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October 2012 Moms
If you don't agree with gay marriage...
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Re: If you don't agree with gay marriage...
My brother is gay and if he chooses to get married it is what it is.... I am a Christian and know it as a sin, but the sin of homosexuality is same as my sin when I have a judgmental thought or go 2 MPH over the speeding limit. All sin is equal and I think most extremist's seem to forget their own sin and that having judgmental thoughts of others is an internal sin against themselves.
If a person is a homosexual and is a Christian then they are held accountable in God's eyes for all of their sins, just as I am. When Christians hold up anti-gay banners at a gay rally they are sinning in there action and will be held accountable, however the homosexuals at the event who are not even Christian are NOT being held accountable for their actions because if a person has not accepted Christ then they are not held to those laws....
I really like the way you worded this! You are right. OP, I agree with this!
No, not at all. I am not going to argue either way. I am genuinely curious as to why anyone would care about something that didn't directly effect them. It's something I will never understand, but I am curious as to why people think the way they do.
I couldnt agree more. It is not our job to judge anyone. If I had to vote on the issue, I would probably vote note just because I dont agree with it, but I would never judge anyone.
I couldnt agree more. It is not our job to judge anyone. If I had to vote on the issue, I would probably vote no just because I dont agree with it, but I would never judge anyone.
I couldnt agree more. It is not our job to judge anyone. If I had to vote on the issue, I would probably vote no just because I dont agree with it, but I would never judge anyone.
ChristyML
Thanks LOL I was thinking I was going to get blacklisted from here bc of that post :-) I'm cool with liberals, two of my close friends are SUPER liberal and I constantly joke around that they are hippies, they get a kick out of it
I don't know if you've heard the saying "speak the truth even if your voice shakes" or not, but I couldn't say anything out loud, just because I tend to stutter a lot when I get passionate or try to make sure I'm saying everything correctly, and when that happens, people usually don't get what I'm trying to say, and then they just ignore me. And then I think too fast to even think about what I'm actually saying.
I love that you have "hippie" friends that are so chill about it lol!
All Love is Good Love - this is how it is in our house
You just asked why...
That's what I should have put in my original post. While I don't agree with the 'sin' argument against gay marriage, I get it.
Don't Hassle the Hoff,
Sorry, OT, but I love your "countdown to beer".
No, that was the OP. I'm asking for someone to provide a non-religious reason to be against gay marriage.
THANK you.
I love this Karnbaby!
In my world there isn't a "non-religious" reason to be against gay marriage. I believe that people are entitled to the same rights and benefits regardless of sexual orientation. I believe that same sex couples should be entitled to the same rights and benefits as my husband and I, however, as a religious person, I do believe that marriage is sacred. I'm not anti-gay marriage because I think that same sex couples are less important, or more wrong, or more sinful, or whatever, I'm anti-gay marriage because marriage is an institution that I have beliefs in and respects for, and as an institution, I think it has certain guidelines.
Are you asking for like a medical reason? I know there aren't any that are any worse than straight marriage. That's a good question PolishWonder. If I wasn't religious, I am 99% sure I'd be absolutely for it.
It's so bad and makes me sound like a fuckking alcoholic, but the only thing I've had a craving for this entire pregnancy has been beer. About a week before we found out, a friend of mine who lives in CT and was coming to visit the following week, called me and asked if I wanted her to grab me a case of Yuengling before she came up. Of course. I found out I was pregnant the day before she came up. Now I have a GD case of Yuengling mocking me every time I go into my basement. (and yes, I realize that Yuengling is a cheap beer, but it's an amazing chep beer that we can't get in Massachusetts so it's like some foreign delicacy to me.)
See, this is the point I'm trying to make. People say they are anti-gay marriage because their religion and a book tell them to be that way. There are almost no other arguments against gay marriage than the religious one. I have a lot of respect for people who identify as religious but can think for themselves on social issues.
LMAO, whenever my friend would go home to Pittsburgh, it was like a Yuengling truck would come back with him. Yum!!
I was raised to believe all the anti-gay hype; gays are evil, gays are pediphiles, gays are destroying the sanctity of marriage, etc., etc., etc.
Well, the reality is, those three things are true, but no more so for gays then straights, or anyone else for that matter! So playing devil's advocate, I suppose the "non-religious" arguments against could use any of those; one more would be the spread of STDs.
But, as I've seen reality in my adult life, I know some super-promiscuos gay people. But guess what, I know even MORE straight people like that.
How often in the news is there some straight man/woman going after young impressionable students.
STDs: because obviously no straight people have these!
Sex should only be for pro-creation: um, what about straight people who can't have kids? Are they not supposed to have sex at all then?
Gays destroy the meaning of marriage: and yes, all these straight people jumping into marriages, then divorcing shortly after aren't contributing to this at all!
And u/o: I am a Christ believer (I don't like the term "Christian), and I believe we DO have the right and ability to judge. I believe people mix this up, because they don't finish the thought, that if we judge, we'll be judged by the same standards. So yes, we CAN judge, just judge yourself by the same standards!
KellyFM522
I would suggest you read the bible and find your own application. You cannot just read what other people say about the Word and act on it. Humans make mistakes in interpretation which leads to not always the correct application. I would suggest you take the time to read the bible and make your own opinions :-)
After 7 years of no ovulation...
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Nailed it.
This. I don't agree with it personally. But it will boil down to a civil rights issue.
I'm not sure you'll find non-religious people that are against it, so my guess is that you won't find any. This isn't meant to be snarky to anyone, it's just what I've observed... maybe someone out there will prove me wrong though.
See, my issue with the whole anti-gay marriage thing is that every reason is religous. There is a thing called "seperation of church and state." This means your religon stays out of the government which then means it should have no bearing on whether or not someone should legally be able to marry another person of the same sex.
I'm not trying to argue with PPs but it makes me so angry that people are being denied one of the most basic civil rights because their God doesn't like it.
Gay marriage is a civil rights issue. Period. If marriage is recognized by the government, it should be recognized for the whole population.
Hiding behind your religion to deny part of the population equal rights is reprehensible. I completely support individual religions having the right and ability to not marry same sex couples, but to ban it in our countries consitution is completely and utterly wrong.
Exactly, SIN is SIN is SIN. there is no scale of not-so-bad sin vs a terrible sin, its all the same. I am a sinner too. I went to church all my life and grew up in a christian school and i became friends with a very nice guy who today is gay and married to his husband (ironically a product of the church). I LOVE this friend and im so happy that he has found love. i could never look at him and say that he doesn't deserve love or the benefits of marriage just because he is gay....
With that said the only NON religious reason i can come up with against gay marriage is as simple as our bodies and biology. Men and women seem to be made for one another based on the way our bodies are shaped and they way they function. a heterosexual relationship seems to make "sense" in the grand scheme of things. we see the same in most species of animals as well (with some exceptions of course
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So really im NOT against gay marriage and i do not look down on those who live that lifestyle especially since I've been exposed to some amazing gay friends. But for some reason I am still hesitant to justify it at this point in time.
With that said the only NON religious reason i can come up with against gay marriage is as simple as our bodies and biology. Men and women seem to be made for one another based on the way our bodies are shaped and they way they function. a heterosexual relationship seems to make "sense" in the grand scheme of things. we see the same in most species of animals as well (with some exceptions of course
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Thank you for providing a non religious reason! That one could be based on biological beliefs. ::gives jenna a gold star::
I think you just said what I was trying to figure out how to say.
THIS!
My brother is gay and he and his partner have been together for 15 yrs. They love eachother and who am I or anyone else to judge them for who they love.
I could not care less if they want to get married or if they don't. It's not my business and I would be happy for them just as I am for anyone else that wants to spend their lives together.
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Here's the thing about the religious argument. To me, if certain religious groups are against gay marriage, then they have the right to not perform those types of marriages in their churches, synagogues, etc. Fine by me, and I'm sure fine by gay men and women who are not accepted there anyway. They are private institutions and they can do what they want. But if we are talking about marriage as in you are married in the eyes of the law and the state, then everyone needs to get the chance. Yes, marriage was once a religious institution. But now it's more than that. The definition can be changed for the states and not for a religious group. Just because gay people (and guess what, atheists too!) can get married does not make it any less of a religious experience for you.
So while I get that some people on here think it is a sin, I don't think that belief should actually have any bearing on whether you think CIVILLY gay men and women should be allowed to get married.
ETA: Also, I just have to add that separation of church and state is an American ideal, but not a constitutionally protected one. It's not in the constitution at all. (I wish it was!) Just so we don't get into that argument.
My opinion is the right to marry is a civil right and similarly to women previously not being able to vote because of their gender, people should be allow to marry whomever they choose regardless of their gender or their partner's gender.