enough I'll make it mine!! Soon enough!
Being from MA I forget that other states still don't allow gay marriage. What if women could no longer vote, would that be ok? Or if minorities had to send their kids to seperate schools? This is not a religious choice, it is one for the government. I am Pro gay marriage and have attended some beautiful weddings for gay friends. Everyone deserves the right to their happily ever after!
:: Stands and applauds!!!!!! ::
I am a complete supporter of same-sex marriages and I am proud to be Canadian as our Civil Marriage Act legally recognizes same-sex marriages in all provinces and territories!
I like you
There are tons of things that are not 'natural' in biology that we accept as still being normal variants and we do not discriminate based on. Identical twins (fluke of embryonic development), infertility (inability to reproduce as 'nature intends'), red hair (it's a protein mutation). We do not disallow these people certain rights because they are born different or do not make biological sense and/or are 'flukes' in nature. Homosexuality is a natural variant, just like the aforementioned. It's not a defect.
I just wanted to say that I love you for all of this. You described my own beliefs perfectly!
I saw this documentary at a film festival a few years ago. It is amazing. I also highly recommend it, especially for people who use the religious argument against gay marriage.
I usually skim posts that go directly into discussing the bible, but I read yours word for word... I love the way you think.
I live in Canada so it's not even an issue up here. But I'm totally fine with gay marriage. Even if you are against it, who are you to tell others what to do? I get confused as to why this is even an issue as a man marrying a man, or a woman marrying a woman, has no direct effect on your life. Everyone has the right to happiness and every American (or Canadian or whatever) should have this right. I just don't understand the whole imposing my religious beliefs on others thing. Believe what you want, but don't force it on others. (BTW, "you" isn't referring to anyone specific.)
I can't even read this I will get so mad.
If you're against gay marriage, you judge. You are voting SPECIFICALLY prohibit someone from doing what you yourself have the right to do for the only reason that you yourself have decided (or were told to think) it's wrong. That's it.
It's cut and paste bible reading. It also says not to cut your hair, not to eat lobster, etc. etc.
Why the eff does anyone care what anyone else does? How does someone else being gay and in love affect your life in ANY WAY?
Separation of church and state much?
Do you actually know any gay couples who are married?
Bigots. Trust me, you will all look like a$$holes in 50 years when the supreme court makes it legal nationally.
Have you tried Non-Alcoholic?
My BF's congrats present to me was a 6 pack of O'douls.
I have a real problem with people saying that they are against gay marriage because it is in the Bible. Frankly, let's think about this for a moment. Who wrote the bible? Men. Not, God. And there was even a group of men who decided what would and would not be put in the bible. Is anyone familiar with the dead sea scrolls? These were scriptures that a council decided not to put in the Bible because they didn't like what it said. Furthermore, the Bible we are most familiar with is the one associated with the Church of England, which came about because Henry VIII wanted a divorce and the Church wouldn't let him. So what did he do? He created his own church and his own Bible. The NRSV (New Revised Standard Version) was created from that Bible. It is my belief that the Bible is essentially a nice set of moral stories that need to be read carefully and taken with a grain of salt because the books were not written by God, they were written by MAN and we all know that man is not above following his own agenda.
By the way, I am a New England Congregationalist, an active member of outdoor ministry, and a member of the United Church of Christ and a member of a church that is open and affirming.
also as a PP said above the "not natural" argument is moot- it does happen in nature.
You know what doesn't happen in nature? Religion.
hi FIVE! my nana is a member of a UCC church. she rules. love them.
For a lot of people, marriage equality is this abstract concept, making it easier to oppose. "Other" people are gay, it doesn't affect them personally. If it were personal for them, they may feel different. I think about my gay brother growing old with someone and not being able to make end of life decisions for his partner or losing custody of a child to his partner's family should the partner die, or some other such scenario that straight married couples take for granted, and IT BREAKS MY HEART.
And for the PP (not going all the way back to find it) who referred to homosexuality as a LIFESTYLE, let me assure you it is not. It's not like being a hipster or a yuppy. It's not something you choose to do. My brother is eight years younger than me. I always knew he was gay, I witnessed it from the very beginning. Like he always says to people, "Why in the world would I choose this?"
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Agreed. However you CAN find religious people FOR gay marriage because some of them allow themselves to make their own decisions despite popular interpretations from the bible or other religious books.
She works in NY, that's where she got it. She lives right on the NY/CT boarder.
I have to say, as the adopted daughter of a lesbian couple, I was really afraid to read this thread. I'm a fervent supporter of my parents' right to marry and share the same benefits as straight couples. Fortunately, we live in a state where this is now legal and I swear to you, I sobbed when the law finally passed. Since I obviously take this issue so personally, I just want to thank you all for being so respectful in your responses.
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