Know it all posts annoy me- esp. this one... c&p

lanie30 · February 2012

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chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

When you're so against what someone fundamentally stands for it's kind of hard to look past that.I know that he stands for more than just his method of CIO, but the "ferber method" is his claim to fame for sure.

It kind of reminds me of a post from another board yesterday that was complimentary of hilter's intelligence. Everyone else went on about how he was a monster and they couldnt compliment anything about him because he was a monster and they were so against him. Now I'm not trying to draw comparisons from hitler to ferber, but if you're someone in your heart that believes that it's best for babies to not be left to CIO it's hard to think to pick up his book to take any other advice the man gives (albeit beneficial) seriously.

I read weissbluth's book. Early on, there was a scenario he described of a couple he helped that had a young infant he recommended extinction method CIO to. I was so appalled after that I had a difficult time getting through the rest of the book.

people are biased creatures. It's hard not to be.

you did just compare hitler to Ferber. His crying method is not his claim to
Fame. It is 3 pages out of thousands he has written. He has stated how upset he becomes when people associate him with these 3 pages and not his good work. It's no mien kempf. Which btw was no journal about puppies with only 2 pages of hate. But you do prove my point as beautifully as you do

Ignorantly. Hitler was evil. He was hate. Ferber wrote a helpful book about sleep that has been beneficial right through to age 4. You honestly chose hitler as a comparative?

Wow, that went way over your head.

I compared Ferber to a CONVERSATION yesterday that happened to be about Hilter. The point was it is difficult for people to be able to open their mind to anything positive in something they fundamentally disagree with. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Just that I get why people bash Ferber with little knowledge of everything hes about.

I don't personally have a problem with CIO unless it is used improperly. I don't think he's the devil or anything. I just get why people are adamently opposed to him. It might have only been three pages of work, but those 3 pages rubbed many the wrong way. The "ferber method" is fiercely popular and deeply loved/hated. It IS his claim to fame.

ohhhh, sure just a comparison to hitler related conversation. My bad. However did I misunderstand such an articulate informed and intelligent comment? You can be adamantly opposed to three pages of his book, but not "him" or his expertise and writings entirely. That would simply be dumb. I can however be adamantly opposed to pure evil, like, hitler. See the difference?

Let's try this again. Say scott peterson writes a book. 3 pages are about killing his pregnant wife. The other 250 are amazing advice on parenting. Hard to want to read his book and take his advice seriously, no?

I KNOW CIO isn't as bad as killing someone (nor do I think its bad, unless its mentioned under 4 months). That's not the point. Are you getting it yet though?

I'm thinking there actually just may be something wrong with you. So I'm going to stop arguing because I don't think you have all your... marbles.

lanie30 · February 2012

EllaHella:

::rubs eyes::

Did we just compare Dr. Ferber to Scott Petersen?

::swigs coffee::

Hitler and THEN Scott Peterson. LIke if they wrote parenting books.

Nah after KC_13's rants against the poor I need to stop engaging. The elevator does not go all the way to the top with that one. Clearly.

boogerbearoriginal · February 2012

This post made me actually want to read Ferber because now I'm genuinely curious. As someone who is admittedly ignorant of his work I will say that his name has become synonymous with CIO, whether that's accurate or not.

The OP link I found lengthy and a bit AWish because it came across like she had it all figured out. Although I don't think that was her intent.

However, I don't think anyone ever has it all figured out. Nor do I think any one expert person - Sears, Ferber, etc. - has all the answers but on various boards people certainly act like their expert of choice is the only one. And that is quite annoying.

kcisthebombdotcom · February 2012

lanie30:
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chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

When you're so against what someone fundamentally stands for it's kind of hard to look past that.I know that he stands for more than just his method of CIO, but the "ferber method" is his claim to fame for sure.

It kind of reminds me of a post from another board yesterday that was complimentary of hilter's intelligence. Everyone else went on about how he was a monster and they couldnt compliment anything about him because he was a monster and they were so against him. Now I'm not trying to draw comparisons from hitler to ferber, but if you're someone in your heart that believes that it's best for babies to not be left to CIO it's hard to think to pick up his book to take any other advice the man gives (albeit beneficial) seriously.

I read weissbluth's book. Early on, there was a scenario he described of a couple he helped that had a young infant he recommended extinction method CIO to. I was so appalled after that I had a difficult time getting through the rest of the book.

people are biased creatures. It's hard not to be.

you did just compare hitler to Ferber. His crying method is not his claim to
Fame. It is 3 pages out of thousands he has written. He has stated how upset he becomes when people associate him with these 3 pages and not his good work. It's no mien kempf. Which btw was no journal about puppies with only 2 pages of hate. But you do prove my point as beautifully as you do

Ignorantly. Hitler was evil. He was hate. Ferber wrote a helpful book about sleep that has been beneficial right through to age 4. You honestly chose hitler as a comparative?

Wow, that went way over your head.

I compared Ferber to a CONVERSATION yesterday that happened to be about Hilter. The point was it is difficult for people to be able to open their mind to anything positive in something they fundamentally disagree with. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Just that I get why people bash Ferber with little knowledge of everything hes about.

I don't personally have a problem with CIO unless it is used improperly. I don't think he's the devil or anything. I just get why people are adamently opposed to him. It might have only been three pages of work, but those 3 pages rubbed many the wrong way. The "ferber method" is fiercely popular and deeply loved/hated. It IS his claim to fame.

ohhhh, sure just a comparison to hitler related conversation. My bad. However did I misunderstand such an articulate informed and intelligent comment? You can be adamantly opposed to three pages of his book, but not "him" or his expertise and writings entirely. That would simply be dumb. I can however be adamantly opposed to pure evil, like, hitler. See the difference?

Let's try this again. Say scott peterson writes a book. 3 pages are about killing his pregnant wife. The other 250 are amazing advice on parenting. Hard to want to read his book and take his advice seriously, no?

I KNOW CIO isn't as bad as killing someone (nor do I think its bad, unless its mentioned under 4 months). That's not the point. Are you getting it yet though?

I'm thinking there actually just may be something wrong with you. So I'm going to stop arguing because I don't think you have all your... marbles.

Good lord, that post regarding poverty was a long time ago and you STILL remember? Someone needs to step away from the computer...

kcisthebombdotcom · February 2012

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lanie30:
KC_13:
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lanie30:

chrismo1013:
Oh God. That post is so obnoxious. The Ferber part really annoyed me the most. Probably because everyone thinks that he is the only answer to their sleep problems. Annoying.

He probably is. For those who read the book precious little is about crying. I used an approach recently for Jo's nightmares. Great advice on sleep.

I love love love that no one on this forum reads one page of the book but has condemned the man (a pediatric sleep expert) as a jerk who hates babies and IGNORANT!

Please. Go read.

When you're so against what someone fundamentally stands for it's kind of hard to look past that.I know that he stands for more than just his method of CIO, but the "ferber method" is his claim to fame for sure.

It kind of reminds me of a post from another board yesterday that was complimentary of hilter's intelligence. Everyone else went on about how he was a monster and they couldnt compliment anything about him because he was a monster and they were so against him. Now I'm not trying to draw comparisons from hitler to ferber, but if you're someone in your heart that believes that it's best for babies to not be left to CIO it's hard to think to pick up his book to take any other advice the man gives (albeit beneficial) seriously.

I read weissbluth's book. Early on, there was a scenario he described of a couple he helped that had a young infant he recommended extinction method CIO to. I was so appalled after that I had a difficult time getting through the rest of the book.

people are biased creatures. It's hard not to be.

you did just compare hitler to Ferber. His crying method is not his claim to
Fame. It is 3 pages out of thousands he has written. He has stated how upset he becomes when people associate him with these 3 pages and not his good work. It's no mien kempf. Which btw was no journal about puppies with only 2 pages of hate. But you do prove my point as beautifully as you do

Ignorantly. Hitler was evil. He was hate. Ferber wrote a helpful book about sleep that has been beneficial right through to age 4. You honestly chose hitler as a comparative?

Wow, that went way over your head.

I compared Ferber to a CONVERSATION yesterday that happened to be about Hilter. The point was it is difficult for people to be able to open their mind to anything positive in something they fundamentally disagree with. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Just that I get why people bash Ferber with little knowledge of everything hes about.

I don't personally have a problem with CIO unless it is used improperly. I don't think he's the devil or anything. I just get why people are adamently opposed to him. It might have only been three pages of work, but those 3 pages rubbed many the wrong way. The "ferber method" is fiercely popular and deeply loved/hated. It IS his claim to fame.

ohhhh, sure just a comparison to hitler related conversation. My bad. However did I misunderstand such an articulate informed and intelligent comment? You can be adamantly opposed to three pages of his book, but not "him" or his expertise and writings entirely. That would simply be dumb. I can however be adamantly opposed to pure evil, like, hitler. See the difference?

Let's try this again. Say scott peterson writes a book. 3 pages are about killing his pregnant wife. The other 250 are amazing advice on parenting. Hard to want to read his book and take his advice seriously, no?

I KNOW CIO isn't as bad as killing someone (nor do I think its bad, unless its mentioned under 4 months). That's not the point. Are you getting it yet though?

Good lord, woman! Just STOP! Ferber's book is not evil, for chriissake! I am not a fan of any CIO before age 1 and am adamantly opposed before 4 months (and 6 preferably), but the book and the doctor are not evil so just stop making ridiculous comparisons!

I never said ferber's book was evil! My point is if someone has a deep rooted belief against something (in Ferber's case, CIO as many think that it is harmful to babies), it is difficult to take anything else the person says seriously, as well informed and as well meaning as that advice may be. It's difficult to open your mind to someone when what they believe is against your own beliefs.

I give up. Clearly my point has been completely missed and twisted into something else that I'm not saying AT ALL.

Why are people "fundamentally opposed" to Hitler and Scott Peterson? Because they're motherfukcing EVIL. You MIGHT have made your point if you'd tried the analogy of people who can't stand certain dichotomous political figures (Clinton, GWB, Obama), but there's nothing dichotomous about Hitler or Scott Peterson. And it's pretty pathetic that I am actually explaining this.

True, my analogy wasnt the best, I'll give you that. I used an extreme example to try to illustrate a point that everyone missed due to said extreme example. The reasons why they are disliked vary and are clearly far less extreme in Ferber's case. You do get where I was trying to go with this, correct? If people think CIO is truly harmful to their baby, why are they going to want to take the advice of someone who promotes that?

ETA-people turn on their blinders when the word hitler is mentioned. I turned my blinders on to weissbluth while reading his book because he promoted extinction CIO to a very young infant and I think that is harmful. I just get why the blinders go on for Ferber, too.

tokenhoser · February 2012

If everyone that reads you post, including those who mostly agree with you, "misses your point" perhaps it's time to admit you didn't make the point you were aiming for.

I've read a lot of perspectives on babies and on sleep. I found Ferber at least had something useful to offer, while Sears didn't. Pantley was pretty good, too, and much more resonable than Sears. I don't think there's ONE RIGHT WAY for every baby or family... and that's what the actual research shows. All paths of sleep training/help work with about the same success rate.

lanie30 · February 2012

EllaHella:
tokenhoser:

If everyone that reads you post, including those who mostly agree with you, "misses your point" perhaps it's time to admit you didn't make the point you were aiming for.

I've read a lot of perspectives on babies and on sleep. I found Ferber at least had something useful to offer, while Sears didn't. Pantley was pretty good, too, and much more resonable than Sears. I don't think there's ONE RIGHT WAY for every baby or family... and that's what the actual research shows. All paths of sleep training/help work with about the same success rate.

And isn't that a key aspect of AP? Doing what works best for your family and what works best for your child's personality?

Well unless you follow Hitler or Scott Peterson's guide to raising nifty kids.

boogerbearoriginal · February 2012

lanie30:
EllaHella:
tokenhoser:

If everyone that reads you post, including those who mostly agree with you, "misses your point" perhaps it's time to admit you didn't make the point you were aiming for.

I've read a lot of perspectives on babies and on sleep. I found Ferber at least had something useful to offer, while Sears didn't. Pantley was pretty good, too, and much more resonable than Sears. I don't think there's ONE RIGHT WAY for every baby or family... and that's what the actual research shows. All paths of sleep training/help work with about the same success rate.

And isn't that a key aspect of AP? Doing what works best for your family and what works best for your child's personality?

Well unless you follow Hitler or Scott Peterson's guide to raising nifty kids.

LOL! I bet those would be instant best sellers.

schmoodle · February 2012

tokenhoser:

This entire post was making my eyeballs bleed until this perfect graph. Thank you!

webMistress0609 · February 2012

tokenhoser:
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I've read a lot of perspectives on babies and on sleep. I found Ferber at least had something useful to offer, while Sears didn't. Pantley was pretty good, too, and much more resonable than Sears. I don't think there's ONE RIGHT WAY for every baby or family... and that's what the actual research shows. All paths of sleep training/help work with about the same success rate.

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